I dont’ think the problem is cof is too easy or too fast. The problem is people spend “hours of farming it everyday”. I personally farmed it for 10 hours a day some time.
And if you nerf cof or make it more difficult, the people get hurt the most is actually the casual players. I just think if you put a diminishing return let’s say if you run cof more than 6 times a day it stop giving “any reward”. That solution is probably better.
And if you look at the situation of AC, many people “stop” doing it all together. There are virtually “almost” no low level group doing AC runs. I just dont’ think making it harder so people just stop doing it is the best solution.
But I think the people knows best are the Anet developer. Since they are the one squeeshing their head every hour of the day to try to find ways to make the game better. So whatever tweak they come up, I’ll accept it.
Too much of this game is driven by rewards instead of driven by the actual reward of just being satisfied by beating challenging content.
The whole end game of GW2 is based on extrinsic rewards rather than intrinsic rewards. Unfortunately, that doesn’t leave enough fun in a game to make it worth playing for very long.
Its not challenging content that I am after per se, it is interesting content that I am after, good if its challenging in a sense if it relies on teamwork rather than utilizing a particular class to faceroll encounters.
What you’re seeing there is the other edge of the “let’s get rid of the trilogy” double-edged sword. And I’m in no way saying “bring back the trilogy.”
I’m saying “define the roles better.”
Isn’t that the problem? The situation is any easy content people just going to say defense is useless, let us stack more warrior to make the run faster. If it is harder content people just stack up on the amount of guardian.
The problem is if there is no trilogy, every class should potentially be equal in dps, defense and utility for balance reason. Which sounds very weird because why is a “theif” having equal amount of defense as a guardian.
Warrior damage is fine… the problem is CoF is short, bridge content can be skipped, and the boss is too weak. Make it so that an average run would take 20 minutes.
actually many cof runs for me do infact take 20 minutes. The problem is it don’t help that the premade speed run group do it much faster.
and if you make the speed run group take 20 minutes, what do you think happen to other pug? make them take 1 hour?
i said AVERAGE. That means 20 mins for everyone. You misunderstood what i said and ignored my actual points; CoF is short, bridge content can be skipped, and the boss is too weak.
YOur second paragraph is an exaggeration. A slight adjustment would at most cause pugs to take 30 mins the most. The point is to make full dps groups unviable for this dungeon run.
Btw, with a good pug(non speed run) i can do p1 in 12 mins. With a bad one i take 25 mins. Theres no other dungeon thats this easy
and how do you make full dps groups unviable?
Even then, what is going to be change? 3 warior, 1 memser and a guardian anchor?
I think one of the biggest flaw in design of the dungeon is the last boss regen. So if you can’t burn the boss down fast it take very long to kill the boss. That’s what ascalate the seperation between the speed run group and normal group.
I think the reality if developer want to make cof farming “unviable”. They need to make cof take like 15 minutes for the speed run group. And those people will “probably” just move to the next easiest farming spot.
The warrior situation is also interesting. I mean people always think warrior is good at “dps”, which I’m not sure if it is even true. But the reality is warrior is very good at group buff and vulnerability on enemy. Think of this way, if a warrior can buff the group to do 5% more dmg, and debuff the boss to take 5% more damage. And if every one in the group is doing 100 damage. The warrior can do 50% more damage compare to the other class that can’t buff/debuff as good.
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Warrior damage is fine… the problem is CoF is short, bridge content can be skipped, and the boss is too weak. Make it so that an average run would take 20 minutes.
actually many cof runs for me do infact take 20 minutes. The problem is it don’t help that the premade speed run group do it much faster.
and if you make the speed run group take 20 minutes, what do you think happen to other pug? make them take 1 hour?
@Archilevel
I don’t think you get my point. You can already “almost” make the same amount of money by doing hotw speed run or TA first boss. But people dont’ do it because there is a more efficient “or” easier way to make money.
And the truth is the good people of Anet dont’ want everyone to make money by “just playing the game”. Partially because they have a gem store. And the inflation and economy will be crazy. Many of the players isn’t even actively trying to make gold. Now you are saying give the players cof comparable gold by doing anything and everything. What do you think the economy will be like?
