Guild Wars 2

Drafigo.4690:

RoRo.8270:

EverythingEnds.4261:

Same problem here.
Especially when 1 team gets 2-3 guards/bunkers and the other one has none.

Can’t the MM system give both teams one of each profession, if there’s 2 times the same prof?

This is a player problem. Players can easily switch to other characters before the match starts, but everyone wants to do their own thing.

I believe I read somewhere last patch or the one before that you cannot change. ONce you enter a match at all you cannot make character changes. Someone even told me yesterday that you can no long swap weapons or skills including elites before the match starts one you accept and log in to the match. Maybe someone can confirm this.

you can switch as you please

30/0/0/30/10 rabid amulet engie
explosives-forceful explosives, incendiary powder, grenadier
alchemy-invigorating speed, backpack regenerator, automated response
tools-speedy kits
grenade kid, bomb kit and you can choose the third. i usually go with tool kit because the pull makes me feel good but you can take elixir s or elixir gun or rocket boots and they will all fit in some way. i use 5 nightmare runes and a necromancer rune (maybe there is a better rune setup but idk) and geomancy and corruption sigils.

Its a little demanding mechanically but once you get used to all the button dancing its actually a little faceroll(even tho it as an high skill ceiling), but its very effective and fun.

EDIT: regarding the post above mine; While hgh is simpler in mechanics, it’s a lot harder staying alive and with all the boon steal going around it’s not really a good build these days.

Slim.3024:

Sensotix.4106:

I really tried to stay as objective as possible but then again this post gets ruined by pve and wvw people.. :/ it’s sad
some actually provided nice feedback and suggestions but they also got destroyed by pve and wvw guys

In which universe are your responses objective, my friend?

You pretty much call posts like “I agree with the op just ’cause I can” some “nice feedback” and ignore anything else and actually try to belittle it with condescending remarks.

he is the op kitten

this thread is now about the 30/30/30/30/30 mesmer build

Slim.3024:

Sensotix.4106:

ahuba.6430:

silentnight warrior.2714:

Sensotix.4106:

silentnight warrior.2714:

I play all classes you said (warrior, mesmer and thief) and i see the mesmer with more issues with balancing than warrior in what you call risk vs reward.

really? hows that
please explain it a little bit

With mesmer you can fight without fight, do you know what i mean? (Phantasms, clones) Blurred frenzy (no risk/high reward every 10/12 seconds) are just examples

yeah, that works if you’re using a phantasm spec (which sucks) and playing against idiots. if you played mesmer like you say you do, you’d know most mesmers play shatter and that the phantasms are maybe 1/3 of the damage.

I have to agree here…you are talking about zerker phantasm which is just not viable in tournys atm and with shatter you let your phantasms attack once before shattering

I don’t know where the notion comes from that phantasms deal no damage in shatter builds. Reality is that phantasm damage is always the top damage entry on your death breakdown against even a shatter mesmer.

Apparently most mesmers don’t realize that though. Mesmer is the one class that deals so much damage out of nowhere as no other and the shatter itself is just a very small portion of the total.

As far as phantasms dying, yeah, they absolutely can in certain team scenarios. But if they hit even once, they are already easily dealing more damage than whatever weapon skill another class would use for that cool down.

Blurred Frenzy – super high reward for almost no risk. 2.5s evade on a 10s CD

Distortion – up to 4 second immunity to condi, power and CC, which you can even have back to back for up to 8 seconds with a trait in a line that you invest 30 in anyway. This is the equivalent of a warrior using Berserker Stance, Balanced Stance and Endure pain by the way.

How is that for risk vs. reward?

I’m sorry but if a mesmer killed you with phantasms then he sucks because he cant land shatters, and YOU suck harder for beeing hit by phantasms till dead against a shatter mesmer. You got two chances to see phantasm skills coming, the animation casted and the phantasm animation itself. A well landed 3 clones + player body shatter can hit for 8k+ damage. That is hardly “a very small portion”.

And blurred frenzy has risk, specially against a warrior. We have to get into melee range to use it properly. Mesmer is a glass canon, melee against a warrior is a risk. It’s much safer to use staff.
You can’t compare Distortion with warrior stances, it is not equivalent to anything. Distortion actually has a drawback, strips us of all our clones (we loose both defense and offense), unlike warriors, that just press zerker stance/endure pain and keep tunneling you down and rolling their face on their keyboards.
And let’s not mention how the difference in mechanical demands of each class…

Amir.1570:

Distortion = Berserker Stance, Balanced Stance, Endure Pain.

