Guild Wars 2

Neko.9021:

For sPvP, Ele is actually in a pretty good spot, in terms of tiers and power level!

Double dagger Celestial Ele is very strong and is either Meta or very near meta. You run 6 Arcana for Renewing Stamina, Elemental Attunement, and Evasive Arcana. You then take 6 in Water to ger MASSIVE AoE heals, and take Cantrip Mastery/Soothing Wave, Cleansing Wave, and Cleansing Water. Take 2 in Earth for Elemental Shielding. Celestial+Strength Rune+Battle Sigil+Doom Sigil. High team support with lots of boons, cleanses, healing, and might stacking.

Staff Ele can be run as a sort of pseudo-healer character. You play with a very similae trait array as the D/D Celestial build, taking Earth’s Embrace and Blasting Staff instead. Cleric’s amulet makes your heals massive, and the precious Water fields you put down can be coordinated to further sustain. You have great AoE CC. Take Energy Sigil and Renewal Sigil. Runes can be Monk, Dwayna, or Water.

Scepter is generally run as a Fresh Air burst build. Look up Zoose’s S/F guide on youtube. You basically take 30 in Air for Fresh Air and 30 Arcana for lots of attunement swapping and Evasive Arcana.

The thing about Ele, however, as you might notice from these builds, is that their PvP builds are generally:
-30 in Arcana taking Elemental Attunement and Evasive Arcana
-At least 2 Cantrips

Mind you, most classes have trait lines that they’re stuck to in any game mode, so this isn’t a problem unique to the Ele. However, the Ele is indeed quite viable in sPvP, and very strong for its ability to play:
-A burst DPS class (Scepter Zerker Fresh Air)
-A healer (Cleric’s Staff)
-A sustained jack-of-all-trades (Celestial Daggers)

Honestly, the Ele is in a good place in the meta right now.

u r wrong about these

scepter eles are terrible in wvw

scepter eles in s/tpvp are mostly bursty spec, like , u kill enemys in 1 sec, but its difficult for new players to set up these combos

and u basically die in 1-2 hits w scepter

but its fun seeing enemys going down in 1 sec then complain about it in chat, so i play w scepter/dagger

LordByron.8369:

Mbelch.9028:

Without being drawn into /any/ arguments, I can confidently say I’d like to see the following balance for elementalists and the game that they are in:

*Nerf to strength runes

already done

*Nerf to celestial gear

already done

*Changes to the way churning earth fires off; it should be manual and scaled by how long you charge the skill for

would still be useless

Ele is in a pretty great place right now thanks to the last patch. I’d just like to see some of the things that make the skill floor so low disappear.

Pvp is not the only game mode.
I still have to see anything but thief, warrior and PU mesmer viable for WWW roaming. and no ELE is not viable…. You can roam even with a PVT necro obviously but that doesn t change the huge efficience disparity with other professions.

Last ferocity nerf and boon runes nerf was a big hit to a profession already struggling.

WWW has only staff eles in zergs (slightly OP but the lag balance them making them totally unplayable in bigger fights).

In PvE, ele gameplay is a joke based on stacking traits.
Its efficient but it actually promotes the opposite off what an ele should do…. (sit in fire and 5121212151212121 etc or conjure a hammer and 1111111 other weapons exists for stacking might ooc -.-).

pvp “balance” damaged GW2 since release i don t want to see any more PvP nerfs ruining other gamemodes.

GW2 won t be an esport….if they want to balance pvp just split pvp skills.

what r u talking about, roaming as elementalist is perfect, condi d/x and celestial + own preference mix meta d/d works awesome for roaming.

Eggman.1405:

Carpboy.7145:

You mean when you press the #2 downed skill? (Vapor form) if so thats normal

No, when you get back up from being downed all the 0 – 9 skill slots are empty just like if you have nothing slotted there at all. Then after 1 – 2 seconds they pop back up. Usually this means I’m downed for a second time since I can’t trigger the slotted healing skill.

u r invulnerable for 2 s after u r up during vapor form tho, i love using it like that

if mesmer has prepaired portal, mesmer wins, pls nerf!

Otaur.9268:

If you use Guard + Jaguar Stalk, you can almost have a perma stealthing pet! Lol

its something!

u checked sizers build? its pretty much the meta w sw/d, shortbow

Grevender.9235:

Zelyhn Lekovitch.2867:

And also to tone down our mobility!

Bugfix: if RTL hits a target in dodge/aegis then it properly goes on quadruple cooldown.
New: Lightning flash damages you if you do not hit a target.
New: burning speed now goes backward.

New: your healing skills now properly heals your foe instead of you
New: attunements will now trigger randomly
New: summoned elementals AI and speed slightly reduced* for balance purposes and will atk u instead of ur foe

s/d burst ele, always fun to watch ppl going down in 1 sec and write in chat ’ WTF’

topic /15charrrrr

Neko.9021:

Wyrden.4713:

i cant burn enemys no longer in my focus firewall w tornado anymore due to that field!

