Guild Wars 2

i think i like the dagger offhand, it has an evade, wich is pretty long , i mean u cast it, it takes 0.5 s to hit, then u got 0.5 s extra evade

and poison is always nice

anyway getting the pets gonna be a pain:(

i like birds and the ones that can find envivonmental stuff

thanks for the replys!

about pets now

is there a way to stow a pet so it doesnt appear during combat? there are moments i would like to be without the help of pet and without it around at all, may sound strange when playing ranger

and is there a way to get pets without charming them? i would need to have a whole bunch of areas explored if not..

so i am currently lvling my ranger

one question tho, i wanna do a power build (for wvw roaming)

i would like to use greatsword / sword /x or gs/lb

i would much prefer gs/sw /x

but i dont like offhand axe, if sword is possible in a power roaming build, wich offhands besides axe would work quite ok?

why does no1 recommend to use full zerker ele to a new player for dungeons and fractals right away?

it is to get used to the class first, and slowly try harder stuff…

and Lawyrda is my ele, wich i recently had at lvl 80 like months ago, and only played that in na.

pls check both worlds when trying to harass someone of someone s rank, its not even hard beeing in top 500…

i was in na for 1 week

i dont s/tpvp anymore, but was pretty much in rank 200ish…

pls check eu leaderboards to see that i am still above 95% even tho not pvping for a month alrdy.

pretty much that^

but worst is, 90% of ppl mean its impossible even 3 manning.. they r like: WE GOTTA ZERG THIS ELSE ITS IMPOSSIBLE’ its pretty annoying

fay told most of the good points ._.

pls, as someone who plays shatter mes, i find condi pu mesmers in middle of enemy team rly annoying.

i cant go on and burst someone down cause it would kill me either

when i tried condi pu few times, it worked wonders, easy to play, insanely rewarding, rly low risk

dont go on saying its not viable…

Fox.3562:

WOW there’s a lot of PU apologists in this thread. To be clear, NEVER use PU in solo queue or tPvP (nothing matters in hotjoin). You’re specing 6 points for a selfish defensive utility that has almost no use for your team.

PU brings nothing valuable to a team fight. The stealth helps you lose agro, which might be useful for the first 15 seconds of a match if the enemy decides to focus the mesmer, but once they realize you’re PU and offer zero counter pressure, they’ll just ignore you and kill all your friends instead. You can’t peel for your friends as PU condi mesmer because your burst damage is non-existent, so you’ll run around in circles spawning clones and auto attacking doing close to no damage while you lose the team fight. You also cannot chase people who are low because your mobility sucks.

1v1 is your absolute best case scenario as a PU mesmer, and your stealth is counter-productive in conquest. You’re certainly not going to be decapping any points as a condi PU mesmer since you have no way of knocking a person off point and you will only lose ticks on the point cap as you hide in stealth. Even assuming you will actually win the 1v1, it’s going to be a slow battle of attrition while you hide and stealth and let condis rack up. So 1+ minutes later you might decap the point and have contributed to your team, but then of course you’ll quickly lose control of it again once the enemy shows back up since one decoy worth of stealth is enough time for you to lose control. The game doesn’t need more cancerous decap engis, and mesmer does a bad job at it anyway.

I have played a ton of sPvP, and I have never been thankful to have a PU mesmer on my team.

To answer OP’s original question, thieves hate both hard and soft CC, and staff. Use chaotic interruption + halting strike with a staff and whatever other traits you want. Phase retreat + dodging can avoid most larcenous strikes a thief wants to go for. They would be stupid to stand in a chaos storm unless they want to get imob spammed and die to halting strikes, and if you imob them enough, they’ll eventually run out of escapes and either die or run away. It’s still hard to kill a thief that doesn’t want to die, but since it’s conquest we’re talking about, you can still “win” by capping the point while they run off. Chaotic interruption is also useful in a team fight when paired with mantra of distraction since you can imob people almost at will if your timing is good enough, and your team can beat down the target while you lock them down.

