Guild Wars 2

There are not best 1v1 classes with all the hard counters the balance patches have created.

pOmf.5216:

ahuba.6430:

Because if evades were to not work while immobilized, immobilize would be an instant win vs thief, who has absolutely no way to clear immobilize. It’s already strong enough because you make the thief waste initiative. It’s working as intended.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Withdraw
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Roll_for_Initiative

I knew someone would do this but d/p sleight of hand CANT use withraw, if we drop hide in shadows we have 0 (zero, nothing) condition clear. Roll for initiative to clear immobilize ONCE every minute? Not worth it, Immobilize would still be instant win against thieves.

warriors can block
engineers can block
guardians can block
necros can deathshrowd
eles can block
rangers can evade
mesmers can evade
thieves can evade

If you’re gonna make a post about this at least make it coherent.

Why do you say “PS I’m not really interested in comments like “it will nerf <insert class name> to the ground””? So you’re only interested in comments that agree with you?
Because if evades were to not work while immobilized, immobilize would be an instant win vs thief, who has absolutely no way to clear immobilize. It’s already strong enough because you make the thief waste initiative. It’s working as intended.

ronpierce.2760:

Stogzlol.4795:

kitten conquest. That is all.

I agree with this.

As for the image of the game, I doubt it. I don’t think its that bad as is. And it has a good ground work to make a good come back. I still enjoy GW2 pvp I just hate conquest. 2v2s would just… make my life.

them double PU mesmers comps

Incurafy.6329:

Yeah, Thief teleportation is way too OP, they should be able to teleport but only 4-600 range at most, the free spammable 1200 whenever they want because of the stupidly broken initiative system is gamebreakingly OP.

Its 900 range and it’s not broken. It’s the only thing that thieves can bring that other classes don’t. Take that away and thief will be next to useless in this game.
It is not op, it’s what thieves do, it’s what anet had in mind when they were designing thief. They’re SUPPOSED to be the most mobile profession of the game.

a t s e.9614:

I agree , thieves and mesmer teleport skills should be removed from the game.

Yeah do that and watch this game dying for good because you removed one of the most unique and fun mechanics of the game.

what the kitten is wrong with these forums lately? People asking for stealth to contest points, for AI to give rallys now to remove teleports from the game rofl

Gallrvaghn.4921:

ahuba.6430:

phantasms die in like 2 hits lol
this would just make teamfights alot more random than they already are with all the rallys popping around without people knowing exactly why. Phantasms dont last more than 2 seconds in team fights, it would completely break the game.

Phantasms and clones are so easily spat out by mesmers, there’s not much of a risk or loss in trying to spam illusion generating skills whenever they’re up. They’re part of the AI clutter that infests PVP and now even the minimap but that’s a whole different topic.

Summons in this game are too much AI dependent and players abuse this system. I’m not saying they’re OP but the advantages of having so many AI running around knowing that their owners do not do much of the work other than kite them here and there because they can just auto-follow and auto attack a target to death plus the clutter and chaos and mess they cause when these AI pile up are just ridiculous.

I have no idea why quoted me since you didn’t say anything related to what i said.
I’m gonna assume you’re talking about shatter mesmer since that is the best tpvp build.
Spam illusion generating skills? You realize illusion skills are just like every other ability in the game right? I click phantasmal berserker and it can be dodge (two times, unlike other skills), blinded, interrupted, obstructed. You can’t just spam them blindly and run away. Not to mention that most of the damage doesnt come from illusions but from shattering, so tell me how mesmers can just spam illusions and auto attack and run away to win? If you loose to a mesmer doing that I have bad news for you…

Mesmer is not an AI class, when you first encounter the mesmer he has 0 clones. You can tell the different skill animations to look for phantasm summons and interrupt/blind/dodge that. Then, even if you don’t dodge the summon, there is still time to see the illusion show up and react in time to dodge the animation and there you go, the illusion does nothing for the following seconds.

silentnight warrior.2714:

1) You should be able to ress if you manage to get down a AI pet / Phantasm / spirit weapon / turrets. The reason behind this is the AI makes to much damage / control to a player that sometimes the player that “control” the AI almost dont have to do almost nothing to win the fight. If the AI kills you, you should be able to ress if you kill the AI.

phantasms die in like 2 hits lol
this would just make teamfights alot more random than they already are with all the rallys popping around without people knowing exactly why. Phantasms dont last more than 2 seconds in team fights, it would completely break the game.

