Guild Wars 2

Sshhhh………

The sword! What did you do to the sword Anet??!! Light blue?! Whai? Zodiac was a subdued, dark blue design with nice lights. I don’t want to see what you’ll do to celestial weapons.(some look nice but why light blue? that’s not a zodiac sword).

EDIT: the warhorn! AHAHAHAHA!!!

lol phantasm mesmers have 20 second recharge? no, 12 seconds. Recharge doesn’t need to be reduced as phantasms are now.

TL;DR The equivalent of that for other classes would be:
Make all Pet summons in combat only.
Make all Elemental weapon/Kit Summons in combat Only.
Make Engineer Turret casts dodgeable,
Make Necromancer minion casts dodgeable.
Make Guardian Weapon Summon casts Dodgeable.
Make Ranger Pet summons and Spirit summons dodgeable

You guys can’t see the difference between these things and a ghost spitting unload every 6 seconds on a 12 second recharge? Really? Because minions/turrets/spirit weapons share the exact same recharge/damage/target summon as phantasms right? Yeah…

And then there are those of you saying “well this meta sucks for mesmers”, it sucks for a lot of things and yes mesmers took it in the face. If you take away the condition spam what’s going to happen?

And I’m not saying mesmers are perfect, broken, underpowered etc. I agree with OP that the cast should be dodgeable. Some of you seem to think Anet nerfs/buffs in linear patterns but that is never the case- one thing leads into another.

shadowfoxlotus.5109:

Ok, We all know necromancers have several skills that cause Fear, and fear can be a dangerous status in sPvP and WvW combat. Necromancers are meant to have Fear. It is a good thing for them to have.

Then tell me why the highest amount of Fear that we can deal is 1 SECOND (or 1.5 seconds if they are within 600 with one skill while we are in DS) while the Thief can cause a 3 second fear with the stolen skull. Explain this to me please.

Either nerf the skull or increase the fear duration of Necro skills. A stolen skill should never be greater than one that is built in to a class.

Hahaha no. It’s fine the way it is, it works just like fear me which is a warrior skill. The thief’s steal mechanic is made to give them something valuable against that foe, usually their own mechanic. If I steal from a thief I get stealth, warriors give AOE DPS, mesmers give boons, rangers give regen/condi clear, necros- fear, eles give chill, guards- daze and engis give condis. Anet just buffed steal so thieves would use it, very few were using steal except as a gap closer or mug traiting.

The people arguing against dodging aren’t making any sense. If we say “mesmer don’t have a lot of damage if you can dodge it” then we could say the same for almost anything. “s/d thieves don’t have a lot of damage outside larc strike, make it undodgeable” “GS guards don’t have a lot of damage outside whirling wrath, make it 600 radius and undodgeable”. Why should any class get unavoidable skills?

Sube Dai.8496:

Left behind in what? There is nothing to spend that gold on other than vanity skins. All the best gear is/will only be obtainable by time-gated currencies and materials.

Yes ascended gear is obtained through means other than gold but Anet really went overboard. Lots of people probably thought nerfing cof p1 was going to bring about some deflation and stability but the gauntlet ruined that. We don’t know what is involved to craft ascended armor/weapons and many are already speculating ectos/t6 mats(ectos are up ~7s already) will go through the roof and be unreachable for newer players. Will Anet just release more content like this so new players can get lots of gold and then prices keep rising?

Peetee.9406:

It is balanced

No risk = No reward
Risk = Fun, that is the reward

Let me let you in on a little secret, all the gold in Tyria isn’t going to make your character any stronger or you a better player. All those farmers in CS, FG, and the Pavilion are going to be sad little pandas when they do finally do complete their legendaries because making one is just 5 APs and nothing more.

GW1 player spotted. He’s right but some of you aren’t seeing why. Yes ascended armor/weapons may cost a ton of gold and give players a gear advantage in WvW(until everyone else gets it), but that twilight isn’t going to protect you from 100b or backstab. There are things worth more than gear or a legendary. If you want a certain look, go get it- I created an asuran guardian and I plan on putting the t3 cultural armor on him. Is it going to give him special abilities over other characters? no. Do I care? no. Giving super rewards for skill in combination with playtime will just lead players to perform those feats(especially pve ones) and promote new farming.

azurrei.5691:

Anet has taken the WRONG approach to encouraging “group” play. Aggregating damage across the entire group to determine loot eligibility is ridiculous. If someone doesn’t feel like grouping for dynamic events..or wants to only group with a friend or two while not having to put up with idiots/rude comments from grouping with random people, they should not be screwed out of loot eligibility.

