Guild Wars 2

Orochimaru.4730:

Not read the above links, but come on already, since when has there been an update or patch which improved WvW?!

There have been a great very many. Removing the orb aspect in EB for one. Tones of positive siege changes. WvW rank points systems. The list goes on and on.

Olli.9028:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I honestly don’t see much difference. In any event, how is it worse than what it was before? Oh, right, you were immune to all of my cc before while now it can possibly affect you with your bazilion years and sources of stab… From my perspective they made some skills that were not relevant, relevant again. CC are supposed to, you know, crowd control some… Beside, if I can charge into the fray with a zerker staff ele a big bad war probably can manage. Just saying…

Ever play other mmo than gw?
There you often only have a single cc per profession on high cd. it´s more like the elite in gw.
Stab was op but it must be, cause cc is op in gw too.(large scale combat)
Only skill in game without target limit?
On most professions more than 1 cc skill often with low cd.
cc in gw is in big fights everywhere and spammable while rolling over your keyboard.

so the counter of the cc must fit to the cc in game.

Old cc but please only with old stab
or new stab but then target limit on all cc(like most other skills in gw) +cd increase

the ship is boring as hell.

List some. I am curious which ones only have on CC per profession. As well, you suggest other MMOs have them on lower cool downs. Yet you say GW is CC spam. Wouldn’t they be spammed more in the games with lower CDs?

Most MMOs I have played have plenty of options for CC. In fact, they often have entire professions designed around it or devoted to it

I have never played a game that did not have this occur. It is simply that collision and the environment make it better in some games, and worse in others.

Well, I think that’s hilarious, that so many of us posting, came from being a Bard main in EQ. I did so as well.

Personally, I enjoy having a shield with a native reflect for one. otherwise, I leveled each profession in the initial months after release. I played each to 80, primarily in WvW. In the end, the engineer appealed to me far and above the rest. I felt it had the most diversity in play style and build. For me personally, I feel that was the main draw.

pandora.8475:

The reason things got to be such ivory tower sever like bg and jq they giveing each other guilds and working together to make sure they stay balance and match fix.

That’s an urban legend. If you believe there is some sort of organized form of that going on, then I have a bridge in Arizona you may be interested in purchasing.

Caedmon.6798:

I dont know what server you play on if you hardly see a shift at all,but in T1 the shift is heavy.Before the change,Every class could be made viable and there was a large mix of range/melee with melee being the frontliners and the range classes going around to kite.At this point,there is No melee at all period,everything is range..and that’s the problem.

Jade Quarry.

Your claiming every profession was “made viable” before the change? Yet now they aren’t? Define viable here.

Now the GWEN religion is not as zealous, because the stability does not make guardians and warriors a must have to compete as before. In my experience though, running with my guild, I see limited change in the fights over all.

One thing I do not get is the term “melee” in this case. There were guardians/warriors, and then everybody else in this specific example.

Caedmon.6798:

There arn;t any pushes going on,so for you saying “Just roll the build you want” shows that you clearly don;t see the issue at hand.If i go melee,i’d be the only melee around standing there doing nothing while the rest is playing ping pong,comms dont push,they kite and they aoe bomb.I did swith to range…thats the point,range is the only thing viable at this point where melee has been rendered useless.It seems you really dont understand or have seen the pirate ship meta at hand.The previous meta allowed for more diversity in builds and playstyles.

yeah, there are absolutely pushes, going on. I do not see your ’claimed issue" at hand, because I do not feel it is really much of an issue at all. Some Coms do push. Simply because you do not, does not define the rest of us.

Personally, I feel if your claiming “ranged is the only viable option”, then I feel that is a short coming on your behalf. The previous meta didn’t offer more build diversity. It literally only offered the warrior, the ability to build around ignoring CC in its entirety, in my personal opinion.

You do not have to like it, but my opinion and experience suggest a skill and organized group is perfectly capable of pushing, and does not need to completely depend on kiting as you may chose to do yourself.

Caedmon.6798:

,i can talk to 10 people and they all say the same thing,eventhough of a different class…This meta is stale and boring as kitten.The previous meta allowed for more diversity in builds and playstyles.

And? I an talk to 20 people who disagree with you and agree with me, what’s your point there?

People tend to guild up, play with, and spend time with other, like minded people. I am not entirely clear as to why you feel that 10 people you know are like minded friends, is relevant to our different views.

