Guild Wars 2

I put them in my bank. Once I hit 250, I’ll just start sending them to the first person I see

I feel like I don’t need to specifically leave positive feedback, because what I do in game is going to show up on their metrics that the game surely collects. For the fact that I am in the game and playing means that I am enjoying the game, and then the activities I do in the game will show what I enjoy the most. I’ll come to the forum if there is something specifically that I want to leave feedback on for improvement.

Nuka Cola.8520:

filled it up and its not looking pretty lol

So what you are saying is that it is not looking good because of how you answered? /roll eyes

They don’t show you any results, and won’t show any for another 1 to 2 months. So for you to say “It is not looking pretty” just means that the only results that you know of, are your very own answers.

I’ll use your logic then.

Filled it up, and it is looking excellent.

I am at 37% luck

I didn’t know about any of the bugs, I just don’t like playing big characters. Most people I know who don’t want to play Charr is because of the size of the Charr race. /shrug

Holy carp, how do some of you people play for 8+ hours a day, how do you have the time? =O

Anyways, 380 hours 60 deaths between my 4 characters (levels 62, 33, 27, 20), played the game since the game released.

In my experience, I would say that I got more loot while in a group then I did when solo, but that seems to be more because in a group you can kill things faster, which means more mobs killed per hour in a group than solo, which means higher chance of loot.

Okiru.7635:

I’m not going after ascended items, I hope that my toons will still be relevant in the future.

They will be relevant, content is not going to be made based on people having ascended gear. The closest thing to that is Fractals, but you get the ascended gear naturally as you progress through the Fractal levels, and that is only because of the +agony you need, and by the time you need that +agony, you will have it.

Conner.4702:

Vayne.8563:

SonicTHI.3217:

Carlin Sanders.3587:

Have gw1 fans forgotten the name of the fancy versions of armor you got on prophecies? does ‘ascended’ armor ring a bell?

exotic was designed to do a job – make top tier something that required effort so that people can actually appreciate what they have. it failed. so they had to bring in ascended to do that job. (would you salvage an ascended weapon? in comparison, would you salvage an exotic? and why?)

edit: and have we forgotten the point of why skill point scrolls exist? are we going to cry and whine when they introduce new skills into the game that seem better than the current meta? of course we will.

I wish people would stop spreading disinformation about GW1 already. 15k GW1 armor had the SAME stats as 1,5k and the SAME as obsidian or any other max armor.
Legendary had the SAME stats as exotic. Ascended was not needed in any way and goes against everything explained in numerous blog posts and interviews over the course of several years.
And no i wouldnt salvage my exotic weapon if it was max stat. Exotics required enough effort for most people. Especially if you wanted to have a fully geared character or god forbid alts.

Ascended was not brought in to do “a job”. It was brought in to please a subset of players that were complaining or leaving in droves – the same people that wanted GW2 to be more like WoW.

Unfortunately these same players can not be pleased. Ever. Once they have their chars geared out in ascended they will either demand new shinies again or leave.

ANET is doing the same 2 stupid things most companies in the last decade tried to do: trying to cater to everyone and trying to do what WoW does best.

I wish Guild Wars 1 players would stop spreading misinformation, like that there was no grind in Guild Wars that affected your character’s power. That’s just wrong. It wasn’t gear, sure, but then, there were plenty of skills that you had to level through rep, that were needed for some builds, like imbagon. Or do you not remember people in Guild Wars 1 looking for groups of r8 ursan?

And I wish the white knight GW2 fanboys would stop posting misinformation. None of the PVE only skills needed a high rep to be useful for the vast majority of the playerbase. You got high enough level just by playing. You are using a very small subset of people to make an argument in your favor. No PVE skills were ever needed to complete any content. Most of them got nerfed extremely fast as well. Take of your tunnelvision glasses for once

You just described ascended gear here.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

I guess I don’t see the big deal… the exact same thing has been available on gw2lfg.com for the last 8 months… I have yet to wait longer then 2 minutes to find a group.

Up until this tread, I didn’t even know gw2lfg.com even existed, and I bet the vast majority of the players don’t know it either. I would also bet that there will be far far more players that will use the in game LFG tool, then there has ever been on some unnofficial, word of mouth only, website.