I get what you are saying. I think you are trying to say is make more “diverse” way to make money. But I think only way that’ll happen is by using diminishing return, which many players isn’t very fund of.
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So what’s next? lfm berserker warrrior/memser for hotw path1? Or TA first boss? If you nerf everything, people will just be back at pent/shelter wp farming the same orr event infinity times.
The reality is people will always find the path of least resilience. The only real solution is put a DR on everything and people just outcry they can’t even play the game.
I don’t know the answer. I suppose if the smart people from Anet can’t figure it out 6 month in to the game, I have nothing to add.
The only thing I want to say is the problem largely is because in this game you farm gold. So people will always just move to the most efficient way to farm gold. And it don’t help Anet is the one promoting this because they need the enormous gold sink to keep the hardcore players and basically make more money from their gem store.
In most games i have played so far, making items and selling them at a profit makes you just that; a profit.
It is much harder in this game because there are so much more competition. The problem is auction house is “cross server”, so you have a few times more people trying to do the exact samething you are doing.
Now imagine the games you played. Say you are one of the 3 jewel crafter on the server who sell jewel everyday. Now imagine there are 30 server all cross linked. Now you have 90 competition.
That is why it is so much harder to make money through crafting in this game. In other game I can craft almost anything and make a profit.
I saw a poll on ascended gear and stats progression. I’m quite surprise on how most people don’t like it. And actually very few think it’s good for the game.
You can actually google it I believe there is like almost 1000 people voting? I think like 18% like it 70% don’t like it, the other can go either way or don’t care.
I asked a few people that manage to make money of crafting, the answer they gave me is always the same… use a spreadsheet.
So my guess is it is possible to make money. It is just not for everyone. And you need to watch the market closely.
I have 7 level80, working on my 8 and 9. I have 1500 hours played across all my characters and have about 1000 worth of gold, material, or gem. I have no legendary
You see the trend? If I spend those 1500 hours farming at 5 gold per hour I would have like 7500+ gold.
Yes without doubt you’ll make more money. But if your only purpose is to make more money you might as well save those time to level alt to farm more money.
I think the huge deciding factor is how much you play per day. If you play a lot, it is not a bad idea to invest about 100 gold to level through crafting and gear your alt up. Even that, it take many dungeon runs and dragon chest to recoup that cost.
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if I “only” attack with my axe “autoattack” button. Does it matter what is in my offhand?
or an alternate way to ask the question is if I have axe/axe and I have axe/shield. Do I do more damage on my axe/axe if I just auto attack than my axe/shield?
This question is purely theoretical. I understand many warrior use axe/mace since mace gives vulnerability on their other attack.
The truth to me is mmorpg just like real world have all kind of people.
And like I said before I dont’ personally find elitist as a problem, simple because I never meet any unless I’m actively seeking them myself, because “sometimes” those group are indeed smoother and faster.
The truth is if you avoid group with says “require xxx, experienced, speedrun”. You really won’t meet any elitist. And the people I met usually are always very nice people.
Birds of a feather flock together.
ya that’s why elitist isn’t the problem.
If you can’t meet those requirement just dont’ join those groups.
And you don’t need to feel sorry for those under geared or inexperienced player “trying to join the elitist group”. Since they are all the same people.
First off I want to say I dont agree with the gem store, but accepted it as its a necessary evil that will bring all of us benefits to the game. So… where are they? The benefits?
I heard this quote a lot in GW2 “some must fight, so all may be free”
replace the word “fight” to “pay”
replace the word “be free” to “play for free”
we all paid bro.
And for most of us … very cheaply because “some other person is paying more”.
First off I want to say I dont agree with the gem store, but accepted it as its a necessary evil that will bring all of us benefits to the game. So… where are they? The benefits?
I heard this quote a lot in GW2 “some must fight, so all may be free”
replace the word “fight” to “pay”
replace the word “be free” to “play for free”
I think what everyone said here have some truth.