Caedmon.6798:

How long is it gonna stay like this ? With the recent stabi changes,wvw fights turned into a borefest.You effectively ruined lots of builds that used to be viable in wvw,all heavy melee builds have been rendered useless,everything is range,everything is aoe bomb,everything is kite.There is no melee going on anymore,i see less and less warrs running around,and if they do…they Run bow ! Great..you pushed warriors to start using bow in wvw aswell….just like they need to do in pvp.

You destroyed every possible melee warr build being viable in zerg fights..Before these changes we had a variety of melee builds with linebackers and kiters going on around…Atm the change only favors heavy kiting,and it favors the side with more people and if you’re melee you got no place in these fights.

Honestly,im getting less and less interested being in wvw..cant run the builds i love to run,and the fights are just a kitten snoozefest picking off 1 player at a time from 1200+ range with 60 ppl vs 60ppl…My god…Please,do something about this horrid playstyle.

I have hardly seen a shift at all.

Every other profession doesn’t have the health/toughness/condi clear/CC immunity of a warrior. There were 6 other professions that couldn’t play effective, large force melee in WvW. Personally, I feel some credibility in my opinion was lost when the OP specified that this came from a warriors only perspective. It opens my eyes to the fact that there is a warrior community out there that is oblivious to the limitations the other professions have and have had since the start.

What I gather out of the OP, is that the individual is specifically upset because they have more difficulty on a melee warrior. Specifically mentioning or at least “claiming”, he cannot run the builds he wants. Nothing is stopping you from running the builds you want but you. Period. What about all of the other player base that could not run the builds they want because warriors had the crutch of stability that nullified those builds? Crowd control builds have been a staple of MMOs since their inception, and were neutered by one boon.

The previous meta was extremely stale to me, and made everyone, who was not herding like sheep to the melee train, treated as second class. Personally, I enjoy the fact that warriors can not mindlessly rush in, and actually need a little more skill to play. They have to fear CC instead of neuter or ignore it absolutely. Take hard CC away and lets look at immobilize, chill, cripple, as soft CC. look at the options a warrior can combine to literally ignore those entirely.

The post is very clear that this is not an issue with any so called ‘pirate ship’ meta, it is clearly a direct complaint from a warrior who is upset that my other professions skills actually effect them now.

TheSongBringer.2834:

When I made this post a week ago, it was not my intention to suggest that there is anything inherently wrong with the glicko system. The matchups are stagnating because there are large glicko gaps developing on the NA servers between the different tiers. On the EU servers there is a more gradual progression of glicko resulting in more varied matchups.

The gaps are there because there is a flux of players transferring between servers. Causing disparity in the points, within servers on the same tier.

It is 100% a player base caused issue in my opinion.

TheSongBringer.2834:

I am not sure why the two server groups reached such different glicko distribution, but I have suspicions that a lot of it is being caused by where WvWers are going. Since a lot of the action is concentrated in the higher tiers, players are pooling there.

Precisely. This kind of harkens back to what I said above.

TheSongBringer.2834:

For instance: on NA servers a massive numbers disparity between T2 and T3 developed, causing lopsided matchups in T3 that widened the gap between the tiers. The gap will close as DB hemorrhages glicko, but it will take time.

The gap between T1 and T2, I fear may not be crossed, servers being what they are. The glicko gap is huge, and FA has gained about as much glicko as it can in T2.

Again, this is all cause by players moving between server week to week. Not much that can be done about it.

Darksteel.8412:

yea…2+ players needing to focus the turrets in order to get rid of them was realy fair deal….while engi itself can dish out plenty of dmge as well…not to mention the tons of immobs/launches/knockbacks….people need to roll like 30 stacks of stab in order to have a normal fight against an engi…not to mention the cc/fears etc the engi team mates has…or boon stripping…nah buddy…plenty of arguements made by my side…you just get the back up from all mad engi players that knew they had it coming…it was either this nerf…or tremendous damage output nerf of engi….either way you would cry anyway….again engi still has plenty of viable tpvp builds and will still play a role nonetheless….see it like this, war isnt viable on gs either in tpvp…now turrets arent for engi…fair deal….pve you say…..well propose a difference between pve and pvp skill descriptions….like gw1 had

Don’t be dishonest here. For most of those two years, those same turrets you needed to focus, didn’t do near the damage, have near as many valuable traits, or function anywhere near as well as the did just the last few months, so please, do not disingenuously imply they have been a problem for that long.