If Anet wants to encourage grouping, give people a MF bonus for every participating group member (say 5% for a total of 20%) or a chance for bonus loot, more xp/karma, etc.

Anet should be rewarding people for grouping, not punishing them for not grouping.

Ah but that’s how most games are, 1 boss means 1 party gets the loot. I believed Anet was totally against this but if this is their new approach then it seems they’ve had a major change of heart.

Anet knows about it since every single time a legendary dies in pavilion or ember farm starts several players notice no loot…not many threads about this though. More complaining = more action by Anet.

lol players defending time-gating…what has happened to people? This article really sums up this behavior: http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html

Keep pressing the lever so Anet can collect their cash.

Same problem as zoidy, tons of people getting nothing in orr and lots of complaints. No word from Anet…?

I’m a zerk thief and I used pistol whip to make sure I wouldn’t get kitten d by the champs and I did a lot of damage. Got nothing until I got a party and even then I still got very little boxes. This is just stupid, what’s the point of having big events if you need a major dps party to get loot? Weren’t you against this Anet or is it just a bug?

I still remember casual pvp in GW1 and how easy it was to learn. At first you have no idea what’s going on but as you die and experience different builds/classes you start to put things together. You begin recognizing skills by the animation(instead of the other way around) after you’ve internalized them.

Think about it: tons of beginner players have no idea what thieves or mesmers do, they just scream “broken! NERF!” because they can’t match the animation to anything. Some noobs even think thieves are teleport hacking or mesmers are damage hacking- they have no way to discover what’s going on. So how the hell are you going to learn the game unless you play every class extensively? Who wants to do that? In a game where every class is unique and yet cast animations are sometimes generic or impossible to understand without playing that class, how can a player grow and enjoy the game? It’ll quickly become a frustration to many and they’ll leave PvP alone.

AOE loot doesn’t work that well, there should be loot bags for everything that just drop at your feet. The idea of a mini picking up loot sounds far more fun though(f2p games tend to have these right?).

ensoriki.5789:

1. Necro’s. ~ CC and burst.
2. Spirit ranger. ~ melee cleave?
Haven’t seen them in a long time but wouldn’t be surprised if DPS guardian blows it up.

This. A decently traited thief can wreck a necro and deny them any skills…and bingo on #2, DPS guards stomp adds.

During a state of the game a dev(karl mclain) said he liked what the video is against. He thought it was extremely skillful for 2 rangers to fight then go back and forth until 1 popped troll unguent and the other ranger to rupt it. It sounded like he wanted an arcade style mmo. The obvious issue is that this isn’t an arcade where there’s set factors(1v1) and you telegraph moves(the attack chain) before doing them.

Some people will counter with “it’s more skillful this way because more factors = more skill”. This isn’t true, your mind can only keep track of so much and anything you can’t see is not something you can fight. Games with a handful of mechanics like FPS can require far more skill than a bunch of things you can’t see. Cast bars(remember those? we had them in gw1…) would be great but Anet isn’t into them this time around. Casting bars would encourage more skillful play and allow less experienced players to become better at a much faster pace. As the game stands now pvp is difficult against classes you have no experience playing yourself(and can still be difficult when you do).

Kain Francois.4328:

Are you sure Arah is closed during Shank Anchorage?

Anyways, you could simply wait 10m.

I haven’t done Arah chain recently but if this is true then…wait a few minutes…problem solved…stop whining.

Every time I read these threads I feel compelled to jump in for 1 reason alone: the whiners always have a “they shouldn’t have that! I should have that!” mentality. They(the farmers) get rewards that complainers feel are “undeserved” and they vent on the forums trying to get Anet to show up as the shining angel of banhammerville. It’s so weird because all of you complaining should be farming too, that’s how games work! Intelligent farming and time spent yield greater rewards than casual running around.

o_O I didn’t think I may be colorblind…then again most men are a little. This is a sexist update! It favors women. The thing that’s gotten me several times is the gimmick where liadri is at 5% and you get pulled into an unavoidable mortality with the aoe 1/2 second from raining down.