Amir.1570:

Because in all honesty, how is Mesmer different from Warriors right now? That Mesmers take more skill? No sorry that is ignorance

Ok, im outta here lol
“You can’t compare Distortion with warrior stances, it is not equivalent to anything. Distortion actually has a drawback, strips us of all our clones (we loose both defense and offense), unlike warriors, that just press zerker stance/endure pain and keep tunneling you down and rolling their face on their keyboards.”
There is a big difference from warrior stances and mesmer distortion. A mesmer with distortion is a non threatening 0 clone predictable mesmer. A warrior with the right stance on is an unstoppable tunneling machine.

PS: And we are not playing martyr, mesmer is also op. but at least teams have never stacked mesmers and they have never defined a meta on their own and actually take some level of skill and positioning to play.

silentnight warrior.2714:

Sensotix.4106:

silentnight warrior.2714:

I play all classes you said (warrior, mesmer and thief) and i see the mesmer with more issues with balancing than warrior in what you call risk vs reward.

really? hows that
please explain it a little bit

With mesmer you can fight without fight, do you know what i mean? (Phantasms, clones) Blurred frenzy (no risk/high reward every 10/12 seconds) are just examples

yeah, that works if you’re using a phantasm spec (which sucks) and playing against idiots. if you played mesmer like you say you do, you’d know most mesmers play shatter and that the phantasms are maybe 1/3 of the damage.

yeah because pvp in gw2 is serius businuss and your mmr is very important and people should not try to have fun in their classes. srs bsns

id rather have this on the future ladder ranks than rewarding the current rank grind.

eles are bad ok. other professions have been there too. pointless thread

Kuzzi.2198:

I find it sad how rude the community on the forums is to the players who choose to play the game for achievements.

i find it rude how people who play for achievements think that achievements are for them alone and that people who play regular pvp dont deserve APs for them to get the Achievement point gear

its a little irrelevant, unless you are part of the 1% that for some reasons grinds out aps

garethh.3518:

Good communication is good.

GW2 is actually not even getting mildly better though… or even faster patches
So…
Take from that what you will.

I have no idea how you have so much free time that you say the same thing over and over and over and over on these forums every single day. for as much as i agree with you or you are right, its a very strange behavior.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

ahuba.6430:

Valentin.2073:

Spirit Rangers are still in Tier One. Live with it. (evil laugh)

and they are still a cancer

like hambow warriors, auto-response engis, and condi necros.

yep except spirit rangers besides being a faceroll easy mode invention they also clutter the screen with 7 bodies. its really like a cancer, the number just keeps getting bigger

Valentin.2073:

Spirit Rangers are still in Tier One. Live with it. (evil laugh)

and they are still a cancer

Cynz.9437:

try d/d thief xD

there’s a difference in being hard to play because it takes skill and being hard to play because the weapons/build suck. Which is the case of theif d/d, it’s a bad weapon set that just sucks.

none. some classes have more complex mechanics (like mesmer and engineer) but once you get that down, the skills you need to succeed at this game are the same for every class. except for some of the current meta builds

Hype.8032:

Dee Jay.2460:

And S/D…to be honest….I’m not noticing the changes.

If you didn’t notice changes to IR then you haven’t played s/d yet. Just try messing around with the npc warrior in the mists… that kittener will chain stun you 4 times in a row. You don’t notice a difference? Not a good troll dude….

zomg you mean s/d now actually has to dodge stuns like every other class in the game? WHAT?!!

anet doesnt remove it because of ego

I really doubt that the matchmaking looks to balance the classes since the queue is account bound, as in, you can swap to any toon before the match starts.

yeah its a bad decision and it takes back something that was unique to gw2’s pvp comparing to other mmos: the level playing field. Even if its not a major unbalance, I can’t try all the new heals by myself to better know how to counter them when I’m up against them. And that was something that gw2 was perfect in.

Immensus.9732:

I know that probably has been a post like that previously but dont get me wrong, downed state is very useful in Dungeon and generally PvE and in many occasions in WvW, but is completely annoying and useless in PvP. For example something that happened to everyone, you were dueling someone and you beat him while he`s on downed state you are trying to finish him and someone else takes advantage of your low health and defeats you and you neither got a kill or had the time to escape because you were busy FINISHING THE PREVIOUS PLAYER!!! i mean what??? and thats just one example of why downed state doesnt have place to an intense game feature such as PvP! Anet if you want your game to have at least a chance in Esports little things like that, have to change!

Never gonna happen. Downed state is fine. This is a team game and you don’t defeat an opponent until you stomp them. Until you haven’t done that, there will be a chance that a team mate will come and turn the fight around.