Thrumdi.9216:

moiraine.2753:

People panic too much and in the end it was for nothing.First of all for 12 months we received only 6 Ascended items.Which is not what i would call a gear tread mill.Gear tread mill is when you have to upgread your armor every 2 or 4 months.In GW2 we don’t have such thing.
Second thing that i find funny is that Anet stated Ascended will be the last tier of gear.So WTF are you talking about OP?Endless tread mill?!?!?Are you kidding with me?

Now when Ascended weapons were introduced people started to panic again.Come on people calm down.It’s not such a big deal as some try to make it.Fractals are no even uncapped yet and the differrence in stats is no so high than exotic.People in no time will have their Ascended weapons.

It is the last tier. That’s tier. Not level.

When they raise the level cap, you will have to grind out Ascendeds all over again.

Maybe, maybe not, we do not know that yet. Perhaps they’ll make ascended gear level with you, and then they will have different looking ascended gear to get at the new level cap that will have the same stats as your ascended gear that leveled with you.

Treborlavok.3504:

Draknar.5748:

Bread.7516:

this…seriously…this.

and when ascended armor comes out, ascended WILL be the gear check in the future. (the total difference is huge)

Uhm, what gear check are you talking about? I’ve run PUGs in almost every dungeon, and almost every path with full greens/yellows (on alts) and had no issues. Not once has anyone ever asked me to ping my gear running dungeons and I’ve yet to have our group fail on anything because of it. If I was looking to do FoTM 30+, sure I could see the gear check requirement, but the people that do FoTM 30+ are a very small minority of the playerbase.

Perhaps ascended gear will affect your elite speed dungeon run/high level FoTM groups, but I can tell you that 95% of the players will have no issue running every bit of content with the armor they can get now.

This isn’t WoW, there are no gear checks…only kittens gearcheck people in GW2 for anything that isn’t high level FoTM or dungeon speed runs, and if you’re the kind of person that farms dungeons and runs high level FoTM then odds are you are the same person that wants a gear treadmill anyway and are looking forward to the ascended tier. It will affect no one else.

1 piece of gear will make no difference what so ever. But if you match up 2 players of equal skill…

1 in full exotics

1 in full ascended

The player in full ascended gear will win because they have the most/best stats…I’m talking about a wvw scenario here.

In pve, who cares about the implementation of ascended gear. Noone, it’s a “goal” for pl to shoot for. It’s when you start to look at wvw and ascended vs exotics that things get mis matched.

So in the sense of fighting players of equal skill in wvw. Your are 100% required to have full ascended gear to be able to compete.

The chances of 1 on 1 fight in WvWvW is pretty low, then the chances of it being someone being a real 80 is not 100% chance, then it being someone with ascended gear, still really low. Then the chances it is someone of equal skill to you, still low, and then the chances that his dice are rolled always higher than yours to make him hit harder, still low. Then taking into account that the damage of ascend weapon is about 5% more over exotic.

Taking in the whole picture, there is a lot of low chance stuff to happen all at once to make the small increase of ascend over exotics have to really matter.

Equal skilled people, one wearing ascended and one wearing exotic does not mean an automatic win for the ascended wearing player will win, the difference in gear is so small, that the dice rolls will play an even bigger role in that fight then the gear will.

Gele.2048:

wvsw its not even close to how much fun gvg was not even close

IMO, WvWvW is a ton better then GvG

Thrumdi.9216:

Does anyone else feel this way?

I felt this tonight when I logged into my alts.

It really felt like I was taking them out for the last time. That all these guys I wanted to raise up and make fully fledged characters at level 80 would now be put out to pasture. With no realistic way to kit them out in Ascendeds, I know they would just be a drag on my teammates in WvW. So everything I had planned out for them is gone.

I didn’t play Star Wars Galaxies, but I read a lot about how they changed the game from something special into just another game to bring in a mass audience. In a way, I feel the same sense of mourning those players did.

R.I.P. Guild Wars 2

(You can read about the Star Wars Galaxies NGW here).

I was in a WvWvW, having some fun, kicking some gluteus maximus. Had lots of player telling me that I played a pivotal role in lots of victories. I was in the level 30’s, in blue (fine) gear. If not being 80, and not having the highest gear possible allowed others to state that I played a pivotal role in victories, then not having ascended isn’t going to matter either.

You do not need Ascended, and not having ascended does not automatically mean you are a hindrance,. skill and teamwork still means far far far more than gear. It is all in your head only that you would be a hindrance. The other players we were going against had exotics/legendary items, and none of that stuff mattered.

