It’s the modifiers you should be complaining about.
I do. All the time.
My post was not intended to call out Hammer Bolt as a core issue, though I do think the range is silly.
Range is 1200 (looking at it right now on tooltip) same as everything else, if it is hitting from much further away then that’s a bug.
I edited some numbers mostly rough and taken from my own zerker rev in full ascended. The might generating with CR is where the numbers really get high imo, 4K auto for no might in full zerk and all mods isn’t that bad and it’s more like 3.5k without executioner.
Range has been broken for as long as I can remember in this game. You can still hit things even when you have that red bar under your skills. Try it out by auto-attacking a cannon.
Still not be in wvw as I want class balance and Rev Hammer 2 nerfed first.
We really should just kill each other with trebs, that’s sure how the fights nowadays feel. Pirate ship was melee against this.
Don’t forget condi and power builds for any class that can kill a thief as well. Anything that can kill my thief is OP and should be removed immediately (/sarcasm off)
thief or not the balance is pretty bad atm. I tried to bust out an old build on my mesmer that not many could kill in the past and it is pretty much a garbage build now due to a few of the new specs just pushing 1 or 2 buttons and doing massive damage to me.
I couldn’t disagree more. Without PPK it’s coverage and numbers. We measured this a couple of years ago when PPK first came in, and skilled open field guilds and groups had more of an impact on the score with stomps during busy fight times than objective points did. There is now once again incentive not to get stomped.
The one problem I foresee is servers (like TC) who like to turtle and avoid fights now have more incentive to hide behind their walls and siege.
Sorry but even with ppk its still a numbers and coverage game. IMO it favors the servers that are already blobby and have more numbers. Its much easier for 30 players to kill 15 players than it is for 15 players to kill 30 (not saying it can’t be done but it doesn’t happen much now a days)
I like that kills will count for points but it may also hurt fights as more people will run away instead of even engaging.. Already happens now and it could just get worse.
People please stop as if anet did something fanstastic here. WvW got trown a tiny bone after years of neglect and most of you are jumping with joy as if it is the best thing ever.
These changes while some are needed and some are dubious are not going to change WvW at all for the most part.
We are trying to gauge the changes proposed and offer suggestions for the improvement of the game Conner not fan-boy. Please add something or give feedback if you can to help ANet and thus ourselves as a WvW community.
moon, you must be new …
a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away there was a thing called CDI. over months wvw players made suggestions and gave feedback. lock at what we got. Befor the HoT release, there was betatesting of the new WvW maps, with some dedicated WvW Guilds. most of there feedback showed, that there will be problems with the new maps. Did Anet listen? Most of us are way past giving feedback.
im with conner here, there was nothing released, so why all the merrits? this thread is a testament to how badly anet threaths the wvw community and how desperate we’ve become, that we are 8 pages of joyous over tablescraps.
Not only this but they have been working on an overhaul for a year from what I heard with no feedback what so ever on this overhaul? Might want to get some feedback on your big overhaul before you work too much into it and it becomes too late to change in the end. ::cough:: new bls ::cough::
Been happening a lot to me in pvp. Sometimes I can’t even dodge with full endurance when stuck. The only way to be able to move again that I found is to use an emote such as /dance
To me it seems to happen more when I’m fighting a rev and I try to dodge his #3 sword skill. Might just be a coincident but either way it has been happening a lot more lately.
HoT is full of collections locked behind silly things so I should have expected this. Once I found out about it in HoT I stopped going to HoT maps. Not everyone thinks JP’s and adventures are fun. Stop locking stuff behind them.
I wanted the new snowy shoulder skin… until I saw it required the jumping puzzle to be completed not once, but three times. I can’t even do it one time – I have failed every single year (same with the halloween one). I will never have the shoulder skin.
:-(
The JP 3x is far easier and less painful than 10k alchohol.
To you maybe.. I’ve yet to do it because JP’s are just not my thing..
Yup its messed up. Can start to stomp people, go through entire animation and they do not get stomped at the end of the channel. Happens even more to me when quickness is applied as I do the animation so quick it rarely stomps the player on the first stomp..
Transferring off the server I was on since I started was the worst choice I ever made in this game. I think it helped kill this game for me tbh. I lost my server pride and honestly don’t even care about this game or this game mode anymore. Fights are not really fun to me when its nothing but map blobs everywhere.
I used to put in 8+ hours a day in WvW and now I put in 8 hours a week if that. Haven’t been to a reset yet but made it to every single reset on my old server.. Used to put out multiple wvw videos a week and since I transferred I’ve made 4 videos.. Planned to move back but its more like I’m moving on instead of back.
