Guild Wars 2

Firstly, To be fair to Anet, we need to actually play during the test.

A few notes for fellow scouts if you wish to help your server score;

Put away your current fight builds and replace them with full escape builds. You are a scout and dying gives points to the enemy during this test. Constantly check your area, you are now a resource node, stay mobile, keep a wp in your mini map.

If you see a roamer approaching, WP, you are not built to risk points against your server. Call his postion and try to ensure superior numbers engage him.

Do not approach camps by the front gate when scouting, many of us will now be hunting scouts for the free points for our own servers.

Good luck, I hope to see you on the borderlands.

Will check EBG again tonight but, Thank you anet for the 161 removal from SoS BL.

I was just getting the skill button flash and DC prior to the ip change.

While I have said it many times;

In a PvP enabled zone you control the actions of exactly one player.

Also;

IMHO, The reactions of people/gamers on both sides of a spawn camp can effect the future of WvW for both servers and the game mode.

ok, just to add my info;

5-7 tries at Yellow/amber/troll, zero fangs, experimental extractor.

jumped around servers a bit doing Blue and red and got the fangs for each in only a further 3-4 attempts.

Back to amber/yellow /troll and got a fang on 4th retry so a total of 9-11 tries on amber for the first troll fang.

As a side note, 5-6 more breeches have yielded a fang from blue and one more from amber/troll, the RNG is a little odd.

As mainly a WvWer I am likely a little sceptical regarding Anet updates.

I had already stockpiled Badges for when they got around to forcing us to play something we do not want to in order to get an item.

IMHO, This is still a fine game and I have had 6000+ hrs of enjoyment for my payments.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

I think people don’t play eles and don’t even realize that you can’t change weapons as an ele. Only way to switch to a ranged weapon is to redo the instance.

This… I use a staff (wvwer by nature) so I am actually ranged but once in, there is no simple weapon set flip for ele unless out of combat…

Give guardians a bow and a pet, reduce their armor and heals , remove burn and give them a hat with a feather! TIC

I think the answer was, get within about 100 rating points and hope for RNG.

Once you rng into T1 you have a lot more available rating to gain.

A few detailed responses, with some good points, BUT for me the answer is simple;

The reasons many people discount EOTM , or in fact rubbish or trash talk EOTM are the same reasons people discount, rubbish or trash talk anything.

For their own reasons, they are not capable of doing otherwise.

If you personally see it as WvW…..

“I am what I am, and that’s all that I am.” — Popeye

I tried to politely note that the OP had chosen to apportion blame rather than accept their share of responsibility. My post may or may not have been too confusing for new players. ( not aimed at the OP)

In a PvP enabled environment/game/world you get to control the actions of just one player. ie the fix includes player actions and likely some reality checks.

I am hoping for a 24 slot bag but only for people who have the yakslapper title….

Yoinks and away!

This patch downloaded seamlessly for me. The previous patch I had to use a vpn switching my apparent location to USA west coast from Brisbane australia to download last 7 files.

Something changed for the better for me, thanks.

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Dude PPT is broken in EU too, away with your NA nonsense. BG or whoever stacking or not has no effect on why games are decided by saturday in EU as well.[/quote]

DUDE thank you for reinforcing my point exactly.

IT was not any one server that caused this issue.

Nice post OP; This reply is to OP

“Who killed PPT WvW?

The short answer is, BG overstacking. The longer answer, ANet’s design choices.”

At this point you became very difficult to believe. ( for me). Please Let me explain.

Who started the over stack treadmill;

Was it HOD, maybe maybe not, was it SoS, maybe maybe not, was it JQ, maybe maybe not Do I need to continue or can we take it as read that the cycle was started a long time ago . The stacking counter stacking issue has been a T1 vs the rest issue for years. T1 may have thrived at the expense of the other tiers, maybe maybe not.

Attributing the downfall of T1 PPT to a server that has not been there that long is possibly, short sighted. IMHO, you need to look at your own server’s part in the “downfall”. Take responsibility for it and I will be able to read the rest of the post without wincing.

That said, you are entitled to your opinion.

TLDR version….. OP, IMHO, You aint no white knight, get off your horse!

I liked the idea regarding changing the scout Meta Johje posted. I have a suggestion for all.

