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It also helps that you don’t hesitate in a fight, even if you end up making a bad move. And try to stay away from or not depend on people that do hesitate in fights, since they’re unreliable.
(A very general thing I’ve noticed in most games that involve some sort of combat.)

Found an interesting video…
It’s sodapoppin (not the presenter of the video, but the enemy guy with incinerator), the famous twitch streamer, learning to play thief – and I think he just started to play gw2 a week or so ago. I’ve only watched ~8 minutes, considering it’s 2 hours long (not going to watch all of it…). But in those 8 minutes it’s kind of interesting to see how a completely new player handles/starts learning a thief.

Mind you, and this maybe obvious, he’s not new to gaming and he has played other MMOs (say WoW) before – so he has the dexterity and the hand eye coordination that you typically acquire after gaming a lot (basically he knows how to use a keyboard and a mouse, and he knows not to click on skills….).

T raw.4658:

Wait guardian hard counters power thief.

Why is a guardian complaining about thieves?

They need to revert CnD, mug, BP, and cluster bomb nerfs.

I would guess, because he isn’t running a spec that counters thieves but still wants to counter them in that spec.

Diovid.9506:

DiogoSilva.7089:

Apparently, specializations are going to be a much bigger thing than what players may think. There’ll be a whole weak devoted to each one of them.

To be fair, there may be other reasons for that. Such as that some of them are not yet in a state to be shown (like the Revenant’s other legends). Alternatively this might just be chosen as a strategy to maintain hype.

I’m not saying they won’t be a big deal. I mean with a new weapon, a new healing skill, new utility skills, a new elite skill, new traits and a changed profession mechanic they sound like quite the big deal.

Besides what he said about maintaining hype, they could also be stretching out their development cycles.

Think about it, there are 8 classes +1 coming, total of 9… they’re going to spend 9 weeks releasing weekly information about the specs. 9 weeks is just a bit more than 2 months.

Not sure how they will be able to maintain the hype when (I personally believe) game will probably be released mid to end of summer. Weekly information is nice and all but yeah…

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Tempest.4507:

I came here with facts and proofs.

All based on your failure to L2P Thief.

So…

Fact and proofs of his failure?

Harsh.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Hey Zero, do you know what day you started this thread?

We should have a 1 year celebration hi-lighting the wishes that came true.

December 03, 2013 20:51

So, we kind of missed the 2014 anniversary.

My personal favorite wish that came true is that choking gas now reveals us from stealth.

They have yet to nerf our superior in-stealth crafting speed.

Sad thing is, there doesn’t seem to be much complaining anymore. :/ Wonder why.

King Noob IV.3560:

can like someone show me a video of a mastered thief? i keep seeing people complain about how op someone is when they master this profession but i don’t know what it looks like.

Pretty sure, they’ve seen too many montage videos of pro-thieves and so when they die once, those videos are subconsciously replayed in their heads and they think “Wow pro-thieves never die and always get the kill!”

Little do they know that montage videos are typically hand-picked clips collected over a span of fights over a span of some time to basically show off a bit.

That’s not to say the people posting up montage videos suck. It’s more to point out that it’s a montage video.

Although I don’t know any, live streams would probably a closer show of skill, since you will see ALL the fights (including the ones where they lost). And even then, but-hurt people will have a confirmation bias while watching live streams.

THEY EXIST!!! IN OUR HEADS!!!!

Grumpy cat says it best:

Yes!
Why settle for one, when we should get both!

Originally by: Cynz.9437

What: Thief’s walking ability.
Suggestion: Thieves should constantly move in a direction of an edge of a cliff, regardless of where the camera is pointing and which keys they press. When at the edge of the cliff, the thief will proceed to jump off.
Why: i wonder if we wrote here “jump off the cliff”, would they do it too?
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/page/9#post4866555

Cynz.9437:

what i like about this thread is the fact that devs actually implemented some of this suggestions which says so much about them~

i wonder if we wrote here “jump off the cliff”, would they do it too?

:D * waits *

Devata.6589:

Zero Day.2594:

Devata.6589:

….

You must be a necromancer…

Because sometimes I do not answer on the same day?

Because it’s 24 days after the last post, which was also by you…

Sagat.3285:

Zero Day.2594:

Sagat.3285:

mompen.7952:

Sagat.3285:

Sagat.3285:

Melee rifle ftw!!

