Guild Wars 2

Not sure why I’m getting lots of lag in the personal story areas, but not in the rest of the game. Getting 17 fps.

Random.4691:

There is more then enough content (if they get their crap together and release it .. cough raids cough) to keep everyone busy without time gating the Elites. We have Raids, Guild Halls, New Maps (for all modes), Fractals, Legendaries, Adventures, Events, Masteries, and I’m sure I’ve missed a few. I don’t see how time gating the Elites is productive, how does it affect anyone if you do it as a Necro or a Reaper for example. If they wanted to do something for elites they should have done a quest line of some sort.

The bottom line is, it hurts nothing to have elites playable, the rest of the content is still the same regardless of which class/spec you are using. There is simply no need and all this has done is divide the community and ticked off a lot of players. This is suppose to be an exciting time for GW2 and instead they have managed to turn it into a witch hunt.

This is one of the most lucid and honest post in the entire thread.

Morfedel.4165:

Hexalot.8194:

Menadena.7482:

Morfedel.4165:

Menadena.7482:

Yargesh.4965:

Menadena.7482:

Morfedel.4165:

I am trying to recall a single MMORPG where an expansion handed out everything you expected to get with it up front, rather than making you earn it. I can’t think of a single one, and this sense of entitlement just truly baffles me.

Entitlement?

We were told what to expect. People planned for that and did the work asked of them. Whether you liked it or not we knew the upper boundary.

Then they changed it. Not us.

What? They did not change anything since they have not until now given a number.

They stated world completion was the max. Until the datamine of 170 most people were assuming 100 HPs would be a good number to guess at. When we saw the 170 (which again many did not believe) and the progression for a typical profession I realized I could not get everything right away but about 120 would give me a good starting build.

Can you source that? Because i don’t think they said that, I think assumptions were made. That being the case, if they DID change that, because I won’t swear they didn’t, I have the following thoughts on that:

1. It IS uncool to change the info this late in the game. So if they said different before now, then yeah, I agree it’s uncool.

2. However, sometimes changes have to be made, for whatever reason: health of the game, technical issues, other stuff. It’s highly unlikely they are changing things just to make things a pain in the rear for us.

Wanna know something? I kinda thought we would have our elites unlocked if we had done all the hps in the core world, and I would have preferred it that way, so I could use my elites fully at the very beginning of HoT. That being the case, though, I don’t consider this a bad thing.

My problem is the massive rage we are seeing here. The sheer levels of it is ridiculous. If someone said “I’m not happy with this,” I could understand, but people are just burn-the-building-down angry, and it’s flat out unreasonable.

I do not recall the URL offhand but anet specifically said we could run the new content with elites if we had world completion.

Yes that’s correct. But… that was also around the time they stated you needed an additional 65 HPs to unlock the new core spec system. So basically anybody with World Completion were home free when they eventually release the Elite specs. But when they changed it so that just leveling to 80 would give you enough Hero Points to unlock core traits & utilities with no need for the additional 65 points, the whole “World Completion will unlock everything including elite specs” statement went out the window.

Unlock the elite spec, not entirely master it. I can unlock the elite spec and have it half mastered soon as I log in with my main. Unlocking it isn’t the same as getting everything in it.

I’ll pay 1 gold to the first person who can actually find a quote FROM ARENA NET that says that day 1 the elite spec could be entirely mastered.

1 gold doesn’t sound very confident. How about upping that to 1000g.

Hero point bundles available in the gem store.

You save up to buy your dream car. You buy it primarily because it has features that are much better than your current car. Three days before you receive your spanking new joy ride the manufacturer contacts you by email (well after the refund date has expired) and tells you that several of its best features (the most desirable ones) will only become available once you have driven it for 20K miles. I would totally understand why those customers were not happy with the manufacturer, or indeed the car.

I haven’t heard one good reason why we were only told 3 days before launch. This indicates that they knew it wouldn’t go down well and were happy to let people believe they would have access to elite spec on launch. Maybe they thought it would affect HoT sales, who knows. They could have mentioned this at any time before now but choose not to. I call skulduggery and shenanigans of the highest order.

I bet if the player had a option to fully unlock elite spec for 200 or 400 hero pts, 98% of people who say they don’t see a problem with it or actually prefer it at 400pt would pick the 200 pt option. End of story.

TheRandomGuy.7246:

Vague Memory.2817:

TheRandomGuy.7246:

That’s barely a grind IMO. You will get all hero points in a couple of hours of NEW area exploration.

I highly doubt it. If you played any of the BWEs you will need gliding and mushroom jumping to get around the map properly, and these will take a lot more than a couple of hours to achieve.