But I just want to point out warrior not only is great dps they also make their party better at dps. Warrior have many ways of stacking vulnerability and ways to buff might and fury to the party.
And similar other class may be as “tanky” as guardian, but no class can “protect” their party members as good as guardian.
guys im gona stop you all if u go frakttals lvl 40+ whit no guaridan u are kittened to the bone its not about dmg its about stability reflect aeiges healing and auras war cant help not EVEN close like guardian can
There is a threshold of too much support. 5 Guardians can easily beat any content, if you want to take twice as long as 1-2 guardians and several warriors.
ya either way I think people knows guardian is an OPed defensive class and warrior is an OPed offensive class in pve dungeon. I personally think this 2 class is the best overall dungeon class.
I think it’s an interesting topic actually. I appreciate the OP take the time to do the theory craft. I just wish it can be more in depth.
There is too much to consider including weapon type, skills, traits, enemy defense, vulnerability and buff to group.
I mean I read through the theory craft, and it sounds ok on paper. But in reality I’m not sure if it’s really true. Which I hope there is some way to prove it.
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^ to simplify warrior is oped in dmg and guardian is oped in defense. we need to buff the other class…
ok that’s a joke.
only reason i mentioned dps meter is I think it’s a good tool to make people understand the game better. I think there’s many misconception people have about dps which they don’t understand. And me personally have a hard time to understand.
for example people keep saying hundred blade when gs isn’t even the highest dps weapon. which makes me wonder if gs is the highest dps weapon for guardian.
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wow. I waste 3 minutes of my life. all i can say is this game need dps meter
unless all those info is 100% accurate. I’m not sure it is.
This game will never have a dps meter.
dont’ get me started. I’m just saying it’s good as an educational purpose.
wow. I waste 3 minutes of my life. all i can say is this game need dps meter
unless all those info is 100% accurate. I’m not sure it is.
I find it fun to “challenge” myself to do the dungeon as fast as possible.
I used to play a game where there’s hall of fame record to who clear the dungeon the fastest. That is very fun.
Really, there’s only 2 challange for dungeon. 1 is to be able to clear it. 2 is to be able to clear it as efficient as possible.
Instead of thinking its skipping think it as… “well I can clear the dungeon. Let me try to do it faster next run”.
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so if i want to maximize my dps. should i keep switching between gs and sword/focus?
what’s the attack sequenece if I want to maximize dps on a stationary enemy/boss that don’t move?
I don’t know why people want to customize the way they look…
or want to transfer server so they can play with friends…
or want to wear exotic instead of masterwork so they don’t get kick out of party…
or spend 100+ gold to buy ascneded backpiece for agony resistance so they can do high level fotm…
I mean that is so shallow….
Is that shallow?
Let me put it this way, my last guild want to trasnfer to another server and they want every guild member to spend 40 gold or 25$ to trasnfer with them. Not everyone have the luxury to spend 25$ just for a server trasnfer and gold surely don’t grow on tree.
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There isn’t even much difference between a down scaled level80 and a level35. You can just gather a group of level80 in masterwork using tier1 trait and it is the same thing.
I think what people trying to say is they can’t tolerate the high percent of failure rate in pug.
And like you said before, the dungeon isn’t even hard in organized group. So it’s just weird I need to organize a group for a dungeon which isn’t even hard. Yet I can’t even casually play it since it have a high chance of fail in pug.
That is what I’m trying to tell you before. If the dungeon is too hard for pug and too easy for organized group, who is it for?
I actually find the difficulty for AC ok myself but that’s probably because I play a guardian.
But like you said before, it isn’t even hard. Yet you need to do organized group only with experienced player.
I really missed the raiding day in other mmorpg. I also played other mmorpg which have 5 man dungeon that take month to finish in an organized group. I just think the dungeon in GW2 is too easy for me to put the effort to organize group for it. Yet I can’t play it casually doing pug. Which is what make it frustrating for me.
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Do you find AC even hard Maestro?