I quote the quote!

Support it man,GS are too large and heavy for whatever samurai some want and necro are getting it. Support the melee rifle it will create a shadow spike from the rifle and will act like a lance rifle like Warlord in Lost Ark. I think someone pointed out the rifle had a knife to it…

A bayonet?

Kind of, it was old thread scrutinizing the trailer and I made the connection, might just be graphic/skin but the tough of melee rifle is sweet.

That reminds me…

We could be getting the… “Commando” as our spec name (rifle as a weapon). Wouldn’t that be funny. And possibly reveal the spec on April fools day as a joke on a joke… “Haha you thought we were kidding again? Well we’re not!”

The nerf wish list has been resurrected!

Invoker.5462:

So here i am, in the lair, the hornets nest of thieves on their very own forum. What should i expect? The typical ignorance of the players who can’t seem to get better no matter what or the try hard overly committed players who treat the profession like it’s their lifestyle?

Cool you came here to vent and not listen. Got it.

Invoker.5462:

It’s readily apparent that a HUGE population of theives have no idea that they are contributing very little to the team, and in many cases actually think their far tactics or lord rushing (into death) are actually helping the team.

Yeah that’s not class specific… That’s just a person that doesn’t know what their doing in sPvP.
But we’re assuming that you mean people that aren’t good or below average skill – and just overexaggerating it by what you’re saying.

Invoker.5462:

On the flipside, when thieves are actually good. They are too good, and incite confusion among the general playerbase. “How can he dodge that many times?” “Is it really fair that he can bypass the down mechanic by going invisible?”

Traits, sigils, possibly using an SB? Is it fair to bypass the down mechanic (assuming you mean the ability to interrupt/knockdown) with stability?
Maybe you mean running away – again everyone can do it. True thieves can do it better than most.

Invoker.5462:

Short answer is, yes its fair, but the profession, when played well is in need of a nerf. Lets step back for a second and look at a class with an even higher skill ceiling, the Mesmer.

So people that play well need to get handicapped? This really seems like you got outplayed a short while a go and that was the last drop which caused you to come here and vent. It’s cool we understand, there’s been millions of “you”.

Invoker.5462:

Now a mesmer, when played well, finds itself in weaker position than a well played theif, yet is harder to play to its full potential. Can you respect a mesmer who plays well? I know i sure can. On the other hand, a theif who play’s well almost seems to be abusing several rotations that allow it to be nearly unkillable. It feels cheesy to fight a well played theif, not like the mesmer who just tricked the hell outa me.

Yeah, I don’t have a mesmer, can’t say anything about that. It feels cheesy getting outplayed probably anything, since cheesy is in your vocabulary.

Invoker.5462:

So on both end of the spectrum, bad and good theives are toxic to this community, the profession should have never been added to the game, but since it’s here it really needs to be reworked.

And so, on both ends of the spectrum, good/decent players wreck thieves while bad ones QQ/vent on their forums, both being somewhat annoying/toxic to the thief community.

I do agree with a rework, though not for the same reasons.

Originally by: Invoker.5462

What: Skill cap reduced/nerfed – Playing well should incur a handicap.
Why: It’s readily apparent that a HUGE population of theives have no idea that they are contributing very little to the team, and in many cases actually think their far tactics or lord rushing (into death) are actually helping the team.
On the flipside, when thieves are actually good. They are too good, and incite confusion among the general playerbase. “How can he dodge that many times?” “Is it really fair that he can bypass the down mechanic by going invisible?”
Short answer is, yes its fair, but the profession, when played well is in need of a nerf. Lets step back for a second and look at a class with an even higher skill ceiling, the Mesmer.
Now a mesmer, when played well, finds itself in weaker position than a well played theif, yet is harder to play to its full potential. Can you respect a mesmer who plays well? I know i sure can. On the other hand, a theif who play’s well almost seems to be abusing several rotations that allow it to be nearly unkillable. It feels cheesy to fight a well played theif, not like the mesmer who just tricked the hell outa me.
So on both end of the spectrum, bad and good theives are toxic to this community, the profession should have never been added to the game, but since it’s here it really needs to be reworked.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thieves-are-toxic-to-this-community-pvp

Sagat.3285:

mompen.7952:

Sagat.3285:

Sagat.3285:

Melee rifle ftw!!

I quote the quote!

