Guild Wars 2

It has similar dps as a auto-atttack chain, but it has a built in stun and a evade.

They could revert the dmg back to previous nerf stats or;
They could reduce the delay between the stun and the attack.

Both might be a bit OP.
Im happy with either way.

I like GS // Hammer.

GS for mostly any easy fight and bursting / aoe dmg/tag…
Hammer for harder fights where you need to hold opponents away for you to heal and get that perma protection/retaliation while you still do good dmg.
Scepter/Shield when you just cant get close for some weird reason and need more missile protection…

AFAIK, the anymations are the same, only a few particles are added…
The fractal weps leave a mist trail…
The Foefire ones a blue ghostly trail…

Not sure about others…

If they make quivers and books back-item skins for the gem store, I hope the ones we get from the game get some nicer (shynniiees!!) skins.

Crafting is like many things in this game:
Its easy to do it, but hard(er?) to be really good at it.

Anyone can craft and make items, but it takes dedication and study to make good money with it.

Im happy with this scenario.

You can still save a few gold by crafting your own exotics (harvesting some mats and all)…

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Infused

Seems way too strong. It would give thiefs too many tools to mess with all at the same time, without having to choose any drawbacks.

Seems like this is a suggestion more based on personal advantage than in real game balance.

And what’s up with all the forum fighting here?
You know winning an argument in a internet forum is like winning the Special Olympics…

Next patch:
– fixed trick shot tool-tip

Nilgoow.1037:

You fell off a cliff in the process of panicking and running away.

Go post a whine thread in the gravity sub-forum.

There is already a threat saying cliffs are OP and need nerf.

You can buy some itens to summon pets to fight for you

Im going into Orr now with a renewed desire to kill zombies…

Lvling a thief isnt “hard” and there are a few good ways to do it.
But its no way as easy as a guardian.
I could solo group events with my guardian while my thief would get smacked.

S/P also has its use on wvw when trying to take a camp quick.
SoM+CD
– Gether all the npcs in melee range with using edges for los.
– P/W first to get the scouts down (so their blind dont completely negate your attacks)
– BP + AA the rest

You get a Suply camp in a few seconds.

They get done normally for me as I explore around or do WvW.

Snow Leopard form is the best elite in WvW.
I’ve been accused of teleport-hack by some people that had no clue how a norn guardian could disappear and show up so far away one second later.

Try a ranged/support warrior.

Huge AoE with bow and great ST with riffle.
“I dont usually go with the zerg, but when I do, I go with my riffle warrior.” – Most Interesting Man in the World

Just watch for reflections, you might Kill-shot yourself.

Try this:
Hammer // S/F – meditations/ shelter
– Hammer 4 with JI to surprise him and knock him over. Follow with a hammer 3 to hold him up, if it hits, will keep him imo even if he blinks out.
If/when he blinks/stunbreaks get on sword and Sword 2 – 3 on top of him. If he cleansed the burn (from JI), apply more with f1 during this attack.
Use the focus to blind him more. He cant use clones while blinded.
Get the focus 5 also to avoid dmg and if he cant put a combo on you he will take dmg.
When all is on CD get back to hammer and put the circle down. Even if it doesnt get the mes inside, will keep his clones out. Try to keep presure up, burn and blind him and keep clones out with AoE and Hammer wards. The Hammer#4-JI trick is great and can be used many times in a fight.

Agreed with the TL;DR.
And considering the statements they made on last Q/A interviews and all, they seem to agree too.

The “tanky thief” relies much more on blinds and evades than on blocks and armor, as guardian does.
As a guardian you can go toe-to-toe with your opponent and block/mitigate/heal his attacks. And the good thing is, that this works also on bosses.
As a thief you need to dodge more and use evade attacks (PW, FS, LDB, IF/SR). The blinds are a HUGE part of thief “tankiness”, but those dont work on boss fights…
Using signet of malice with PW is a great way to heal if you have 3 or more opponents to hit, trating for life-steal on poisons and health on ini-use also helps…

Would it help if they split the tiers into groups of guilds, based on server and guild wvw scores? So lets say JQ would have 3 different WvW fronts where its guilds fight (depending on their personal score) against even number of guild members of other servers… (Not sure if I’m explaining the idea right…)

Trying to update this…
any suggestions?

Although I would love to get a riffle and play sniper with my thief, I dont think a stealth/mobility class will ever get a long-range direct-dmg weapon.

Wait for the end of the month.
Seems mesmers are getting a bit of a nerf.

You can call it whatever you want… you asked for a mix of decent dmg and survivability using d/p (stealth)… thats the trait point distribution for it… changing it too much wont make it better.

