The LoL generation has made its way to guild wars and the result is the death of the community.
Yeah … I was expecting this day too
…just wait until they make that one of the official sPvP modes (like they hinted at back around Beta..). As if people weren’t already entitled enough here when it comes to farming. They’ll probably be demanding bots to fight next & stupid new Moogle skins every week. Oh and atleast a few “ranger/engy jungle 2 good NERF NAO!!!” from truly bad thieves/wars
Reduced the time to fail timer and increased the restart timer on the event to secure Shank Anchorage in the Cursed Shore.
Latest patch update.
What the hell does this note even mean? I have to set this event up everyday and even a 5 minute difference can throw our entire night of Temple completion completely off (that sounds crazy, I know, but it’s just how the whole thing works … there’s a very specific order for everyone like basically a map full of Soupkittens and if 1 little thing is off then NO SOUP FOR ANYONE)
The vast majority may only exploit things a few time as they figure it out, or accidentally exploit because they don’t know any better. Our goal is not to punish those people. But in the case of the snowflake fiasco, we had clear evidence of people exploiting it well over 15,000 (fifteen thousand) times before we managed to seal it up. Those are the people we go after – the ones who deliberately exploit with massive potential economic impact.
You better think about what you’re doing if you’ve been getting thousands of gold from exploiting the unintended consequence of failing the ember event. Anet never intended for an event to give you more than basically anything else in the game for repeatedly failing it.
The overall game is very casual (pve) they are trying to draw hard core players back, they gave it a sniff and most left. But that should not reflect on the game, they are the 1%r’s. They never stay anywhere long, they always fly back to WOW and stand around til something new comes out. It’s the locust effect.
The OP is talking about Skilled players. Skilled players aren’t “running back to WoW”, they’re running back to Counterstrike and Arma and Dota2 and DarkSouls… and I don’t really need to list every single game that still requires more skill than WoW obviously. But this isn’t about Time investment at all or even rewards. The most skilled players still aren’t the most rewarded ones. But “skill” isn’t always “perfection” either…. It’s also about things like: PC Performance, Latency & where you live, Rote & Adaptive memory, raw Reflexes, Control Devices, and of course general server-competency & Guild-mates too when it comes to Group activities (or Fractals).
Skill doesn’t always imply some kind of Uber Mensch.
It just refers to level of Accessibility…
I don’t understand how it is an “exploit”. You guys make it sound as it’s illegal, a bug and want people who do this banned ASAP.
I mean, events have a fail option. There is no rule about how we should complete an event.
No, no one’s saying that. It is abuseable however and obviously not what Anet intended if you read Colin’s post more carefully. Infact this has been an on-going dialogue that Anet has weighed in on even back before the game was live when they first announced D.E.’s. …As in:, a Developer literally came to Guru and assured us personally that events like the “Giant Champ” on the Promenade that could potentially block other players from succeeding an event simply by “Scaling” too much, would always get patched…. or changed in some way so that no one would have conflicting interests.
This one… if you look at the palpable immaturity of the Farmers involved, is actually a lot worse than the Giant was. And I mean that strictly in their CUSTOMER SUPPORT department, not the design itself. Consider for a minute just how many more /reports they’re now having to sift through, both legitimate ones, and “abusing-report function like it was L.o.L.” kind of tickets…) that is a COLOSSAL waste of human resources right there that doesn’t need to be happening in the first place
The only way they can remove the stats without causing massive rage is to transform the gear into tokens that can be traded in to a new vendor for new gear of the player’s choice.
If they go the “replace MF% with X” route they will infuriate the 50-90% of the population that don’t want whatever stat they decide to go with.
I agree with this when it comes to gear that had a serious Time Sink attached to it… your CM dungeon gear (runes of the Noble which I got, umm.. atleast 5 or 6 of), Celestial obviously which is still in the process of being built by most b/c it takes 2 months if you have PERFECT attendance, and of course the Ascended Trinkets that cost Ectos & Laurels.
I’m not so sure about Crafted / Looted gear though. Explorer & Trav’s gear is already pretty low value when compared to Knights, PVT, and most of all: Berserkers. It’s almost as low in demand as Carrion is and the only reason that Carrion is so low demand is because Conditions don’t affect destroyable “Objects” & most World Bosses .. along with the 25-stack Cap too… (which REALLY really needs to be changed to an 8-bit averaged “Array” ie: 255 max stacks that discard individual duration to save byte space on the server for performance reasons)
This is an interesting Suggestion, but it’s still a Suggestion like all the other Suggestions that are added to the Proper sub forum. So please use the appropriate forum next time and don’t try to “Trump” other people’s suggestions (which were made in the proper forum) just because you think it’s more important than theirs.
