Guild Wars 2

EvilSardine.9635:

Dual.8953:

17k is a number I’ve heard attached to 100nades, but I’ve yet rarely heard with BS (like once against someone without armour rare).

Say again? This backstab was done to my warrior with 1500 toughness. I had full health, no conditions like vunerability, or anything. I was just standing outside of my keep watching a few people in the distance. I died in just two hits (C&D and BS).

Thieves, how can I “L2P” if I can’t see almost 20K in damage coming?

You were standing outside the keep. You were too busy watching those few people to scan the other 260 degrees for incoming enemies. Your fault for letting you guard down and standing out in the open.

what the hell is up with everyone and Japanese weaponry? Go play Age of Wushu.

Urrid.4593:

Answer: How fast can you flip a camp solo on a thief?

That is why I roam solo on a Mesmer.

Thief Condition builds can bleed the kitten out of everything pretty quickly. The most important thing is to hit it when the Supervisor has ~1min left on their invincibility timer.

Let me play you a sad song….

Throwing knives for thieves!

:D I wanna pretend I am Vamp!

mrmadhaze.8706:

rmBossa.4621:

Not “perma stealth” or invisible when you can see the fields on the ground.

This.
You can see smoke, the shadow refuge animation, red circles etc. And you need to invest traits and utilities for doing that (for a bettere init regen). There are a lot of “marks” that point to you where the thief is.
So basically people needs to learn to look.

But but but I can’t faceroll what I can’t see!

I am trying to work on a decent build that really abuses blinds. THE PROBLEM IS that most of our blind capabilities are tied to stealth via Cloaked in Shadow so I am a little bit irritated.

Even though it totally goes against the purpose of this thread, I will post this build when I am fully confident that it works. I can assure you though, its really heavy on blinds, has very tanky stats and will have plenty of initiative regen based upon the Infusion of Shadow and Patience trait.

Marduh.4603:

Tsubaki.8732:

So, what is the problem? You got to DO something every couple seconds to stay in stealth, and you need your skills/traits set up for it. It’s not as if you can just stay in stealth for minutes and still be attacking people (effectively) while doing so. As soon as you use initiative to attack people, you won’t have the initiative to keep stealthed. And, as people say all the time, a thief who keeps stealthing to troll people e.g. in WvW won’t bring many points to his server, he’s just an annoyance to solo roamers. I fail to see the problem.

Because counterplay. Thief with permastealths always beat all other thiefs with 7k+ backstab. He can always stand near your lord and point. Yes, you can stand up smokefield, but it is not the solution.

And good thieves beat 90% of the people that try to solo them.

Now I know how to be useless for 5 minutes straight. Thank you for that vid.

Zelulose.8695:

Zacchary.6183:

Hey guys you can get rid of blindness by hitting something!

And by time you do that the thief will have stealthed without any chance to use your skills on him.

And? That doesn’t disprove my point.

Hey guys you can get rid of blindness by hitting something! :D

Wolfheart.1938:

Zacchary.6183:

kokiman.2364:

Ranger – Staff     

Zacchary.6183:

Rifle for Thieves. We have the kittentiest range options in the game.

And you have the best gapclosers in the game.

We also melt.

Untill you stealth or teleport away.

But let’s not derail the thread shall we? What was it about? Oooh yeah, main hand shield for Guardians. Great suggestion Conncept.

Mesmers and eles can do that too.

On topic: Speaking of eles, I think swords would be appropriate for them as well. Think of them as an elemental knight when they wield a blade.

kokiman.2364:

Ranger – Staff     

Zacchary.6183:

Rifle for Thieves. We have the kittentiest range options in the game.

And you have the best gapclosers in the game.

We also melt.

Rifle for Thieves. We have the kittentiest range options in the game.

Dawdler.8521:

Bismuth.3165:

PS: Not everyone likes rainbows and unicorns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9auOCbH5Ns4

If you dont like it after watching that you are not human.

You are right. I’m a werewolf.

Travlane.5948:

Zacchary.6183:

naphack.9346:

Waiting for the guys with the greatsword fetish to drop their comment.

It isn’t a fetish more so than an addiction. If you understand how much power a Zweihander can deal out in real life, you’de be addicted too.

And yes I would like greatswords for my thief.

also unusable in real life :P i have a few swords….5160 spring steel that can be bent at a 90 degree angle and basically unbreakable. check it out www.zombietools.net have 2 from that and 1 expensive kitten katana. guns are more my thing tho. anyway babbling here.

i would LOOOOOOOVE to see more KDs like we had in gw1. entangling asp anyone? long range KD and poison for a long time! http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Entangling_Asp

They were wieldy but not unusable. The purpose is to destroy shields and snap weapons in half. The momentum from the 2h would cleave things in half otherwise. Like any weapon though it takes practice. I have tried using one. Although the one I use was made out of titanium and it was very light so momentum wasn’t as great. I still wish I had $1k so I could have gotten it. T~T

ZvolTx.3165:

“Shadow” sounds much better, it’s more to the point.

Updated it. Good suggestion.

AntiGw.9367:

Zacchary.6183:

What’s wrong with these?

Dear Lord, what the unholy f is that???

Orc shaman i think.

naphack.9346:

Waiting for the guys with the greatsword fetish to drop their comment.