Please post the hrs you personally will be willing to be scouting away from the “action” during the trial.

Speaking as a player with a few thousand hrs into the game, who has done a tad of scouting. IMHO the MOST annoying thing is ’THAT" teamspeak/forums warrior complaining about some perceived scouting fail.

Never seen them scout, never seen them play one second away from a zerg in fact but wah wah wah, we lost hills because you only gave us 15 mins notice and forgot to mention the windspeed in your calls!

Please treat scouts well people, they play an important part in keeping this part of the game alive… Be willing to scout yourself or get off the scouts back when their calls are not exactly in your perceived formats.

The loss of guilds in time zones forces a restructure or rebuild phase. These rebuilds have happened to many servers since release. Those of us still playing will try and bring the fun to any opponents in our time zones.

Good luck, enjoy the game.

While I am very obviously against the long term removal of white swords I would like to ackknowledge a few points.

I appreciate that some guilds/servers pride themselves on being able to organise 24/7 scout teams. I acknowledge that regardless of my opinions I SHOULD play to my best during the short term trial to be able to provide worthwhile feedback.

Moving on, in line with the idea of trying things as a means of refreshing the WvW experience I propose the following;

A two week trial of Asuran characters gaining 200% speed boost, during this period only Asura would score points for kills, and

A following two week trial period of minion master necros gaining 200% toughness, 200% condition damage . During this period only groups containing minion masters will score points for kills.

I am willing to trial both these changes in order to test them and give feedback on how they improved/worsened WvW for me.

Spotflux worked for me as well, hope we are not doing something wrong

same issue, stuck at 9 files remaining

SneakyLemon.8461:

I like the idea of having people posted up in towers to defend. This may be a fun part of the WvW experience for some players, and having a need for defenders would allow people who enjoy this style of play to form organized groups/networks of their own that can work with commanders.

Not everyone thinks the zerg is the defining aspect of WvW. I’ve wanted Anet to do something that would promote taking on a more defensive style of play for a while and this may be a step in that direction.

I have spent a few thousand hrs in WvW. I tend to roam or scout, I respond to white swords, moving /missing sentries etc way before map chat. I am known for spending long hrs watching our BL.

IMHO, the removal of white swords in an attempt to force scouting, will kill off more scouts than it creates. As someone who enjoys WvW, I hope desperately that I am wrong.

Dubain

The removal of white swords WILL NOT increase the number of players enjoying WvW. Trying to force people to scout is dangerous.

The removal of white swords WILL NOT increase gem sales.

Choose which ever answer motivates you more but do not remove white swords.

The removal of white swords WILL NOT increase the number of players enjoying WvW.

The removal of white swords WILL NOT increase gem sales.

Choose which ever answer motivates you more but do not remove white swords.

I think YB has played well and congratulate any players who enjoy playing long shifts.

From my experiences on my weekend, the NA timezone fights look to be pretty well balanced. For OCX players I/we/SoS get some awesome defensive fights in whatever the time zone is in between NA and OCX Prime.

T2 seems to be a fun matchup with YB dominant (24/7) for now and SoS/FA capable of holding their own. I pretty much agree with Luvpie’s assessment of the Tier.

Good luck all, see you on the battlegrounds.

Dubain.

DeeSystm.1256:

As an h-core yolo’er into enemy zergs, can confirm, will still yolo into zergs after ppk is implemented.

Prior to PPK, I would like to say " grats I really liked the yolo playstyle"

Post introduction of PPK, Yolo play may be softcore anti server behavior, refusing to give up your points may be true hardcore server loyalist play……

Play whichever way you wish but be aware what was once selfless may become selfish..

There are a number of scenarios to consider;

Preface: ppt scoring system and coverage mean that some servers will never “win” vs certain other servers. Some of the people from these servers believe ppk gives them a chance to show their superior skills, motivating more people to fight. we can only hope they are right.

On to the scenarios; ( assumming ppk is 5 points or higher per kill)

I routinely run into towers keeps etc to contest a circle to buy my team a few seconds response. For myself with ppk. I will no longer do this.

I routinely leap off walls to destroy enemy siege when waypoint is below 30 seconds.

With ppk i will no longer do this.

I routinely roam on all my characters to learn how they function.

With ppk I will only roam on characters with superior escape skills.