Lay the fire field first, then use Tornado (which uhhh… you’d have to do anyway). The first field down takes precedence.

doesnt always work, but we gonna see

u know when u put icefield, then a fire field on the ice field, sometimes u get might over frost aura

not sure if bug

i cant burn enemys no longer in my focus firewall w tornado anymore due to that field!

stuns cant be cleanseed, immob can

immob doesnt let u use skills if u get immobed during a jump in my experience, usually fine

LightningBlaze.4913:

Zelyhn Lekovitch.2867:

What’s wrong with lightning touch? :o

I think it is sufficient to say that when playing dagger main hand it is best to use another air auto attack than to cast this skill…

its nice weakness tho, i use it right when i am about to change attunements for a whole 6 s weakness on enemy

why do u feel so bound to take condi removal, ofc condi removal is nice and awesome, but builds without condi remove exist as well, u r not bound to take cleansing ire /bow

a lot of builds dont have condi removal in pvp.

Gorni.1764:

Rym.1469:

Magnetic Shield… Just sayin….

and the other 25 seconds? One rapid fire without magnetic aura available and ele is dead

rangers have always been strong against eles

seems fair, i always felt as if i am doing terribad against rangers as ele

against any kind of real experienced ranger

Arcades.4689:

1)axe is a bad stan alone weapon. No utility, just high auto attack damage. It’s only used thanks to sigil of intelligence (no war ran with axe pre 15th april).

2)how can you be in top 200 and not know that lb is mandatory for war thanks to the condition removal? warrior has no active con removal apart from cleansing ire and signet of stamina.
I’m rank 44, and i’ve never, ever, ever saw a mace/gs war in pvp. EVER.
You have to sacrifice a lot of armor and hp, condition cleansing and utilities just to land a skill with less dps than guardian’s gs 2 and 3+1/2 secs of channel time.
Also, I can kill gs warriors easily with a power ranger (and I’ve played no more than 70 matches with this class), and have you ever saw a gs war in a ToL match? I haven’t. Power ranger is more represented than gs warrior!

3)warrior’s gs mobility < ranger’s gs mobility. But you can nerf that kitten mobility if you really want, it’s only useful for running around the map in pve.

seen a lot

and did u know? it doesnt have to be mace

bullscharge works as well, or pindown, or sword f1, switch weap, 100 b

there are a lot of ways to land 100 b

setting up a 100 b is the same as trying to hit enemy w a dragonstooth as ele.

nicknamenick.2437:

BrunoBRS.5178:

nicknamenick.2437:

We will see, and for the record, i dont complain about rangers.
I complain about warrior GS, the weapon could really need some fix/buffs. rush is nice for running but the skill sucks at hitting.. make it a 900 leap or something..
100b (what i ALREADY where saying in this topic) you can remove some damage from 100b in return we get a mobile 100b.. so we dont NEED other weapons for a 100b (maby new 50b) so even GS becomes good in pvp.

nicknamenick.2437:

warrior GS, the weapon could really need some fix/buffs.

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/21100000/lolige-the-word-lol-21172012-258-196.jpg

You only post some words from my post…

Ugh, whatever… this community is very bad @ GW2
People can only flame at this forum and say they know the best and call the rest noobs..

hey i gave valid reasons why 100 b should stay the same!

Kain Francois.4328:

Will Ricochet changes REALLY make a difference? 3s might is nothing…

thought its 5 s, and if it bounces 3 times, or does it bounce twice?

3-4 might /one usage

it could maybe, not sure, make celestial rangers viable by mightstacking w it then lb 2right away, condi on axe, burst on longbow

sic em will wreck thiefs and mesmers

engineer gets smth like that as well

its nice to see getting anti stealth stuff

NinjaEd.3946:

Curunen.8729:

Lol at warrior complaining about ranger buffs.

Is there something louder than lol that’s appropriate to post? I might cry XD

lm(f)ao ? !

nicknamenick.2437:

Wyrden.4713:

o cmon pls, i dont play ranger but this thread is silly (i do plan on lvling a ranger tho, gs ftw!)

first u say u r stuck on gs for 2 yrs, well, then u state u dont wanna leave gs now

u as warrior complain about ranger getting rapid fire buff, so , rifle skill 3 is like that no?(may be bit worse, but it still got killshot, now dont go saying rifle sux for war, cause from what i heard, longbow sux for ranger as well)

100 b hits waaaaaay harder than rapid fire

meh had further stuff to point out but forgot em all, too sleepy i guess, gonna edit if i remember em

ah and one nerf, one timed dodge evades now most of rapid shots hits, ever thought about that?