But to be serious for a monent…
what’s really frustrating here is just how much Anet seems to be avoiding all of the Content / scripted event Bug threads lately. They broke like 10 different major things that thousands if not hundreds of thousands (if their China Marketing firm data isn’t totally cooked) of players are now struggling to complete or have given up on. Let’s look at some of the “more important” stuff they’re acknowledging instead:
…I almost feel like …. Maybe we’re just not explaining it properly to them??
And that’s why they’re not taking notice or even stopping by to say “Could you get us more information?” or something to that effect? But then we also captured video of the things that are broken too… So I’m not sure what we’re missing here??
Would it help if there was a Crowd-Sourcing option in the Cash Shop to get specific bugs attention? B/c if it took Bribing them directly just to get a response to all this Mission & Event content they’ve broken … I think we could still live with that and eventually raise enough money for it. Or if we could arrange some kind of PAX e-Sport event to showcase these Bugs and have them do a competitive Dev-Off over who could fix it first??
I stand with the OP on this. I’m no saint… anytime there’s a new ‘abuseable path’ through a tedious dungeon …be it more of a Jump Puzzle motif, or just straight Glitching, I’ll follow along just to see why it’s being done. I’ll guest other servers on multiple characters whenever the Herb nodes are too sparse in areas that should have had a lot more. I’ll put down ranger players constantly for their poor ranged damage and awful potential in content that demands optimized classes (yet my other main IS a ranger). … so I can say with full confidence that I can abridge the necessary cognitive dissonance to approach this issue without whiteknighting the Naivete in Anet’s dynamic event design like some goody two shoes.
But if you ever let yourself cuss someone out over chat b/c of something that happened in a video game (unless they were hacking), then you’ve already LOST THE GAME
There’s not a lot of other ways to put this nicely. You mad b/c you Bad … <—- if you’re any of the farmers who do this. Better players can make the same amounts of gold doing any other number of activities right now. And better economists can make several times what those guys make. So there is never any reason to react like that or worse threaten and “counter sabotage” someone b/c they’re simply following Anet’s event Instructions in a way that is merely incovenient for the farmers who have already set aside Hours upon Hours in which to average out their gains…
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And once you GET that new Shiny…. who are you going to show it off to??
The other farmers who have the same exact shiny junk?
The same ones who ran out of gear to chase and started playing some other game?
No you’re counting on impressing the more Casual players.
But what happens when you poison the well?? …and everyone else,
…starts associating those new Shinies with the abuse we’re seeing now?
I’d LOVE boon duration… The only character I’m ever building a celest set for (right now infact…got the charged Q’s for 5 pieces, just need 5 more) is my Monk. And I’ve found that just extending the boon duration on a few things can make all the difference between mitigating 1 attack, or mitigating 2 or 3 of them in a row. It’s surprising just how many things in this game kind of mimic the first game where most attack cycles were on 1.5 second increments instead of 1 second (like most people would expect them to be). Then there’s Boss attack with even weirder timing/patterns. Just changing the duration of your boons can change the whole fight and I’d love to get mine over 50% all the time without having to use cons or Runes for it…
Because 500 vegetables can group together and farm embers. 500 vegetables probably need at least one person with a brain to do all the temples.
They’d be doing all the Dungeons instead if they were actually as clever and rational as they claim they are here… Maybe it’s a Fluke, but the Coffers I get from Dungeons actually seem to have better drop rates and less “garbage” in them… (and the Champs sometimes die faster just b/c there isn’t 50 staff guardians Scaling their HP up to Lyssa levels)
My favorite one though is “Orr was totally empty before we got there! No one did gates!” … I can’t think of a more obvious “well we’ve been in COF the last few months but we’re pretty sure this is how it probably was on the surface while we were gone”. It perfectly fits the stereotype of greedy people who assume nothing worthwhile ever happens when they’re not there… (meanwhile they’re also missing out on even bigger long term wealth opportunities)
I honestly wouldn’t know personally, but I’m assuming it’s good $$$ the way they cuss me out everytime I move it along to the next Stage. (On a server that has been doing Gates to full completion at this exact scheduled time every single day for months)
The solution seems simple to me, ban the anti-farmers for a few days and let the rest take notice, and the rest of us can make our coin in peace. Lord knows that every other money making event has been turned into a “not worth the effort” event. Anet wanted people in the open world and now they are out there, and being abused for it.