TL;DR: PU is garbage in sPvP and anyone who tells you otherwise doesn’t know what they’re talking about, period. Use chaotic interruption instead. It’s useful in a team fight and is strong against thieves.

i think u didnt even read half the comments here about pu condi

i wish pyro was here to explain stuff..

was first try, didnt rly know rotations well

it is easy, rly doable, an experienced mesmer could even solo it, its good to have a friend to rez u tho if u fail once or twice

anyway , u dont need so many ppl at pyroxis, 2 mesmers would be so totally fine

at the one w the eagles u just pop iSwordmans and wait can just wait once u got 3 up, when they got eagles on them, renew the iSwordmans, else they r perma blinded (u need to take phantasm hp signet and trait)

boomboom is solo able by warriors and necros

since i dont do crowns pav often i dont know if all are soloable etc

anyway, enjoy!

ahh now i seee

there are 2 different fays

it felt as if ur signature always changed and i kind of wondered

pyro plays condi pu in pvp. pyro only pvps i think

Zord.6130:

Wyrden.4713:

ehm, in teamfights at mostly middle points, if u got a condi pu mesmer there u literally wreck enemys. they cant atk u, then they wont able to wipe ur team.

Wow! I never thought about that! Sick advice, thank you, looks really hard and rewarding to pull off! And the stealth! Wow!

i smell sarcasm

ehm, in teamfights at mostly middle points, if u got a condi pu mesmer there u literally wreck enemys. they cant atk u, then they wont able to wipe ur team.

pu condition is pretty viable btw… i mean, cmon , mesmers dont rly have anything cheese besides that, warriors run hambow, thiefs perma evade (yes i am gonna be hated), guardian bunker is like totally difficult to kill, etc

pu condi is rly awesome in tpvp , its in my opinion a support spec, uu just spawn clones next to ur partners, and enemys cant allow themselves to aoe there, pu conditions r beasts in tpvp..

less chances for avoiding for enemys, if u manage leap in a shatter spec, ur enemy is mostly down anyway

the swap should work like the portal tho, unaffected by terrain. its terrain issues mostly to begin with

Veprovina.4876:

Why is this not a sticky yet? Awesome guide!

cause arenanet doesnt check mesmer forum anymore:p

Miku Lawrence.6329:

@Pyro banned – The retaliation thing? top lel.

Played the build in solo queue.

• It’s kittening great to win teamfights as long as Storm, Null field and Signet are up. Great to win teamfights when no Storm. Good when no signet.

• Worse than meta in 1vsX and 1vs1 is a waste of time/potential impact on the game.

• Almost exclusive defensive shatter gameplay

• You need to camp either Mid or Far point assault

/build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAsfWlknpUt1pxANcrNivBZ6GEgLeqLg6dcjhA-TJxHwADeCAn3fAwpAoYZAA

ur build doesnt have any stunbreak, i wont count staff 2 as a stunbreaker:p

Miku Lawrence.6329:

@Pyro banned – The retaliation thing? top lel.

Played the build in solo queue.

• It’s kittening great to win teamfights as long as Storm, Null field and Signet are up. Great to win teamfights when no Storm. Good when no signet.

• Worse than meta in 1vsX and 1vs1 is a waste of time/potential impact on the game.

• Almost exclusive defensive shatter gameplay

• You need to camp either Mid or Far point assault

/build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAsfWlknpUt1pxANcrNivBZ6GEgLeqLg6dcjhA-TJxHwADeCAn3fAwpAoYZAA

about the distortion thing, it wasnt immunity anymore, it got stealth ‘bugged’ (nerfed for sure) to evade only therefore shocking aura, static field, engi shield 5, line of warding, ele staff earth 4, etc still hit us, and retaliation either

the f 4 shatter

only to the set u currently have equipped

Bo Van Swill.7619:

So i am using this build and yes that is Sword/Pistol Scepter/Sword i know what your thinking but i really works.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhIQRArc8alknpTtFoxCNcrNiqBZ6TkifSyDEgS2htB-TFkBAB7pDAJlYXpM4ONCKcmCwTLAAHAhJeIAFfABySpAg7Poj6PbpkwMlgJYi5ENNBAQA+NbGbG4m38mZzSBQxyI-w

i use ur build with staff /sword/sword

Anton.1769:

Wyrden.4713:

wait if they nerf ph retreat+ blink stomps and portal stumps, they couldnt encourage us mesmers who roam more….