Incurafy.6329:

ahuba.6430:

brannigan.9810:

One of the dumbest ideas ever.

And I play thief so don’t come with that “hurr you just hate thief” argument.
D/D can perma stealth.
D/P can stealth for like 30 seconds even without shadow arts. So no, it will never happen.

Uhhh no, D/P pseudo-permastealth is being nerfed next patch and D/D can’t get it unless they’re fighting someone who doesn’t know how to dodge or fighting a pet build. Even so, a Thief chaining CnD on a point isn’t capping it because their opponent will be on the point anyway.

I’m still waiting to hear a good reason why Thieves shkuldnt be able to contest in stealth besides “lol fief char in stelth is op day r invuln cos u cant kill somethin u cant c!!!”

did i say d/p perma stealth? d/p even wihout perma stealth can stealth for that long with the smoke field + heartseeker + refuge + increased inititative regen on december + optional utilities.
d/d can stealth forever by just chaining cnd when stealth wears off. A thief in stealth isnt capping but is contesting, preventing the cap for the other team.

If you can’t see by yourself why it would be a bad idea i don’t know what to tell you lol
Imagine your team is closing in on the 500 point mark and the other team is at 450 with a 2 cap. They need a 3 cap ASAP and then they go to far point to make the clutch play of their lives and decap! BUUUT there’s a thief there and instant shadow refuge!

Honestly how can you not see? Thieves would become impossible to debunk 1v1 lol

immobilize has a counter? zomg arenanet fix!

Sanduskel.1850:

Don’t listen to the vocal minority. Thieves are fine and will get better next patch. the howls you are hearing are from baddies who relied on cheesy specs and want their OP specs to remain. I still enjoy my thief and look forward to the patch. welcome back.

what he said. d/p sleight of hand is already pretty strong in the right hands, and it will be stronger after the december patch. All the thieves you see complaining are d/p perma stealth abusers and s/d easy mode aficionados. Plus, s/d will still be good, but people have gotten used to spam dodges and #3 without any thought and they will have to make the transition into thinking about what they are doing once again, which can be hard I guess.

Mindtrick.5190:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJCRQMifC8k

Someone say huttball?

I think swtor got soloq right and that’s a new feature they added to arena.
It looks at professions and spec, you don’t end up with 4 dagger pistol hero thieves.

its worse when you end up with 4 useless dagger dagger one shot trick ponies

the game recognized your portal plays

brannigan.9810:

One of the dumbest ideas ever.

And I play thief so don’t come with that “hurr you just hate thief” argument.
D/D can perma stealth.
D/P can stealth for like 30 seconds even without shadow arts. So no, it will never happen.

i got the mask and never went back because the tower is just the same old boring uninteresting zerg content with 5 minute side instances with the same old aetherblade/twisted crap trash mobs.

I’ll tell you what a P/D thief is. It’s a useless spec for your team, that takes 30sec+ to kill its targets meanwhile whoever the opponent is manages to cap the point because P/D is always in stealth. There you go. That is the reason P/D has never worked and will never work in tpvp. A single target, attrition build (30 seconds + to kill whoever) that gets stomped by anyone with half a clue what they’re doing.
And I’m not even gonna talk about your mention to Death blossom builds lol the apex of bad, poorly designed condition builds. Pure Attrition builds have never worked in tpvp.

Edit: I play d/p thief and shatter mesmer. And played P/D extensively till december on wvw till I realized it sucked and that i was only killing scrubs.