Support it man,GS are too large and heavy for whatever samurai some want and necro are getting it. Support the melee rifle it will create a shadow spike from the rifle and will act like a lance rifle like Warlord in Lost Ark. I think someone pointed out the rifle had a knife to it…

A bayonet?

MrForz.1953:

Well, not to be a jerk or anything, but… Warrior, you know. :/

Yeah, I know… And I do have a warrior and a guard…

Devata.6589:

….

You must be a necromancer…

YuiRS.8129:

MrForz.1953:

What’s the deal with greatswords?

I wanna be Cloud!

But seriously, fast paced acrobatic “swordsmaster” type would be pretty cool in my book.

Or you know… Sephiroth with two wings!

but yeah that acrobatic “swordsmaster” type is what I’m kind of hoping for – less to no reliance on stealth and still being able to go toe-to-toe. Yeah S/X does kind of gives that… but…

Doggie.3184:

Zero Day.2594:

There’s a rumor floating around on reddit that we will be getting a torch/focus.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2ydzfk/i_spoke_to_colin_for_45_minutes_at_the_community/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2ydw3c/pax_east_dev_talk/

The thing that scares me the most is:

“When asked what profession’s specialization a developer was most excited for his initial response was Thief (he mains warrior and is still excited for warrior)”

I REALLY hope it’s not a torch/focus.

If Thief got mainhand Torch I would cream so hard. ;x Arsonist FTW

Actually I didn’t think about that… if we can constantly set stuff on fire, it might not be so bad…

Then again I would rather set things on fire with a great sword or a rifle.

YuiRS.8129:

Zero Day.2594:

There’s a rumor floating around on reddit that we will be getting a torch/focus.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2ydzfk/i_spoke_to_colin_for_45_minutes_at_the_community/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2ydw3c/pax_east_dev_talk/

The thing that scares me the most is:

“When asked what profession’s specialization a developer was most excited for his initial response was Thief (he mains warrior and is still excited for warrior)”

I REALLY hope it’s not a torch/focus.

I’ve heard a rumor that Thief is getting dual-wield hammers. Of course my source isn’t as reliable as THE REDDIT.

True, rumors are rumors after all.

Still, dev’s being excited about the thief’s specialization really worries me (and pair with that rumor…). I hope they’re not excited for something equivalent of fixing the gap between exotics and legendaries (by implementing ascended) on the thief – for me that was really “exciting”, so much so I stopped playing slowly. They’re actually fixing the gap now though with the crafting, but yeah that happened so long ago that it’s silly of me to still be bitter about it.

There’s a rumor floating around on reddit that we will be getting a torch/focus.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2ydzfk/i_spoke_to_colin_for_45_minutes_at_the_community/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2ydw3c/pax_east_dev_talk/

The thing that scares me the most is:

“When asked what profession’s specialization a developer was most excited for his initial response was Thief (he mains warrior and is still excited for warrior)”

I REALLY hope it’s not a torch/focus.

Tempest.4507:

Zero Day.2594:

We also don’t require any skill at all and are able dominate even if we use the keyboard like in the picture I’ve attached.

So this was your honest asnwer? I see…

Yup, most people that complain about thieves believe this to be true.

Tempest.4507:

Did any of you actually read what I wrote on? How dodging and and stealth is actually inferior to being immune to damage and knockdowns and having higher HP and regen and armor because it requires no skill? You miss a dodge and you are dead. If a class that is suppose to excel in 1v1 combat can’t 1 shot ppl then a tanky class should not aswell.

I gave you an honest answer, which will most likely sum up every other response, besides the “you might be building wrong, and thus getting low numbers” and the “l2p”.

Because we/thieves (role and sacrifice aside) have lots of stealth, mobility, and evasion and do incredible damage which makes it unfair to everyone else, so when others out damage or out preform us it’s fine. We also don’t require any skill at all and are able dominate even if we use the keyboard like in the picture I’ve attached. Pretty sure that’s the general argument.

DarkSyze.8627:

I want to comment: i agree with you Margrave about thief class and i have answer to your question (opinion).

Am I doing something wrong? You are not doing anything wrong at all, it is the way Arena net design thief class: very high damage:instant kill with very weak defense without stealth.

Can anyone tell me how to make this class as fun as a traditional rogue? I do not think Arena net design thief to be fun:challenge class because a rogue profession like wow is not like thief.