I know how portal stumps working, but what is “blink stump”?

when u stomp for example a guardian, use phace retreat to get barely out of his pushback, then blink back to him right before the stomp ends

sword/sword /staff

idk why but, it offers such both defensive and offensive capabilitys… i always find myself using that weaponset when trying new builds..

wow totally didnt realise that i made it to a 4/4/6 meta interrupt build o.O

vid up~ edited and forgot it doesnt bump the thread~

Jurica.1742:

I respect the fact that you are properly debating, argument to argument and not just insulting/ignoring like a lot of people do.

u refering to this one i guess:p

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Xontoss-mantra-build/page/3#post4079811

i modified the build pretty much as i was roaming, found this set up best for now

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW8clsnpMttpxRNcrNipxY6eiJHSGQDlMkxB-TlyHwABuIAg2f4tGBPq/wUJYPlZ+Ua4QHgXNBAeCAAA-w

i could have taken focus but, iWarden kept coming to my mind so i hesitated, u can swap the manipualtion range to sword skills cd thingy, its about 1 interrupt everytime u swap to sword, or 2 if u use right away and then before swapping out

anyway uploading a video of the fights i had in 2 hrs, arent rly many and may not be fun to watch, i just wanted to have it done and go back to my poke and run shatter build:p dont get me wrong, the build is fun to play , but its not rly relaxing as u need to watch ur enemy to land the interrupts, interrupt builds arent rly my thing in wvw

edit: and i was pretty clumsy, didnt upload half the fights i had cause i kept using shatter combos and ruining my phantasms and sustained dmg etc:(

edit 2 : video

ehm , the halving the base shtter dmg is an issue, its alrdy hard to lvl a mesmer in normal ways..

anyway, there is more to the dmg of shatters halfed, i play a boon shatter and once i am confident that the build wrorks properly i am gonna make a build thread, its using the new trait that gives boons on shatters, its normal basic shatter game play just more team supportive , so more for small scale roaming or maybe even support zerging? anyway, halving base shatter dmg is a bad idea.

ah and i cant afford to loose my energy sigils on weapons :p, they cost 12 g atm >.<

anyway gonna try to test out more and if possible, record it

keep in mind that mirror blade has to hit to spawn a clone, and my favourite trait is deceptive evasion:p

anyway i tried exactly this build in 2 outnumbered fights , had a blast with it

here is the build i tried, grenth runes work rly good with miror heal

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQJARWlsnpRtlpxNNcrNipxY6eiJHSGwBlMkxB-TVyHwABeEAg2fwj6PMVC2TZmPlGe1B4QTAgrAQAAEgNuxAAA-w

tried the build , without deceptive evasion its pretty underwhelming, gonna try with DE instead 20 in inspiration now

gears r pretty defensively build , try to get the videos asap, really curios of how its gonna work out

u dont have to face target in my experience, i manage to get it off while running away from ppl

wait if they nerf ph retreat+ blink stomps and portal stumps, they couldnt encourage us mesmers who roam more….

I may be understanding it wrong but didnt u say mesmer is bad if not pu builds?

About the vid, yes its showing off! , na jokes aside, yes the second part is just so that the vid is long enuf for the music to end:p, i dont record often yet , i plan to on future, anyway i meant that shatter mes is viable for roaming (reason why i posted the vid, for the first part only, ignore second part) even if u dont use pu, i probably have misunderstood u ye, just felt kind of offended when ppl see mesmers as no more than pu users

i think u should swap spie signet to some stunbreak or well of —-(the stunbreaking one and giving 1.5 s stab upon cast) , although i am not an experienced necro so cant say much

bigmonto.4215:

Ario.8964:

I have an 80 warrior and it has been alright as a class but not a very high skill cap and therefore is limited in its max potential. I have been beaten many times by Mesmer on almost every class so it seems like Mesmer is in a pretty good place. So my question is: should I delete my warrior and start over on a Mesmer?

Maybe if you increase your skill as a warrior, perhaps you won’t be beaten by a Mesmer.

Yes warrior has fewer button to press, but that doesn’t not make it less high of a skill cap. It just have a lower skill floor. And with certain build you can definitely kill most Mesmers easily.

Even if a Mesmer can kill a warrior easily (which is not the case) that doesn’t make it a good place. There is a reason why WvW and pve is full of warriors. They are actually great in all aspect of the game. Mesmer, other than that 1v1 PU, when are they really that good? Roaming? they have no mobility to speak of.