As far as FPS goes, even in the largest fights, I never seem to drop below 23. When it comes to FPS, your cpu and your graphics card and setting tend to have the greatest impact in that respect. Your isp, your router/modem, also have some effect. What are you running, equipment wise, on your gaming computer?

MandJ.8965:

I main Mesmer, so Thief is for WvW Trolling.

Yes, but try it. Celestial is broken, it is a joke that people don’t see it

you appear to be confusing your subjective opinion with that of objective fact. Making declarative statements in post over and over does not make your opinion any closer to fact then anyone else’s.

I do not feel celestial is even remotely broken.

For example, can you do anything remotely close to what your complaining that these good celestial ele’s can do?

Not only do I not feel celestial gear is not particularly strong, you haven’t provided any reasonable evidence to support it. As well, I feel you have offered no compelling argument on the matter.

What aspect of the game do you focus on?

I love the shield. I find the reflect invaluable against that pesky LB rangers and scepter Mesmer. That and I got 4 Ghastly Grinning Shields in the first Halloween event, and it is fun seeing it on my character as I reflect that projectiles at those players who think they are going to do a massive rapid fire from 1500 range, only to find the “quit hitting yourself” aspect take into effect.

Darksteel.8412:

sorrychief.2563:

classic anet listening to whiney players

warrior is nerfed into near oblivioun…you don’t hear anyone about this…like the adrenaline nerf…could have been that you kept the adrenaline for about 10 sec when out of a fight…but it’s nerfed entirely….now the engi got what it deserved….you’re saying whiney players….reading your post makes me think you are the one crying just ask for a difference in pve and pvp skills…..makes more sense than what you are saying now….in pvp, this was needed for a very loooooong time…explain to me or anyone else why a turret can’t get critted or burn?….please do so explain

I don’t think they were whiney players at all. I feel they were quit reasonable. Investing in stats such as precision and condition damage should not be ignored by summoned objects of any kind.

Yes, you do to this day hear warriors crying about their changes, you just did, for example. There were 10 threads on the PvP, WvW, and Warrior sub forums front pages made every day for two months, so lets not suggest the warrior community didn’t complain.

Personally I feel this change is just as needed as the adrenaline change was. Turrets will still put out the same solid damage they do now, they simply will not be impervious to two out of three entire offensive stat point investments. Now if they will only see to it that other inanimate objects in the PvP, PvE, and WvW realms get the same treatment so stat investments are not be invalidated there as well.

Why do you claim the profession is bad simply because you struggle with it?

It appears that you confuse your subjective opinion with that of objective fact. Every profession is not for every player. Keep at it and you will likely improve. The other options are to play professions you do better in, or play this one to the best of your abilities and accept what you can accomplish.

serenke.4806:

I’m not a fan of turrets but this is a really lazy solution.

You could make turrets stats scale with the engi’s amulet.
You could make it so that every turret can be present in a map (or within a certain radius) only once so that the 2nd rocket turret would destroy the first one (to prevent turret engis from stacking).
You could prevent the turrets from spawning on top of lampposts, on walls, in the air, etc….

I feel the changes are both reasonable as well as specifically ones requested in a great many post. I am unclear how giving a vast amount of posters, the solution they requested, is “lazy”.

In my opinion, conditions need to effect all objects with their damage, otherwise investment in the trait lines and the stays of condition damage itself are punished unfairly.

Kunzaito.8169:

He Who Shall Not Be Named is now as brazen as ever in his activities to ruin the WvW experience for every other player on TC. Today during a prolongued JQ seige of our EB keep, he was there throwing out trash seige (his beloved ballistas), wasting precious supply on repairing walls being trebbed, sitting on and not using defensive seige, etc.

I understand that you “take seriously” the banning of accounts – what about taking seriously the game experience of HUNDREDS of other players who are impacted by the malicious behavior of this person? This isn’t one person’s vendetta or a small group of people complaining about someone. This is an entire server’s consistent observation of the blatant and obvious troll behavior of this one person, and for some reason his “rights” trump ours?

What more evidence do you need? You have had a GM catch him in the act. You have at this point what must be thousands of reports of his behavior. His guild name refers to his trolling activities!

Please find a way to be more proactive about this issue!

Edit: Thanks Sinbold. Although I can’t see how it’s either of those things, as the person is well-known and is quite proud of what he does.

Are you stating that you have proof a GM has witnessed troll behavior from this player and refused to act? I would be interested to see evidence of this.

