Guild Wars 2

Wetpaw.3487:

There has been a valid argument, the valid argument is players like to see this feature implemented and retaining players is what this business is about.

The invalid argument comes from players in this community that constantly say NO to content that retains and brings in new players for the benefit of the game as a whole.

For example I find spvp and the term esport to be garbage in mmo’s, so I don’t take part in this gamemode. But I do understand why it’s here. Even if I don’t like this gamemode and somewhat a waste of resources I understand why almost every mmo does this as it brings this particular player base into the game and helps feed the longevity of the game.

I also find most of these mini games like guild missions and SAB to be utter crap, but once again the resources used by Anet to fulfill these game modes is justified for the many players that love this content, and once again fulfilling the longevity of this game.

Costume brawl, I find extremely annoying especially due to the fact it’s allowed in major hubs w/the constant blam! Bang! Screaches! and other sound effects, but…other seem to enjoy it plenty.

Plushys, fur hats, sunglasses, beanies, all don’t bring anything to the immersion of the game as a whole.

The major complaint from many players that have left this game (I came w/a community of around 50, and is the only one still playing) are the tried and true mmo concepts that help build a successful game & community, not the niche crowd of no “we like the beta version best”.

We all know why the megaservers were brought into play, to rehash, servers and zones were ghost towns except for the top 3 and a few others during peak times, this was not due to success. Success for the community should not be dictated by gem store profits either.

I know quite a few gaming communities, guilds, and players that would give this game a shot again or for the first time if on top of the direction Anet has been on now added dueling, Raids for guild missions, mounts, races, and xpacs.

Save the NO’s for p2w features, not content in a game that at this point in time has great potential yet reached.

Having followed this thread since its begginings, I don’t see the arguments of dueling being connected to player retention and growth. Most of the arugments against have been of the nature of dueling being a major source or trolling and griefing that many players have experienced in other MMOs, citing RL examples. And the counter arguments, have been of the nature of there are plenty of other ways to grief/troll, and that the anti duelers are against it because they are selfish/noobs/anti fun.

As far as the player retention/growth discussion. I’ve seen several people who claim they will quit if PvE dueling is ever introduced. Some don’t care, and others will continue to play, but will be very liberal with the reporting button. If this discussion was truly about adding in PvE dueling as a player retention and growth mechanism, then it failed. People wouldn’t be threatening to quit simply because of the toxic atmosphere it can generate with the addition of such things. I’ve yet to see any evidence that the addition of PvE dueling (which is the main topic point, not the addition of other content) would result in greater player retention and player growth.

While PvE dueling may be a entertaining feature in many MMOs, it is important to note that this is NOT other MMOs. GW2 and Arena Net decided to take a completely different route in this game, breaking away from the Meta of MMOs and doing something different. Which is why features like dueling, player trading, raids, mounts, etc. were left out at the very beginning. It’s not what they wanted to do.

And the megserver roll out, while it is debatable as to the motivation behind it, only serves to make the game more social, which is one of their goals from the very beginning. The individual servers in PvE weren’t fulfilling that vision. So to use that as a measure of the success of GW2, really doesn’t work too well. Also the gem store sales. While they are promoting the gem store, and bringing in SOME income from it, (we don’t know how much, and how much is converted from gold) there is NOTHING in the gem store that is a must have in order to play ANY content. It’s mainly cosmetic and convience items. (yes there are some boosters and what not, but those can be found in game through food items, banners, etc.) So how well, or not well, the gem store may be doing, has no reflection on the success of the game at all.

And as I’ve seen it stated before: If there is one for vote, any against vote will negate it. Thats basically whats going on.

Hehe I haven’t seen a valid argument from either side. The pros just cry “I want it!”, “other MMOS have it”, “If you don’t like it gtfo!!” and the anti group is “NO!! It’ll hurt immersion and cause griefers!” “It’s dumb!!”,“If you don’t like it gtfo!”

Sadly, this thread is turning into a hater fest. Most of what I’ve seen is not discussion, but both parties bashing and abusing each other.

^ I agree.