New personal story gives you quite a bit of exp. Just do first mission on all your characters and you will already have gliding, shroom jumping and probably even updraft in a couple of minutes.

Sorry, but that is false. I did the first part of the story mission and played over 8 hours doing events (when they were available) to get lvl 1 gliding and lvl 1 mushroom jumping. Leveling masteries took a long time in the BWE3 because not many things gave good exp.

TheRandomGuy.7246:

That’s barely a grind IMO. You will get all hero points in a couple of hours of NEW area exploration.

I highly doubt it. If you played any of the BWEs you will need gliding and mushroom jumping to get around the map properly, and these will take a lot more than a couple of hours to achieve.

So the elite spec has been gated (even more), but the real question is are the new hero challenges going to be gated behind certain masteries. I doubt they are going to line all these hero points up on the yellow brick road in the first area. Likely a lot of these will require different levels of gliding and mushroom jumping, and god knows what else.

gavyne.6847:

Imagine if this info was given before HoT pre-orders started, how much less money you would’ve made. Well played Anet, giving the info people have been asking for 3 days before launch. You’ve soured my mood going into the expansion, and that’s not easily done.

I have 11 characters that I was excited about playing and using elite specs on them. Now there’s no way I’m going to grind PvE for all of these characters, what a waste. If there was some sort of account-wide unlock, where I do a small quest line for, I would’ve been fine with it. But expecting me to grind for each character, that’s just unacceptable and very not-GW2 like.

I’m disappointed Colin, and right now I should feel excited about the expansion, but this news 3 days before launch have soured my mood.

I have to agree, this smells very fishy. Three days before launch and they lay this on us, after they maxed out HoT sales.

Mightybird.6034:

lorddarkflare.9186:

This is not grind…this is playing content to unlock the class.

Had Arena Net decided to gate these behind the personal story, it would have been effectively the same thing. Gating access behind content.

This…this is the most normal thing in the world.

Get to level 80, then play the expansion to unlock the class.

Right? I feel like people have become so entitled they don’t want a game anymore. They just want to hit character create and have everything in the game maxed out for them and done.

That is so condescending. I don’t call map completion, all skill point challenges in Tyria, and buying HoT in the first place entitlement.

Who thought it was a good idea to add 200pts more than required for all 3 beta weekends to unlock the elite. This is dumb. Even with map completion and all skill point challenges in Tyria done, I’ll be 197 pts shy of a full elite unlock. You guys had it right in the first place and now you spoilt it for no good reason. We already have masteries to keep us in HoT areas, why do people need even more annoying incentive.

400 pts to unlock elite is outrageous. A bit sneaky too, as for all 3 beta weekends I had points left over after unlocking the elite, but now 3 days before launch they slap a few hundred more on. I have map completion and all skill point challenges in Tyria done too on my main, and I’ll now be short by 193pts. I think a lot of people are going to be ticked off they can’t play their elite properly when HoT launches. I know I am. What is the point of this?

People need to read the blog again. WvW xp potion are changing to stop people gaining huge amounts of hero points in the new system when HoT goes live. This has nothing to do with PvP at all. Much fuss about absolutely nothing.

Why would PvP potions be affected? The system for gaining hero points through WvW is the reason why WvW xp potions are going to be replaced. No such system has been proposed for PvP so far.

Playing Mes I don’t find good Necros easy to fight. You have to fight ranged, but it takes a long time to take to wear one down due to shroud’s health and 50% damage reduction tankiness. Also keeping ranged with mobility inhibitor conditions on you and a necro with +25% speed signet is pretty tough. It is doable but you can’t screw up your positioning. Running a power mes I sometimes find that by the time I almost kill a necro one of his buddies turn up because it is fairly drawn out fight.

Adding the trapper rune to PvP doesn’t seem sensible. Melee rangers are already hard to pin down due to leap speed, evasion speed and Quickening Zephyr (6 sec superspeed).

Adding trappers:

When you use a trap skill, you gain 3 seconds of super speed and 3 seconds of Stealth when using a trap skill.

A bit over the top, and a real balance issue as the rune currently stands. In general this obviously adds a significant advantage to all trap classes.

I’m guessing you guys already have the extensive patch/changes notes made. Would it be possible to post this before Friday, so we can read it in advance rather than on the day? I imagine this list is very very long.

It’s been a long time since I levelled a character without tomes. But from what I remember they were level gated so you had to gain a few levels from doing other stuff (hearts and events) before you could continue it. In the HoT personal story we are already lvl 80 gaining progression horizontally through masteries, so does that mean we can go right through our personal story without pause? Or maybe we have to gain certain masteries first.