I don’t know if this was sarcasm (do you even lift? type question) so I’ll answer seriously. Currently on my level 80 Mesmer, I do not find it hard. I ran it pre-patch with a level 35 Necro and did not find it hard either (we did Howling King’s Path). Post-patch with a lvl 35…I suppose this video will see.
so Anet designed a dungeon which is too hard for pug and too easy for coordinate group. So who the hack is Anet design the dungeon for.
Do you find AC even hard Maestro?
I only run that with guildies or friends who come online, since LFG has only ‘ZERKER WARS AND MESMER ONLY! GEAR CHECK! GOLD RUN!’ quality of spam. I have 6 toons maxed out in exo, and the majority of ppl looking for parties are kicking out anyone who is not a warrior, mesmer, or in ruby accessories. Gear check, seriously? The only gear check required should be for Arah.
No issues with the dungeon, just the players. It’s fun! All burning and kitties.
Ok seriously go to gwlfg again. Look at the list again. Yes there are memser/warrior berserker or whatever group. But that is infact the minority.
Most of them dont’ ask for gear check. So your problem is “maybe” you want to join those group and you can’t.
My problem is ‘definitely’ players who tell me ‘sorry zerker warriors or mesmers only’ even if I am a DPS Guardian/Ranger/Ele/Thief/Necro. Even if their posts say ‘Speed run! For gold!’ The difference completing a dungeon in 5 mins and 15 mins isn’t the end of the world.
I dont’ want to post any more. You dont’ really understand what’s going on. Those farmers farm it over and over again. I saw my friend farming it 12+ hours a day.
It is not a big deal if you do it only once. If you do it over a long period of time, that’s the difference. People can maybe do 8 cof runs an hour. If it take you 15 minutes to complete it you can only do 4.
That’s the difference between getting 8 gold an hour to 4 gold an hour. Or 80 gold over 10 hour compare to 40. And 80 gold compare to 40 gold is a big difference.
Anyway, I dont’ care what Anet does. You can keep complaining. It is really Anet’s decision to change whatever they think fit. It’s not like what ever I say matter. I’ll just go back to playing.
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what’s that trying to prove. One time of the day the top 8 listing out of the (rest which trying to hide) is warrior/memser only?
Ya I just went to gwlfg. indeed like 20 of thie listing is indeed warrior/memser or berserker whatever. the rest of the 46 isn’t about that. you meant you can’t find a group?
Ok seriously go to gwlfg again. Look at the list again. Yes there are memser/warrior berserker or whatever group. But that is infact the minority.
Most of them dont’ ask for gear check. So your problem is “maybe” you want to join those group and you can’t.
In any “zerk war only” ad, gear check is implied.
I didn’t say anything except there are groups beside zerk war only. The guy says there’s only zerk war only group and that is obviously not true.
A bit out of subject, isn’t the term “carebear” rather pejorative and elitist in itself?
I don’t know. I’m actually a carebear myself, and I called myself that.
If you think carebear is a negative word in any sense and I offended you, I appologize.
But even I can sit back and go: “yes, that separation really did split the populace quite a bit”. However, this was an inevitable result of allowing open-world PvP where people who were skilled and preparedd could pretty much kill with impunity and not be punished very much.
Ultima Online and the game preceding it (Meridian 59) are why I have a psychological block against actually being good at PvP in games.
Ya tell me about it. UO probably is better the way before when there is no segregation. But I think it is doomed to happen because carebear are running to other games anyway with new game coming out. Many people dont’ have a choice but to endure getting ganked because there’s really 3 mmorpg out at that time.
I dont’ know where you are getting at. You don’t need to reinforce it. It is already happening. Having a gear check UI just make it easeir to check it instead of going through all the gear ping etc.
Take for example, AC getting harder. If you check gwlfg… ya almost every group is level80 only now.
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I only run that with guildies or friends who come online, since LFG has only ‘ZERKER WARS AND MESMER ONLY! GEAR CHECK! GOLD RUN!’ quality of spam. I have 6 toons maxed out in exo, and the majority of ppl looking for parties are kicking out anyone who is not a warrior, mesmer, or in ruby accessories. Gear check, seriously? The only gear check required should be for Arah.
No issues with the dungeon, just the players. It’s fun! All burning and kitties.