LOL, so you want ArenaNet to ban people for finishing an event? Instead of banning the exploiters who are intentionally failing an event, which is obviously not playing the game as intended?
Right. Which server are you on again? I’m sure this event is going to be a huge success there, over and over again.
I didn’t take that guy’s obvious bait…. I’m not sure why you are.
Like I said, there’s nothing to argue to about. They’ll either nerf this like they did Giant on the Promenade, or there will be some kind of account wide D.R. to Coffer frequency just like they’ve done to tokens (which didn’t actually deserve it, but w/e…)
Has this already been answered somewhere? I tried using the search feature but came up empty handed. If this has already been answered, then there is no need for me to bring it up again.
Gaile started responding to a thread about it —(The scammy kicking puggers version, not the kind most of this thread is about)-- over a month ago but I don’t think there was ever a Followup. It wasn’t in this forum obviously… It was in support. Could try PM’ing her (assuming that’s even possible)
But he has a tendency to focus one player insistently until that player is dead. I’ve downed Lupricus at least 100 times so surely it’s possible to down him as he is now, but he should change targets more often than he does.
I’m going to second this just b/c he’s been completely ignoring me lately and I’m getting tired of just watching everyone else get to do the exciting stuff. I have to follow them around now just to get a few reflects off. Y he no <3 meh anymo?
Maybe, I dunno, would need more specifics to be sure. Illusionists don’t feel different at all TBH, I spent a good 3 minutes holding one’s aggro while my team killed all his buddies on P4. In … umm AC, I think a couple of the silvers might have died slightly sooner but it was an amazing team to begin with so I’ not sure a stat change has anything to do with it.
Like a fine wine, this one had everything. Melee shortbow so Stronk, how could it fial???
I had a similar experience…. no idea how a 15 minute Path turned into 90 but I shouldn’t have been surprised at all by it since I joined them through LA recruitment on Crystal Desert (which was the final straw before I transferred to a better server). In a nutshell, I soloed the kitten thing for them … on Ranger… I really really wish I was making this up.
We did. We’re back to beating it almost every night.
That doesn’t mean it’s working properly however. And I’ve confirmed this with several commanders. (I also have video of said commanders showing their strategies and near failures). So If you’d like to weigh in without just dismissing people and looking like you’re trolling then I suggest you dig up some footage yourself of your “commandering” instead of derailing a Bug thread. (there’s lots of other forums for the Lrn 2 Play spam, thanks)
there was already a thread for this…. just look down a few posts. There’s even a Red tag in front of it ..also; most temples remain that way for 90 minutes before reverting to Risen control
-some, mostly the temple events, spawn lots of other stuff for loot (except the Claw, which can go die in a hole with its lootless trash).
I used to do Claw pretty often.
But yeah that change was BAD. Instead of being lame and removing it they could have had a “Presence Bar” like the Giant on Promenade and once a quota is met, they just stop spawning and people can just finish off the Claw (assuming they were there mostly for Corrupted Lodes which never once have dropped for me from normal Sons of Svanir or corrupted minions …only the Event mobs there).
Before, this champ loot thing ever happened, no one ever did the event anyways. Whoever out there wants to finish for the karma vendor is BS, doesn’t sell anything special.
Not sure if lying, or just doesn’t know the actual event chain …. look They want to finish gates… it’s the World Event and yes most servers did it EVERY … SINGLE … DAY. You’d have to be really new to Cursed Shores not to know that. The Armor Merchant (Karma) is the one up past Promenade, not the one in Anchorage. ….wow, dude.
Everything except the Northern Route … becuase the Submarines have some weird bug.
…and possibly the Final Escort, we’re not sure b/c Anet won’t tell us if it’s intentional for Subjugators/Plaguers to instant-cast 6 wells in a cone in front of them….
The population issue is one of incentives. Karma just doesn’t buy much and even when it does, the more advanced Events just don’t give nearly enough even if it DID buy something good.
Kinda makes me chuckle since ascended armor will come out and make the exotic recipes kinda pointless for most people.
Posts like yours make me chuckle because you clearly havent read this thread.
Do you expect a full set of ascended armor in your mail, once they are released?
It will be time gated and people will still use exotic armor. How do you explain that the market for exotic trinkets hasnt imploded yet even though ascended trinkets are available for half a year now?