100 b cleaves rapid shot pierces ONLY if traited, and u would be sacrificing stuff, like spotter or the new gm trait or the other modified gm trait

gs on warrior doesnt have crap dmg in meele like longbow does

We will see, and for the record, i dont complain about rangers.
I complain about warrior GS, the weapon could really need some fix/buffs. rush is nice for running but the skill sucks at hitting.. make it a 900 leap or something..
100b (what i ALREADY where saying in this topic) you can remove some damage from 100b in return we get a mobile 100b.. so we dont NEED other weapons for a 100b (maby new 50b) so even GS becomes good in pvp.

ppl who use gs in pvp always have tools to make the 100 b land, like bullscharge, throw bolas, sword f1, mace f1, etc

100 b is fine as it is

rush hits as often as ride the lightning does

sry, but making 100 b mobile is not a good idea from every view of the game

and those r both different proffessions, pls dont try to make em all the same/comparing them

Mnemesis.8257:

Wyrden.4713:

turret engis got nerfed, thats smth good!

overall , engi got buffed besides turret engi, wich is awesome! i dont play engi but happy for u ppl!

I have to disagree here. It’s not that turrets have been nerfed, it is more accurate to say that a trait useless in every aspect of the game other than the poorly constructed PvP ambients has effectively been made even more useless than before. What irks me about this situation is that rather th@n using this as an opportunity to reconstruct this trait into an ability that has some actual merit, someone took the easy road and modified a few numbers instead to bandage an extremely niche oriented problem. This is taking the community back to the previous situation where skills like turrets were being altered without current viability and functionality being fully assessed.

well i am a pvp/wvw roamer so its awesome for me i guess

turret engi knockback was always driving me crazy

if chill would affect them, they would be hilariously easy to defeat

chill as in, making iniative regen lower, thats what u meant right?

warrior doesnt loose his adrenaline either when getting interrupted either

ik how u feel, it can be annoying, but changing something like that could be a possibly huge nerf

turret engis got nerfed, thats smth good!

overall , engi got buffed besides turret engi, wich is awesome! i dont play engi but happy for u ppl!

o cmon pls, i dont play ranger but this thread is silly (i do plan on lvling a ranger tho, gs ftw!)

first u say u r stuck on gs for 2 yrs, well, then u state u dont wanna leave gs now

u as warrior complain about ranger getting rapid fire buff, so , rifle skill 3 is like that no?(may be bit worse, but it still got killshot, now dont go saying rifle sux for war, cause from what i heard, longbow sux for ranger as well)

100 b hits waaaaaay harder than rapid fire

meh had further stuff to point out but forgot em all, too sleepy i guess, gonna edit if i remember em

ah and one nerf, one timed dodge evades now most of rapid shots hits, ever thought about that?

100 b cleaves rapid shot pierces ONLY if traited, and u would be sacrificing stuff, like spotter or the new gm trait or the other modified gm trait

gs on warrior doesnt have crap dmg in meele like longbow does

u can take arcan power, the 5 crits arcana, use earth auto atk, few times to stak immob, or whatever u want, then switch to fire to land dt and phoenix

i would take signet of earth tbh, for arcan surge u need to be in eart attunement, u dont have heal when attuning to water

made me start lvling ranger, in 2 months i should have enuf skillpts to unlock all traits!

ye, neverthless i love it.

so i am a fan of underwater combat, but there is one problem

the blast finisher of arcan wave doesnt work 90% of the time underwater

someone knows how to fix / reason why it doesnt / ways to use it properly?

using it mainly for earth 5 for smoke field , currently i am bound to use either water 5 , water 3, or arcan brilliance through it(underwater still)

SaintSnow.6593:

Wyrden.4713:

woa i totally hate ppl like u

u may not have meant it but writing omg in caps then commanding him to do something, its just one of those situations i dont feel like doing anything that guy says further

Did you even read the post before typing? There was no omg in caps.

o well was sleepy, was looking as if it was in caps, my bad!

i always loved underwater combat and still love, idk the reason u removed the map from the game, it was fine in hotjoins

was playing around in water w friends all the time etc

ppl who have underwater legendarys did love it as well for sure! (i am not one of those tho )

ofc it may be unbalanced , but it was just in hotjoin, i dont think it did bother anyone

are there plans to add this map back to hotjoin? i would appreciate it!

i rly love underwater combat.