Why is wow rogue profession is fun vs arena net thief not fun?

Wow rogue have risk and consequence for make choice and to take advantage, Arena net thief do not have risk and consequence for make choice and to take advantage.

Example: stealth

Wow rogue stealth have risk and consequence for using it,
Arena net thief stealth have no risk and no consequence for using it.

Wow rogue stealth have strict consequence if make mistake,
Arena net thief stealth have no consequence at all for make mistake: they reset every time when make any mistake.

Last:

Wow rogue is fun because you learn because of challenge,
Arena net thief is not fun because you do not learn anything at all: all you do is repeat same thing, over and over again, which is not challenge.

Wow rogue also learn when to use other skill to be effective more: their skill is time with coold own.
Arena net thief do not learn anything when to use other skill to be effective, because they do not have cool down and that when they use a skill, they always have other skill ready to use again and again.

In conclusion, arena net thief do no offer any option but to repeat the same thing over and over again and not offer any challenge for thief player.

Where is fun to only repeat same thing over and over again?
Where is fun to use same thing over and over again?

I understand why Margrave feel thief is unfinished because that is not what a rogue class should be. If want be a rogue class, be honest instead of using rogue as excuse!!

(I list some but there is more)

Go back to WoW, please. You seem to have a better grasp of things there than here.

The thread can now be closed. Successfully completed lil jon achievement.

vpchelko.4261:

What?

must… resist…
ah… kitten IT.

Interesting…
2nd post of it’s kind, and from someone that seems new to the class. Wonder if more posts of this kind will be created.

Essentially what maug said though. SB is typically used a utility weapon… Besides D/D and S/P you can give P/P, an unload build of a sort, a shot ( ) again for single target.

Question…

Will I get a skill to call upon several people from the guild if I join?

Vukorep.3081:

do i have to talk like you in guild chat? :o

I WOULD THINK IT"S MANDATORY
FYI YOU NEED TO HOLD SHIFT AND NOT JUST TURN ON CAPS LOCK

MightyMicah.7451:

Eh. People who argue about this need a life. I’m happy with whatever extra weapon we get. That is all.

My local superstore seems to be always out of them, can you spare me one? I constantly seem to be dead.

Is it wrong to express opinions or desires, especially in/for something we’re interested in?

While your reasoning is very strong and compelling.

I’m still hoping for a great sword…
Pretty sure there’s gravity defying hair in this game… so hey, a frail looking guy should be able to wield a giant sword… just like in anime.

Kurow.3076:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Wall of nonsense!

Holy balls…nearly everything I said went right over your head. It’s like you read and comprehended only what you wanted to hear. That’s impressive!!!

I’m awesome?
Thanks man, you too.

I would still want a great sword over rifle… and well.. revert the range nerf on the sb… make that cluster arrow 1200 range again (useful for shooting people up on the wall in WvW).

The thing is, just because it will have 1200 range, doesn’t mean that once engaged in a fight that there will be 1200 range between the thief and the target… The game play will probably be about the same as with the other ranged weapons…

And what maug said is probably true too… They kind of screwed themselves a little when they made skills be like that.

Jana.6831:

Zero Day.2594:

Yeah, I’m starting to lose excitement about the expansion. Kind of realizing that the rifle might not bring much – aside from QQ’s about how a thief killed someone now at 1200 distance and how that’s super cheese because they have stealth and lots of mobility so they shouldn’t have 1200 range – and I’m starting to think we won’t see the expansion till past summer judging by how much information they’ve been putting out about it.

(In reality, any weapon we get, it will be complained about.)

Oh no, don’t lose excitement or hope or whatever, I want you to stick around, other than you there’s just rangers and überpros who call me a noob – I would have no reason to come here anymore – and how should I survive the loading screens of GW if I’m not passing the meantime on the forums? =(

Rifle for teef will be completely awesome: We will be able to fly through the sky on it and umm.. escape? So, it will be a bit like a rocket, you hop onto it, it will be stealthed for the first 5 secs and then bring you to a safe place in a distance of 1200. It will then explode in fire and burn all enemies waiting there. Unblockable I should add. You also get 5 stability while riding on it. You can use this as an infiltrator tool as well though. And in the first time it will be bugged so thieves in wvw will be able to burnfly into enemy towers and solo cap them.
Ok, I’ll stop here.
No, I’m not on drugs.