It isn’t a fetish more so than an addiction. If you understand how much power a Zweihander can deal out in real life, you’de be addicted too.

And yes I would like greatswords for my thief.

What’s wrong with these?

Excalibur.9748:

no pigeon hole please.

There is no pigeonhole. Its just a name change. :P

Well its a good thing you decided to do so because now you have a better understanding of where the crying is coming from.

I propose that Thieves be changed to Shadow<something>, who use darkness to aid them in battle, so that when people kitten about stealth we can go:

Uuuh, Shadow<something> are suppose to stealth and blind you. Darkness magick? Hello?

Discuss.

On another note, skill names and tooltips could also be redone without changing the abilities themselves to make more sense. Keep that in mind when you read this.

LMAO!

There is this thing called “Dodging” and “Situational Awareness” which alot of you guys lack.

/facepalm

Must have it.

Congradulations Burnfall! At first I thought you just really hated thieves. Now I understand that you have some major L2P issues that you need to address so the next time I see a post of yours I can completely disregard it.

Oh gawd! I can’t kill every class! Nerf it anet!

I can’t make a Gabranth lookalike without being able to choose eyebrow color! Fix it anet!

I am abusing my 400 weaponsmithing now.

Charak.9761:

Evernessince.8035:

Yeah used to be a rogue in WoW and it seemed they hated us. Stealth was worthless, dps wasn’t the best, survivability was poor, and lock-picking was made irrelevant by the fact that a smith could just make a key that unlocked everything.

what, rogues has the best dps, you high?
youtube.com/maxwilso

Yeah that is complete bullkitten. I have a hunter on wow thats built for high single target DPS and I am always the top 5% when we fight bosses.

Zale.9645:

Generic negative comment!

Typical fanboy counter!

:D Best update ever!

1. Remove venoms and every trait for it.
2. Replace with more traps, tricks and signets as well as traits to augment them.

Food is a crutch.

Or you can all become better players.

/inB4judging
I don’t use stealth and I still kill the thieves that attack me.

Burnfall.9573:

folly dragon.4126:

Thief, from stealth confusion variant, multistack.

General – 3 second condition cleanser debuff.

You thieves will get whatever you Desire…..a.k.a Favoritie Class

Yes, we got every nerf we wanted…. oh wait.

On topic: Would definitely like venoms replaced with something else.

Renxian.6982:

Nick.6972:

Are people just bad or unwilling to learn to play better?

Yes

This.

Cry more because it obviously works…. or you could L2P.

Daendur.2357:

Nikkinella.8254:

Daendur.2357:

the cost i negligible … and no, you don’t have to put it down and wait for a thief to come … it’s a counter to d/p build, can be placed in combat using stability or after having bursted the thief.

It is a viable counter to a build that rely too much on stealth.
You don’t want to use it? It’s your choice but it doesn’t imply stealth disruptor doesn’t exist or it doesn’t work.

The very existence of those traps are proof of how OP thief is. It’s proof that other classes have no inherent way of countering stealth. You NEED to buy a trap and waste karma and supplies and badges in order to actually counter it. There is no way to remove stealth from a thief without those traps. And you see nothing wrong with that? With the fact it’s the only class that you need to buy an item to actively counter its class mechanics. Why not just give other classes a skill that causes reveal? thief wouldn’t need to be changed or and other classes have an actual counter to it.

Wait, it’s not the only way to deal with stealth …. you can always L2P.
It’s just the easy way.

This.

Omg!
I can’t kill everything!
Nerf it Anet!

WhedonGaming.8016:

100% crit change out of stealth says different, coming from a thief. i dont need precision. other classes use fury and dont really need very much precision outside of jewelry. this stuff needs to change. role a build with everything celestial and see what it does.

Nice assumption but I don’t use stealth.

I guess that makes me a hippie.

EDIT: Why is everyone using “synergy” now? This is new.

It works with Signets of Power.

How many times must the same kitten be explained to you guys?

Invisibility =/= Invincibility.

It is like you guys have no desire to better yourselves. There are people who’ve understand the patterns or have experienced these patterns first hand. After their little lessons, they get on our forums and tell us how much of a joke we are to fight.

I mean… I don’t use stealth at all and I have ABSOLUTELY ZERO problems vs my own class, stealth-spamming or not. I only got killed by 1 other thief and that was because I forgot to set my traits. Regardless, I still downed him during our duel. I am not the only one.

A kittenload of people from other professions will tell you they have no problem with thieves because they learned how the class works. They’ve sought advice from thieves or have rolled a thief themselves in order to understand thief tactics. Those people see thieves as a major joke.

Champion Moadniir Commanders…. we’re kittened.

You can have all the crit damage in the world but it wont mean that much to you if you dont have any precision to get it to work often enough to make any difference.

Dr Hashbrown.7104:

Celestial is a horrible stat, why would you even want it?

Its better than MF gear.

Zach’s Slightly Modified Bleedy-Dodgy Build

CHANGES:

• 0/20/0/20/30 instead of 0/20/0/30/20
• Slightly less HP for more Condition Damage
• Signet of Malice now gives 6 initiative instead of 2.
• No access to Vigor. You probably won’t need it anyway.

The biggest thing about this build is that SoM heal gives you as much initiative as Roll for Initiative 75% more often. Its has even better excuses for you to use it now.

I dare someone to test this build out.