TheGuy.3568:

A small chime in. I do not think condi both CC and Damaging are bad for the game. The issue is that they are easy to spam and are too capable of building defensively. There are many solutions but the easiest would likely be adding in more skills in like Berserker Stance where there are opportunitites not to be snared to death and fight back.

We do not need to do away with conditions as they are inherently part of the game. I think P/D and DD Death Blossom are pretty much what condi specs should be. Annoying but not the most potent dps out there. I think when you add in all the Malboro level bad breath spamming it feels like an uphill battle.

I think Dec 10th’s balance changes might help but overall condis probably need to be reworked require both condition duration and condi damage for any sort of strong DPS. If they add in diminishing returns on all CC then I think we might be on the right path.

so you want condition builds to suck is that it? condition builds (meta condition builds) are over the top, but those you mentioned completely suck.

please just make all auras/footsteps/trails disappear in combat.

Jayne.9251:

Banned? You mean player set rules or I zone in and they don’t function? Of course I’d adhere to the rules, just curious.

And yeah, I’m expecting to faceplant my fair share before I adapt. I just wanted to know some basics (thank you all!) so I was an asset to the team and not, say, running the wrong way

yes player set rules. usually these servers are 1v1 servers king of the hill. winner stays on the map and plays against the next guy.

if you’re really just looking for 1v1’s to get better for wvw, then just play 5v5 hotjoins. Don’t play 8v8! just don’t. Also, there are some duel servers and there are some good players there, but you won’t play as often. Also, read rules of duel servers before playing because some skills are banned, and alot of mesmer stuff is usually banned banned(like prismatic understanding builds or moa). Also, you won’t win 1v2s 1v3s like you do in wvw. 1v3s are pretty much impossible and 1v2s only if you play your best game and your opponents are terrible.

Idk if you want tips on the mesmer class or not, but I’ll say that i also play mesmer and i find that the best weapon set and build for this meta is greatsword/staff shatter mesmer. It gives you the best balance between defence/offence and z axis mobility with phase retreat.
PS: About phase retreat, there are some places in pvp maps where if you use phase retreat against a wall, you will teleport to the top of that wall (on SOME walls, not all of them), like the stairs that lead to the side points on spirit watch and the stairs that lead to the mid point on skybummer. If you want to know more, I’m sure guys like sensotix would be more than glad to tell you on all of the spots.

PillageYourVillage.7548:

Peow peow.2189:

Hi

I just started this game and I am playing a warrior. Whenever I see people in the mists pvp they spam me when i beat them saying im playing an easy class.

Why do they act this way? Is something wrong with the warrior?

No dont worry. Im one of the best fighter warriors on the battlefield but that doesnt come easily. Its not such such a noob class as thieves you have to sharpen your skills and your wisdom in order to succeed.
Ive had to chain up to three attacks to kill some tankier targets, it really gets tough sometimes but its important not to lose hope!
It can be pretty hard to evaluate the situation right, say you get engaged by a thief you have to choose what skills to 3-hit him with. Sometimes you also have to stunlock your enemy to death and wait for them to die of old age.

Also you might consider buying one of those rubber keyboards: http://www.sizlopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/usb-rubber-keyboard.jpg

The plastic buttons of regular keyboards can hurt your face after a while

such wise words. it’s really good to see how, we, warrior players can give such wise advices.

Incurafy.6329:

All serious PvP players know that the Warrior class has the highest skill cap in the game and needs some serious buffs before it’s going to be viable in the current cc-condi-bunker heavy meta. The kids who cry that the class needs to be nerfed have no idea and are just jumping on the bandwagon by not rolling Warriors because they enjoy rolling their faces across the keyboards.

tl;dr: Warriors are UP and need some serious buffs, duh!

yep. completely agree. this is why since warrior became such a high skill cap class every serious pvper of this game has come back! we have never had as much people pvping as we have these day, and it’s all because warrior is such an hard, challenging class to play. best class i have seen in any mmo.

so, we all have to get condi clears stunbreaks AND stability just because of warrior? and you think that is fine? lol

Bacon.4918:

ahuba.6430:

mesmer damage doesn’t come from AI lol!