That rocket idea might not be so far fetched, I was kind of thinking of how a rifle would have mobility…
But more on the lines of Caitlyn’s net from LoL, where she shoots the net and the shot sends her flying back a bit. Could be like a charge up too, the longer you charge it the further you will fly/get knocked back.
That or they could just take short bow’s infiltrator’s arrow and call it infiltrator’s bullet.

Knowing ANet though, it will be something with traps and/or venoms.

Ah yes, I know…
We will get a torch/focus off-hand and the spec will specialize in traps, and it will be called the “Explorer”. And then we can all, or whoever is the quickest, re-roll/name change our thieves to have the name “Dora”. Almost forgot to mention, since the focus/torch glows, it constantly replies revealed debuff, just because some people want(ed) steathless builds.

Jana.6831:

So like engi?
I will stick to my D/D anyway
HORRAY EXPANSION!

Yeah, I’m starting to lose excitement about the expansion. Kind of realizing that the rifle might not bring much – aside from QQ’s about how a thief killed someone now at 1200 distance and how that’s super cheese because they have stealth and lots of mobility so they shouldn’t have 1200 range – and I’m starting to think we won’t see the expansion till past summer judging by how much information they’ve been putting out about it.

(In reality, any weapon we get, it will be complained about.)

Andred.1087:

Mechanic?

(skip to 1m 12s)

You know what a mechanic is?

Dadnir.5038:

If they end up giving a rifle to the thief, they will more likely restrain their access to stealth. Why? because the philosophie of this game is : low risk low reward. And range weapon are low risk low reward.

Anyway, like Kurow said : Only bad thieves are DYING for a 1200 ranged weapon…especially in PvE.

That would be interesting… Taking away stealth and giving a rifle. Not sure if anyone really wants specifically that.
They should also make the rifle a melee weapon to sweeten the package. Stealthless, melee, rifle – exactly what everyone has been hoping for.

@Simon

So, it’s the “biggest part of a dp’s in fight defensive sustain outside of stealth”… what you really meant to say is the biggest way to deny/prevent actions/skills.

k, cool.

Was that so hard for you to explain? Or are you too good to explain it to a noob like me?

@Jim

Yeah, fair enough for fun. The only real reason in my eyes is really to pick of stranglers running back to zergs and some of the things Jana mentioned. Besides that it’s kind of useless/pointless.
It might even be bad in some cases, for instance when you’re roaming with the purpose of providing intel (which means, staying alive, and fighting risks that no matter how good you might be)…

Eh, x.x … I should stop budding in on 1v1 conversations, since I find them, 1v1’ing, pretty much pointless.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Zero Day.2594:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Zero Day.2594:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Zero Day.2594:

I guess, it’s a 1v1 scenario in WvW with kitten around you – possibly even other people, which at that point is it really a 1v1? Well better hope there’s kitten around you anyways to pull some stunts off.

When is there not? It’s nearly impossible to find a location to fight in WvW where there isn’t a npc, ambient, door, player, whatever to target. My friends and I were dueling a group of thieves last night and we had to continuously kill a bunch of raptors for the person dueling to keep the thieves from porting or C&Ding off of them (which is a pretty cheesy move in a duel).

True, most places do have at least ambient creatures. But it’s a bit funny that a build might require certain environment settings to excel. Eh.

Well this thread is about thieves in WvW so we have to factor that into arguments. If people wanted to say thief has a hard time with 1v1’s in PvP I wouldn’t have a problem with that. Crit nerfs hit thieves hard in PvP, the lack of gear diversity actually lead to certain classes being too powerful because their sustain is too high. Since the game mode is about point capture thieves can’t utilize stealth the way they can in WvW. But even in PvP they have a role because they are the best PvP roaming class thanks to their high mobility. But since PvP is team combat 1v1 isn’t an issue, thieves should be +1’ing fights instead of trying to solo a bunker and only going 1v1 when they know they have the advantage.

Yeah… So I don’t really understand why people attempt to make bold claims about 1v1’s when that’s almost never the objective of anything (or any modes I should say).

Well I know from experience that solo roamers are pretty rare in the higher tiers but they are still all over the place in bronze. Being able to 1v1 or 1vX is very important when it comes to roaming. Since there’s no downside to stealth in WvW and thanks to guard stacks, food buffs, etc. and the abundance of targets in WvW, thieves make excellent roamers.