People would just DC when ever they got into a match they felt they were not going to win just to save their pips. No more come back wins, just dc and save your pips..
I don’t get it.. What is the point of alliance chat if only guild leaders and officers can chat? What if those players are not online? How would you ask for more help?
I don’t get it.. What is the point of alliance chat if only guild leaders and officers can chat? What if those players are not online? How would you ask for more help?
Wvw died after last tournament… Some of you are clinging to a soulless husk trying to give it cpr. Time to bury it and make something new.
What server are you from?
On a tier one server.
Yes, wvw was effectively dead in this game after last tournament. It was and is a soulless and neglected husk. You cannot sit there and say that wvw as a whole was healthy and thriving on every server, and that match ups and ranking we’re not on the more predictable side…
You can’t look at things on your server and assume all is well. You have to look at the big picture…
You can’t even answer a simple question of what server you are from? I didn’t ask which tier you were in.
Also I suggest you go read some of the pvp and pve forums.. Lots of players that have been around for a long time are not happy with the direction anet is going with this game.
My reply was sufficient. It doesn’t matter what server I’m on, what really matters is that I’m on a tier one server, experienced tier one wvw and can still see the major problems and flaws with all things wvw currently.
I understand some are not happy and that is their right, but there are also a lot of players who would welcome new systems like these. Let’s not forget there are also established guilds and guild affiliations that may find guild alliance wars attractive.
Regardless, segregated wvw/rvr servers are very much year 2000 thinking and design. . GW2 has to break out of the past and get with the present.
I was just curious but you are right it doesn’t really matter since you don’t seem to care about any of the communities players have built and feel everyone should just start over and build new ones..
Wvw died after last tournament… Some of you are clinging to a soulless husk trying to give it cpr. Time to bury it and make something new.
What server are you from?
On a tier one server.
Yes, wvw was effectively dead in this game after last tournament. It was and is a soulless and neglected husk. You cannot sit there and say that wvw as a whole was healthy and thriving on every server, and that match ups and ranking we’re not on the more predictable side…
You can’t look at things on your server and assume all is well. You have to look at the big picture…
You can’t even answer a simple question of what server you are from? I didn’t ask which tier you were in.
Also I suggest you go read some of the pvp and pve forums.. Lots of players that have been around for a long time are not happy with the direction anet is going with this game.
People may have left to try out other games, but they always came back to GW2.
Not really, people may try other games and not like them, but from what I’ve seen, most do not come back to GW2/WvW, they simply go play a different genre of game until Camelot Unchained, Crowfall, etc are released.
Since I’ve played gw2 I’ve bought gtav, mgsv, witcher 3 + the dlc for it, d3 + expansion. I’ve tried wildstar when it went free and countless free steam games..
You know how many hours I play on any of those games now? ZERO
I keep coming back for wvw and wvw only.
Then you are a minority, guilds with 500+ players who came to this game specifically to play WvW, left long ago and never came back, just go look at the activity in WvW, the reality is, the majority who started in WvW 3 years ago, no longer play this game.
500+ pretty sure guilds cap at 500 players unless you are talking about multiple guilds. I’ve never seen a wvw guild with 500 people in it ever. PvX guilds yes.
People may have left to try out other games, but they always came back to GW2.
Not really, people may try other games and not like them, but from what I’ve seen, most do not come back to GW2/WvW, they simply go play a different genre of game until Camelot Unchained, Crowfall, etc are released.
Since I’ve played gw2 I’ve bought gtav, mgsv, witcher 3 + the dlc for it, d3 + expansion. I’ve tried wildstar when it went free and countless free steam games..
You know how many hours I play on any of those games now? ZERO
People joining campaigns & alliances instead of being stuck on one server will give everyone the experience of a T1 server. This means lots of action, roaming and blobbing, whatever you like.
I find this to a be a good thing.
Your not stuck on the server as you have the choice to transfer and get those massive fights that you seem to want to force on everyone. Lots of action such as roaming in t1? I think not.. Been there a few weeks now and the one thing I miss is solo roaming. Its hard enough getting back to the commander when I die in some big fights. There are always gank groups around camping places that make running around by yourself not very fun to do..
I don’t need to learn to quote to put your “argument” to rest. I don’t presume, I observe. In the three servers I’ve been to since HoT I’ve seen very little in the way of activity on any BL. And even when there is activity it usually consists of one group jumping to a BL and taking it over or a good portion of it, because the defenders have left it.