Yeah a health indicator seems a little redundant, but what I would like to see is an indication of whether how many of my illusions are clones or phants. In the hectic arena of PvP that would be useful.

The professions will be the same, you’ll just get to change out one of your normal specs for an elite one. However from what I saw in the beta weekends the elite specs do offer an advantage over the normal specs, so I doubt many people who have HoT and are lvl 80 will be running normal spec professions.

After playing BWE3 gliding is a must have first, I then did mushroom bouncing, but I found that most of the mushrooms bounce you into a crowd of veteran mobs or those instant kill shrooms with not much else of interest. I think I’ll level up gliding a few levels first and then do shrooms.

Mobility? In combat and out of combat is pretty bad compared to almost every other class.

This is just an idea. I’ve read a lot of people say Legendaries weapons are not very legendary. You can change stats and you get a nice skin. But something seems to be missing to me. Like a unique skill (slot) that is useful but not OP (a bit like most of the elite skills). I think it would add more flavour to them. If you have several equipped legendaries you can choose 1 skill from among them for the slot. Btw I don’t actually have any, but it would make me more likely to want one.

Not is it only a lot of XP, but I spent most of BWE3 in Verdant Brink and the XP gain was terrible. Forget about killing mobs for xp because the amounts rewarded were tiny. Events were the only way to get enough xp to make the mastery bar visibly move, however most of the events were at night, and they run out. It did feel very grindy, and most of the jungle is gated off until you level certain masteries.

Hopefully the full map won’t give that feeling like you are doing the same things over and over again. It did make me think that xp boosters won’t help much because the gains are so small, you wouldn’t notice the difference.

The OP should gives reason why he/she thinks this. I play a lot of PvP and when I look at my combat logs the highest burst damage classes are burn Guards, Warrs, burn Engi, and Necros. I don’t have any problems with almost instant burst downs from 21K from other Mes. Also Mes have received a disproportionate amount of nerfs already. Any more would revert Mes back to pre-patch levels.

Gear inspection is like nuclear power, is potential for good is only exceeded by its potential for ill use.

Skyhammer: An enemy combatant was coming around a blind corner (where I was waiting for him) and I used my knockback skill as he just passed me on the lip of the structure. I knocked him off into the air horizontally for quite a large distance where he hovered with an arm flapping animation, before plummeting for ages to his demise. It was hilarious.

I’m going to run across the meadows at +25% speed without using traveller runes.

The knockback effect is very useful in PvP, so it would be nice to for it to work consistently. The only thing is your opponent seems to recover from it more quickly than from a launch or a knockdown, so adding a knockdown onto it would be good too.

Yes IW bugs out in its knock back effect sometimes. Not sure the exact reason why, but someone posted in the Mes forum fairly recently that they tested it and believed it was due to the cripple applied by imagined burden. I think it would be a good idea (if the OP hasn’t already) to post this video in the bug section, and hopefully this will expedite a fix for it.

Fay.2357:

Vague Memory.2817:

I don’t find boon stripping very effective on Mes. Most people run with multiple boons, and stripping 1 boon for 1 shatter doesn’t do much. Nor 1 boon strip at the end of your slow sword AA chain. Now if it were boon removed per illusion shattered that would be different. Then you have Arcane thievery, when it works.

Wish granted! Shattered concentration now strips 1 boon per clone!

You can thank me later.

I thought shattered concentration was per shatter as it says in its description?

I don’t find boon stripping very effective on Mes. Most people run with multiple boons, and stripping 1 boon for 1 shatter doesn’t do much. Nor 1 boon strip at the end of your slow sword AA chain. Now if it were boon removed per illusion shattered that would be different. Then you have Arcane thievery, when it works.

I found chrono played better without wells for PvP. Unless you are in a premade the support abilities are wasted. I would only ever use 1 well at a time, and that would Gravity or Calamity, and that was until the novelty wore off.

Does match making deliberately try to keep you at a 50% win ratio, because every time I approach 50% I start losing multiple games in a row, and start getting teams of 1-3 people that are under lvl 80.

They didn’t say how much they increased the drop rate or indeed what the drop rate was to start with. I think I got 2 open world key drops in 3 years, and zero from the last month. I get ascended drops far more often than keys, so I’m guessing key drop rate before the change were several magnitudes lower chance, and is still lower after the change.

Donari.5237:

/joins Inculpatus in leading Vague Memory to http://heartofthorns.guildwars2.com/en-gb/ and making lip-smacking mm-mm thirst quenching sounds.

I shan’t make “troll” noises because your post history is one of thoughtful contributions to threads, but you do seem hell-bent on this particular quibble.