What’s the point of roaming? Or, well, dueling when roaming?

Jim Hunter.6821:

Zero Day.2594:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Zero Day.2594:

I guess, it’s a 1v1 scenario in WvW with kitten around you – possibly even other people, which at that point is it really a 1v1? Well better hope there’s kitten around you anyways to pull some stunts off.

When is there not? It’s nearly impossible to find a location to fight in WvW where there isn’t a npc, ambient, door, player, whatever to target. My friends and I were dueling a group of thieves last night and we had to continuously kill a bunch of raptors for the person dueling to keep the thieves from porting or C&Ding off of them (which is a pretty cheesy move in a duel).

True, most places do have at least ambient creatures. But it’s a bit funny that a build might require certain environment settings to excel. Eh.

Well this thread is about thieves in WvW so we have to factor that into arguments. If people wanted to say thief has a hard time with 1v1’s in PvP I wouldn’t have a problem with that. Crit nerfs hit thieves hard in PvP, the lack of gear diversity actually lead to certain classes being too powerful because their sustain is too high. Since the game mode is about point capture thieves can’t utilize stealth the way they can in WvW. But even in PvP they have a role because they are the best PvP roaming class thanks to their high mobility. But since PvP is team combat 1v1 isn’t an issue, thieves should be +1’ing fights instead of trying to solo a bunker and only going 1v1 when they know they have the advantage.

Yeah… So I don’t really understand why people attempt to make bold claims about 1v1’s when that’s almost never the objective of anything (or any modes I should say).

Jim Hunter.6821:

Zero Day.2594:

I guess, it’s a 1v1 scenario in WvW with kitten around you – possibly even other people, which at that point is it really a 1v1? Well better hope there’s kitten around you anyways to pull some stunts off.

When is there not? It’s nearly impossible to find a location to fight in WvW where there isn’t a npc, ambient, door, player, whatever to target. My friends and I were dueling a group of thieves last night and we had to continuously kill a bunch of raptors for the person dueling to keep the thieves from porting or C&Ding off of them (which is a pretty cheesy move in a duel).

True, most places do have at least ambient creatures. But it’s a bit funny that a build might require certain environment settings to excel. Eh.

I logged in once to see that I sold the 250 green low lvl items that I bought for 95 copper for 2 silver and 92 copper. I invested 2 gold 37 silver and 50 copper to make 7gold and 30 silver, that’s 261% profit.

Those are the kind of epic tales/proud moments that I’ve been having on my thief for months now.

Actually, wasn’t there a bug with the mesmer that did pretty much this…?

Yeah there was… (skip to 43 seconds for the good stuff)

Yeah, besides people trying to determine whether Shadow Shot is a teleport or not, I thought that this was happening in yet another bubbled 1v1 world…

Don’t really have anything against what Deceiver said in his explaination… Not sure if the other’s “debating” were waiting for someone to explain it for them like Deceiver did, or they were just trolling around (called out Simon, no response… though, well, now I know).

Also, nothing against your explanation Deceiver, like I know that using a gap closer (say steal, ISignet, or like you mentioned Shadow Shot) then CnD’ing off the target can be used defensively… But in the weird 1v1 bubble that Jim and Simon seem to be living in and the builds that they referred to on metabattle wiki,, you’re equipped with D/P and SB, so in their case that’s not going to fly. Don’t get me wrong, makes perfect sense, just they failed to explain this themselves (“Oh yeah, with those builds, don’t have a SB as a second set, use X/D for CnD when shadow shotting”).

I guess, it’s a 1v1 scenario in WvW with kitten around you – possibly even other people, which at that point is it really a 1v1? Well better hope there’s kitten around you anyways to pull some stunts off.

So troll…
And yeah I can see the laughter of missing your victim, followed by rage when you hit them.

Simon.3794:

lol shadow shot is like the biggest part of dp’s in fight defensive sustain outside of stealth
does surprise me how many thieves in thief forum don’t know how to play a thief.

Great, can you explain?

Like, I can’t see myself in a situation where I need to get out and I do shadow shot which brings me closer to the target, blinds the target for 1 attack ofc…

So yeah please elaborate how it can be used defensively and how it’s the “biggest part of dp’s in fight defensive sustain outside of stealth”.