25,000 badges to buy a precurser.

That might even motivate some to spend some time in WvW who have never been there.

SobeSoul.6910:

Jekkt.6045:

how is it the most used amulet?

ele: celes/berserk
guard: berserk/cleric
engi: celes/rabid
necro: carrion/berserk
mesmer: berserk
thief: berserk
warrior: celes/soldier
ranger: berserk/carrion/celestial

that’s 4 celestial (counting ranger)
and 6 berserk

Lol. No one plays celestial ranger on a serious level.

If that is the argument you run with here, then no one would have any business posting in balance discussion before first proving they can compete on a serious level.

Turk.5460:

SobeSoul.6910:

style.6173:

SobeSoul.6910:

Play an engie and find out. Because if you think the waterfield is broken on turret and you want to remove it you have little to no understanding of it.

I do play engi. You are also proving my point. EVERY engi runs healing turret. That means one of two things: it is either OP, or the other healing skills are weak. The actual answer is both.

It is the water field plus all the blasts that keep turret engis alive so long. It is also why cele rifle nade spam is so strong. Name one other change that would bring both turret engis and nade spam engis more in line….

Try again with waterfields. Considering good engies don’t blow it up and just pick them up in certain circumstances.

Also, cele and turrets have nothing to do with one another. And go compare healing turret with medi heals, troll ungent and some other heals.

He didn’t say anything about blowing up the turret. He mentioned only using blast finishers such as grenades on the water field that comes out of the turret.
Try again.

If you are going to make an argument here, it would be more useful if you had knowledge on the subject matter. There is no blast finisher in the grenade kit in any form.

It has an animation. The black puddles all over the ground.

Shorten the matches? I doubt it, they need to lengthen them. As far as I am concerned, there is little reward deserved for little more then being good out of the gate. If your server cannot compete for the long haul, it doesn’t deserve to win.

Trying to create all of these artificial processes such as jerry mandering reset times and match durations. You are going out of your way to demand artificial efforts as a means to try to hold others back, or give someone else an edge. Why not win on merits of the system alone?

As well, you cannot cry “coverage issue” in the same post that you cry “stagnation”. You can have the most equivalent population match up, or you can have matches against different servers every week. You cannot have both.

Johje Holan.4607:

People always talking about how it “punishes” players if you were to change something in "night"capping threads. Well players in non-prime time timezones are being punished now. They don’t get to experience the awesomeness of reset. Seriously why don’t people complain about that? If I didn’t live in NA Prime I would be upset. Reset is the most awesome time to play.

Not so much punishing, really. It has more to do with the fact that you prefer to change the rules to suit your personal needs, with a clear disregard of how that effects anyone else. You see, nothing at all is stopping you from playing, or organizing others to play during your so called “night capping”. You make a choice to log off or not log on during those hours, then go on to demand they change the game and the rules around that.

Getting out of immobilize is easy. Particularly given that this discussion has carried on under the idea of having speedy gadgets. Rocket boots will certainly solve that issue. Discussing AED and healing turret in a vacuum in a 1 to 1 comparison is irrational, as their value may change depending on traits, utilities, and weapon chosen in the context of builds.

waSte.8640:

Name of game: Guild Wars 2

Amount of guild wars since launch: Zero

Perhaps it would be wise to educate yourself on such matters before making an irrelevant statement. As informed players will tell you, the “guild” refers to “The name of the game series comes from the Guild Wars, a series of conflicts between Tyrian guilds which led to decline of humanity and allowing the Charr to invade Ascalon, and other events of the first series of the games.”

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild_Wars

It has nothing what so ever to do with players and player guilds, so I am unclear as to why you are making PvE lore comments in the WvW subforums.

Henrik.7560:

3 problems which are well known but anet will never do anything about.

• Current Engineer Turret meta is so powerful because people can destroy pugs all day, in a premade or soloQ.
• Engineer daily encourages more engineer play, people all play turrets so they can get their win quickly, but then find it fun and keep going. Also the fact that 3 times a week we have engineer daily.
• Nearly all of the maps are conquest and encourage turret engineer use to secure a point better than any other class

Considering there was a recent dev post suggesting incoming turret nerf, this statement I incorrectly declaring they will never do anything about seems very uninformed.

OP, as you declare something is a lazy design, would you care to define that term? Particularly in this case. It strikes more as complimentary design. Intended to work in conjunction with the focus of DPS. It is a very subjective concept that you state as a declaration. Do you confuse subjective opinion with that of objective fact?