Downed state demands quick and smart thinking in team fights and it’s an integral part of gw2. I suggest you get used to downed state and understand the great plays that can be made with it.

clint.5681:

Down state is stupid in pvp, when some dies they should be dead unless your teammate has a res signet.

When you are in down state you aren’t dead yet.

Divinity.8041:

I think 10 is still too low. Should be 15 or 20 to be honest.

15 probs though.

“1 close 1 animal 1 far rest mid” LOL

Jasher.6580:

You only need to complete 4 of them. And you can simply use the same 4 you had to complete before. I am utterly confused. Am I missing something here?

These ap farmers don’t understand that not everything has to cater to their needs, as in, not everything can be handed to them. They’re mad that there’s a daily that rewards pvp’ers and not just the gw2 standard farmer/zerger.

You ap farmers need to realize something. The Achievement points don’t belong to you, YOU made it YOUR obsession! Since achievement points now award skins, it’s no longer only interesting for people who farm it, there’s a reason for other people to get to 3k or 6k achievements, and among those people are the regular pvpers that deserver the skins just as much as you and for whom these new dailies are easy to complete and come naturally. Achievement points DO NOT belong to you. I’m pretty sure these dailies were made to rewards PVP PLAYERS, not you that already have 10k+ achievements, but THE PVP PLAYERS that are playing since release and have 2k achievement points.

Valentin.2073:

ahuba.6430:

Valentin.2073:

let the ele’s be viable again. they need this. necro has been on top of the food chain far too long.

i wonder if i can play ele well… mmm…

No, this won’t make eles nowhere near viable, the trait sucks. It makes eles a no skill hard counter to necros, but also makes them absolute crap against power builds because eles will have an useless 30 point trait investment against power builds. This is just bad game design. Its complete rock paper scissors and a perfect example of why good players quit this game. This trait is just complete awful. There is nothing a necro can do against this, no matter how bad the ele is, the ele will win this match up.

even if i use a MM build?

i think its pretty obvious i was talking about the condi meta necromancer….

Valentin.2073:

let the ele’s be viable again. they need this. necro has been on top of the food chain far too long.

i wonder if i can play ele well… mmm…

No, this won’t make eles nowhere near viable, the trait sucks. It makes eles a no skill hard counter to necros, but also makes them absolute crap against power builds because eles will have an useless 30 point trait investment against power builds. This is just bad game design. Its complete rock paper scissors and a perfect example of why good players quit this game. This trait is just complete awful. There is nothing a necro can do against this, no matter how bad the ele is, the ele will win this match up.

You still got the old dailies, why are you freaking out?

I’m sorry this is ridiculous. The nerve of you ap farmers to think that you SHOULD be able to get ALL possible daily APs, and that anet should cater to your farming needs, instead of also giving pvp players means to get aps (tell me how much aps are there to get in pve vs in pvp?). I know pvp players are a minority, but there are people that don’t touch pve at all and that deserve the achievement points chests too.

i think this has now become a feature

Valentin.2073:

jmatb.6307:

Qaelyn please don’t take any build links Valentin posts seriously the guy does not have any real experience in team queues, hasn’t competed in tournaments, and constantly trolls the forums

yeah right. i was on top 800 in teamq before the reset, dude. i’ve already played more than 100 tourney games and i just had 5 straight wins earlier on my necro in tpvp. i may no longer be in leaderboards now because of inactivity but i do know what i’m talking about.

DUDE! You were in the top 800 (IN NA LOL) with 7 wins and 5 losses!!!!! ROFL and you are bragging about it…

i just love s/d thief tears

Arganthium.5638:

Chicago Jack.5647:

…noob friendly…

…S/D teef does not need to worry about positioning because it’s virtually impossible to get them to peel.

I see that you’ve never played S/D before, or, at least, played one recently.

what? he isn’t wrong lol even if not as easy as many other cheesy builds, s/d still is pretty easy and positioning doesn’t matter much. It’s probably the most skillful meta build atm, and that should tell you how ridiculous the meta is right now rofl

its fine as it is. if i queue up on mesmer i may want to switch to some other class to balance the team.

Writetyper.1985:

ahuba.6430:

yeah dps guardian is pretty strong with alot of instant huge burst damage, which is kinda cheap. I’d dare to say that they have the highest instant burst damage in the game atm.

