Guild Wars 2

LordByron.8369:

Coldin.2840:

Thieves are only “god-mode” in 1v1 and small scale battles. They’re pretty awful in a Zerg, and attacking towers and keeps, especially now that they have no 1200 range attacks.

I’ll say Thieves are the most downtrodden just to put in this thread. They pretty much have no role in dungeons, or in big WvW battles.

the last sentence just proves that thief has a HUGE l2p issue.

Despite is one of the STRONGEST and VERSATILE dungeon professions, 90% of his players still ignores it….

I can t understand why most thieves are so bad at PvE….(and this time is really a l2p issue) but when you play things like fotm 48 you see how the profession has really EVERYTHING.

Antiprojectile
Healing combo (can outheal maw agony)
Best resser in game
Long duration Stealth is more useful even than portal
One of the best AoE in the game
Perma blindness
Can bypass defiant with CC

Maybe that is due to the profession beiing too effective with low skill in www, thus not promoting a deeper exploration of the class.

P.S. to OP saying “who says stealth is OP is a scrub” is not much meaningful :/ and you can see 90% of threads about profession X is OP is started by a thief player….
Forum professions are not that far to not being able to check….

There is a difference between playing a thief and maining a thief. A grand majority of the time, its a thief player vs. a thief mainer and unfortunately the thief player loses out.

Believe me, I do check when people start claiming thieves going into other forums. So far the only one I have seen was in Mesmers and that one was made right after I suggested this.

I see more “nerf stealth” threads made in suggestions and our forums than anywhere else. Most of them tend to be created by newbies or people who’ve never touched a thief in their lives. It’s easy to point them out because they have absolutely no clue of how stealth works.

But I will agree with you that this class has a low skill floor with stealth. What everyone forgets is that it also has a high skill ceiling when it comes to utility and timing. Our skills are utility-heavy and can be used as a tool rather than an attack. That’s one of the qualities that separates scrubby thieves from good ones.

Stealth also separates a good player from a bad one in both application and countering. That is what kitten es everyone off but that doesn’t justify the constant QQ, especially when the thief community will spill their guts to you.

Esplen.3940:

Does the celebration for the fourth of july stay all year long?

It would be nice if it did. I liek fierwurkz.

Celestial sucks. I am never going to use it unless I am bored.

LordByron.8369:

Solo.9027:

Ele players are the loudest whiners on the forums but since it gets us some attention I don’t often call them out on it. Most just play the same old boring bunker set and then complain that theres no damage or they die too easy when they’re throwing their dodges away for a blast finisher.

actually not….

You can find thieves complaining in EVERY SINGLE profession forum saying other professions are OP.

WHen they get nerfed they managed to have the nerf reverted prior to the release and changed with a minor one that was again reverted following patch.

They even complain to not be good in www just to say what whining does mean……(almost evey non thief players complain of the profession being god mode in www).

Ele on the other side is the most nerfed profession, and the one with more downsides

p.S. I Play mesmer since months…..because i was really tired of that.

Two problems with that:

1.) We are too busy defending our class to kitten about other classes.
2.) Whatever information you pulled those assumptions from is false because:
– The people who complain about stealth (or the lack of survivability in thief) end up being scrubs .
-or-
– They are anti-thieves who never even touched a thief have no clue what they are talking about 95% of the time.

TheGuy.3568:

This is a joke thread right? Who is above thief is cleansing right now? Necro and guardian and ele. Lets not play games here thief is fine when it comes to condition cleansing. Any short comings you see are from the vacuum because most classes aren’t better off.

You know what let me sum this up much quicker you will never ever get a buff here not ever. If you can not handle conditions as thief you are GC or a bad kittening thief. /Thread

This. Although Necro and their condition transfers don’t frighten me because I only do two conditions and both of them are easy to cleanse.

RedSpectrum.1975:

Honestly it seems to me like they are. I’m a backstab balanced thief and the amount of effort I need to use to bring down a DD ele usually ends up in vain. Their advantage is that they don’t need a target, ironically the dagger set gives them a on of aoe which negates stealth, and the water attunement lets them heal without their healing skill. One would burst them down after the water is used but at the same time this is when the DD ele is at their most dangerous as well. Twice today I had to disengage because I had to use my utilities way too close to each other, cleverly saving the shadow refuge as a final trump card. Thieves Guild does help for the extra burst but forget about it if they haven’t used water yet :p I’m not even going to go into the boons, how do you guys handle these players? Usually I just avoid combat with them, but today I was forced into a fight, which I could’ve ran from but I wanted to see if I could do something.

D/D elementalist don’t phase me. I have gotten into a lengthy fight against one though.

ItIsFinished.9462:

I hate when a Zerg catches me off guard.