Zoke.2147:

if they just added dueling into this game any time in the last 3 years this would be a non issue. all the people who are just wanting to duel can get out of the wvw maps and go fight some where else, and the people who want to fight for objectives and run on tag can get through the ques and play. (probably only a t1 problem)

Couldn’t disagree more. The last thing this game needs is a warped reason for the forums to be spammed with more players crying about 1 to 1 balance.

Block them and kill everybody. It is your right in WvW. Ignore anyone who says a word about how you do it, as it is your right to kill everyone with a red name.

Bristingr.5034:

Ultimaistanza.4793:

lordkrall.7241:

Are people really surprised that he might have given up after the childish behavior shown here after the announcement?

Considering that not every single person ripped on him and that some of us actually did have faith that he could do a good job, yes.

Unfortunately, quite a few people did chew his kitten out just for making an announcement thread, and that type of action can speak quite loudly.

Yep. this is fairly accurate. Anyone paying attention, could tell you that there were a great deal more then what you see now, because there were some that were very extreme that got moderated, for good reason.

Dawdler.8521:

Bristingr.5034:

Ultimaistanza.4793:

lordkrall.7241:

Are people really surprised that he might have given up after the childish behavior shown here after the announcement?

Considering that not every single person ripped on him and that some of us actually did have faith that he could do a good job, yes.

Unfortunately, quite a few people did chew his kitten out just for making an announcement thread, and that type of action can speak quite loudly.

After so long time spent neglected, the poisonous response from the community was… predictable. Anyone would have gotten hell for it. I really dont understand why Anet themselves didnt introduce them.

The correct answer here would be condemning the communities lashing out at him. Making a conscience effort to defend or justify attacking him as some did, is embarrassing and appalling.

Xyonon.3987:

I think turrets need a complete rework. They need ammunation and have stronger attacks, yet YOU have to attack by YOURSELF. No ki, just utility skills you can activate and the turret shoots. Rocket turret will be like a grenade shot to aim and flame turret like a smoke bomb + fire bomb.

Don’t nerv it into the ground, fix it!

That cannot work, because those same turrets take up slots required for an engineer to have a weapon swap. I hardly call taking damage from an entire utility skill set as a fix. Until you remove damage from every sigil in the game. If you going to make sets of utilities that offer passive effects, as unable to do damage, why would other skills for other professions be allowed? Remove all elites and utilities from the other professions that do passive damage such as necro minions, spirit weapons, elmentalist pets, and clones.

Who want to start a pool to see what professions or its aspect the PvP community irrationally rails against next?

Knighthonor.4061:

The current vanilla sieges are getting old. I would like to see some new buildable objects for combat to spice up strategy in battle.

Such as?
I mean, if your going to make a thread about it, the least you could do is list the siege your desiring.

Knighthonor.4061:

Also would like some sieges that can only be used by underpowered servers who are outnumbered.

Define under powered? Out numbered can happen to any server depending on the time of the day, the day of the week, or season ebb and flow of players.
This is, in my opinion, one of the worst suggestion I hear for WvW. Particularly as you are asking for certain servers to have access to it based on some arbitrary determining factor.

Anytime we shoe horn in artificially situations that make individual players or groups specifically over powered, such as by giving them special tools or siege, you are destroying the game.

Knighthonor.4061:

I also would like for players to be able to build forts, outpost, and walls sort of like that game Starhawk.

that could add another layer of tactics to WvW.

Baffles me how anyone can compare a failing, third person shorter, console game, set in space, with flying mechs, to a fantasy setting MMO.

Danged if they do, danged if they don’t. When they relax the restrictions on the system, players cry that they get in uneven or unfair matchups. If they tighten the system, players cry that matchups are stale.

The most interesting thing about this thread, is that the OP has expressed and issue with being in unbalanced matchups recently. OP are you suggesting it is dull because you are set against an uneven match up and fell that moving down a tier would do you justice, or you wanting to fight new servers for the sake of fighting new servers?

Personally, I just assume see the 3rd place server in every tier drop a tier for the following week, while the 1st place server in the tier move up for the following week. In that case, the forums would be spammed with threads of unfair matchups, but at least it would be consistent.

Grendels Mother.5713:

Offair.2563:

Gunnars Hold does NOT support hacking so stop blaming a whole server for the actions of 1-2 persons doing this.

Then I can assume GH server community has this in control and we wont see any further incidents. Thank you for responding.