Loki.2894:

Wyrden.4713:

about sword, most dont use cause sword 3 is unreliable as hell and sword auto atk… well u r too squishy to actually try and meele ur enemy

staff offers great survivablity by chaos armour, phace retreat , chaos storm

about save stomps, u can stealth stomp , portal stomp, phace retreat+ blink stomp, f4 shatter stomp , chaos storm stomp (hope ur enemy gets blind or u get aegis on chaos storm)

totally forgot about distortion! its the only shatter i never use :P Distortion also gives me immunity to cc while its active?

yep

about sword, most dont use cause sword 3 is unreliable as hell and sword auto atk… well u r too squishy to actually try and meele ur enemy

staff offers great survivablity by chaos armour, phace retreat , chaos storm

about save stomps, u can stealth stomp , portal stomp, phace retreat+ blink stomp, f4 shatter stomp , chaos storm stomp (hope ur enemy gets blind or u get aegis on chaos storm)

Decrypter.1785:

EWWWW dat skill bar lol , nice selfie tho must learn ele moar son ty

his skillbar is fine actually lol, he should take tornado instead glyph in skyhmmaer tho!

could we get the info of when u gonna do wich proffessions? like.. wich 2 proffession will be next time after ranger and engineer

woa i totally hate ppl like u

u may not have meant it but writing omg in caps then commanding him to do something, its just one of those situations i dont feel like doing anything that guy says further

Tribio.8531:

The rank restriction would imply that r20’s will be frowned upon in S/T PvP, since they will be considered newbies..
There is not much to learn in HotJoin, so they’d be glory farming to get to r20 and then head in S/T PvP, thinking they are “good” at that point..

still better than someone whos totally new to game, thinking spvp is hotjoin

the lvl 80 restriction is bad, rank 20 restriction is good

mesmer and thiefs r totally balanced, hell mesmer is even in a bad spot atm, they r food for my ele

thieves… ppl just cant counter them, dont waste ur cd when they r evading, try to time ur skill so u manage ur skills exactly at end of their dodge animation

small hint: try out mesmer and thief (not in spvp pls, in hotjoin) and learn their skills, know how to counter them

ofc now ppl gonna say ’u cant counter stealth ’ well, the game is about contest, if a thief permastealths he cant cap points. about s/d thief, time ur burst

wich proffession r u playing anyway?

yep, its a bursty spec

s/f isnt rly meta, d/d is still meta, but if someone loves scepter thats the meta for scepter in pvp

cant agree with 2^

killing clones gonna kill himself

altho u need to kill iDuelist

u can as well go for diamond skin and go hulko smash on them , and after they die , they shout : ‘diamond skin op’

i do it pretty smooth , tbh the same w phace retreat is more difficult on mesmer than burning speed on ele

i wouldnt count mass invi as panic skill due to there beein a cast time,

not sure if srs buuuuut. u cant use 2 of same sigils in 1 swap

explain warrior one pls

it sounds pretty op, 10 s block?..

if it would be wvw i would say ignor them, jump around them for 2 min not atking them, then just walk away

in pvp, its no problem as long as they dont stealth, if they stealth u should be able to cap anyway, dont blast the area w too much aoe, d/d ele has a lot of cleansees(meta build) while ur teammates may not, so try to take more care

i personally play s/x ele so pretty much most of my skills is single target based and can totally forget about on clone death traits on mesmer

i barely play my necro, but when i do, always scepter/warhorn , staff

warhorn is in a perfect spot atm, i just think focus cast time needs to be reduced a little

cheese.4739:

Conjure Earth Shield: this could really help the weapon. Currently it’s not used anywhere at all ever. Even a stunbreak with a 1/2 second cast time could make it more useful.

One with Air: no, not at all. It would be completely broken for anyone running Fresh Air, giving 80% superspeed uptime.
The trait is terrible right now (though definitely more useful than it was before), but I think it needs a rework to something more like “move 25% faster while attuned to air” and hopefully letting it work under Lingering Elements. The Adept Minor would become completely obsolete for anyone running that trait… but it’s really not useful now anyway.

dont forget max speed is capped at 33%, it would be great against cripple tho, doesnt work on immob anyway, and on chill the mainproblem is the attunement recharge, not the movement

and to get 80% uptime u would need to cycle thro attunements rly fast missing a lot of important skills

and u would sacrifice bolt to heart or air training in a standard fresh air build

but ye even 2 s is fine actually

if someone says that would make earth shield op , no, the invulnerability of earth shield doesnt let u do anything besides beeing invulnerable, in mistform u can stomp /rez, in arcan shield u ckittene skills etc, in earth shield u r just invulnerable (skill 5)

so its pretty much situational , each skill.

and thx for the support!

Ansau.7326:

I think people has taken the iLeap nerf too much serious. For a lot of people it was the last straw from the last year of nothing but bugs and general nerf of the class, but we still have our strengths.
We’re still really strong in roaming; rangers, thiefs and engis would kill to have at least an essential skill like veil in zergs; and in PvE we still have our unique mechanics.

Yes, we’re not in a good position, but it’s also true ours is not such horrible as some people want to see.

tried sword today when roaming, it was terribad, like, sword 3 connected just 30% of the time, it died all the time to aoes, or just leaped away from enemy instead leaping to him.

no more sword for me. i just regret wasting gold for jormags breath skin