Irrodesia.3907:

• Are there going to be increased stats on gear? Yes.
  The reason that there isn’t an intention of new tiers of gear passed Ascended is because they intend to continue upgrading the power of Ascended. Their ‘low’ power curve. The player has to update their Ascended gear through infusions or whatever else in order to become more powerful. AKA a gear grind just without a new tier of gear. But because there is no new tier of gear they are claiming there isn’t a gear grind.

Citation needed. That is a bold claim that you need to back up with Developer statements. If you are going to claim something as a fact, you better have facts to actually prove it.

At this point, it is a very safe assumption that you are just speculating, and nothing else. Didn’t bother reading the rest of your post, because obviously it would all be based on your speculation.

TriggerSad.2597:

Dyno.9467:

Chuo.4238:

Dyno.9467:

Godzzila.3752:

When there is no such thing as wars between guilds…
I mean you might aswell just called the game: Guilds 2

Cause its the follow up to Guild Wars 1…………2 pages for this? Seriously?

Except it kind of isn’t.

Kind of is, hence the kittene

Not really. The story isn’t a continuation of the first as there isn’t much of anything connecting the two together. We do have the interactions with Primordus in Eye of the North, but we don’t ever see that in Guild Wars 2. At all save for a Meta event in Mount Maelstrom and one small section of Kessex and Brisban.
We do see it with the Elder Dragons in general, but that in it of itself isn’t a very strong connection to tie the two together. Dragons were never a threat in Guild Wars, it was the conflict that the human gods had with one another that was the story behind the first series of games.

Gameplay-wise… There is nothing in Guild Wars 2 that screams “This is Guild Wars!”
From the profession system to how combat works, nothing in Guild Wars 2 give players a sense that they are playing a Guild Wars kittenle. Nothing.

Same can be said about WoW, Witcher 2, Final Fantasy 11/14, and probably so many other sequels -.-

Chuo.4238:

Dyno.9467:

Chuo.4238:

Dyno.9467:

Godzzila.3752:

When there is no such thing as wars between guilds…
I mean you might aswell just called the game: Guilds 2

Cause its the follow up to Guild Wars 1…………2 pages for this? Seriously?

Except it kind of isn’t.

Kind of is, hence the kittene

That’s the point of the thread, mate. The kittene’s about the only substantial thing they have in common. Completely different philosophies, as it were.

Only substantial thing is the name of the game? Well, I guess you are right if you exclude the lore /rolleyes.

Tom Gore.4035:

No Walking.6349:

So many people don’t know their lore

That’s not really the point of all this.

The fact is that the name “Guild Wars” is very misleading when the game does not have any wars between guilds in it.

Misleading product names are borderline illegal in most countries.

Since Guild Wars is a major part of the history of Tyria, they named the game after those events, it is therefore is not misleading. Guild does not automatically equal to player guilds.

Hmm, don’t know what to tell you. Never had to go to another races area to level up or spend any money to level up, and I have 3 character of 3 different races, and only about 10% of the content they have been through have been the same as the others. Are you skipping the events, and just doing your character missions, and the hearts?

My brother also has about 3 characters, and among his 3 characters he has been to zones that none of my 3 characters have been to, and vice versa.

Seems like if you pick a different race, most (not all) of your playing from 1-80 will be different than a previous character, especially if you make different decisions while playing through the main quests. On each of my races, there have been a crap ton of zones that I did on one character that I never went to on another character. /shrug

I have missed 208 days. I only have 19 laurels. Because of school, work, and family, I don’t get to play very often, and when I do I concentrate on completing the zones instead of trying to complete the dailys. If I concentrated on the dailys, I wouldn’t get very far on completing the zones and enjoying the storyline of the main story and the side stories of the zone.

Kirschwasser.3972:

eisberg.2379:

Guild Wars is in reference to a historical War in the Tyria’s lore. Nothing to do with player guilds vs Player guilds. The Guild Wars ended when the Char invaded Ascalon

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Guild_Wars

No no no no no.

The game was called Guild Wars because Guild vs Guild combat was a main attraction regarding the game. The Guild Wars had very little to do with the game except as a setup for the charr to invade and whatnot, but not enough influence to name the game after.

The name of the game was absolutely based on the intention of the content.

Official wiki says you are wrong. The campaign was also the main attraction regarding the game. Heck, the GvG didn’t change all that much throughout all the different “Expansions” as compared to the PVE.