I would love to hear your brilliant explanation of how others are supposed to do anything about an individual hacker? If it is possible for a regular player or server community to do anything about it, why haven’t you solved the issue?

Omnio.3652:

Class discrimination exists for a reason, tho it is more build discrimination. If you play some OP build well you deserve to be told Honestly this game has some serious issues with balance. Every game has and it will always be like this, but some builds here are far too long left alone.

And it is really hard to blame people for hating on those builds if they keep being farmed by easy build over and over. I know from my own experience that it is really annoying and I hate on those classes too.

The fact is people in PvP want to PvP not just watch others to wipe the floor with them. I’ve played many MMOs and PvP in all of them and I dont think I’ve seen such cheesy builds yet.

No, it is easy to blame people for their behavior. Their is no justification for appalling behavior to another player, regardless of profession played or build used. Using that as a lame excuse for such behavior is shameful.

ronpierce.2760:

Truth tends to hurt, but of course, its a generalization. Not EVERY thief/engi player is an awful person. But there tends to be a very vocal “elitist” thief and engineer community that gives a bad reputation. Like I said, some perfectly legit players take the bullet often times just because people have grown annoyed in general at the classes..

Sounds like someone is doing poorly in PvP. Are you angry because I beat you a couple 1v1 in a row earlier, and you assumes you should have won, simply because you were on a necro?

OP, you appear to be confused in my opinion. Server communities do not hack. Individual players do. It it not productive to call out an entire server community for a specific players actions.

If someone sees a player on your server doing something questionable, is it reasonable for them to create a thread blaming you?

Unlucky Tyrant.5970:

Chaba.5410:

coglin.1867:

For some one who started this discussion, you sure appear to be defensive toward anyone else’s opinion. Why make a thread if you intend to berate anyone e joining the discussion?

Coglin, it’s just a waste of your time to respond to the OP. The OP has rapidly gained a reputation on FA for being exactly the way you describe. Did you know he called out several guilds for not being on TS in order to prove some point he was trying to make about communication yet when he looked at TS was a time those guilds do not have their rallies?

I mean it is fine if he doesn’t want to be on TS. There’s plenty of legitimate reasons to not be on TS. Like, I have a guild member who is deaf so TS doesn’t really do anything for that player. Incidentally that player will join TS sometimes just to read the TS chat messages! But I digress.

It’s a good chance you’re being trolled in this thread.

Its disturbing how every conversation with you people winds up about TS.

Im sorry, I was judging a commander on what he could visually see.
Do your blind players use TS for you to guide them?
Then I could see how TS is relevant to the game.
I can use chat just fine thanks.
No need to scream “ON ME ON ME ON ME ON ME ON ME” over and over.
I see you. I see you running in. I see you gonna need them heals.
I gotchu boo.

Not only that but the ON ME attitude is flawed. You should work in directional commands so that way the enemy doesnt have a HUGE indication as to who the commander is when the commander does something and then everyone else does.
You could be sneaky about it. Tell everyone to push west and attack flank instead of “focus on me focus on me focus on me, jump on me jump on me jump on me, heals on me heals on me heals on me”.

Count downs are cool too. I enjoy hearing a commander who says “leap on 3”, not leaps and says “LEAP ON ME” as if to say “LEAP ON ME BEFORE I DIE”.

Edit: I think thats the reason I am not a huge fan of being on TS with this game.
After my long break eventually ending with H1Z1, which if you think a 2D fight with people standing right in front of you is hard, try having a sniper battle from six planes and different angles.

Usually we only had the lead officer talking, which I am not sure why you guys havent gotten into that being its been years since the game came out.

That and the general lack of uniformity in a commanders calls.
Theres no general concept of how to handle a situation, no symbiotic relationship in a guild. No cooperation.

Blame pugs all you want but they are not the kids in TS with you.

We could have a firefight in H1Z1 and all the commander would have to say is “Sniper on rocks north east” and everyone would be on it. No repeating, no yelling, no one lower rank going “I GOT HIM, JUST YOU WAIT GUYS”, and it went great. Bam. Mission complete.

Heck, most of the time we had random visitors who didnt even have TS, so we would just use the regular chat to type out “sniper on rocks NE”.

Hard stuff I know, but you guys can do it.

What does any of that have to do with what we are discussing? I am not entirely certain I understand most of it.