This is so obviously untrue. Even in shatter spec you ideally allow the phantasm to perform 1 attack at least before shattering.

ahuba.6430:

phantasms are a worse, harder to land version of backstab lol!

Yes, because it’s so hard to land a skill that has 1200 range!?!? And this is in comparison backstab which has a range of 130 and doesn’t even prioritize your selected target.

i don’t think you know what an AI is. the phantasms are not intelligent, they do the same thing EVERYTIME. They’re just like every other skills, you press a button, damage comes out, except than not only there’s a cast time, but the phantasms themselves have a wind up. they’re like, the easiest things to dodge in this game. If your opponent isn’t a total idiot, they will dodge it, unless you get creative with your burst.
Backstab? You have 3 seconds to position yourself, and you can spam it until it hits, while your enemy can’t see you. It’s like the complete opposite, a very telegraphed skills vs the least telegraphed skill in the game (NOT telegraphed at all).

Demonts.4593:

Mesmers are completely OP when it comes to teamfight damage considering the mobility they have as well. Eles can as well have way mroe AOE damage than thieves and they can sustain more damage as well. Burst theives have very little effect on a teamfight. Mesmer’s should really stop complaining. especially with how easy their class is… 90% of damage comes from AI lol!

mesmer damage doesn’t come from AI lol! most of it comes from shatter lol! maybe you mean phantasms lol! except phantasms are a worse, harder to land version of backstab lol! because no only the cast times are pretty long but the phantasms first stand still before attacking lol!

infantrydiv.1620:

You are right. Portal is OP as balls. We need to put a 1200 range limit on it.

lol? portal is fine, it makes for the best plays this game has to offer and if you put a 1200 range on it you kill it. its SUPPOSED to be a portal, why should it have leap range?

you guys want to know whats crazy? dps guards. holy kitten such damage

yeah the floating damage is a bit bad here. Every number just crops up together

how can you people enjoy this? lol its the same thing over and over and over. and the story is so bad. that final cut-scene was like “YOU DON’T SAY, WHAT A PLOT TWIST”. It’s the same old zerg content filled with trash mobs, with small instances inside it, also filled with trash, uninteresting mobs…

edit: like this is probably the worst story i’ve seen in videogames i’ve played. Shes walks away (literally she just walked LOL) everytime. I swear she says the same thing everytime “good job getting here hurr durr you’ve surpassed my expectations hurr durr and now i’m gonna leave hurrrr but ill be back to get you ah ah ah ah”. cmon anet lol

condition builds aren’t tanky dps atm. They’re extreme dps while being tanky, they aren’t in a middle ground. Support skills? Tell me a build that takes support skills in this meta. Do you remember the power meta? IoL? Portal? In the power meta there was team play and support skills meant something. All your points are just wrong.

I only play when the skins are worth the time. So i played to get the slick backpack and now playing to get the head piece. The LS is bad, it’s boring and the story is uninteresting. And this tower thing is a complete 1/5. Nothing is new, is always zerg here zerg there.

fodem.2713:

Mesmers have a good burst, they don’t even need to know where you are to attack you, just put their clones and get away….
Mesmers have more stealth than thieves and when they are not in stealth they can use their skills to be invul….
Mesmers have portal and can turn someone in a chicken, so let’s recap…

dude you should think before writing this kind of stuff.
The tpvp meta build is shatter mesmer, so NO mesmer “puts their clones and gets away”. Because you need to shatter, you need to look for los etc etc. Mesmers have more stealth than thieves? What game are you playing? And moa? NO ONE uses moa playing seriously lol

Back in my day, prestigious skins were the ones you would get from beating hard, challenging content. Funny enough there will never be any of this in guild wars 2, because 1) there is no hard content, 2) good looking skins will always go to the gem shop.

you forgot to add rifle/sword-warhorn

what.
Mesmers bring alot more reliable damage than thief. Mesmers have huge ranged dps, and only when thief is on the executioner steroid and the heartseeker 25% hp threshold does it have more dps than mesmer. The only reason mesmer doesnt bring portal and IoL is because of the condition meta. The second power builds become viable again you’ll see mesmer bringing those again.