However there are FEW reasons to open trade with another player. I’ve done it a few times with my guildies, but thats about it. Having a secure channel to do that would be redundant and useless. And there is the FACT that there WILL be scammers. In one way or another. And even though it may not be against the ToS, there will still be tickets by those players who have been scammed. And ANET will have to go through and investigate each one, as they crop up. Resulting in a much larger work load, sifting through legit claims, and not. Which of course is an increase of moeny spent on ANETs part. It’s just not worth it.

Muusic.2967:

pdavis.8031:

This should also have been posted in the game bugs thread in support. It will be moved there shorty.

A.K.A. Buried and forgotten.

And there it is…

Maybe, but it’s going to be moved there or to the megaserver thread. As with all other such threads.

I don’t have an issue with the models, NPC or otherwise. I would just like to be able to down/off particle effects. With large groups of people doing the bosses, it gets to be so much I can’t even see anything. Granted I don’t have the best computer, but the partical effects are just annoying, even IF I did have the best hardware available.

This should also have been posted in the game bugs thread in support. It will be moved there shorty.

It’s almost the the TSA appraoch to security. One or two people do somethig stupid, and they go so far overboard we now have to have xrays, body cavity searchs, and strip searches for having a water bottle with more than 3 oz. when going through security. It doesn’t make sense, and it a waste of time, money and other resources. An additional password, in game, would not only cause many other issues, as stated before, but be a HUGE immersion breaker and an annoyance. I need to check my bank to see how many of a certain item I have stored there, but wait, I now have to enter a password, wait for authentication, do a retenal scan, and kitten in a cup just to see I have 18 stacks of bloodstone dust. No. Just no.

Nice! Thanks for this! Although I can’t listen to the podcasts now as I’m at work, but I will check them out later!

Why do I keep following this thread? It’s all the same arguments over and over, both pro and anti dueling in PvE. It’s almost as this topic hasn’t been discussed to death 15,000 times already.

Hmmm, Maybe its just me, but I’ve never seen it…

Is the event stuck? or just no one doing it? I’ve found that there are many people waiting to do the final event for the temple, but not as much actually go out and do the pre events. The last time I did that temple run I found there was 50+ people waiting at the rally WP and asking repeatedly when it was supposed to start and what was going on. I was doing the northern invasion events with 2 other players. FOR THE ENTIRE CHAIN. We lost several times and had to do over, despite repeated calls for assitance for all the invasion events. There was only a few people doing these while the rest waited. I haven’t seen it “stuck” anywhere, and lots of people waiting for it to start, rather then jumping into the invasion events.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dessa

We don’t know exactly where Dessa affliations lie, but we do know she left the college and isn’t inquest, although she had friends there. And as Scott (dev) said, the fractals are in the past. However, that event does point out that there is technology that can be used to make a city based on a previous design. So maybe Rata Sum was built in the same style as the city in the fractal, using the same technology.

Hmm VERY interesting, thanks for the link! I know it’s been discussed before, and I’m bringing it back. But it seems the more I look into the history and lore, the more questions I have.

If it’s definetly NOT Rata Sum, then where is it? It doesn’t even look similar to Rata Pten, and it IS above ground. But the Asura have only been fully above ground, that we know of, for around 200 years. If Dessa recognizes it, could it be that it was another hidden city of the Asura, one that was never discovered, or talked about, as what had happened there was so terrible that no Asura would even dare think about it? Something even worse then Primordus awakening and driving them to the surface? And in hiding it away the removed every trace of it so it could never be discovered?

I just read this post and began to wonder about it myself.
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/84743-uncategorized-fractal-exploration-team-graveyard/

It would seem that if the mists touched all worlds, realities, and times past, present and future, and the fractals are just places within the mists. So that would mean that the uncatagorized fractal could either be in the future, the past, or a different reality altogether. But do the mists contain all possible futures? or a future based on the current reality of the present?

This fractal does look and feel alot like modern Rata Sum, and the Raving asura seems to be the remaining survivor of something really bad happening to Rata Sum. But that leaves the question of WHO the raving Asura is. It would be purely speculation though as there isn’t much lore around the fractals, that I can find anyway.

And why is the place filled with Harpies? Unless the legends of the Harpies is correct and they were servants of Dwayna and cast down from the heavens, and that event ALSO brought about the destruction of the Asuran city the fractal is set in.