You appear to be having difficulty distinguishing the difference between subjective opinion and objective fact. I can only presume your referring to something you hears in some voice com once. To assume everyone speaks the same or coordinates the same is prejudicial. As well it varies between servers.

if you are unhappy with the leadership, perhaps you should step up and lead yourself? Transfer servers perhaps. I men you ask a question in the thread title and go on to ask more in your post. Then go on to rail against the answers to your questions. If the answers agitate you, why ask the questions? You know what they say, if you want something done right, do it yourself.

Unlucky Tyrant.5970:

Did we really have to be on TS to know what was going on?

Yes. Yes you do. Otherwise, you are making blind assumptions with no information or context what so ever.

For some one who started this discussion, you sure appear to be defensive toward anyone else’s opinion. Why make a thread if you intend to berate anyone e joining the discussion?

As to your question, no, I do not know it is rhetorical. How am I to derive your intent from an Internet post? If you don’t want a question asnwered, don’t ask it.

you avoided my previous questions. Care to answer them now? If you desire to understand their actions, why are you asking in a forums post, instead of those players themselves?

Danged if they do, danged if they don’t. When they relax the restrictions on the system, players cry that they get in uneven or unfair matchups. If they tighten the system, players cry that matchups are stale.

Personally, I just assume see the 3rd place server in every tier drop a tier for the following week, while the 1st place server in the tier move up for the following week. In that case, the forums would be spammed with threads of unfair matchups, but at least it would be consistent.

Perhaps they were not their with succeeding specifically as their purpose, so much as they. May have been trying to enjoy the game together as a group, and that was their purpose. I am not suggesting I do or do not agree with how they handled it. I am simply suggesting a possible reason they may have had at the time, for their actions.

Unlucky Tyrant.5970:

coglin.1867:

You might be reading to much into it. At times, different group or guild commanders may have different ideas of what will work or what is needed. Sounds to me as if the were organized enough, and it just didn’t work out.

As well, sometimes moving a force in the heat of battle, under siege fire, is like herding cats. Your guiding video game playets, not actual trained and seasoned soldiers.

I have absolutely no problem with differing opinions, but how can you explain someone doing something thats already done? For [SILY] to push from outside N wall outside, while 2 guilds are working together to hold outside S wall and kick down inner S wall, its incomprehensible. I cant imagine there was any sort of thought process that would make sense tbh. Thats not closer to our spawn, he held no positions N of that, and there was no reinforcements coming from up N because [SILY] had a majority of the people on server at the time.

I really cant think of a single thing that would make sense.
I mean it would have been nice to have [VP] closer, but I get why they wanted to do what they did, and tactically it made sense. So why wouldnt another commander see that we were making great progress with a superior vantage point and do what most FA WvW guilds love doing, zerg vs zerg?

Edit: By that I mean that the only thing asked of them was to do what most guilds love doing, so it shouldn’t have been that big of a deal right?

Your trying to justify why a group of individual video game players would or would not do something, and the reason they would or would not do it.

We’re you in TS with this group? Did you ask them at the time? Did they reply? What was the reply?

Orochimaru.4730:

Another interesting thing. Last night I was playing on my NA account on Blackgate, there were a few NA players complaining about lag, whilst there I was an EU player and I didnt notice a thing. Was on a necro not guardian as well. And was at around 12-1am UK time.

So how can an EU player not have lag on a NA server whilst a NA player does???

I have had similar experiences in which I was not getting lag, or others in my particular guild or group were not, when others are . I shared those experiences here. The funny thing is that other posters were so dead set on claiming the servers were to blame, that the tried to shout me down as it were. In my experience, there can be a plethora of problems that cause issues.

You might be reading to much into it. At times, different group or guild commanders may have different ideas of what will work or what is needed. Sounds to me as if the were organized enough, and it just didn’t work out.

As well, sometimes moving a force in the heat of battle, under siege fire, is like herding cats. Your guiding video game playets, not actual trained and seasoned soldiers.

warherox.7943:

Instant A.E.D would be a great change. There is no reason to not have it instant since Thief has an instant heal.

Couldn’t disagree more. In my opinion, heals are the skills that should have counter play with interrupts. and should never ever be instant. We shouldn’t lower AEDs cool down, but increase the cool downs on the others.

Silverthorn.8576:

coglin.1867:

No, the duel profession stacked hammer train had control over their characters. The old meta favored 2 professions and left all the other hanging in the wind. I am sorry you preferred a meta set around 2 professions. I for one prefer more value given to others and especially those outside the GWEN. AoE CC is no more or less spammed then stability. You can cry spam all you like, they are either strategic to game play or not.