+1
And to say it will be “Timegated” is probably an understatement considering just how badly Timegated the Exotic Celestial already is… 30-40 laurels for the current Ascended items?? (& a small discount when you buy them in WvW). 50 Ectos for an Earring? … I think I’ll be plenty happy with 1 single set of Exotic. Given the track record right now, it would take MORE than a year to acquire the full “Ascended” upgrade which is …. quite frankly … more stats than I could ever use anyway
You’d have to be a truly …. BAD … unskilled player, for difference in Ascended Stats, especially all-Celestial stats to ever be the Difference maker for whether you completed a Dungeon or some other elite content. ….And no I’m not counting FOTM in that since FOTM was the worst most least original and unnecessary idea Arenanet’s ever had in the 13 years the studio’s been in existence. Infact it’s not even an idea, it was literally just copying every proprietary Gear-Treadmill from every other elitist Grind MMO in history and the only idea part they had a hand in was Segregating the need for that gear to just that little instanced portion of the game.
,,,So long as they make DA** SURE that when they eventually get around to releasing the next incarnations of Fissure, and the Deep, and Underworld… that there is none of this proprietary Agony gear required, I don’t think there will be a problem and there definitely won’t be any good argument for wasting the resources on Ascended Celestial versus plain old Exotic Celestial… (By then my guardian will have the full Exotic set so I’ll be the first to make lots of posts about it if there IS a problem and the exotic stats aren’t high enough)
^Just to avoid any confusion?, Is the above post about Chan in Cursed shores? The main topic of this thread is Balthazar Escort in Straights of Devastation. The one devs response so far is only in regards to how the Morale of Chan’s squad now reacts.
It’s not clear yet if they actually have anything in common either as the actual “Well” casting attack of the Veteran Plaguers & Subjugators doesn’t seem to be affected at all by “Scaling”. However they sort of have a similar solution to completing them (if you’re really lucky) which is to attempt to gain the aggro of the most brutal “one-shotting the NPCs”, mob the instant it renders, and collectively “keeping its aggro far away from the NPCs”.
I’ve also verified (by Catching one that spawned behind & was trying to catch up to nuke the Balthazar Escort)… that they won’t cast the wells on 1 single player. It seems specifically scripted to only cast on Groups …
COF killed openworld way before QP did. ….And to be perfectly honest, now that they climbed back out of that hole, it’s kinda like watching Graveling burrows popping up. …and not the normal kind, no the constantly “OBSTRUCTED” kind.
you know the funny thing is by working to destroy the farm you’re destroying the only actual reason to be in orr.
you’re doing more harm than good by hurting a farm.
because guess what when theres a good farm in orr theres actual people in orr.
Doing what exactly??
…preventing us from completing Gates by harassing us? How’s that a good thing?
Do I need to post more screenshots of their “Contribution” to the landscape here?
You’re not actually “populating” a Zone when you’re stacked 50 men deep in a 20 × 20 ft spot you almost never move from. …They might as well bring back 9-rings :p
There’s already too many Immobilizers spammed by everything in Orr … not to mention the Skirmishers there already have a piercing Stun on a 2 sec cooldown attached to a projectile the size of a Bus which stops us in our tracks plenty well enough.
…yeah … it takes a longer time to say stuff like “For Great Justice”, or “Stand your Ground” b/c those phrases have something we proper typists call Syllables. …Yet they’re instant cast in this game? …meanwhile Guard doesn’t actually have those, at least not the plural form. …Hmm
Y’know it’s a lot easier to just say Anet wants Rangers to suffer needlessly :p
The hardcore farmers and the hardcore traders will always be the ones that come out ahead, just as they always have been.
I don’t think anyone else * not in that particular grouping * has a problem with them coming out ahead. I think the problem is HOW FAR ahead they’re coming out…
See they’re not working 500x harder for it or 10x longer for it either.
Maybe if they were, I think they’d be fully respected, & we wouldn’t see threads taking issue with it nearly as often. ….And no, “working harder” doesn’t mean attacking anyone who threatens your farm either (as has been a disturbing trend lately)
Why should he have to pay “Max bid” while the bot buys things cheaper?
Perhaps they should investigate who is placing the orders and check for bot like activity like he suggests. (Since buyer/seller are transparent to us)
+1
Farming bots got rarer over time b/c they had no Anonymity, someone who knows what they look like is eventually going to stumble onto its hidden circuit off in the mid-level zones and — maybe even record it. But a Market bot is indistinguishable from an AFK player and can’t be found to be reported in the first place so there’s no telling how many of them there could be.
However, there is apparently a big difference in rewards between Champion farming and doing DE’s. If that difference is as big as posters are saying, either one thing is too good or the rest is not good enough.