Ok seriously go to gwlfg again. Look at the list again. Yes there are memser/warrior berserker or whatever group. But that is infact the minority.
Most of them dont’ ask for gear check. So your problem is “maybe” you want to join those group and you can’t.
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no people need to not be segregated based on the gear they choose or the items they use or the skill set. thus, its what would happen if this stupid idea was EVER considered by anet…
so you can wear full MF, leech off the party, and get away with it riiightt?
people who wear MF gear or sigil of LUCK in dungeons disgust me. Like, get the hell away from me or my party. I’m not about to spend my time and effort knowing that things could’ve run much faster had you NOT worn MF gear.
Next up, people who have the Sigil of Life also told to “GTFO” from parties since it only helps them heal. And since most heals are self only, it’s not helping the party.
well if those people dotn’ want to play with other people that use sigil of life they have to?
It’s like me telling a good looking girl she should date me because I said so. Ya I mean she shouldn’t discriminate me because I’m a 60 year bold guy or something.
I mean she can do whatever she want. She can date who ever she likes. I mean if she want to date only old guy and not young guy that’s her choice too right?
Here’s the point. Here’s you missing the point. Here’s me trying laboriously to bring it back to show you.
Here’s the horse, isn’t he nice? We don’t actually have horses, but that’s okay, run with it I’m working on a budget.
Here’s the slippery slope, which has happened in every MMO ever when you started making it socially okay to segregate based on gear. Here’s where we started doing that already with “Berserker only, 3 War, 1 Mes, 1 Guardian” runs. Here’s where we start giving people validation they’re correct by inspecting people they think are inferior and using the gear they see to formulate the argument of why the person stinks.
Here’s where “inspect” comes in and I have to deal with more people trying to argue that because my gear isn’t top-shelf I must not be useful. Here’s where I point out I’m a ranger, that’s our default mode. Here’s where they laugh and I don’t get a group, and so I decide I need to go kill something. Here’s where a Risen uses my head for a bowling ball. It gets a strike.
Here’s where people tell me “slippery slope” is a fallacy and arguing from innocence. Here’s where I point out the argument has been used tirelessly in regards to Ascended gear so much it’s taken as fact, so if it’s taken as fact it’s fair game. Here’s where I’m told it’s not the same thing at all, even though it really is.
Here’s where I shake my head slowly and sit back because arguing over the internet is an ultimately pointless debate. Here’s where I sell the horse to Hasbro for their new show by convincing them it’s a unicorn and retire for the rest of my life. Drinking from glasses which have fruit on little sticks in them and something highly alcoholic.
You know what you sound like? You sound like those pvp players in Ultima Online. Oh wait there shouldn’t be pve server. It segregate the population. Since if those pve players left they have no people to gank. So those pve players should be forced to be ganked even if they dont’ want.
If people dont’ want to play with you that’s their choice. And listen to me, class balance is out of the players distriction. If you think your ranger isn’t getting a group tell Anet to balance the class. If people dont’ want to play with you because they think ranger is inferior, that’s not their problem.
And please stop telling me gear don’t matter in “speed runs”. Yes you dont’ get in the group because you arn’t wearing berserker. If you meant to tell me you can some how do a cof run starting from open gate in 5 minutes in knight gear, cleric gear or whatever I’m fine with it. But reality is it is not possible. It doesn’t matter how good you are. There is always a cap on how fast you can go with wearing for example knight gear.
And the funny thing? There are non berserker memser/warrior cof group. Why don’t you just join those group. Beside that, if that is discriminating. Maybe everyone asking for guardian in high level fotm is discriminating too. Since that’s kind of the trend too.
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They are not that important in GW2, and the difference between tiers is not a make-or-break situation. There is really no reason someone’s gear should be anyone else’s business, especially since MMO players are historically bad at figuring out what’s useful to discriminate on the basis of (see: WoW, again, and people demanding ridiculous gearscore levels to do the most basic content, without really knowing what they were even asking for). If gear is that important to you, ask people what they’re wearing and why before inviting them. Ask what their build is, so you know why they’re geared the way they are. Be familiar with every class, so that you don’t end up looking ignorant for refusing to take someone with a useful build just because you don’t recognize it and their gearing choices. And if they don’t want to tell you, well, you don’t have to play with them.