In a power meta, every team would use a mesmer, much more than thieves. Thieves viable burst builds don’t do that much burst damage anymore.

So, bottom line is, thieves don’t have the better burst at all times. Thieves have the best roaming and disengaging abilities because they’re supposed to be the better roamers, and are the squishiest of the classes. Mesmers aren’t roamers.

did it in full berserker in probably less than half the time it took you to do it

how exactly does someone burn and doesn’t get burnt? It’s ridiculous, it’s almost as if it was a video game LOL

hello, thief is one of the better classes to solo trash mobs

I heard you like solo q…

oh god.
please no trails and footsteps zzz

just felt like the same old to me. nothing interesting so far

carebear tears hmmm i like it, bring me another

i almost read this post, but then i saw you posted a vid of the twilight of animes.

So, wheres your idea? lol
Devs already said they are working on new game modes, so…

I’m currently playing d/p thief the most after playing shatter mesmer for most of october. Before that i played alot of engineer till before the condition disaster meta. Before that I played alot of d/d ele till it was nerfed to oblivion.
So I have a close game distribution between ele/thief/engineer, mesmer a close 2nd and haven’t really played much of the other 4 classes, although I’m thinking about starting to play dps guardian because I have no idea how it works and I’m getting my kitten handed to me by good guardians. Playing so many classes kinda stops your leader board progression, but I prefer fun over kitten :d

It’s the best thing about gw2 and the main reason why i think this game has the potential to come from this completely stale state of pvp, how you can play whatever you want at any time.

Ryan.9387:

Did you kniw about thief clusterbombing the ranger steal? If anything is op it is that aoe 2k hps (heal and regen NOT included) combo.

It’s a 1320 heal, lying doesnt make your point any stronger.

Turret just needs a bigger cast time.

Why would we want achievements? It brings nothing for a pvp exclusive player

Valentin.2073:

ahuba.6430:

Valentin.2073:

ahuba.6430:

Valentin.2073:

yeah, i don’t play tpvp. i just took this screenshot a couple of hours ago. all i hear from you is nothing but condescending comments. i wonder why they haven’t banned you yet.

why would they ban me for saying the truth? You have 29 tpvp games since leaderboards were released. Jesus man, so much bs coming out from you…

this thread is not even about me yet you attack me directly. i’ve been reading your posts and i noticed that they always get deleted. i never said i’m a professional mmorpg player. truth is this is the first mmorpg i played and i’m already thinking about quitting. there is just too much rudeness amongst players here. they won’t even let new players have fun and play.

new players want to use strong builds too so that they can enjoy pvp but you guys treat us as if we have no right to express our thoughts and opinions.

everything is easy to play in gw2, if people have trouble playing the classes of gw2 they are hopeless. But theres easy to play and then theres absolutely faceroll plays itself specs… And yeah, new players should have easy to grasp specs, but not at the expense of the fun of others. Playing against minion necros and spirit rangers has been the worst dueling experience i’ve had in mmo pvp.

have you ever thought that most players just want this game as casual as it is? nobody is stopping you to play your high-end tourneys but most of us really don’t care. we treat a strong build like a toy that’s fun to play with.

i’m just asking what makes you think that your class takes more skill to play than a spirit ranger. thank you.

1st. Casual doesn’t mean builds carrying bad players.
2nd. Most players hate the current state of the game and the things that are defining the meta. One of those things is… spirit ranger.
3rd. Symbolic has already explained what is wrong with spirit rangers and why it’s such a low skill cap spec. If after reading that you still don’t understand… Idk, keep enjoying this broken game and playing a 0 challenge spec.