But just so everyone knows, I’m in no way opposed to running from an open world roaming duel. Any player should do what they need to to survive. My question is more geared toward an organized duel. Like, with a bow before hand. Almost like a mutual agreement of a fight to the death!

I like when people run. Its a reward to kill fleeing enemies whether I get any badges or not.

Ezeriel.9574:

Pistol #2 skill slot is nearly useless… perfect for a new skill makeover

This.

I think they are all ugly.

Vayne.8563:

Mercurio.4970:

NCSOFT is committed to their vision of a “budget” online RPG. They have always had a strategy of keeping the overhead low, so they drastically scale back on things like Customer Support and UI development. It’s just how the model for the guild wars games go. We are never going to see much improvement in these areas, unfortunately.

So they created a budget MMO by having several motion picture’s worth of voice acting in it? Failed logic there.

This game cost quite a bit of money to design, because voice acting is expensive. Voicing the personal story, several quests, and many of the in world NPCs wasn’t cheap.

But like all games, there is a budget and every game will list it’s priorities. Star Wars ToR did terribly because all their money went to cinematics…it’s the most expensive MMO in history.

No MMO, even ones with big budgets, have enough of a budget to prioritize everything.

The least they could do is polish the game before they launched it. If I had the time to list all of the aesthetic and functional problems that need looking at, I would but the list is too long for me to place it anywhere near the top of MY priority list.

Kukchi.6173:

Zacchary.6183:

We got it because all we have are bleeds and more bleeds. Poison sucks and venom builds are almost non-existent because they pale in comparison to bleed condition builds and other zerk builds.

I lold irl thanks man that was a really good joke…. then I looked at your sig and laughed even more.

I lol when I go against warriors. Your rotations are so predictable I almost feel like I am doing a rotation myself. :P

Welcome to the club!

Related link is related.

There are some parts in this game which are “Punishing” and not “Challenging”. That annoys me.

The mini pet system is about as bad as satellite TV. Nothing happens and you still get static!

Living story is more important.

Remove Culling.

Nope.

Nothing is > Living Story!

MrForz.1953:

Zacchary.6183:

Here’s a new one:

The only ones who complain about stealth are scrubs.

A Thief complained that Engies could manage to use Stealth. Does it make him a scrub?

Link me and I will tell you.

Constantine.7812:

Zacchary.6183:

Constantine.7812:

Zacchary.6183:

Constantine.7812:

Darksidhe.6740:

stuff

im just wondering when ppl from anet actually notice that ppl playing thieves have comments like these. comment where they actually admit thief is op and they also laugh about it not only in game but also on gw2 forums.

I’m wondering when the people who are trying to nerf thieves further will understand the difference between “Invisibility” and “Invincibility”, comments where they show how little they know about the thief not only in game but on gw2 forums.

oh look another thief defending his op class. now thief pls go back to stealth mode so that nobody can see you ok? of course dont forget to backstab ppl and HURRY TO STEALTH AGAIN!!!!! HURRY HURRY

Oh look, another but_hurt player who won’t swallow their pride and actually learn how to fight thieves! When will you get the hint that the other thieves want you to know how to counter them whenever they throw great advice at you? Of course, don’t forget to completely ignore it and continue to cry for nerfs AND NOT BECOME A BETTER PLAYER!!!! HURRY HURRY!!!

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Unfortunately for you, I don’t use stealth and I still kick other thieve’s kitten, stealth heavy or not. I guess I will keep telling you L2P until you get my point!

L2P

low iq boy on gw2 forums is low iq boy on gw2 forums. your iq is so low, that you actually have to copy my posts. no further comments for low iq boy.

Classic irony coming from a scrub who keeps getting killed by thieves. Go figure.

EDIT:
PROTIP: Its called an idiot.

frans.8092:

Mordecai.6318:

another one of these….

are we to make a thread everytime an axe warrior hits a 15k+ eviscerate?

Yeah, probably. Could give it a try and see what happens.

I hope you guys realize this is the same warrior that made the thread my second link links to. o. e

I would rather play through dungeons like they were meant to be rather than try and cut corners.

Fun is more efficient than efficiency.

Mada.5319:

It’s based on total number of accounts on the server, last I heard. CD probably has a lot of inactive accounts on it.

We do.

Here’s a new one:

The only ones who complain about stealth are scrubs.

Living story is more important.

Seems like this guy probably was full glass and maxed out on his Critical Damage and power. I’m just taking this from as much as I hit last time I tested Zerk in WvW.

After skimming through a few pages, I am realizing more and more that NOBODY knows that the Gem Store only feeds NCSoft who gives Anet money at their discretion. They aren’t supporting the game, they are supporting paychecks.