If people read this^^ they might finally get it and vote evon.

Asking around there seems to be confusion and a belief that both fractals will be created at some point…it’s like real life politics- “oh that will never happen”. Players are looking at immediate things (WP costs vs keys they never buy) instead of the cost down the road(the better fractal). Wait a few months for “When are we getting the abaddon one? I thought it was coming after reactor.”

I hope the reactor final boss is “subject beta” so I can say “see, people suck at voting”. Besides being against Anets RNG boxes why would anyone want the reactor? It’s only visited because of the fire ele and is largely irrelevant. Abaddon’s story is crucial to the entire game. The story and landscape of gw1/2 is tied to abaddon getting beat down. So let’s go throw the demon into the sea.

Well at least he can admit that the personal story was bad. It’d be great if the living story turned to orr and created 2 of them. They could start creating large, dungeon like instances where you clear the remaining risen and restore parts of orr(like the temples) then introduce a completely cleansed version like alleluia said. A gate or option could lead people back to the former version. And we could even start rebuilding it through the living story.

No it’s not everyone. No gen x vs y stuff. :P
(unfortunately you’re kind of right)

On topic: It looks like Anet is moving soon on dungeons with static gold rewards. It’s going to be cof p1 redux once people figure out the most profitable runs.

CrossedHorse.4261:

Um, I think you missed the point. OP wasn’t doing anything except playing the game. It was the zerg who weren’t playing nice with the OP. They could have just said, hey, mind notifying people via map chat in future? But they went straight to the verbal abuse. Why should the OP want to play nice with that? Works both ways, you know?

Disruptions like this have been happening for a while so people get upset easily and are assuming he’s messing with them. The thing is, we don’t know the contents of the conversations- only OPs post.

It’s also common courtesy to say “troll up”. If I start an event that I know others want to participate in and keep them out of it then I’m being a d**k.

I should be telling them whenever I start a champ event. I tell them that they are inconveniencing me

See this? Don’t do this. All he has to say is “troll up”. People aren’t going to bash or praise him. They don’t care about him, they want the troll.

I care. I’d like everyone to enjoy this game without a group of kittenes shouting them down for not following their rules.

You’re misinterpreting my text and seeing it in a negative tone. OP actually echoes my line “we don’t care about you” here:

Now I don’t usually care about what other players do to level or farm gold

hahaha this thread…again…This is really simple: GW2 is a game designed around helping and being helpful. If you’re not being helpful and are being obstructive, people are going to say something. After the same thing happens a few times (sometimes because of d—bags) they simply start telling people off since they assume you’re being a d—bag. There’s no need to make a thread about this OP. Are you trying to justify being unhelpful to others? Because they don’t care about you, we don’t care about you, it doesn’t matter what you do. If you don’t want to play nice with others then don’t expect others to play nice with you.

Earlier tonight I ran CoE p2. It took well over an hour and closer to 2 hours. The amount of times I can run CoFp1 in that same amount of time would be some where in the neighborhood of 10 to 15 times or more.

Even if CoFp1 speed runs were not a thing CoF is just a shorter dungeon, period. The fights aren’t as long, there aren’t as many of them, and they aren’t as annoying.

Also for my efforts in CoE I got a little silver and 66 dungeon tokens and like 6-10 blues and greens. In the same time doing CoF I could make 5-10 gold and several hundred dungeon tokens. Not to mention several full inventories full of loot.

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time vs. reward

Why do a dungeon that is longer than 10mins, if the reward doesnt matchup?

C’mon Anet. Don’t dangle a legendary in front of people if you don’t want them to find the smartest way of getting it.

Anet is going to try and increase variety soon by removing gold from champions. It looks like a weak approach and I’d rather see them institute more dynamic gameplay to dungeons.

Anet could:

• Introduce a system where player traffic affects loot tables. All dungeons start at 1.00 loot, the same as they are now. As more people play a dungeon (not taking paths into account as that is too complex to discuss here) the loot percentage decreases and affects chest drops. The people standing next to the dungeons can keep players up-to-date on percentages throughout the servers(tables would be uniform, JQ gets the same as DB etc). A simple example: COF is being farmed a lot and the drops are .30(30% of a normal chest rate) while AC is .50 and COE is 1.60. COE is far better than the other two so people will move there for better drops. The loot rate could affect tokens, mob drops, gold upon completion as well…If Anet did this I’d hope they use decent volatility in loot rates.