What even is this post? The only instant burst guards have is JI (does about 500 damage on a crit), and smite condition (does about 2.3k with a condition on a crit).

i meant instant as in an instant moment in time lol For example the focus 5, cast mace 2, smite condition mid cast and that’s like, potential 15k damage from 3 skills delivered at the same time. I meant instant as in the same time frame not the activation time.

yeah dps guardian is pretty strong with alot of instant huge burst damage, which is kinda cheap. I’d dare to say that they have the highest instant burst damage in the smallest time frame of the game atm.

just compare the human mesmer greatsword #4 animation with the asura animation

Lordrosicky.5813:

It is the worst skill in the game by design.

“Hey guys, here is a heal which only heals you when you get hit!”

Sure so that is what you want to do when needing to heal?? Be hit Really?

The purpose of the skill isn’t getting hit, the passive heal is supposed to be just a little passive bonus. You’re completely ignoring the active part, which is what I think arena net really wanted to bring up with this skill. And the active mechanic seems really good and fun, maybe the numbers are too low but the skill looks promising.

I don’t understand all this QQ necros are making, you guys got an incredibly strong heal and if this one ends up being too bad I’m sure Anet will buff it.

Urejt.5648:

10v10 gvg incommin

Nope, not in a million years, keep that disease in wvw pease.

pve’rs dont make 5g an hour. farmers and tp flippers do.

ronpierce.2760:

What specifically did John say about the heal? I’m really curious, cause I’m glad to hear they know its bad…

he said it would be super strong in team fights for spiking down targets, that it will add an additional 6k damage to said target.
The idea is there, i just dont think it will work right now.

Ok, so aftermath of the twitch preview.

Mesmer heal will be too strong on PU mesmers, just too strong, they will be unkillable. They don’t show up much on tpvp but some of us like to roam wvw and we get them every now and then, and 300 hps passively is just too much.

Ele heal seemed a little bad but karl probably had some rushed up spec on so it was hard to judge the healing based on damage. Seems more of a pve heal with that blast finisher. The arcane wave change tho, it it is still instant damage with no travel time, its broken…

The engineer heal… There’s not much to say. Bunker engineers everywhere, 12k heal? really? Even with the 45 second cd…

The necro heal might not be as bad as I was thinking. The concept is really good, maybe power/well necros will be a thing now? The meta could use something that actually requires coordination and attention to your surroundings for once…

Guadian heal also sounds good, high risk-high reward, miss it = you’re dead.

I couldnt see if warriors got any animation with their heal or if we’ll have to look at buff bar to spot the heal. In case there’s an animation its a good heal, if there’s no animation and we have to look at the buff bar, it’s bad. I don’t want to have to look through the “You got a capture point!” announcer spam. Either way, it would be a far more enjoyable fight if warriors used this over healing signet.

The spirit heal looks bad, and i hope it is bad, for obvious reasons…

Venom heal is a good team fight/coordination concept. But it won’t be enough to make venomshare a thing. Also that cd is too much…

Overall not as bad as I was expecting and I’m kind of relieved. Hope this takes the game to a better state. Only the engie heal and the mesmer one seemed like too much to me.

PS: I have a suggestion to reduce the clutter caused by spirit rangers (I can’t post on forums anymore, so if anyone likes it and wants to make a suggestion thread, go for it, I’d do it myself if I could).
What if the spirits, instead of summoning another npc, gave a buff to the ranger’s pet (ex: Wolf), and all the spirit buffs were applied to that pet? Then the actives caused that pet to do the standard animations.

Amityel.5324:

2vs2 and 3vs3 arenas are coming?

you really want that? are you aware that deathmatch will still have all the problems of conquest times 100? Have you heard of PU mesmers?
All of you craving for deathmatch are in for quite a ride

Valentin.2073:

Hambow is not easy to play. You have to use your berserker stance wisely and make sure you land your cc’s and attacks well. Mellee class is never easy. People overestimate this class really bad. I hope people will stop calling a class OP just because they don’t know how to counter it.

lol this post would be perfect as a troll, but knowing you, I know you’re 100% serious. God kitten it, you’re gonna get me forum banned again because of all the nonsense you say bro. Stop pls

take your pick.
Super cheese category: Hambow warrior, spirit ranger, s/d thief, condi necro.

Cheese but not as strong as before mentioned cheese: mm necro, pu mesmer(our new overlords of cheese past 10th december).

Traits/builds/skills that will continue to further make this game a piece of kitten: Diamond skin, fresh air, signet of vampirism, mesmer new signet, automated response.

As you see, you got a lot of options if you really want to explore all the cheesy mechanics of gw2. Have fun with this awesome game!