We may never know, but as I’ve said before I enjoy speculation about such things…

I don’t know what you are talking about. I’ve run the dredge fractal many times all with PUG groups and almost never have issues with the plates. Granted it is generally on lower levels (I’m reward level 16) but still we’ve never had to have a thief or mesmer for stealth to do the plates part. We usually send someone up, guardian or myself, (valk warrior) to hold the first plate while everyone runs through, and again with the second one. The last part, the dps will kite and defend the others. Not really a big issue…

I’m glad it’s difficult, having fought teq BEFORE tequatls rising, it was easier than The Shatterer. Yes it does require coordination and communication. But thats what makes it better. If you have having difficulties, look online for strategies, work WITH the commanders, and do your part.

So I was thinking of how the legendary weapons fit in with the lore. It seems they are granted through the Mystic Forge by Zommoros. I’ve seen many people comment on how making a legendary weapon isn’t a “legendary” process, as you basically can farm gold for long enough to just buy the thing. But that doesn’t really fit into the lore. We do know that the weapons are granted by Zommoros. But we don’t know much about Zommoros. And thats fine. What we DO know about him, however, is that he likes to collect things, and in return will give us something “special” as he sees fit. So it is my thought, that we collect the various gifts, and these gifts are highly prized by him, and so in return he will grants us a special weapon based on the gifts that we present to him. These weapons, while not legendary in the sense that they are ancient and have done mighty deeds in the hands of their ancient wielders of old. (i.e. like Megdaer, or The Claw of Khan-ur), are of a greater power then the magical weapons found in Tyria today. But there are many copies of the weapons around, Twilight, Eternity, Bifrost, to name a few, so they can’t be unique. What I don’t get is how, lore wise, there can be many copies of the same “legendary” weapon running around. Unless Zommoros is magically creating these weapons upon receipt of the gifts he values so much, (and he is a Djinn, so that is possible) I am confused about how all of this ties into the lore. Any thoughts?

You can always get Obsidian shards with them. They are needed for crafting Ascended armor, and for legendaries

oooo hadn’t considered that…that could be interesting

Shiren.9532:

Why would LA need the Zephyrites help? It’s not like the surviving citizens have a whole lot to do these days, what else are they going to do? Lion’s Arch was also one of (if not the) largest trading capitals in Tyria so its former residents are either very resource rich or have the connection to many resources flowing throughout Tyria, it wouldn’t make sense for the rebuilding of Lion’s Arch to require resources from people like the Zephyrites when the city is supposed to have trade systems set up with many other groups across Tyria. Lion’s Arch was the only place in Tyria with an asura gate leading to all five racial cities, what could the Zephyrites offer Lion’s Arch that the city couldn’t get via rebuilding the asura gates and trading with the five major races? It’s gotta be more efficient to load up a dolyak and walk it through a gate rather than fly Zephyrite ships all around the place. What’s in it for the Zephyrites that they aren’t already getting that is worth the risk?

About the gates. Although it’s a game mechanic for players to use the gates for free. In the lore, there is a charge for using the gates, and an additional charge for the amount of cargo passing through. The gates require a large amount of energy to operate, and a large expense and effort to change the destination of the gates. I can’t see trains of dolyaks wandering through Rata Sum, or Ebonhawk. Ebonhawk is only recently freed from the siege of Charr, but still plagued by sepratists and renegade Charr. Any large amounts of movement into Ebonhawk is sure to hindered by these parties. Hoelbrak and The Grove shouldn’t be too much of an issue, but Divinities Reach would also pose the same logistical issues as Ebonhawk and Rata Sum. So that leaves Hoelbrak and The Grove as the only viable means of supplying materials to rebuild. The Zephyrites on the other hand, in accordance with their desire for peace, would be a much better alternative for supply. They could, and probably would, deliver supplies gratis to LA in the interests of peace. The other cities, not only have the logistical issues, but dangers outside as well. Centaurs and Bandits, Sons of Svanir, creatures and what not. Although it would be a good idea as an in game mechanic to defend the supply trains as they travel to LA, much like the supply dolyak events in WvW, it doesn’t make much sense. Where as the Zephyrites can travel more quickly, and safely, to and from any location.