To be clear it was you that presumed nobody goes there(see your own statement). “it’s not too bad besides not many fights happen there. That’s due to players refusing to go there though”
Use that preview button a little more often and you can avoid contradicting yourself.
Well it’s hard to read what you said because it looks like you said the same thing I said because you messed up the quotes. Maps are not as bad as people are making them out to be as the more you play them, the more you learn to move around them better.
I saw very little action in the old BL’s so tbh there is no difference in what I saw before HoT to what I’m seeing now.
I’ve been to the BL’s every single night and have had fights over objectives.. I said what I said about lack of players because the fights I did have were a lot of fun. It could be more fun if people actually went to them more is all I was getting at.
I even solo roamed bl’s yesterday and there were a few solo roamers just like in the old BL’s..
and you use words like nobody, not me.. since you think nobody plays on them well have a look at this then
I recently went to t1 and can say the lag is bad in 3 way sm fights. Really that is the only place that I ever notice it. Sometimes I hear others mention lag in fights but for me I only get it when the 3 servers clash with each other. I do not see it on my end when 2 server blobs are fighting but can’t speak for others..
Guess I’m not a true wvw player seeing as I do care about some of the stuff you mentioned yet don’t care about others.. You also need your ppt’ers and pvd’ers. Do most fights not happen when those type of players are trying to take your objectives? You can wish to see all those ppt’ers/pvd’ers go away if you want but that will do nothing but take away your fights too..
I’d like to suggest that you peeps put more thought into the answers to your own question first, you’d be surprised what you might find…
More critical thinking and idea sharing will help wvw. Server pride, elitist attitudes and narrow thought will not help wvw.
Also, if you start paying attention to systems the devs implement around the game, you can see what they are experimenting with and what direction they want to take the game…
If you start to pay attention to every section of these forums, you’d realize that a lot of people do not like the direction anet is going with.
Are you getting loot from lord? I know in the past I would not get credit for some caps when I just ran into the circle but it only happened once in a blue moon. I do however seem to always get credit when I kill some guards around the gates. I don’t even have to be in the circle, just killing the guards has giving me credit in the past.
Or you can do something productive like learn the maps.
^ This. The new maps are a lot better than what people are giving them credit for.
Yep, that’s why everyone loves them so much and there is always a queue.
Going by what you just said the old bl’s were hated then because they never really got queued outside of reset night.
Sarcasm can be hard to read.
The old borderlands were perfect if you were into 5-15 man squad battles, the new borderlands is perfect if you’re into solo flipping stuff with no resistance….
I took the bottom towers on an enemy map, then sat there for the whole duration of my 1 hour food buff before I left because NO ONE was coming out to play. I don’t even think there was anyone on map.
I proceed to EB, the only place where you can find an enemy, I realise all my enemies are farming elite specs in a blob hopping from tower to tower, without a completely levelled spec they are under powered and afraid to leave the blob for an engagement, which by all means is understandable. It’s the mentality being forced upon the players currently. As a roamer it’s very clear when fighting new specs that a lot of people havent maxed it yet but still keen to use new weapon skills.
I read his sarcasm fine. Basically he was saying nobody likes the new maps because they are not queued. So if he is going to use queues as a way to justify a liking to the maps well in the lower tiers we never really saw a queue on them either..
Seriously what you just said is the same thing I have been seeing for about a year now in the lower tiers.. I could solo roam bl’s, flip all camps and also solo flip the south towers. I even took fully upgraded keeps with 4 people and not a single soul would come and stop us. Outside of primetime they were mostly ghost towns. There was times where all I would play was EB map for months because that is where you could find players.
Yes population is dropping but its been dropping long before HoT was even announced.
I am in T1 for like 2 years.
All maps used to cap out on prime time.
I never see the new BL map capped before since HoT, and I rarely find a big zerg in the map either.
EB only filled out occasionally even during weekend. In old days EB is much more populated than this.
Some WvW server like TC died down too. JQ becomes much less active than they used to be. Things have go into a downhill that’s for sure.
I’m not disagreeing that populations have declined but it has been happening for a while now.. There were threads from some t1 players saying that wvw was dead up there even before HoT dropped.
I don’t like how transient the EoTM system is and definitely like server pride, but we have a serious population issue. What about more permanent WvW server merges instead? Combine a T2 server with a few lower tier servers to balance out population. There’s 8 tiers now right? Maybe shrink it down to 5. WvW is the only thing your server really matters for now anyways, so merging them would make sense.