I personally use 0/15/30/25/0 and for a “balanced” build that is as far as I can go from the 20/30/20… at least for this weapon-set and game-play.

Just looking into it…

5 in trickery for 3 ini on steal? better to put those on acrobatics for more vit and the 2 ini every 10 secs trait…

I dont think getting mug benefits you more (at least for what you say you want) than 10 more in SA for the health in stealth.

stof.9341:

We had a chat recently on how we could use D/P #3 skill to pull with style the jade colossus in the Jade Maw fractals. And you know what? It works with feedback too it seems

I’m so sick of those reflect skills in big WvW fights it’s time to show that Mesmer he has to slot a different utility now if he doesn’t want to be force pulled into our zerg without any means to prevent it :p

This is a bug/exploit…
Its funny as hell.. but still…

GuardianOMS.8067:

Can we add a little bit of a description to each build, the typical armor/stats required, and what they are good for (roaming, healing, dps, meat shield etc) so we have a thread to c&P when people ask what characters/builds they should run?

Thats part of the idea… just need more time (and/or more people) to implement it…
We can add links (topics, guides, videos) too…

I know there are a few more on necro, ranger and engi, but Im not sure as I havent played much with those…

I think he drops the hammer for a sword or mace / shield when he joins the seraph…

But all in all..
Worse book of the series…

Elementalist
– Staff dps – Long distance AoE nuke and support
– d/d tank – High suvival and mobile for close fights
– variations of the d/d tank with more dmg and different setup (s/d)

Engi
- confusion build with prybar (tankkat?)
- 100nades or variants

Guardian
- AH and variants
- Meditation-MF (variant of AH point set-up with focus on meditations)
- Healaway
- DPS burst (s/x // GS)

Mesmer
Shatter dps
Condition / confusion
Mantra / immortal (not sure if to set those appart or not)

Necro
Condition spread (contagion)
Condition Wells
Power Wells

Ranger
Condition traps
Condition no-traps
regen monster?
pure ranged dps (LB/SB pierce dmg build) ?

Thief
GC burst and its small variants
Balanced (lower dmg, high stealth use)
Condition ( p/d or d/d)

Warrior
Riffle dps (s/w for suport mobility)
Banner dps/support
Shout dps/support
Hammer CC
Pure 100b dps (balanced stance – frenzy- rush – 100b)
Balanced dps (shouts/dmg/cc mix, usually with warhorn or mace OH)
Condition (Bow // s/s)

(will try to update later…)

Just to check, lets try to list the “viable” builds for WvW (roam/solo cap/zerg suport) of each class… (and maybe list their roles, and such)
By “viable” means something with at least some role and synergy in traits/skills/gear.

Pls leave the comments like “anything is viable in zerg” or “this is not viable is crap” at minimum.

I’ll try to make this as a Q/A and set the A with the most clear/updated list.

Maybe we can get some good general info…

I cant understand how you can be dead before you can react on a guardian.

If you dont like to die, look for the tankiest build and gear and start to addapt from there… the trait setup you described looks very dps oriented, and to do dps on pvp in this game you really need good reflexes and understanding on what is going on and who you are fighting.

I did the opposite transition and really feel bad for you.

Thief is fun and challenging, but the Guardian is so much better.
So much healing, dmg, defense and group utility… The only thing the thief can do better than a guardian is run away… And actually, my guard can do that better too…

Thief can remove 1 or 2 conditions on stealth… Guard can remove 2 cond every 10secs without stop whatever he is doing, or he can remove 1 or 2 cond from the whole group with shouts and even turn it into boons, while healing himself and giving crazy buffs (considering shout spec)… Or you can just turn all cond into boons and get a nice heal (considering meditation spec)…

Thief can have a good burst going GC, guardian has great burst going GC too, with more survivability and more sustained dmg…

Control/tank guardian wins… on trash mobs or bosses…

The only thing thief can be better than guardian is the condition spec. Guards have no viable cond spec… Maybe ranged combat, but only for pvp, as mobs dont really dodge the blue-balls-of-fire… and when going ranged with guard you can have more missile defenses using shield, wall of reflection and the summoned shield…

Guardian is a much more forgiving class also. If you forgot to dodge you still have aegis, high armor and constant heal/regen to stay in the fight. If a thief dont dodge, he’s dead or need to go hide in the corner until he can recover…

Don’t get me wrong… I love my thief, but guardian is a much more balanced class (in terms of trait/skills/stats synergy) and can do much more in both solo and group environments. And its no surprise people take guards over thiefs to “elite runs” and all that stuff…

Olaf Soul Can Haz.4689:

lLobo.7960:

Remember that exotics rings and ammy are a bad place to start trading knights/soldiers for zerkers…

What do you mean by this?