Shiren.9532:

Why would anyone recognise the Captain’s Council any more? They proved to be incompetent in the last few releases. If you were going to rebuild anything, why not start fresh and abandon the old “leadership” that proved they couldn’t do their jobs properly? The Captain’s Council seems to be a redundant legacy from a different time, Lion’s Arch doesn’t thrive off of Captain’s and ships (at least not from what I’ve see), so it’s bizarre that to have a say in Lion’s Arch politicals you need to own a ship (what a silly requirement). Trade seems to be the most important industry in Lion’s Arch these days, an alliance of traders are personally invested in protecting the city and are constantly personally accountable for the best interests of the city. Traders are aware of what puts their products at risk and are willing to do what needs to be done to protect it, if they aren’t they fail as traders. An incompetent trader doesn’t stay wealthy for long. It also makes it clearer why the city would fund the Lionguard on the roads to the city. The Consortium, the BLTC, the Tengu and a few other racial representatives could form an interesting group of leaders.

If Lion’s Arch is rebuilt, I hope one of the first steps is to abandon the Captain’s Council.

The requirement to have a ship to be on the council is a matter of tradition. With the rising of Orr, LA was destroyed in the great tidal wave that followed. The ruins of the original city were salvaged by pirates, smugglers, and other independant ships. It would make sense with a largely independant group of people, mostly sea faring folks, trying to develop a system of government to have a requirement of being the captain of a ship to have a place on the council.

^
That would be epic!! And morgan freeman as the pc voice would be even better!!

Wow, didnt even considerbthe centaurs..that is interesting though

Its a hint for the next ls story. Invaders from the mists. The mursaat are returning, bringing the forgotten and a hidden remnant of dwarves with them. But they are all in league with mord, and the dsd. Its reaveled that queen jeanna is actually the leader of the white mantle and that the white mantle is actually the true followers of the six gods, who are returning to punish all the unbelievers.

It would be a major policitical issue, but that’s what makes it interesting.

^
Very true, but I still find the Inane chatter amusing

Oh…dragonite, fragments and dust. Ibthought you were talking about the regualr t6 mats. I was wondering why you weren’t selling them and making mad amounts of cash, or making legendaries. Yeah everyone has a bunch and nothing to do with them. Yet.

NewTrain.7549:

Here, you all want dueling so bad, I’ve got your solution.

Gem Store Item – 800 gems – Dueling Flag: Use issues a challenge to selected other player in possession of a dueling flag. If used on a player without a dueling flag, there is no effect and your dueling flag goes on a 15 sec cooldown. May not be used in instances, sPvP, or WvW.

I said the same thing a few pages back :P no one wants to discuss possinle solutions, just hate on each other

I don’t know about soulbound. When I bought mine, pre patch, they were accountbound already…

I know that the topic of rebuilding Lions Arch has been touched upon in various other threads, but I can’t find one dedicated it. We do know that LA will be rebuilt one way or another, it wouldn’t make sense storywise to leave it a pile of ruins. Its been speculated that the Zehyrites could have a hand in it, and that the next Dragon Bash could be a kick off for the rebuilding. We don’t really have much, beyond speculation, as to how it’s going to come about. Here are some ideas I’ve been tossing around.

The Pact: With the “newly” formed Pact, they could take over LA and rebuild it as a new headquarters. A central place from which to conduct their investigations and coordinate attack and defense of the Elder Dragons. Being rebuilt with much better defenses, it would become a fortified city, a stronghold against the Dragons in days to come.

The powers that be: The leaders of the major races decide to come together to build a place where the different races can truly live together. The humans, Charr, Norn, Asura, and the Silvari have elected to build one city that reflects and embraces the difference between the races. This city would be independant of any nation, and ruled by a council of elected officials from each of those nations. After the rise of the Elder Dragons, and the chaos and destruction wrought by Scarlet, the leaders of Tyria realize that only through cooperation between ALL of its peoples is the only way for either of them to survive. This city would be the first major step toward that goal, and a sign to all people that the races CAN work together.

The Black Lion Trading Company: The BLTC decides to rebuild LA as a form of a giant market place, and central location. Having lost one of their major tading posts, they seek to rebuild it, this time, not as an agency operating within confines of the local government, but establishing themselves AS the local government. Being free to conduct business without taxes and interferance, they seek to expand their reach even more into the world, and hope to be able to reach the far off lands such as Cantha and Elona. Having a central powerbase such things would not be out of reach.