I was just pointing out that it is odd. Hell-bent is pretty much overstating it. People agree or disagree, but most of the posts in the thread seem to think that I was saying there has been no hype for HoT at all (which is ridiculous), when I was talking about the announcement of HoT.

Example when Microsoft release a new Xbox (i.e. HoT) it is hyped long before it comes out, but when they are a week away from launch they don’t announce they are giving away free xbox coffee mugs (i.e. the halloween event) on the same day and not mention the new Xbox (i.e. HoT) at all. So I found that odd, maybe indicating a possible a delay. It isn’t rocket science really.

Lome.8239:

Vague Memory.2817:

but haven’t started hyping HoT yet (an expansion).

Uhhhh

It is never clever to take a part of a sentence out of context and present it by itself, especially when the rest of the sentence would void your comment.

Donari.5237:

Well, um, take a look at https://www.guildwars2.com/en/ — two of the three slideshow pics at the top are about HoT, and have been for some time.

Or perhaps you need to tell us how narrowly you are defining “announcement” and what time period you feel this “announcement” needs to be posted in so as to satisfy you that they have told us there is an expansion and when it will release.

…ABC. You can’t just lead a horse to water, you have to teach it how to drink:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/halloween-is-coming/

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

I guess the OP is referring to the Event Page update, and stating that HoT didn’t get one. HoT does have its own page (which is has much more information, detail, links, etc.); one can find it here: http://heartofthorns.guildwars2.com/en-gb/

Good luck.

Yes this is what I meant. But as usual some can’t read. You have to spell things out abc. The fact I’m talking about the Halloween announcement and the absence of an announcement for HoT that starts on the same day seem to be beyond some people’s abilities.

Donari.5237:

You’re right. Nine months of blogs, livestreams, cinematics, con appearances, forum discussions of elite specs, and betas has done nothing to promote the expansion.

Promotion of the expansion and promotion of the launch of the expansion is not the same thing, obviously.

Hmm…you could promote both since they are on the same day. Rather than exclude the main event for a side show..

I don’t know it seems weird to me that you would promote an event over an expansion that has been hyped for most of the year.

Will Hot be ready for the 23rd Oct?

https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/637278666070757381

It’s a bit odd they just have announced the Halloween celebratory event which is also on the 23rd Oct, but haven’t started hyping HoT yet (an expansion).

Something is definitely missing from the combat log. If you add up the damage in the combat log it rarely adds up to the amount required to down you. If you have 21K health, you should take 21K damage to down you, but this isn’t usually reflected in the log.

So the match ready box appears and it locks you out from doing anything, you click accept and you are still locked out until everyone accepts.

First off I don’t remember seeing this change mentioned in previous patch notes. Is this supposed to happen?

Second, presuming that it is intended, I can understand why the lock out occurs until you accept but why lock you out until everyone accepts?

This is particularly annoying when not everyone accepts and you have to wait until it times out, and this can happen several times in a row. During this time you cannot access anything else.

uhohhotdog.3598:

Vague Memory.2817:

Oh my. Other MMOs don’t try and control player driven markets for good reason. Because once you enter that spider’s web you just create more problems than you solve. The only way markets work properly is if you allow them to find their own equilibrium. Over regulation kills markets. Creating scarcity sounds like players end up with the short end of the stick and creates more grind.

Actually they do. When I played WoW they constantly tinkered with drop rates and material requirements for crafted items

Well most other MMOs I’ve played (never played WoW) only changed drop rates because people complained some things were too rare or/and to increase how much money they make from paid for chance loot boxes. Too my knowledge none of them have said they deliberately try to manipulate player driven markets on normal drops or mats (i.e. things that do not come out of cash chance loot boxes).

One would naturally suspect that manipulation of a player driven economy for mats can only be for the benefit of the company. In this case, given Anet’s past decisions to directly reduce the amount of gold in the economy by reducing money from champ bags, chests, and monster kills that they are manipulating the market for their own ends only. I mean seriously, why would you reduce the number of salvage mats when you know demand is going to go up because some of the same mats needed for ascended crafting will also be needed in the new precursor crafting system.

Oh my. Other MMOs don’t try and control player driven markets for good reason. Because once you enter that spider’s web you just create more problems than you solve. The only way markets work properly is if you allow them to find their own equilibrium. Over regulation kills markets. Creating scarcity sounds like players end up with the short end of the stick and creates more grind.

If the range finder is showing green you should be able to teleport to that location. At the moment it shows green even when you can’t teleport somewhere. This is especially annoying in PvP when you blink to get range on a fast moving heavy hitting class (like warrior or guard), only for it to fail and you end up downed when you could have turned the fight around. Also although I haven’t test it, from my experience it seems as though at certain distances and angles it also causes failure despite no apparent obstructions.