Currently I welcome all players to wvw and help them learn in the chance they become regular WvW ers.

With ppk, I am unsure if I can continue to do this as a server loyalist.

Good luck all

The concept of merging servers from lower tier that ALL have players on at the same timezone is flawed. ( ie all NA prime )

If you wish to equalise servers, T1/T2 have to be the servers deleted so that a decent spread of off hour players are in the move.

My preference would be deletion of all servers and redo the entire structure.

People have their own opinions.

Mine is that in PvP enabled areas, each player controls the actions of only one player.

Feel free to argue anything else, it is not going to change my opinion.

many times people assume that turning wvw into a large scale version of spvp will improve the quality of wvw and be "fairer’.

Good luck with that, I doubt we will attract more players with changes along those lines.

You may be right though so I suggest splitting wvw into a ppt mode and a ppk mode and amending the number of servers in either to suit demand, when it realises.

The removal of white swords is a striking change. It may either decrease or increase participation in WvW.

Compared to the whole bucket of “not a lot” that has been done for 2 years, change, even poorly thought out change, does have a percentage chance of helping.

I agree that there are ways to promote fights vs siege warfare. I strongly suspect that is not going to be the system they choose.

Once again If PPK is to become a major part of the weekly score, IN GAME moderators need to be placed to deal with the initial abuse spike they will cause.

Once past that spike things will likely settle, possibly with lower participation numbers but I have hopes it will increase those playing WvW.

While generally productive a few posters get upset whenever their ideas of points increases for stomps or kills is challenged by other posters. There are many reasons some are cautious regarding removing the ppt model and replacing it with a pvp model. One follows.

IMHO;

Prior to increasing the score reliance on kills or stomps ANET should introduce in game moderators.

These moderators should be empowered to apply instant game bans for those individuals who constantly harrass and belittle any of their server members who “cost the team” by their presence in WvW.

The hate/troll speak that is a noticeable part of Spvp would transfer to WvW if not moderated.

I have personally noticed that;

In that portion of the match where the outcome is not yet decided, PPT servers/teams avoid fights that they are not certain of winning, possibly due to stomp points.

PvP points and PPT are not 100% compatible. If the aim is to increase or maintain the numbers of gamers playing WvW, I do not believe points for stomps will help at all.

Points for Kills might have some value.

Scoring is best fixed by more people enjoying wvw 24/7.

IMHO, Removal of stomp points would allow PPT servers the option of fighting rather than running. PPTers currently know that fights should not be entered unless absolutely sure of winning them. Anything else is selfish behaviour and can work against serverpoint/ PPT totals. Reward stomps with something other than points to total.

SO;

Break matches into 6-8 sessions a day, Total Sessions won decide the weekly match. Remove Stomp Points totally. Reward stomps with something other than points to total score, IE finishers, titles.

Remove the gold component of Upgrade costs.

Begin each session with the Home Bl or EBG Garrison at T3 fully upgraded status OR carry over from previous session, start point will need to undergo Test and adjust as needed.

Slant Home BL Map caps in favour of the BL colour ie 50 defenders 40 for each other team.

Introduce WvW channel to chat panel viewable only by people in that worlds WvW.

IMHO, Each of these ideas has the same intent. Reward effort without discouraging participation.

We each see different things ingame. I personally enjoyed the matches.

In particular XOXO guild gave me alot of fun moments.

Good luck all, I hope you enjoy the game.

I thought i had reduced the crash component of the 10+ second lags present for me ever since the feature patch arrived by reverting from clientport 80 back to original.

I am now down to 1-2 10 second freezes OCX prime time and 1-2 crash to character panel a sessions, OCX prime. Much better than the first week after patch.

Game lags, wait wait wait, everything happens at once or I get the server error message.

The trouble with these sorts of popularity contests is that we have each seen different things in the time we are online.

If by game changing you mean " forcing Anet to rebuild the terrain around watergate" then those of us actually present on the wall when a popular candidate exploited around both enemy Garrison watergates, might agree with you.

Unfortunately, placing the names of people you personally like on an all time commander list, pressures those of us who have differing opinions of that player to post.

ie, are commanders removed from this list if they have a past history of cheating/fringing or are we being a little forgiving in that department?

Interesting thread, instead of spewing forth bile we could just all wait and see how things pan out.