EDIT: Like the guy above me said, its all cheesy atm. Even less known and not as good specs, such as interrupt mesmer, are about complete cheese and rng.

i just had a game against 2 spirit rangers and a mm necro. Do you think it was worth it?

This game is a joke, every single meta build is a joke. I don’t think i have ever had such a frustrating pvp experience as I’m having in this game currently. And arena net won’t do anything about it, it’s pretty clear that the game is in the direction they wan’t it to be, or else they wouldn’t be adding another spirit and more passive heals and traits. This game is dead.

PS: Can’t wait for deathmatch to show even more how severe the balance problems of this game are.

Brando.1374:

Asomal.6453:

ahuba.6430:

Signet of vampirism is another winner! Take 350 damage for HITTING THEM? Worse, they heal for 300 health points? This is the new worst skill in the game now, this is healing signet made worse. Thieves will probably die from hitting the necro alone LOL

My thoughts, exactly. I guess if I’m playing my thief and I see a Necro/Mesmer with the new skills, I’ll just run.

if you hit us for 1-100k we will only be able to heal for 300 and damage you for 350.
you should be able to burst us down or hit us hard enough so that this heal will be ineffective.

yeah if we hit you for 100k damage we win. I was seeing things wrong, I’m sorry.
…
Thieves in spvp are like the 4th highest burst atm. Our burst isnt strong anymore, necros were already a hard matchup for use where 1 fear, 1 condition burst would loose us the fight. Against this signet? Yeah….
Who knows, the signet might end up sucking, but it’s still stupid.

what. the. kitten.

These heals either suck or are way too strong rofl

Water spirit sucks (if the proc has a 10 second icd has i understood it), defiant stance isn’t clear, but it won’t be anywhere near healing signet, the guardian heal sucks and the ele heal sucks even more! LOL

And then we got kitten like AED?! What the kitten arena net? Engies went from having a though time against necros to a complete hard counter to them (automated response + AED))) ).

Signet of vampirism is another winner! Take 350 damage for HITTING THEM? Worse, they heal for 300 health points? This is the new worst skill in the game now, this is healing signet made worse. Thieves will probably die from hitting the necro alone LOL

Signet of the ether?! LOL PU mesmer was already annoying enough when you had the bad luck of meeting one, how about them 800 hps PU mesmers guys?

The only heal that could be interesting is the venom heal and that’s about it.

You had a good patch coming with good ideas, even though you had the diamond skin change there, and then, you throw everything to kitten with these heals.

LoL is a great game, really, you only played against bots and you think you can tell how good the game is? That actually should tell you why LoL is better than gw2 since you start the game playing unranked games against bots, while in gw2 people start in the middle of mmr, get stomped by experienced players and then quit.

The game does get extremely more fun against other people, and even more fun when you play with friends. The cds are long because its a much more tactical game rather than action oriented unlike gw2, it’s all about managing your skills, wearing down your opponent while getting minions and waiting for an opportunity to go for the kill. So it is also possible that you will never like LoL.

Now there is one thing that i find in gw2 just as much as I find it in LoL which is… 4 v 5’s, griefers, trolls.

Also, you can never compare the games, it would be like saying that you don’t like online chess and prefer mortal kombat because chess has too little dynamic and action.

JaBlam.7196:

Am I seriously the only one who sees the obvious flaw with GW2 pvp?

An rpg game mode…. with no usable rewards…

You want to make money off pvp? Sell the skins, and offer earn-able tiered gear. Not necessarily a gear treadmill like wow, I’m ok with there being a best in slot… But give us something to work towards. Just like your pve model… ….. ….

I know you want to fix all the issues that wow has to offer ANet, but right now hordes of players are going back to wow for their Battlegrounds. Don’t let them win for such a simple and obvious reason.

NO, just no. You are completely wrong. You think tiered gear is the problem? You think arena in wow is doing fine? They have just as much problems as we do, they just have a larger player base built over 10 years that won’t give up on their characters easily. Wow’s pvp is absolute no example to gw2. Tiered gear would be the last straw in gw2 attempt at an healthy pvp. Most people came to play gw2 just because of no tiered gear. You think wow’s best pvp players like tiered gear? Reckful has said that if he was in charge, everyone would have the same stats in pvp.

Take that conversation elsewhere, wvw, pve, whatever. Tiered gear is awful.

Hey, at least now we know that being a general kitten, whining, spamming twitch streams, behaving like a spoiled kid, insulting devs and coming up with conspiracy theories about how devs want to destroy a game mode that isn’t even a game mode is the fastest way to get the stuff we want in game! Just look at the new toy of the GvG crowd and their past behavior and tinfoil hat arguments and videos.