Valentin.2073:

ahuba.6430:

Valentin.2073:

yeah, i don’t play tpvp. i just took this screenshot a couple of hours ago. all i hear from you is nothing but condescending comments. i wonder why they haven’t banned you yet.

why would they ban me for saying the truth? You have 29 tpvp games since leaderboards were released. Jesus man, so much bs coming out from you…

this thread is not even about me yet you attack me directly. i’ve been reading your posts and i noticed that they always get deleted. i never said i’m a professional mmorpg player. truth is this is the first mmorpg i played and i’m already thinking about quitting. there is just too much rudeness amongst players here. they won’t even let new players have fun and play.

new players want to use strong builds too so that they can enjoy pvp but you guys treat us as if we have no right to express our thoughts and opinions.

everything is easy to play in gw2, if people have trouble playing the classes of gw2 they are hopeless. But theres easy to play and then theres absolutely faceroll plays itself specs… And yeah, new players should have easy to grasp specs, but not at the expense of the fun of others. Playing against minion necros and spirit rangers has been the worst dueling experience i’ve had in mmo pvp.

Valentin.2073:

yeah, i don’t play tpvp. i just took this screenshot a couple of hours ago. all i hear from you is nothing but condescending comments. i wonder why they haven’t banned you yet.

why would they ban me for saying the truth? You have 29 tpvp games since leaderboards were released. Jesus man, so much bs coming out from you…

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

i say that we all need to respect other professions/builds. i see people cry OP every time they get beaten and they would lash out mean words, when they could have chosen a different route to survive.

I tried spirit ranger too and guess what? When i kill someone good after an intense fight with mesmer it usually ends up with gg, nice play and so on (Same if i get killed by someone playing skillfully) but when i went for a couple of runs with spirit ranger i still killed ppl (With no effort and not even knowing wtf i was doing, not even skill’s effects..just spamming and that’s it) but i felt dumb playing something so facepalm op and for sure noone whispered me “nice fight” cause i was winning versus way way more skilled ppl (Compared to me on freakin ranger) just because of my build…

After some runs i obviously deleted spirit ranger..i’d rather lose playing my class good than winning just mashing my keyboard while facerolling pretty much everything around just beacuse of the build i’m running…as i said before spirit ranger doesn’t even have a skill floor\ceiling..you’re just another spirit ranger, playing it is so easy then there’s no way to play it bad..

i don’t believe you. you are obviously lying. i don’t get it why people like you are allowed to post some BS just to prove their point.

yup i know it’s hard to believe that someone actually dislikes dumb specs and winning without skills…so far i know many who don’t want to play spirit ranger cause it’s dumb and boring sticking to “almost out of meta” specs just because they’re fun to play and only rewarding if you play good but we’re probably playing with different ppl…anyway i bet noone you killed ever pm’ed you “nice fight, you’re really good” while playing spirit ranger…am i wrong?

there were some warriors and guardians who complimented me after i beat them 1v1. you’re just one of those few people who lack any sense of sportsmanship.

Yeah..warriors..and really high ranked i suppose..obviously assuming you’re talking about tpvp how the kitten did a bunker guardian manage to lose vs a spirit ranger 1vs1 it’s beyond me btw..

And believe me i’m the first saying gg to someone who gets me because he’s playing good..many eles, engis, other mesmers..even thieves…but there’s no way to meet a skilled spirit ranger cause, as i said many times, it doesn’t require skills..

then you were obviously bluffing when you said that you tried to play a spirit ranger because any decent spirit ranger can easily destroy a bunker guardian. please stop lying and start making substantial arguments.

Never got downed by a spirit ranger once with bunker guardian…you can keep up for more than one minute if you’re just decent…

try a spirit ranger wearing soldier amulet instead of those who wear carrion or settler. a spirit ranger with a soldier amulet has 3.1 k attack 2.9 k damage and 24.5 k hp. do you even know that?

And you know that power is the worst way to go vs any bunker right? And hp are meaningless, you will never die vs a bunker guard..but if you can’t decap you already lost..

I have to ask you a question..what rank are you? Just curiosity..

i’m rank 40.

he’s an hotjoin hero, he doesnt play tpvp