The only reason that you are correct about is Guild Wars 1 having GvG, your other reasons have nothing to do with Guild vs Guild PvP. Again, Guild Wars is nothing more than a reference to a historical war. This game is set in the same world 250 years later, so it would make sense to call it Guild Wars 2 for the name recognition.

Myst Dawnbringer.9138:

I want real time dynamic world events….. I want an in game event timer log so you can plan your play around what’s going to happen….

Wait, what? Scheduled Dynamic events? /mind blown =P

My brother named his Charr

Butfart Burnfur =D

tom.7468:

Draknar.5748:

People just don’t like to spend money for something they feel they should get for free.

This is how i feel about it too. If someone want to support Arenanet then thats awesome.
But this is something so fundamental that charging for it is a bit steep.
If you have irl friends in other servers you cant play wvw with them. And if you have friends from different servers you can only guest 2 times. Paying for server transfer is so expensive you might as well buy a new gw2copy. And thats why not that many transfer now. I used to transfer a lot during free transfers. wvw was a different experience on every server. Before paid transfer i changed to a server because i had a real life friend there. He quitted the game pretty fast. I also have a couple in another server. But i cant play wvw with them because changing server is just not worth it. It cost too much.

You can guest on two servers per week, but get to guest as much as you want on those servers during the week.

Bright.9160:

This thread is funny… Usually people don’t get mad at you unless you’re bad… But there are exceptions…

But if people keep independently and consecutively keep getting mad at you, I’d start thinking about why…

I’ve added PUGs in the past because they showed they are good players. Not even too long ago, in fact.

Maybe the fault lies not with the dungeon community…

Well with me, it is before we even get into the dungeon, it is during the “Interview” after joining the group that I get kicked. So you are right, my fault that I don’t have experience -.-

I think they should down scale Story Mode to solo mode, and then keep the other paths as they are.

Danikat.8537:

eisberg.2379:

Panda Shepard.1248:

This is not Anet’s fault. Personally, I enjoy doing dailies and I don’t let a game control my life. If I don’t have time to do them, I won’t.
Some people can’t control themselves. It’s better that these guys quit the game just for their own safety. They’re just taking care of their own sanity. But OP doesn’t need to come out here and say Anet’s at fault and dailies need to go. I can handle myself thanks. I have common sense.

you forgot the generation we are in. We are in a generation where someone spills coffee on themselves and sues Mcdonalds for the coffee being hot, and she wins. Or where a person trips over a child running around in a store, and sues the store for “allowing” children to run around, the ironic thing is the person tripped over their own child, and they won the law suit. So of course it is Anets fault, /sigh

Off-topic but just for the record the story about the woman suing McDonalds sounds a lot more reasonable when you hear the full story – specifically that she received 3rd degree burns (through her clothes) and needed a skin graft in hospital to recover.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants

(Also she was 79 when it happened, back in 1994 so unlikely to be part of whatever generation you mean by “the one we are in”.)

Generation, as in the Frivolous Litigation Generation

Lurch.9517:

balance does not exist, spvp only barely exists, WvW will shortly not exist… Only PVE exists in this game and anyone who says different is desperately clinging to a false hope.

Except for they have more people in sPvP now than they ever did in Guild Wars 1. They also have more people playing WvWvW now, than they had active players in Guild Wars 1. This was mentioned recently in an interview.

I gave up on using that LFG website, tried for months, and would get kicked out of the groups about 90% of the time because of:

1- First time running it (probably accounts for 75% of the kicks)
2- Not being level 80
3- “Don’t have good enough gear”

Since than, I haven’t got into any groups for dungeons, because I am not going to stand around in Lions Arch typing in chat looking for a group, cause everytime I do that, it takes hours to find a group that will take someone that isn’t 80, or not running it the first time.

Joined several guilds, and most of them are just massive number guilds where they just want all the people to get more bonus’ and were nothing more than another chat room. It is really hard to find legitimately good guilds.

So hopefully the new LFG tool will help, but not sure.