Do you shadow shot then evade and then shadow shot again to repeat the cycle? (that’s not really shadow shot alone that’s doing all the magic…) Feel like I’m missing something here…

Honestly I would think that SB’s disabling shot is more defensive than shadow shot.

>.>
Um those saying shadow shot is a teleport, yeah it is technically. But I fail to see how it, alone, can be used defensively/as a run away tool. Same with steal and infiltrator signet.
They’re gap closers, not straight up unrestricted teleports, such as infiltrator’s arrow and shadowstep. (Like they don’t need a target to teleport).

Arguably, steal and infiltrator signets can be used to escape if it’s X/D you’re using – you CnD off of the target and ditch.

Tooltips also say that only shadow step and infiltrator signet “breaks stun”. Though pretty sure infiltrator’s arrow and shadow shot can be used while being rooted (can’t move, but can do actions/skills) which is slightly different than a full on stun.

Also I might suck at init management but… you need 6 for blind powder and 3 for heartseaker – totaling 9 for stealth-on-demand, to start it up (when you haven’t popped BP yet). Base init being 12, you’re only really allowed to use a skill that costs 3 init, using a skill that costs more than 3 and you have to plan how to stay alive for X amount of seconds (guess you dodge…). Though some of those builds due raise your init to 15, allowing you to get away with using skills that cost a total of 6 before doing the BP+HS combo… in the situation that you have both hide in shadow (30s) and shadow refugue (60s) down, you kind of have to plan when you’re going to do the BP+HS combo… and not just be like “kitten it! going into stealth, BP+HS!”

I guess the easiness comes with practice… but at the same time there are situation where you can’t simply stealth.

Pretty sure resetting a fight would also reset the fight for the opponent… The concept of a thief going into stealth and waiting for 3-4 seconds and all the sudden that’s considered to be a reset is kind of bizarre to me…
Just because I don’t see them for those 3-4 seconds doesn’t mean i should drop my guard and assume the fight is over/reset.. no… pretty sure they’re either planning their next strike or running the hell away – once engaged, until one of “us” is dead or so far in the distance that i can’t see their name tag, we’re still engaged. (But that’s just a personal thing)

I would also hope that the thief is still top-notch in 1v1 since that’s their niche, as useless as it maybe in all most all game types.

maneezy.5241:

I like turtles.

Oh man, I had 3 pet turtles once… I would feed them dandelions and get them to race each other. They’re so chill… I also somehow managed to teach them how to roll off their backs and back on their feet… not sure how, maybe some species of turtles can. :| My turtles were awesome, they could survive being rolled over.

Well a quick youtube search does reveal a video of a turtle rolling over.

Lumbernuts.9726:

Well, i heard were getting Rifle as a new weapon and specialization , Will that make theifs better?

Probably marginally.
All I can see it giving is a 1200 range weapon option.

the orbweaver just looks like a section of a keyboard…
:/ I’m sticking to my G15 (old kitten , and I don’t use the 18 macro keys in games) keyboard and my G9x mouse. Logitechs are nice… If they ever die on me, might try razer stuff or SteelSeries (sensei mouse).

Jana.6831:

Zero Day.2594:

Jana.6831:

Zero Day.2594:

… I don’t understand how people can play clicking on their skills…

Well, it was enough for ranger who I mained until I created my thief.
And I do have some advantages from that time – the biggest advantage to me would be that I would be able to play with my keyboard alone but I can’t.

Just get one of those weird and not comfortable looking mice with 20 thumb buttons (like Razer Naga, but there are worse…). :| Then you will be able to play with 1 hand and have one free hand to do stuff… stuff… god the internet as ruined me…

Well, I said “I have been a clicker back then”. Got a shiny razer naga hex for my birthday a year ago. I have medium sized female hands and my left hand is rather useless. I still use the keyboard for half of a movement, that’s kind of unintentionally, but I can perfectly kite with strifing – and I still do it, although I also use the mouse for turns. But since I’m used to reposition with dodges and deathblossom I still do it, well I got back to it actually, death blossom is pretty good.
And don’t bother explaining stuff you do with hands to me, all of my friends in this game are male

:| I drink with my free hand if i have a free hand… other stuff doesn’t seem to work well during gaming.
Sometimes…
Especially when reading QQ posts…
I pick my nose with my free hand.
That’s about as exciting as it gets.

(No I don’t… but i do feel dumb reading some of the posts.)