It is better to get another character slot than to delete a lvl 80 of any kind. It is $10? You get pay > $10 working with minimum wage job in less than 2 hours, do you lvl a 80 in 2 hours?

i am sorry sir but u seem to have the wrong idea of mesmer, mesmer is one of the awesome roamers, its just that pu has more room for mistakes, reason why ppl take pu nowaday, there r still some of us playing shatter

this is me, rly tired about to go sleep(reason i click some of the skills and reacting so slow to some stuff), playing shatter, wrecking as 2 man 4-6 ppl, cant count, some ppl joined the fight while some wped away…

anyway, mesmer is a rly nice roamer. regardless if pu or not.. just requires more skill to play a non pu

Benjamin.8237:

Wyrden.4713:

Benjamin.8237:

When they stealth run out of their range and normally they will just sort of appear with not much to do. Generally if a Shatter mesmer is taking stealth then they are new, as in teams stealth just takes away better utilities. Once they learn how to kite stealth isn’t needed that much tbh

not sure but i think u dindt play mesmer long enuf?

as gs / sword , torch user

i always unload my burst, decoy after for some distance / or after i killed someone and there r other ppl, stealth, kite away till recharged

or u stealth and suddenly shatter them to death 1 sec after u appear of stealth, pretty much thieflike, just more effects

Well actually I am very experienced with the Mesmer class having played it since launch and equally experienced with it in pvp. If I take a stealth I can’t contest points firstly, and it means I cannot take better utilities such as null field and portal (time warp) for my team. Blink for me is a must, therefore I don’t have room for something that gives me a tiny bit more survivability, when in all fairness I shouldn’t be getting stunned as with Staff Greatsword I can kite opponents away.

When your new, sure stealth is great, but in PvP try not to take it…look at meta thief builds…even they don’t utilize stealth much.

ah didnt notice he meant for pvp >.<

Carpboy.7145:

Darox.8069:

Carpboy.7145:

D/D is viable for spvp again. And actually reall good. It kittens on thieves especially

I get wrecked by good thieves though !

Wat. D/D has so much PBAoE its thieves worst nightmare

d/d eles should kind of mostly beat thiefs , maybe u arent using celestial amu?

or it could be that its bugged and the illusions proc it, there for it also applys bleeds from the dueling 3 minortrait

just a guess ~

if its so, see the fix coming in a hotfix, meanwhile our class breaking bugs ~

i regre tnot making a sylvari mesmer and i lack char slots to make a sylvari mesmer…

a pantasmal healer making aoe heal blasts for everyone would be awesome :0, like 1.5-3 k for everyone and 2-4 k ticks for u, every 5 sec, doesnt heal right away when summoned so enemys got time to react, it has hp equivalent to other phantasms etc

now that i think about it, it would be a great pve healskill but notihing for pvp…

KingZmaN.6473:

Wyrden.4713:

RedCobra.7693:

ill just leave this here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byXIn0YVqHE

some of them didnt even use their dodge ._.

Hey, that’s the beauty of the mantra build, people think they can easily win since they presume “you have no defense, and, you are clearly distinguished from your clones”, besides, maybe he was demonstrating the potency of his play style.

By the way, people replied to this topic requesting “proof” for the mantra build, and I’m noticing, that even after you have “proof” for the mantra build people still hate on the mantra build.

Just because most suck with a mantra build doesn’t mean everyone will suck with a mantra build, as, this being the truth in which I am resolute and in the various ways voice/defend in my replies.

most of the enemys in vid were utterly bad, i meant, they didnt ever dodge in the duel, the war w rifle for example, i think he didnt even use weapon swap…

Fray.3417:

Just give the iLeap clone the same animation and mechanics as Warrior’s Savage Leap (Sword 2) skill. Simple copy-pasta job.

Problem solved.

and make it work like portal as well so we can swap over uneven terrain / use in jumping puzzle

imo this is best fix idea for now

Benjamin.8237:

It’d be really simple to make it work the same as Thief Sword 2. First press summon a clone at your target that immobilizes them, second press you leap to the target striking them and applying vulnerability.

With this you would miss out on the 2 leap finishers and the conditions have been swapped, but this would make it far more reliable to use.

problem with this is, the leap is insanely strong and the main piece of shatter builds, there for it needs to be dodgeable by skilled players, cause in most cases if i hit a target with iLeap they r dead(wvw roaming)

Benjamin.8237:

When they stealth run out of their range and normally they will just sort of appear with not much to do. Generally if a Shatter mesmer is taking stealth then they are new, as in teams stealth just takes away better utilities. Once they learn how to kite stealth isn’t needed that much tbh

not sure but i think u dindt play mesmer long enuf?

as gs / sword , torch user

i always unload my burst, decoy after for some distance / or after i killed someone and there r other ppl, stealth, kite away till recharged

or u stealth and suddenly shatter them to death 1 sec after u appear of stealth, pretty much thieflike, just more effects