The Captains Council: The Captains Council remains in power in LA, and rises from the ashes. Although nowhere close to it’s former glory, the ruins are rebuilt, and the council can excersise more control over the city, and increase their own power. The city remains a melting pot of the nations, and the council grows fatter with new taxes and new laws as they seek ultimate control over LA and it’s destiny.

These are just a few of my ideas. Would love to hear yours!

True, but it IS a central hub for trade. But whether or not they decide to put down roots, I still believe they can be an integral part in the reconstruction. And leaving an agent on the ground, doesn’t mean that the whole of them stop being sky nomads, just having a permenent “store” to be able to conduct trade better.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

pdavis.8031:

It would make sense for the Zephyites to assist in rebuilding LA as per their treaty, but also as a way to form a more permenent trade agreement, as well as an outpost to conduct business from. Plus it would serve as competition for the BLTC. There are many factions who would stand to gain much by assisting in the rebuilding of LA.

As far as their usefulness in the project. I think they could be VERY valuable. They have access to many resources, and the speed of transportation. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them as a major part in the next LS and the rebuilding of LA.

Again, where would they have resources from? Wood and rock both require land, and the Zephyrites stick to the sky. Creating a permanent would also be against their interests- the entire reason they have a flying sanctum is so that they can stay away from conflicts on the ground, so creating a permanent tie to a place that draws trouble like a corpse draws flies would be ridiculous.

True, while they do stick to the sky, and not likely stockpiled such things, they CAN buy and trade for them from the various peoples they do business with. It’s not far fetched to consider that if they are undertaking a MAJOR project in rebuilding LA that they would actively seek out such materials. Or at the very least, hire themselves out as transport for those very goods that others have aquired for the rebuilding. And having invested, in one way or another, in the rebuilding of LA they could easily justify leaving an agent on the ground. And while the OLD LA was built largly by pirates, I would think that the NEW LA would be completly different, both in culture and construction, and would be more accepting of a Zephyrite presence on a permenent basis.

Shadey Dancer.2907:

This rears its head periodically>>.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Subscription-based-Guild-Wars-2/first

This and the mounts and the PvE dueling threads. These types of threads eventually die out then get resurrected after they move back the the 7-8 page because no one bothers to look that far back :P

It would make sense for the Zephyites to assist in rebuilding LA as per their treaty, but also as a way to form a more permenent trade agreement, as well as an outpost to conduct business from. Plus it would serve as competition for the BLTC. There are many factions who would stand to gain much by assisting in the rebuilding of LA.

As far as their usefulness in the project. I think they could be VERY valuable. They have access to many resources, and the speed of transportation. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them as a major part in the next LS and the rebuilding of LA.

Fafnir.5124:

WoW only successes was because it had little competition and that only happened cause they sued Anet and prevented GW2 from coming out for 5 years.

I think most complaints/anger of GW can be directed towards WoW and the stupid law suit. Cant believe they cant counter sue for deformation of brand product or something.

Umm, when did this happen? I can’t find any information on it, and any responses about delays from the devs were to say that the game was NOT delayed: http://kotaku.com/5155092/arenanet-there-is-no-guild-wars-2-delay
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/guild_wars_2_2010_delay_not_accurate_says_arenanet

I’m not trying to bash you and say you’re wrong, just curious. Stuff like that I find interesting.

saye.9304:

1. The State of the Game was a thing organized by GW2 Guru, so your complaints should go to them. It’s not like ArenaNet stopped making previews of new content and balancing.
2. Which gamebreaking bugs are you talking about? Because if they’re not literally gamebreaking, bug fixing isn’t top priority.
3. We just come off the end of Living Story with implications of a Dragon waking in Maguuma and you’re still complaining? They have said over and over again that Living Story might give them a way of implementing expansion-like content without actually having to sell expansion boxes.
4. You can always ask, doesn’t mean you’ll receive. You might want an expansion, but there are entire communities (large guilds, sPvP, WvW) that want something other than an expansion pack.