I’m a patient, nice person, willing to learn and take instructions. But nobody wants to let in an inexperienced player, but the only way to get experience is to already have the experience apparently -.-

Panda Shepard.1248:

This is not Anet’s fault. Personally, I enjoy doing dailies and I don’t let a game control my life. If I don’t have time to do them, I won’t.
Some people can’t control themselves. It’s better that these guys quit the game just for their own safety. They’re just taking care of their own sanity. But OP doesn’t need to come out here and say Anet’s at fault and dailies need to go. I can handle myself thanks. I have common sense.

you forgot the generation we are in. We are in a generation where someone spills coffee on themselves and sues Mcdonalds for the coffee being hot, and she wins. Or where a person trips over a child running around in a store, and sues the store for “allowing” children to run around, the ironic thing is the person tripped over their own child, and they won the law suit. So of course it is Anets fault, /sigh

Don’t you have to get 100% Map Completion to craft the legendary?

How about “the super duper lucky gambler”, or “Master Grinder”? =P

Forums are used more for complaining then it is for praising, so the results will be very skewed.

Myst Dawnbringer.9138:

I suggest Rift or WoW for fishing.

Or the Torchlight series =P

AntiGw.9367:

Tachenon.5270:

We could have ascended fishing poles and legendary bait and tackle boxes with a new (oh noes) Fish Find stat.

Why did you censor the name of the moa?

It is illegal to reveal the names of those you get on camera or video without their permission. Looks like the Moa didn’t fill out the forms needed to reveal his name. But at least he allowed his face to be there instead of that being blurred out

=P

Fishing in real life is a lot of fun and relaxing. The Great out doors, the peace and quiet, the smell of fresh air, seeing the animals of nature going about their daily lives.

Fishing in a game….. none of that, and extremely boring.

:)

stof.9341:

eisberg.2379:

Collect the stuff yourself and it is significantly less than 200G

I’m not sure I’d want to follow money advices from someone that doesn’t understand the notion of Opportunity Cost.

Opportunity costs are irrelevant if your goal is to get an ascended weapon, and want it as soon as possible and cheap as possible. I am very aware of opportunity costs, but that is a stupid notion to use in a game.

Banquetto.9521:

eisberg.2379:

Collect the stuff yourself and it is significantly less than 200G

If you collect 200G worth of stuff yourself and use it, then the opportunity cost of leveling crafting was indeed exactly 200G.

If you collect the stuff while you are doing stuff that is fun, than it cost you nothing. How much you can potentially make by selling the materials are irrelevant, if you are going to use it anyways.

Zepidel.5349:

@ everyone saying just farm the mats yourself, how about HOW LONG does it takes I’m pretty sure its over 100 hours of gathering mats… again a massive grind.

I’m backing up my 200g claim with a real source were is yours?

I need to back up my statement with a source about collecting the materials yourself? Kind of a strange request, considering you already know you can buy the materials from the TP from other players, which means they had to get them in the game somehow. Here you go, my source that says the materials are through out the world

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/economy-report-brace-yourself-disequilibrium-is-coming/

So there is my source that says you can collect them materials yourself.

Zepidel.5349:

Vespirisa.1497:

200g? The amount I spent was no where near that number. I just refined ori and ancient wood I gathered, made some sharpening stones and crafted a few exotics. I think I spent less than 25. Also the 200g on the website is due to the inflated prices that will eventually drop. oh from 450 I just refined ascended mats I got from champ loot bags.

Yes 200g. You speculated in wood/ore, as did I thankfully. Regardless its 200g.

Collect the stuff yourself and it is significantly less than 200G

MikaHR.1978:

eisberg.2379:

MikaHR.1978:

eisberg.2379:

MikaHR.1978:

Yeni.3507:

MikaHR.1978:

eisberg.2379:

Nasher.6874:

Yea, one of the selling points and attractions to GW2 was that it was NOT a grindfest. But they seem to be going back on that, so what’s the point in playing GW2 over others MMOs?

And it still isn’t, no grinding required to play all the content of this game, unlike other MMOs.

Wrong…again.

Actually eisberg.2379 is correct, there isn’t a game content that require Ascended Weapon or heavy grind to do, and every update living world event is open to anyone and everyone, every grindy content (i.e.Legendary, Ascended gear) they are all optional.

The only content that I can think of which require gear check is “high” level fractals, which is totally optional, and low level fractal is still open to anyone.

And its the same in other MMOs therefore he is wrong. But he has been explained that same thing at least 10 times by now soooo….

Up until someone told me that Blizzard made it so that you can see all the raids without having the gear from the previous raid, I didn’t know they did that. But before they did that recently, you had to grind out the current Raid over and over and over again till you can get the gear so you can get to the next fun part, and this has been true for every other MMO I have ever played. Guild Wars 2 is literally the first MMO I have played since 1999, that did not need any kind of grinding in order to get to the fun parts.