I’ll put it this way. Go to gwlfg, check AC. Do you realize something different? ya there are far less group. And every group is level80 only now. Everyone have their own opinion. If you think gear check isn’t important, I respected that. But apparently I think many other players do. You should respect that too.
I dont’ have a problem either way with gear check. I think “maybe” set up a option for group to have gear check enable/disable, and you can’t change it after the group is set up. And if people that don’t want to join the group with gear check enable, they can do whatever them want.
This should be a non-debate.
Those who want gear check already have it… when you make yourself a little group… demand an equipment ping… those people that don’t mind that sort of stuff will ping their gear.
Everyone who doesn’t want to cater to your elitist bullkitten can refuse.
Everyone is happy. End of discussion. No one is forced to play with anyone… and no time was lost.
Surely if that was the case you would have no reason to object to inspect. After all, we’re just doing the exact same thing but saving you the trouble. If you don’t like the group don’t join it. It’s easier, more streamlined, and way less time is wasted for either party without affecting or injuring either in any possible way whatsoever.
Except you can simply keep a normal set of armor on your inventory and link that, while using your MF gear. Which makes me think that people like you are less honest people who are simply disgruntled by a potential feature that wouldn’t affect them at all, and more dishonest players trying to protect their ability to piggy back off of better players.
Why not just have a party option which have inspect gear and one without. That way people can choose to do whatever they want.
It became quite annoying to ask people to ping gear. And some of them take forever, either because they are slow or they just try to hide it and get in the group.
ya I mean the problem is really people do hide. When asking people to link gear, they link half of the gear and hide the rest. I mean there are times when people ask for gear check and the guy spend 5 minutes to waste people’s time and when you finally realize he won’t link and you have to kick him and find another person. Not only that when putting requirement in gwlfg, people without those requirement do try to join.
And lastly you get a group and there are those people who get angry when people start asking for gear check.
But my “grip” is not with gear check. My “grip” is with people that think everyone should play with them even if they dont’ want to.
I dont’ have a problem weather gear checking is implemented either. Me personally, I just want gear check so if I see some cool looking armor I know what it is. Or if I’m interested in what build they are using, I can learn from them.
stop right there elitist. YOU DON’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO SEE MY GEAR AT ALL. why? because this isn’t wow. THERE IS NO HOLY TRINITY
Listen you are perfectly right. I don’t have a problem this game dont’ have gear check.
I have a problem when people tell me I need to play with them even if I dont’ want to.
You have no right to tell me to play with you if you don’t link your gear ok?
I might get offtopic, “but” my main grip is if I don’t want to play with people in “no ar, mf gear, or non exotic”, I don’t “have to do it”. Which is what many people think I have to do even if I don’t want to.
And quite honestly I hardly ask for gear check or ar check besides speed run. And usually in speed run, I’m not the one asking, it is usually the other people setting the group asking.
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no people need to not be segregated based on the gear they choose or the items they use or the skill set. thus, its what would happen if this stupid idea was EVER considered by anet…
so you can wear full MF, leech off the party, and get away with it riiightt?
people who wear MF gear or sigil of LUCK in dungeons disgust me. Like, get the hell away from me or my party. I’m not about to spend my time and effort knowing that things could’ve run much faster had you NOT worn MF gear.
Next up, people who have the Sigil of Life also told to “GTFO” from parties since it only helps them heal. And since most heals are self only, it’s not helping the party.
well if those people dotn’ want to play with other people that use sigil of life they have to?
It’s like me telling a good looking girl she should date me because I said so. Ya I mean she shouldn’t discriminate me because I’m a 60 year bold guy or something.
I mean she can do whatever she want. She can date who ever she likes. I mean if she want to date only old guy and not young guy that’s her choice too right?