• Introduce more boss-specific items. This is simple. Anet did this in GW1 and it led to the farming of dungeons all by itself.

• Create dynamic dungeons. COE 3in1 was a fun dungeon. Using portal you were able to do all 3 paths in one go, bypassing the slow and boring beginning. The first time doing it I thought, “wow Anet did something right, this is actually fun” without realizing the glitches that went into it or how Anet would remove it. Anet could create a system allowing players to complete a path then move to another, bypassing some part of that next path just like COE 3in1.

• Allow players to start multiple paths, make it akin to FOW and UW in GW1. This probably won’t work in some dungeons and won’t be implemented but it’d be fun to see different strategies/builds emerge if Anet did this.

• Remove the uncontesting events. They’re useless with guesting available and don’t promote dungeon gameplay. If they provided a buff or item related to dungeons then they’d be useful.

blah blah blah because invulnerable and stability stomp are underpowered? Every stomp should be interrupted right?

If you make revealed last forever then thieves will just sit in stealth all day until the perfect opening comes along. Then you’ll still cry nerf. If the thief goes S/D you’ll cry nerf on that too.

No monks please. This whole board will become filled with “am monk no get loot eff anet why?”. You have to do damage to get loot in gw2 and a healer won’t get anything. Not only that, GW2 would have to be completely redone to account for healers. You’d need a healer at all times or a healer would break the game and let you steamroll everything. Go play guardian.

Lighter.5631:

maybe you should watch a engineer solo fotm volcano final boss.

Warriors can solo the entire ascalon fractal at level 20 and arah paths. So there is a bias here even if engis can solo legendaries.

What could Anet realistically do? We could have more diverse dungeons and instances which required actual roles but then what? It defeats the idea of “any class any role” and with the introduction of ascended armor it’ll make it even harder to fit those different roles. Do you have 3 sets of ascended trinkets on every character? Because we don’t ping skills, we’re focused on stats. And if a dungeon becomes harder/role-based/gear-based then some people can’t play it.

After that trait update I’m more of a thief than I’ve ever been. No name change necessary.

OP did you ever do union farming? Or any type of farm in any game? Ever seen someone come and mess up your farm for no reason when they could have joined you and made more money? People don’t like kittenbags. If you mess up a farm for no visible reason then everyone is going to assume you’re a kittenbag.

VOTE EVON FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

Thief has good range for steal if you trait for it but that’s all we get. The thing that sucks the most about the clusterbomb nerf is shooting at enemies below a tower. You’ll never hit anything.

BrunoBRS.5178:

that’s the thief way. if you’re not lying dead on the ground, you haven’t lost, no matter what you resorted to.

Sure you’ve lost. It’s called surrendering or giving up. If you’re dealing with more than 1 person then it’s called “tactical retreat”. Although that’s only if you’re going to come back when you see an opportunity.

Osi.3504:

Euthymia.4807:

Osi.3504:

TL:DR Downed state adds more skill and allows you to turn a fight around, I like it personally

I don’t see how it adds more skill to a fight. You were doing bad enough to find yourself in a downstate in the first place.

They could remove downstate and give people a little more health to compensate, and achieve basically the same thing — Give people a few more seconds to fight.

It’s simple really and you apparently are not able to grasp the concept. The more there is to a fight (wither it’s key binds, the complexity of the class compared to another) all goes to total skill. (how much better you perform over others mainly). If you can preform better than someone alive and down them, great, if you can do it in the downed state, great again.

Why do people believe this? More factors = more randomness = less skill. Ever play an FPS? It’s simple AND skillful. Some MMOs have 3-4 classes with a handful of mechanics and are much more skillful than GW2 in regards to 1 vs 2+.

If anet wants the downed state to be a new phase of the battle, then they should make it balanced for all classes and look into the rally mechanics as well (see the reasons given above).

Yes…the imbalance is just stupid. I fought 2 people today and was downed then teleported and blinded to prevent 2 stomps. 2 of my teammates showed up to fight and I avoided 4 more stomps(not joking) over the course of the fight. Sure, they should have just attacked instead of stomping and killed me(although how often does a thief avoid 6 stomps?) but why are down states so screwed up? If I down a guardian and I’m low health then I can’t stomp unprotected, or I’ll be downed and he’ll res. Same with rangers and warriors getting vengeance. Necros drop your health a ton if you get anywhere near them. Eles get invulnerable and movement, thieves teleport/stealth and mesmers clone/stealth themselves. These last 3 favor team fights but the other 4 favor downing someone who’s downed you and then ressing yourself. Where was the logic in any of this?