Arenanet set out to make a non grindy game, and they did it fantastically. Legendary are not needed for anything, ascended weapons are not needed for anything, ascended gear is only needed for Fractals, and you can get those by just completing the levels and you are not stuck on the same level of fractal till you get gear to get to the next fun part.

So no, it is not the same as every other MMO, which makes you wrong.

And as i said, you lack experience and thus make wrong claims.

Noone cares about 1999 or 5 years ago.

I was thinking the same about you, you must have been playing MMOs for less than 5 years. I have been playing MMOs since 1999, yet some how I am the one that lacks experience? =D. I have been playing MMOs for so long, that I know what a grindy game is, and Guild Wars 2 is not one. Just because there is optional grind, doesn’t mean it is a grindy game. GW2 is an optional grind, and not needed to participate and complete all content.

Spare us all, as i said noone cares about 1999. Or 5 years ago. You know nothing about what i have and have not played, and thats because noone cares.

And im glad you realized your mistake. At least something.

I made no mistake in the first place, so don’t know where you are getting “realized your mistake” I have been stating the whole time, GW2 is not a grindy game because no grind is needed to complete any of the content in order to continue on and get to the fun parts.

MikaHR.1978:

eisberg.2379:

MikaHR.1978:

Yeni.3507:

MikaHR.1978:

eisberg.2379:

Nasher.6874:

Yea, one of the selling points and attractions to GW2 was that it was NOT a grindfest. But they seem to be going back on that, so what’s the point in playing GW2 over others MMOs?

And it still isn’t, no grinding required to play all the content of this game, unlike other MMOs.

Wrong…again.

Actually eisberg.2379 is correct, there isn’t a game content that require Ascended Weapon or heavy grind to do, and every update living world event is open to anyone and everyone, every grindy content (i.e.Legendary, Ascended gear) they are all optional.

The only content that I can think of which require gear check is “high” level fractals, which is totally optional, and low level fractal is still open to anyone.

And its the same in other MMOs therefore he is wrong. But he has been explained that same thing at least 10 times by now soooo….

Up until someone told me that Blizzard made it so that you can see all the raids without having the gear from the previous raid, I didn’t know they did that. But before they did that recently, you had to grind out the current Raid over and over and over again till you can get the gear so you can get to the next fun part, and this has been true for every other MMO I have ever played. Guild Wars 2 is literally the first MMO I have played since 1999, that did not need any kind of grinding in order to get to the fun parts.

Arenanet set out to make a non grindy game, and they did it fantastically. Legendary are not needed for anything, ascended weapons are not needed for anything, ascended gear is only needed for Fractals, and you can get those by just completing the levels and you are not stuck on the same level of fractal till you get gear to get to the next fun part.

So no, it is not the same as every other MMO, which makes you wrong.

And as i said, you lack experience and thus make wrong claims.

Noone cares about 1999 or 5 years ago.

I was thinking the same about you, you must have been playing MMOs for less than 5 years. I have been playing MMOs since 1999, yet some how I am the one that lacks experience? =D. I have been playing MMOs for so long, that I know what a grindy game is, and Guild Wars 2 is not one. Just because there is optional grind, doesn’t mean it is a grindy game. GW2 is an optional grind, and not needed to participate and complete all content.

Yams.6082:

eisberg.2379:

Those who feel that Arenanet “Lied” need to realize that their opinion of what a grindy game is, is different then what Arenanet, and many players, opinion of what a grindy game is.

For what it’s worth, at least the leveling curve in GW2 is flat. I have played crazy Asian MMOs where the amount of XP needed from one level to the next is exponential.

I think most players are unhappy with the fact that there is a huge time commitment required to get the ascended weapons. The time commitment doesn’t come in the form of # of hours required (although a significant component), but the fact that it would take weeks of crafting to fully gear out one toon.

For example, my WvW mesmer uses a sword, focus and staff. Assuming I get no weapon drops, and my progress is gated only by the daily crafting limit (i.e. no shortage of crafting materials), it would take 6 weeks before I have all the weapons I need. Any day where I don’t log in to craft is a day lost, for good; progress can’t be made up on the weekend. When a game has a zero-sum component to it, it becomes a chore rather than an enjoyable past-time.