You got some fingers, you can type can’t you? So just ask and that’s it. And if you want to be 100% sure just find a guild group. I find it sneaky to inspect people without having to tell them and without them having a chance to avoid it. So make it an option to show gear and I’m fine.
ya I mean the problem is really people do hide. When asking people to link gear, they link half of the gear and hide the rest. I mean there are times when people ask for gear check and the guy spend 5 minutes to waste people’s time and when you finally realize he won’t link and you have to kick him and find another person. Not only that when putting requirement in gwlfg, people without those requirement do try to join.
And lastly you get a group and there are those people who get angry when people start asking for gear check.
But my “grip” is not with gear check. My “grip” is with people that think everyone should play with them even if they dont’ want to.
I mean people talked about elitist. When those people that don’t meet gear check are infact doing the same thing which is trying to join the elitist group.
I dont’ have a problem weather gear checking is implemented either. Me personally, I just want gear check so if I see some cool looking armor I know what it is. Or if I’m interested in what build they are using, I can learn from them.
ya and stop telling me to find a guild group. Why don’t those people with mf, no ar try to join a guild group with mf or no ar. Well because it’s not exactly easy to find a group. I can’t just log in at any time and find 4 other guildmates that want to do what I want to do and meet those gear check.
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how about only the item is displayed, no stats or anyting.
I dont’ think that helps. since most people know the item stats unless it is transmuted.
Just by looking at the item I know it is “most likely” what item. It is hard to tell for crafted item, but besides that, most experienced people know just by looking.
no people need to not be segregated based on the gear they choose or the items they use or the skill set. thus, its what would happen if this stupid idea was EVER considered by anet…
so you can wear full MF, leech off the party, and get away with it riiightt?
people who wear MF gear or sigil of LUCK in dungeons disgust me. Like, get the hell away from me or my party. I’m not about to spend my time and effort knowing that things could’ve run much faster had you NOT worn MF gear.
Next up, people who have the Sigil of Life also told to “GTFO” from parties since it only helps them heal. And since most heals are self only, it’s not helping the party.
well if those people dotn’ want to play with other people that use sigil of life they have to?
It’s like me telling a good looking girl she should date me because I said so. Ya I mean she shouldn’t discriminate me because I’m a 60 year bold guy or something.
I mean she can do whatever she want. She can date who ever she likes. I mean if she want to date only old guy and not young guy that’s her choice too right?
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Skill>gear min/maxing
Really its true. The only thing inspection does is allow all the anal kitten to create an artificial barrier on people joining teams. A bad player is a bad player, doesnt matter if he or she is in Exo’s carrying a legendary weapon if they suck at playing. Similarly a good player in rares can easily keep up with an exo team if they are smart enough and play well.
In short; Inspect gear is a bad idea, full stop. Thats why the devs didnt put it in.
Listen dude. There is no barrier for you to do dungeon. The only barrier is you can’t join those group which require a gear check.
You said other people shouldn’t discriminate against you because you have bad gear or no ar. Why are you discriminating other people similar as you? Form your own group. And dont’ insist you should be allowed to join those gear checked group.
And besides you should work for your own stuff, not go in those elite group and expect to get carry.
Excuse me but what the hell are your talking about? Who said I have bad gear? Really you need to learn to read the information properly.
I said I as a player would RATHER have a good player in sub powered gear than a bad player in max gear in my team. Why? Because skill trumps stats every single time. A “gear check” is a moronic way to make a team. The ONLY gear requirement this game has is in fractals above 10 needing some AR. Since anyone can get AR resistance from laurels/fractal relics, that is not a problem.
What is a problem is fools barring other players based on statistics alone. This is why the devs did not implement an inspection tool in the first place.
And FYI I have 80s fully decked out in exos and with an AR specced item (Asc. amu.).
Ok my mistake. My “you” is a broder sense of people with bad gear no ar thinking they should be allowed to join those group with gear check. That sounds better?
Why do those people think they should be allowed to join? There isn’t other group that dont’ have those requirement?
Why dont’ those people stop discriminating themself and form a group together and work on something. I mean is there a shortage of dungeon group that don’t ask for gear check?