Because Living Story is more important.

Yargesh.4965:

Zacchary.6183:

Yargesh.4965:

Zacchary.6183:

Both companies don’t know it yet, but NCsoft and ArenaNet are the downhill slopes of lost customer loyalty and negative word-of-mouth advertising.

Wow, but you know this. All they have is income reports detailing what people are spending money on. All they have is customer support records that tell what people are contacting the company directly about. All they have is facebook and twitter accounts that track real-time as well as forums. Shame they don’t know what direction the game is heading.

Paperwork does only so much. Word-of-mouth can be the poison or the divine elixir of any company. Unless a company acknowledges that this poison/elixir exists while addressing it at face-value, the company will end up tripping itself for the worse.

Bad products breed bad reviews. Bad reviews turn off potential customers, one of those things that keeps a company alive and well.

Fine, where are the bad reviews? Are they in a place that more than 5 people read? Are they done by someone who is just p.o.’d that the game was not what they dreamed of? Are they reasonable problems the company will change, or are they things that require a complete wipe of the current game? Are there any reviews that are positive and if so again are they in front of a wide audience or preaching to the choir?

I’ll let you figure that out on your own time seeing as how you are too busy enjoying the shiny carrots they dangle in front of you to do any research.

Mordecai.6318:

I will never understand why a new thread like this pops up once a week. I am getting so sick of looking for meaningful threads in my favorite profession’s forum only to find the same banter over and over.

Coming to the thief specific forum to complain about thieves is ridiculous. You are never going to get anyone on your side.

-The entire class does not need to be nerfed because you died in a 1v1.
-The entire class does not need to be nerfed because you’ve never learned to counter it.
-The entire class does not need to be nerfed because of your inability to min/max a build properly.
-The entire class does not need to be nerfed because of your inability to preemptively dodge/evade/block/invuln or have any understanding of thief stealth timers to assist in those processes.
-The entire class does not need to be nerfed because you cannot adapt, have no situational awareness, and don’t learn from previous engagements.

Has anyone ever considered that a thief (in zerg or small group scenario) when stealthed isn’t contributing anything to his/her team? If the thief is forced to run away (which they almost always are at some point) then that time spent in stealth is time wasted. That could be 12 or more seconds of time that a thief is spent waiting on regen,cleansing conditions and NOT doing damage, not rallying people, or any number of productive things it COULD have been contributing.

Stealth can be a really frustrating mechanic and I’m sorry to be a broken record, but the vast majority of these stupid threads really are L2P issues. Get over yourselves.

Yes please put a violin in this game so I can play sad songs while scrubs continue to complain about my class.

Constantine.7812:

Zacchary.6183:

Constantine.7812:

Darksidhe.6740:

stuff

im just wondering when ppl from anet actually notice that ppl playing thieves have comments like these. comment where they actually admit thief is op and they also laugh about it not only in game but also on gw2 forums.

I’m wondering when the people who are trying to nerf thieves further will understand the difference between “Invisibility” and “Invincibility”, comments where they show how little they know about the thief not only in game but on gw2 forums.

oh look another thief defending his op class. now thief pls go back to stealth mode so that nobody can see you ok? of course dont forget to backstab ppl and HURRY TO STEALTH AGAIN!!!!! HURRY HURRY

Oh look, another but_hurt player who won’t swallow their pride and actually learn how to fight thieves! When will you get the hint that the other thieves want you to know how to counter them whenever they throw great advice at you? Of course, don’t forget to completely ignore it and continue to cry for nerfs AND NOT BECOME A BETTER PLAYER!!!! HURRY HURRY!!!

Unfortunately for you, I don’t use stealth and I still kick other thieve’s kitten, stealth heavy or not. I guess I will keep telling you L2P until you get my point!

L2P

Burnfall.9573:

Oh Great!

More Thief demands.

(You will get what u ask according to Aren net Favorite class).

Just speaking out the Truth since Day 1

There is only misinformation to be had in biased opinions.

We got it because all we have are bleeds and more bleeds. Poison sucks and venom builds are almost non-existent because they pale in comparison to bleed condition builds and other zerk builds.

Constantine.7812:

Darksidhe.6740:

stuff

im just wondering when ppl from anet actually notice that ppl playing thieves have comments like these. comment where they actually admit thief is op and they also laugh about it not only in game but also on gw2 forums.

I’m wondering when the people who are trying to nerf thieves further will understand the difference between “Invisibility” and “Invincibility”, comments where they show how little they know about the thief not only in game but on gw2 forums.

Yargesh.4965:

Zacchary.6183:

Both companies don’t know it yet, but NCsoft and ArenaNet are the downhill slopes of lost customer loyalty and negative word-of-mouth advertising.