Well, I’m 99% sure megaservers are coming so everybody will have to put away their server pride for the greater good and future health of wvw.
I’m 99% sure you are the dev working on this but you do not want to post as red to make it official because that will cause the forums to go into a rage over this POS idea for a fix.
It’s funny to see some of you rally for less fights and loot… With megaserver, you’ll always have high participation rates, more battles, more defenders, more scouts, more coverage, more rewards, more xp, more fun…
You peeps don’t really think beyond the current failing systems at all… It’s a shame.
You will lose your defenders, you will lose your scouts, when there’s no team framework to work with. You need to have a reliable team that’s on the SAME map every day in order for that to function.
Without it, it’s just a big blob fight. Like pve maps.
+1000. Nothing to add on this.
I’m not sure you peeps really take the time to think before you post…
Please explain to me how on a megaserver side with more people you would…
“Lose defenders”?
“Lose scouts”?
“Lose team framework”?
More people means more roles filled, am I right or am I wrong?
Do you all know what team speak is? Isn’t it possible to get your megaserver side coordinated through voice communication and map chat?
Getting on the same map is possible and the devs keep working on squad and guild functions. They are continuously developing systems for this stuff and looking at pushing up population caps for maps, but most of you aren’t even paying attention to things that have and are happening right under your noses.
Does anyone defend in EoTM? Does anyone scout in EoTM? The only teamwork in EoTM is sticking to the tag. If you die in EoTM you sit at spawn and ask when the commander is going to wp back so you can re-join the k-train..
Lol, your opinion and misrepresentation of the facts obviously isn’t. I wasn’t stating an opinion.
Again, WvW has been decimated, dungeons have been abandoned, small guilds were kicked to the curb. Those are the facts, along with all the massive amount of other complaints about HoT.
Those are the facts.
So now complaints are considered facts too? Go back to sleep please.. Seems you woke up on the wrong side of the bed today..
No, it is the map. We can have a 50 man Q on EB and everyone refusing to even wait on a DBL map to get in. They would rather stand in LA doing nothing until it pops than go there.
No its the players. You just pointed out they refuse to go the them. Just like people quit over test events we had.. What did you honestly think was going to happen when we got the new map? If you didn’t see this coming I don’t know what to say.
People refused to go to them the day HoT dropped or tried them once and went back to EBG map. They never gave it a chance.
By comparison, the Matterhorn Bobsleds ride at Disneyland lasts just a little over two minutes, and on a really busy day, you might have to wait a couple of hours in line (though probably not).
So think of it like waiting in line for an amusement park ride, only longer, and less fun.
hehe but at least when you finally get on the ride you complete it. Imagine if you had to wait in line for the ride, you get seated, it moves 3 feet then stops and everyone gets off because some mechanism failed.
I’m just going to add something about the auto upgrade feature since I feel that has killed the game play style for some solo roamers. Basically the upgrades shouldn’t be on a timer but should have to do with how many yaks make it into the objective.
In the past we used to be able to stop upgrades from happening just by taking camps and killing yaks. There were times where all I did was snipe yaks and constantly flip camps because I didn’t want something like SM to get upgraded while waiting for more players to come into the map. That is not the case anymore as the only thing yaks do now is take some time off of the timer and give supplies to the supply pool.
I understand why they did this whole auto upgrade thing but I don’t see why they should still upgrade if they own no camps at all or are not getting yaks into the objectives..
I’ve never played it, and I suspect most national servers avoid it. But if forced? Yeah there will be a lot of fights in map chat.
Ahh yea when I think of wvw I don’t even think about EoTM so it didn’t even dawn on me that they do have EoTM in EU lol I just don’t see it workign very well since that one person mentioned the language difference.
I find it very strange that so many people claim alpine became “stagnant” due to being the same old map for 3 years, when an absolutely crushing majority of the players still choose EB over desert – the same EB we have had for 3 years.
That isn’t any stranger than people wanting back a map that was barely queued when compared to EB.
Typical old WvW night on Alpine:
- Oh green hasn’t been attacked. Let’s go there since EB is queued.
- Let’s flip this camp.
- Man, this is empty. Let’kitten this tower and see if anyone comes for some fights.
- Let’s grab all the camps then work on Bay.
- Oh look there’s a single defender. We’ve finally been scouted.
- Hey we got outer down. kitten , the scout threw a siege disabler on our rams.
- Oh hey look they brought their entire EB map queue to kick us out.
Pretty much nailed it. I can say that is how the old BL’s have been for a long time now. I was starting to think I was in my own little world and was the only person that was seeing it this way..