And if “I” (or in short for other so called elitist) dont’ want to play with you. I “dont’ have to” play with you. It is not my job to play with a person in mf, masterwork, or 0 ar if I dont’ want to.
And your right. Skill does matter. That’s why besides “gear/ar” many group also asked for “experienced” player. And most important of all there is no “skill” check so it’s hard to check skill besides those people having agony ring on average is most likely more skilled because they at least succeeded in the dungeon before.
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Skill>gear min/maxing
Really its true. The only thing inspection does is allow all the anal kitten to create an artificial barrier on people joining teams. A bad player is a bad player, doesnt matter if he or she is in Exo’s carrying a legendary weapon if they suck at playing. Similarly a good player in rares can easily keep up with an exo team if they are smart enough and play well.
In short; Inspect gear is a bad idea, full stop. Thats why the devs didnt put it in.
Listen dude. There is no barrier for you to do dungeon. The only barrier is you can’t join those group which require a gear check.
You said other people shouldn’t discriminate against you because you have bad gear or no ar. Why are you discriminating other people similar as you? Form your own group. And dont’ insist you should be allowed to join those gear checked group.
You shouldn’t be discriminated but you are discriminating other people similar as you?
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To me the hardest part about legendary is getting the 1000+ gold of material required for legendary. So ya, even if you craft it yourself you can still buy your way to legendary.
I think the problem is there are no ways to get ascended backpiece besides fractal.
And those people don’t want to do fotm are forced to resolve in this “methods”.
Anyway I think it was nerfed a long time ago. Since I remembered someone mentioned it is possible to farm swamp and get vial? But when I tested it a couple month ago it isn’t possible. So it probably is nerfed and is nerfed quite a while ago.
I really just tested it to see if I can help those people that don’t want to do fractal.
Try to suggest to kill everything and you’ll just get kicked.
well, put it this way. People arn’t really “doing” dungeon. They are “farming” money.
If you take a look at the recent change to AC, the number of people that do the dungeon have significantly decreased. Just take a look at gwlfg. There are far less people doing it now. And very few low level use it to “farm” level. Since most group demand level80 only now.
When they made the change to cof path 2. I make a decision to never run it again. Since it became an inefficient farm spot. If I would to run in a pug I get to the end and the pug can’t handle it, I just waste alot of my time.
It’s not that it is hard or anything. But I just value it as “failable” if I get in a bad group. That’s why many people stop doing AC.
Doing a hard dungeon may sound interesting. But if you would have to do a hard dungeon thousands of times for a legendary. It become very frustrating when your teamates can’t handle it.
shrug. I guess everyone have the right to complain. Since people are basically selfish.
They basically think everyone else should play with them even if they dont’ want to. Why do I have to play with you because you are new to the game, wearing masterwork or have no ar.
I mean I laugh at all those calling other people elitist and they dont’ look at themself and realize how selfish they are.
I don’t really care about gear inspection. I just find that as an interesting human behavior. I suppose that’s how people are and maybe I should act that way myself.
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Don’t need it….no need to feed the elitist brats. If perfection in gear or build is needed to succeed at anything, then the game is too hard and thus doomed to die.
The normal players will not feel good about themselves if too much failure and they will quit. There are no where near enough hardcore fanatics to keep any game running the money of the casuals, thank God.
That’s the point right? It make it easier for those “cough cough elitist brats to play with themself” so you won’t be bothered.
And since there are so few of them and so many of you, you wont’ have a problem finding a group.
Why should people not wanting to play with you to play with you. You’re the spoiled brat right?
no people need to not be segregated based on the gear they choose or the items they use or the skill set. thus, its what would happen if this stupid idea was EVER considered by anet…
So basically you are saying people need to play with you even if they don’t want?
Since that’s what you are basically saying. If people don’t want to play with you because of your gear or skill set, that’s their choice.
ya I mean privacy? You must be very sensitive if you don’t want to share what you are wearing.
If you are scared you might get kick because you are not wearing exotic or have ar I understand.
But “privacy” is a very weird reason. What’s so mysterious about your gear you don’t want people to know.
Must some overpowered build you don’t want to share if you are so secreative about it.
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