I know I don’t have to log in daily, or that maybe it doesn’t take a long time to refine 1 ecto, but the fact is that at some point in my day I need to get on GW2 or I delay my progress.

The good thing is, that delay in progress towards ascended weapons, will not delay you from completing any of the content this game has to offer. This delay will not delay you from getting to the fun stuff, as compared to other MMOs, any delay in getting gear can delay you from getting to the fun content. That is the difference between a grindy game and Guild Wars 2, no grinding needed to get to the fun stuff.

Peets.8529:

Colly.4073:

Peets.8529:

MikaHR.1978:

Yeni.3507:

MikaHR.1978:

eisberg.2379:

Nasher.6874:

Yea, one of the selling points and attractions to GW2 was that it was NOT a grindfest. But they seem to be going back on that, so what’s the point in playing GW2 over others MMOs?

And it still isn’t, no grinding required to play all the content of this game, unlike other MMOs.

Wrong…again.

Actually eisberg.2379 is correct, there isn’t a game content that require Ascended Weapon or heavy grind to do, and every update living world event is open to anyone and everyone, every grindy content (i.e.Legendary, Ascended gear) they are all optional.

The only content that I can think of which require gear check is “high” level fractals, which is totally optional, and low level fractal is still open to anyone.

And its the same in other MMOs therefore he is wrong. But he has been explained that same thing at least 10 times by now soooo….

Soo, if I get it right then MMO = Grind.
Then those who do not like are playing a genre they don’t like?

People where drawn to this game because it was stated that this game would be “Different” than all other MMO’s in that there would be no need to grind “To Quote Mike Obrien, We don’t make grindy games”

So it’s not that people don’t like the Genre or the Grindy, They just don’t like being sold a product that will involve no grind when it is the complete opposite.

But then again, what you call grinding is something what I don’t call grinding.
So in your eyes they didn’t delivered what was promised but in my eyes they did.

I agree with this. Apparently my idea, and yours, of what a Grindy game is and Arenanet’s idea of a grindy game is are the same.

Those who feel that Arenanet “Lied” need to realize that their opinion of what a grindy game is, is different then what Arenanet, and many players, opinion of what a grindy game is.

MikaHR.1978:

Yeni.3507:

MikaHR.1978:

eisberg.2379:

Nasher.6874:

Yea, one of the selling points and attractions to GW2 was that it was NOT a grindfest. But they seem to be going back on that, so what’s the point in playing GW2 over others MMOs?

And it still isn’t, no grinding required to play all the content of this game, unlike other MMOs.

Wrong…again.

Actually eisberg.2379 is correct, there isn’t a game content that require Ascended Weapon or heavy grind to do, and every update living world event is open to anyone and everyone, every grindy content (i.e.Legendary, Ascended gear) they are all optional.

The only content that I can think of which require gear check is “high” level fractals, which is totally optional, and low level fractal is still open to anyone.

And its the same in other MMOs therefore he is wrong. But he has been explained that same thing at least 10 times by now soooo….

Up until someone told me that Blizzard made it so that you can see all the raids without having the gear from the previous raid, I didn’t know they did that. But before they did that recently, you had to grind out the current Raid over and over and over again till you can get the gear so you can get to the next fun part, and this has been true for every other MMO I have ever played. Guild Wars 2 is literally the first MMO I have played since 1999, that did not need any kind of grinding in order to get to the fun parts.

Arenanet set out to make a non grindy game, and they did it fantastically. Legendary are not needed for anything, ascended weapons are not needed for anything, ascended gear is only needed for Fractals, and you can get those by just completing the levels and you are not stuck on the same level of fractal till you get gear to get to the next fun part.

So no, it is not the same as every other MMO, which makes you wrong.

MikaHR.1978:

And yes, they still have a crapload of tier to release, enough grind to put Korean grinders to shame, and then it will probably be level cap raise which will obsolete ALL your gear.

They still have a crapload of tiers to release? Bold statement, surely you have a link to Arenanet stating that? Despite Colin recently stating that Ascended is where they are stopping, in the recent PAX interview.

MikaHR.1978:

eisberg.2379:

Nasher.6874:

Yea, one of the selling points and attractions to GW2 was that it was NOT a grindfest. But they seem to be going back on that, so what’s the point in playing GW2 over others MMOs?

And it still isn’t, no grinding required to play all the content of this game, unlike other MMOs.

Wrong…again.

You are wrong again.