Can we get an option to remove down state in spvp? And how about a deathmatch mode Anet?

I don’t WvW much anymore since it’s so slow, boring and a generally poor form of pvp. But today we got blue in WvW and I wanted to finish WvW maps so I went there. I ran into a thief at a distance and was expecting to fight him but he put on assassin’s signet and dropped refuge(going for a 1 shot obviously) with 25 bloodlust. I started to run away but thought “nah screw it, I’ll just refuge too and if he hits me oh well”. Well he hit me for 12.2k(I’m glass cannon thief 1980 armor) and I didn’t make a thread on the forums about it. Sure I could have just run but so what? Is it balanced when a guardian uses shield of wrath, waits then teleports to you for huge aoe damage? When a mesmer immobilizes you then shatter spikes? No. Spiking isn’t about fairness and this game is becoming more and more about getting the jump on opponents. Ever had an ele RTL out of nowhere, updraft then spike you?…spiking is everywhere, the thief gets crapped on for having stealth and 1 spike skill.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

As for spear #5, it always been a waste of initiative and even more so now. Flanking Strike IMO is way better choice.

Thief underwater was borderline broken before the nerf because of spear 5. You just evade forever with proper initiative and skill use.

Lopez.7369:

Debuff and DOT builds have been standard in MMOs for as long as I can remember, so you must not play a lot of MMOs.

Hmm maybe I just don’t play the same games. Although I do avoid generic mmos now…(I never played wow or rift).

I’ve never ever seen a game where conditions were a main mechanic. Conditions are ALWAYS a secondary mechanic used to bolster the character. It’s nonsensical to have pure condition builds since it’ll eventually degenerate into casting conditions then running in circles until they overwhelm your opponent.

I used sigil of fire once on a dagger and that was it. It kept revealing me and I went back to air. Another thing that sucks is if you click on a person twice and get within range then backstab will auto attack.

animalmom.1062:

Is this S/D. S/D for SPVP?

What traits? I’m guessing:

10 Mug
30 Furious Retaliation, Side Strike, Executioner
0
0
30 TOtC, Bountiful Theft, Sleight of hand?

Also – weapon runes – accuracy and Something on swap like Hydromancy?

Is this full zerker or Valk Armor, Zerk accessories?
/seriously asking – very interested

Something like:
10- III
30- III or VI, X, XI
0
0
30- V, VII, XII

Steal then does damage/heals with mug, gives fury/might/swiftness through TotC, steals boons and gives vigor with bountiful and dazes with sleight of hand. Then the auto traits give 3 initiative and poison when stealing. Full zerk gear to retain the massive spike damage of backstab/steal on D/P.

Zepidel.5349:

new meta = Nothing has changed

Patrician D/D 25-30-0-x-x will go on about exactly as they have before patch knowing thier at the top of the thief tiers.

I didn’t know D/D was used regularly anymore. D/P and S/D are both more prevalent in PvP and are much harder to kill. But you’re right, that 25/30/XXX build is essentially untouched so who knows?

I’ve watched a thief use P/D P/P build in sPvP. His play style revolved around stealthing to get close and dropping caltrops all over his foe. Then he overwhelmed them with sneak attack and 2x unload. Think he used caltrops, shadow refuge and blinding powder for utility and had 19k health(not certain though).

If you’re truly a noob who’s played just a few hours then I must say you’re quite observant. Look around these forums a bit to get a better idea of the pve imbalances when choosing your first profession. To answer your question, yes the thief is weak in pve especially versus the guardian.

The list is kinda weird. It’s about ridiculous exaggerations not most players. You’re more likely to find people on this list in the real world than in-game.

There aren’t that many items you steal so everything is easily recognizable. And each time you steal it gives the same thing basically. Warriors give whirling axe, mesmers give ectos and necros give fear. You’re right though, lots of thieves don’t use it. The long recharge time makes it almost impossible to use more than once per fight and lots of thieves using it are just traited for mug.