Champ farming would be fun too if it wasn’t so repetitive.
IOW: they had 90 minute respawn timers so that the Zergs doing it had to actually move AROUND zones to keep finding more of them (instead of sitting in Queens/Frost all godkittened day)
It started off okay (the article blurb) but then just went straight into Hype Land.
First they don’t acknowledge that WOW’s point of exponential growth happened later on when there was a big “Culture shift” in general (along with the fact the entire nation of Korea will buy ANYTHING with the blizzard brand on it).
Second… Growth is slowing in China again and they still have that manipulated depreciated self worth issue to deal with which could totally backfire on any Marketing firm that attempts to launch anything there in the next year as the Fed Easing program dries up.
oh, and 3rd… if there’s any western product they REALLY enjoy, usually they just bootleg their own version of it and sell it back to themselves at a fraction of the price :p
Well, I’ll go play a RT strategy game…love those, all thinking, no jumping….and try this again if I upgrade my system, it may be my computer is getting old too.
Actually the Breach wall is all about thinking… A ton of the jumps are intentionally misleading. If people having the OP’s problem had watched enough videos on it they’d see where there’s a bunch of components to it where you were could jump off to the side first or go back around behind instead of just trying to nail a series of really Long or precise jumps.
If it took you an entire hour or more then maybe you’re over-estimating your own improvisational cognitive aptitude? (one of which possible processes would yes, be you-tubing it. That’s not always cheating). ….The other thing, not to be a Spoiler here, but even if you HAD nailed that last jump, you wouldn’t have completed the zone. …NOT WITHOUT this other tower over here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JsSl_waYpQ which is several times more frustrating b/c it’s pure control mashing + some really precise leaps with no way to out-think it. (that last jump was probably the worst jump in the entire game for my Norn who’s now completed 90% of all JP’s)
I’ve started using it myself in PvE escorts intended as “Group Events”.
It feels like there’s some kind of hidden stat at work that isn’t reflected by the Skill descriptions. I can’t really describe it. At the same time I absolutely hate how much slower and less adaptable I feel compared to the Nature’s Voice setup (where I use Guard to have the pet cover my Flank).
I agree tho’, most rangers totally still are free kills. Not just in WvW but even to a lot of Mobs in PVE from all the downed people I’m still constantly seeing while wading through the Zergs.
While I would melee any day of the week, I don’t think it is reasonable to expect EVERYONE to melee lupicus comfortably.
Yep… one does not just simply walk into Lupi’s Fromunda Orchard until they’ve gotten really familiar with every single Telegraph. It’s especially difficult to read them when he ends up half stuck in the stupid wall behind him
I’ll bite… just b/c mine defies the stereotypes (nothing like Outlier data…)
1) 30-40 demo
2)10+ years
3)Asuran Monk (protection guardian)
4) ..the whole class is OP everywhere I go. …Oh you meant Aesthetics.. well, he’s small, in scaly green armor, not really a scholar or smart, just really disciplined & altruistic so he does content and events that reflect that.
5) None except for Hammer being his main DPS weapon. My Female alt is actually a lot bigger, faster, and more masculine than he could ever hope to be.
6) Take the horns back off that canthan Dragon Mask :p ….they’re a bit much (yes I know that’s actually the helmet’s NAME … no I’m not being ironic)
If people are going to do nothing but talk past eachother (just like in map chat), then this probably doesn’t need to keep getting bumped and it will eventually turn into something that gets locked like the other 2 or 3 threads about it did.
I don’t think Anet’s going to say anything more about it either. Either it will just be quietly patched out soon, or everyone will get penalized for it in some way as Smith has already confirmed that they might have overdone it slightly when it comes to currency “Supply” into the current economy.
^that’s more of an issue with real life (especially in america) gradually losing all sense of purpose. It’s no longer escapism, for some people it’s literally their new life b/c conditions in their neighborhoods or careers are deteriorating so quickly.
You hear it all the time actually…. if they didn’t have that world to spend most of their time in, they’d probably for-realz-kill some of the equally stressed out and combative rude people around them.
well there’s always the Uwe Boll approach to put those scary mean critics in their place
This article tho’, seems more geared at the fanatics who basically stalk Devs or do other stupid borderline illegal crap. Real harassment. Frequently reminding people in a service industry that their product is heading downhill or that it’s riddled with bugs isn’t nice or polite … but it’s not Harassment either. Even verbal abuse is pretty darned limited due to the equally zealous moderating here. So I’m not really sure what this has to do with these forums.