Right now, thanks to this meta, ranged are able to totally shut down melee’s moves and abilities. In the old one, ranged just had to get a good positionning and awereness and melee was just shuting down the bad ranged.

Your experience seems different then mine. We do not fell out melee are disadvantaged (at least that how I took what you are saying, correct me if I am mistaken). They simply can no longer call stab 1 and charge in freely, then call for stab 2 when stab 1 is almost up. There is now some strategy around CC instead of blindly ignoring it. We still have a healthy melee aspect.

Kanebrake.6192:

coglin.1867:

I do not know what kind of relationships you have in your community, but It absolutely would punish players who have guild alliances, friends, and a relationship with the community.

How would you feel if you wee arbitrarily picked by someone to be forced to a different server for the sake of balance? I suspect you wouldn’t care for it much if it was happening to you.

You suspect entirely wrong. Because I see the reason and the need for it to happen. Yeah it would suck but I’d get over it and go on about my day.

Well that’s very noble of you. What server are you on now? your sig suggest SoS, that’s T2 right?

Why are you not on the lowest tier server? I mean if your going to claim this is what needs to happen, why do your actions not support what your saying?

I do not know what kind of relationships you have in your community, but It absolutely would punish players who have guild alliances, friends, and a relationship with the community.

How would you feel if you wee arbitrarily picked by someone to be forced to a different server for the sake of balance? I suspect you wouldn’t care for it much if it was happening to you.

PyroRobby.1987:

If WvW is not balanced in group size and gear … well we know what this is like and I think there has been a lot of discussion of smaller groups. This seems like a group would then be just part of a guild and no solo player would ever get in. New players could not participate then. This may be better though for the experienced and skilled players and I am OK with that. I just need a baby pool where I can learn to swim, gain the gear I need, meet other PVPers, prove myself, then be invited to swim with the sharks. Did I miss something, do we have that already? If so I missed the memo.

Just specific to this part, We occasionally get entirely new players in the guild, and guilds we are aligned with. I do not know about the other new players, but those I have experience with seem to find it reasonably well.

I do think some of that has to do with WvW style game play and RvR being more common in recent MMOs so players are a little more familiar, either via experience, or reading up on it, then they used to be.

Spoone.1268:

I would like to point out to Coglin and dancingmonkey that if you reread the original post, it’s about the fact that Anet is making a lot of money off of this situation and should we as players support it. Both of you have taken this thread well off the original intent, which you both appear to enjoy doing regularly in these forums, which is a violation of the code of conduct. Many many WvW players are paying for these transfers, some willing, some gudgingly…
Server population is meaningless for PvP but obviously that population is the most significant determinant of server population, not WvW participation. At the very least, Anet could reduce the cost of transfers to lower tier servers, but it seems to me they should drop the cost across the board until they do something to address the fact that they are essentially exploiting WvW players for profit.

Well, I gathered the point was more related to the title of the thread.

Thou I do find it interesting that folks reply to others, and you single out the specific folks you disagree with to cry fowl and claim to be off topic. I for one, was simply replying to a statement. I hardly see any of it as off topic. Feel free to report those post I guess.

As far as I am concerned, they can make transferring to the lowest tiers free. I have spoken in favor of tiered pricing for transfers before. So I do not see why you call me out. It is not my fault the OP is re making a thread instead of sticking to one of the many threads existing on this issue already. Perhaps you would see my stance in what you specified, if they had.

Silverthorn.8576:

ok but now players are spamming CC without AoE cap making the stab really easy to rip, confirming a meta which is boring as hell.

It is funny, when ever someone talks about what they claim another is doing they cry “spam” when they do something they call it strategic game play. Stability till has the ability to negate a good deal of CC.

As well, just because you feel it is boring, does not mean that applies to others.

Silverthorn.8576:

The previous meta was not perfect but players still had control of their char and even if the hammer train ignored the cc the ranged player could avoid the impact. Now ranged player spam AoE CC preventing the frontline to do any move so fight are really static and boring.

No, the duel profession stacked hammer train had control over their characters. The old meta favored 2 professions and left all the other hanging in the wind. I am sorry you preferred a meta set around 2 professions. I for one prefer more value given to others and especially those outside the GWEN. AoE CC is no more or less spammed then stability. You can cry spam all you like, they are either strategic to game play or not.