I mean that base stats (pow/tough/vit/agi…) and secondary stats (crit dmg / healling Pow / Cond dmg) dont have the same ratio on different slots and for different qualities…

For example:
If you trade a knights upgrade gem for a berserker gem you trade 5 points of stats per point of crit dmg. If you trade an ascended ammy, you will trade 9.44 pts for point in crit dmg. If the ammy is exotics it will be about 13pts ratio.. and this goes on for every different slot… so you need to know where you are going to put things if you want the best mix…

- Traps (area and activation numbers)
– Poisons (strengh, aplications, misses)

depending on what quality accessories you are going for there are better ways to mix things…

Remember that exotics rings and ammy are a bad place to start trading knights/soldiers for zerkers…

Outmaned buff increases the cap on AoE?

I think by using the transmute you get them acc bound.
Then when you transmute into another exotic they turn to soulbound again… I think…

I just dont know how this trick will translate when they upgrade the stats to ascended…

If maximize means “extended stealth time”, then go for BP-HS combo, do it away from opponents and without a target (and auto-target) so you can do 2-3 combos (need to turn quick) without hitting anything or you will get revealed.

If maximize means “better use of stealth”, then go for 30 trait points in SA for health regen, cond cleanse and extra ini on stealth…

Its a VERY ini heavy set-up and you will need traits to keep your ini pool going…

sPvP is completely separated from WvW and PvE. You wont take your gear there.
In sPvP everyone is lvl 80 with full access to traits and utilities and can pick from the same gear stats (just looks change), etc. So if you want to go sPvP you dont need to lvl or gear or anything…

WvW uses your character PvE gear, traits and skills, but your lvl is always 80.
If you follow the zerg there (depending on your server and timezone) you don’t really need good gear, skills, build or brains. But having those DO help in any case.

Go around on wvw a bit and figure what you like (folowing the zerg, small groups or solo roaming) then search the forums for suggested builds/gear and adapt them to your needs.

Guardian is a very adaptable class that can perform many different roles (even run away, if you have the right combos).

Good hunting!

I think you guys missed the sarcasm… but its ok… sometimes it perma-stealth. =P

crushedmuffin.5203:

Just one of the SoR speed/ fly/ no clip hackers today. If you are from SoR please help report this guy. he hangs around speldan mill most of the time with his under leveled necro hacker buddie.

Pls record it and make a movie using the “I believe I can fly” song…

They can add a “… and shadowstep you away”.
This way you wont die for having revealed up, but for being throw out of cliffs or into packs of mobs and zergs. Or beeing to far to CnD anything…

The problem with giving thief a weapon that has Knockdown, knockbacks and pulls is the capacity the thief have to abuse those CC by chaining it with ini regen.
Knockback – pull – Roll for iniative – pull – knockback…
I doubt any weapon will get more CC than what PW or BP does currently.
Any forms of harder CC are probably going to be stealth triggered skills, such as the ones with sword, in this way they have a CD of sorts (revealed debuff).

The idea of a martial staff is nice, anyway… Would be fun to have a weapon with more blocks/evades and leap, making it a good choice for tank/control (since blind dont work on bosses). the stealth skill could be the knockback/knockdown.

pls post links to the topics…
we want to see their suffering! <evillaught>

I think people are not quite understanding what the O kitten aying (really? I have to put it as “OP is talking”? kitten .
He is not right, but he is not totally wrong.

The problem here is that ranged skills need a target to fire in a direction. If you use it without a target you just shoot your feet. Is the same with rifle warrior…

If you want to shoot a thief in stealth you need to start the skill before he goes in stealth, then the skill will follow him in stealth. If you lost the target, you will shoot nothing.

I think this are 2 really bad bugs/designs.

First, if you dont have a target, you your shots should go in a line and hit oponent in the way (one or more, depending on piercing trait)
Second, if you lost the target whileusing a channel skill the skill should behave as it had no target, as above.

I guess he didnt asked the ele becouse the ele was on the VIP section…

Depends on situation…

Shield is not a dps tool. If you want dmg, go torch off-hand.

Shield is more of a ranged combat defense (protection + projectile block/heal), while focus is more melee defense (blind/regen + block/PBAoE).

And I was going to say this topic is Pure Gold, but in the end it lacks fast AoE, so it only gets bronze, maybe silver…

naphack.9346:

HeNnAz.8913:

hey do you guys mind if I steal these jokes?

signature: Guardian and Elementalist…
And I was wondering, why he bothered asking…

He teleported all the way from the other subforums to steal something that wont disapear from here and will be useless in his hands… I say its well balanced…

go ahead man…