Wow, but you know this. All they have is income reports detailing what people are spending money on. All they have is customer support records that tell what people are contacting the company directly about. All they have is facebook and twitter accounts that track real-time as well as forums. Shame they don’t know what direction the game is heading.

Paperwork does only so much. Word-of-mouth can be the poison or the divine elixir of any company. Unless a company acknowledges that this poison/elixir exists while addressing it at face-value, the company will end up tripping itself for the worse.

Bad products breed bad reviews. Bad reviews turn off potential customers, one of those things that keeps a company alive and well.

Justdeifyme.9387:

Like Likin Park said: In the End, it doesn’t even matteeeeeerr

Anet already got the money from them, since there isn’t a subscription fee they don’t have to please every single kittened up mind that is out there who needs something to work towards, because they have nothing like this in their real lifes.

So, Anet and NCsoft already got your money kittenez, and like it was said, it is more than enough to continue the Living Story which is great and I love it!

That’s nice that they got our money. What more important is that they KEEP getting our money. I can tell you this, though, I am definitely not going to recommend anything NCSoft to my friends after all the crap I’ve put up with and seen and unless they come up with some good deals, I am not buying anything else from them. I don’t want my friends spending money without knowing the disappointment they will be encountering.

Both companies don’t know it yet, but NCsoft and ArenaNet are the downhill slopes of lost customer loyalty and negative word-of-mouth advertising.

MightyMicah.7451:

Zacchary.6183:

Oh gawd! The class that’s suppose to have the highest burst bursted me! Wtf anet?!

Wait, wait wait. A high burst character busted you? Dude. I don’t even wanna play this game anymore. C’mon man, let’s just quit. This is just madness….(lol)

This isn’t even Sparta either. kitten everything…. >:c

( :P )

Linguistically Inept.6583:

Zacchary.6183:

I thought it was part of Trahearne. This whole time I thought he was tackling the problems of Tyria naked. Now I see thats plant armor.
o .o

he uses sylvari cultural… but i believe the OP was talking about gretchen (or w/e her name is)

Oh well that actually does look pretty cool then.

I thought it was part of Trahearne. This whole time I thought he was tackling the problems of Tyria naked. Now I see thats plant armor.
o .o

Oh gawd! The class that’s suppose to have the highest burst bursted me! Wtf anet?!

Kichwas.7152:

That guy up there is just a random risen wizard. I’ve always assumed he was one of Khilbron’s lackeys. Either a local wizard who work with him, or an apprentice, or just some fool opportunist who noticed the guy’s house was empty and broke in minutes before the place sank.

I guess ill be doing some research today.

Gandarel.5091:

Zacchary.6183:

Khisanth.2948:

Zacchary.6183:

Orrian: "Son, would you like to know about your ancestry?

Orrian Child: “Sure thing, Dad!”

Orrian: “Once upon a time, Vizier Khilbron acted like a stupid kitten and sank Orr with one of the most powerful magicks in history. Vizier Khilbron is now Zhaitan’s ho.The End.”

Abbadon not Zhaitan.
Depending on how things work … possibly Kormir now.

Zhaitan’s Ho in body.

I don’t think Zhaitan managed to get him back from the realm of torment…

If Abby completely took him away, then I would like to know who it is that waits at the chest on top of that JP. =n=

If you want mounts, get rid of waypoints.

I got your dragons right here.

I watched a $3k fireworks show. It was amazing. Happy 4th of july!

Khisanth.2948:

Zacchary.6183:

Orrian: "Son, would you like to know about your ancestry?

Orrian Child: “Sure thing, Dad!”

Orrian: “Once upon a time, Vizier Khilbron acted like a stupid kitten and sank Orr with one of the most powerful magicks in history. Vizier Khilbron is now Zhaitan’s ho.The End.”

Abbadon not Zhaitan.
Depending on how things work … possibly Kormir now.

Zhaitan’s Ho in body.

Orrian: "Son, would you like to know about your ancestry?

Orrian Child: “Sure thing, Dad!”

Orrian: “Once upon a time, Vizier Khilbron acted like a stupid kitten and sank Orr with one of the most powerful magicks in history. Vizier Khilbron is now Zhaitan’s ho.The End.”

It wont. :P

Nothing is ever > Living Story.

The biggest problem is that you have bad players too prideful to admit that they are bad. They get called out many times before someone comes along and picks them apart causing them to either submit and admit they are bad, attempt to prove us wrong/right by actually trying out a thief or leave for another forum.

The invisibility from stealth forces the player to think outside the box. It actually makes combat more engaging and weeds out the bads from the goods. Not only that, killing a thief as a thief is a big ego booster there.