Gamers are just gamers, many from each server have been allies or enemies before and they do not suddenly become monsters due to their current server tag.

See you in the Borderlands.

For anyone confused by the dubious information presented in places in this thread.

Click each suspect poster’s name, click see all messages by “chosen player”.

Take note of the posting history and then make a personal decision regarding any value you place on their posts.

Good luck all, hope to see you in the game!

In a PvP enabled area, you control the actions of only one player.

I look forward to some good skirmishes regardless of who I face, we are all just gamers after all.

SNIP

The OCX destacking would go to a server then able to compete inT2 and actually have fights vs SoS/FA. You get to rebalance your own tier. And yet you’re not interested?

That’s fine, but please stop with the ‘T3 needs to step up’ when you’re well aware that the only competitive coverage is in the top 4-5 servers.

SNIP

Destacking implies intentional stacking, many of the OCX players on SoS have simply been there the whole time.

It is good that you are loyal to SNIP and emotionally attached to your server, odd that you do not appear to think anyone else is or should be….

None of this means you are wrong in your basic statement, it is after all your opinion and carries exactly the same weight as any other individual opinion.

The OP most likely means well but posting their own personal opinion regarding “server pride” and outright stating that having it is detrimental to the game, is unlikely to get any real debate. It was worded accidentally or not as a slap in the face to many.

I am happy for people to move servers if it helps them enjoy the game. I am happy to stay on the server I am on. I would likely even play on if a system similar to that proposed by the OP was forced upon us by Anet.

I would try to give it a go before deciding . good luck all

I disagree, the plant to eat emp stars MUST be locked behind PvP ie must win 5 matches etc AND

The plant that eats dragonite ore MUST be locked behind a suitable amount of WvW.

The standard has been set, if you wish a useful item you must participate in a chosen area of the game.

( Please note, I actually think these items should be available by a variety of means)

I understand the pain a player feels when their server dies, BUT I do not think posting several hundred annoying posts across the boards will fix it, or even help even one of the threads currently under siege by the same 2-3 posters.

Personally I am sorry to see mags go, I enjoyed camp takes alone with the threat of mags roamers arriving.

WalkinGoon.2408:

RIP Magswag, #1 PvF Server 2012-2014

Having played vs Mags players in a number of formats I would have rated mags pre collapse as;

In the top 5 Pvf,

In the top 3 open field 5 v1 teams,

In the top 2 perpetual Emoters and

possibly the highest self rated server I have played. ( JQ may dispute this)

( I will miss you magswag, your roamers were fun to play)

Khairiya.7240:

KrisHQ.4719:

A shame there is no prestige in this.

I’ll actually take the vehemence of people in here trying to convince us how little prestige there is in these rank as a pretty decent indicator of that prestige already.

It is interesting how these threads go, at first all I thought was, “Congrats good effort”.

Now after reading the thread, I am hoping a number of posters receive the care they appear to me to be screaming out for….we live in interesting times

We each speak only for ourselves. Each post is a personal opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

IMHO, The ability to transfer to non full servers exists , the rest is in the hands of the players.

Congratulations on the achievement.

disregarding servers as matchup threads are not going to last long here;

People play games for fun. If they find more fun in Eotm than regular WvW , they will play Eotm.

Thanks for the Red tag comment. I agree with the poster who pointed out anything is better than nothing, comment wise.

Some are tiring of WvW in it’s current form and a familiar pattern is reappearing. I have noticed this same pattern repeating since I started playing MMO’s around 1997. I think of it as a destructive self justification for quitting pattern.

While there are obviously many real issues with any game, some people who have invested a great deal of time into a game “seek to create drama” so that the resulting backlash or community response justifies their next step.

As gamers, please be more honest with yourself. Rather than tearing apart your guilds/servers/online friends maybe just say you are not enjoying the game and are considering taking a break.

IMHO, The destructive death bed convulsions of time invested players may be to them a natural thing BUT they often do great damage to those they once played alongside.

IMHO the OP has posed a simple question similar to the age old, answer yes/no;

“Have you stopped beating your wife?”

The attempt at misdirection was a refreshing change from just blatantly stating your own opinion as fact.

Thanks for the read.

thanks chaba , i tried to gently remind posters that the game is 24/7 and that the term night cap could equally be used for and against any time zone, with some few arguments.