on 1: state of the game is official explanation on what is future plans for the game. for example: rift announce patch 3.0 is a expansion number 2, no detail but people know it is coming, same goes for wow,and other games if u want to know whats going on in mmo world check mmorpg.com to understand what state of the game means.
on 2: let give you example of bugs happening right now, jungle wurm bugged , megadestroyer bugged and no one knows when they will be fixed. and because you have low standard you would say its ok not big deal, i know your kind already.
on 3: over and over again? only colin johanson said once that they are not sure how to introduce an expansion, it might be through traditional box, it might be through living story or even through gem store. would you link the source of that over and over again so all of us can see it too.
on 4: oh really you already know what entire community want and it is not expansion then what they want??
you sound like fanboy with incorrect info. tell your stuff to people who do not know the game.

As as I can tell:
1 The state of the game has been released by gw2guru, and is seperate commentary on annoucnements made by ANET. No where does it state that anything that gw2guru puts out is the offical explanation on the future of the game. Mmorpg is the same way. Yes they both can be considered authoritive, as its written by people who have experience is such things, but it’s not “Official”. The only offical information we have is the announcments, comments, and interviews with the devs. The only thing I’ve seen from Anet concerning the state of the game is what they’ve released on guildwars2.com, the only offical web site.

2 Which bugs in those things are you refering to? I haven’t experienced any bugs with those bosses. Is it truly a bug? or just broken mechanics? Two very different things.

3 Can’t really comment on this, as I’ve never really watched, or read any dev interviews.

4 It’s a matter of persepective. Many people would want a permenent expansion, while many do not, and would rather they just continue on and improve the living story. It depends on who you are talking to at the time. There have been several threads about it, many for and many against, but it’s difficult to say either way.

krooton.8035:

because of the sub I felt I HAD to play, rather than play when I wanted too. Once it got to large guild raids, things started to feel more like a second job than a game, and I was paying to work that job.

I feel the same way about sub games. Although I haven’t played a sub game to date* (I’m cheap) I can’t justify the cost if/when I want to take a break. I’ve been able to take breaks on GW2 simply BECAUSE it wasn’t a P2P game. GW2 is a VERY casual game, and a large part of that is due to a lack of a sub. I’m a casual player, with a family, and a life OUTSIDE of the game, there are times when I can’t play for a period of time. If they did introduce a sub, it would go from a casual game to something more “hardcore”. And I just don’t have the time/engery for that. I’m sure I’m not the only one in that situation either. But having a sub or not doesn’t always equal better content. It largly depends on the game, the player base, and the devs. I feel that GW2 has come out with some awesome content, although not permenent like many people want, and having it be all for free is a HUGE selling point to many current players, as well as drawing in new players. It’s one of the reasons I got the game to begin with. Throwing in a sub now wouldn’t work, and more then likely be detrimental to the game overall.

*I did play the free 30-day trial on “the game which shall not be named” as well as one of the free servers available for a brief period of time. It still had this feeling that I HAD to play. I stopped because I didn’t much care for how the game played. WAY too much grinding for my taste. But thats an entirely different matter.

What about making it a tag bought from the gem store? You would only be able to send a request to duel to someone else who had a tag. That way non duelers wouldn’t be effected by being spammed with duel requests and trolled, and duelers would be able to have their duels. The tag would only have x amount of charges depending on gem costs, or 1000-1500 gems for a permenent one. Trolls spamming map chat for duels, and trolling people would still be subjected to blocking and reporting, but the tag will eliminate many of the causes for griefing, and help minimize chat spams. Also include an option to turn it off if activated, that way those duelers not actively seeking a duel don’t have to be harassed.

sorudo.9054:

hint: not everyone completed the PS, even ppl who played the game from day one so zhaitan is technically still alive.

It was explained to me that the open world is basically frozen in time, in open world the year is 1325, in the story, LW and PS, it’s progressed to 1327. So that would explain the continued corruption of Orr, Tequatl, and other things. It’s called the Personal Story, as time and the story line advance for each player, yet the world around them, with the exception of the Living World, continues, to an extent, to remain the same. Thats why you can repeat the same event over and over, or kill the same boss time and time again.

That actually makes sense! Thanks!

Brother Dulfite.5793:

I committed to marrying my fiance and loving her alone the rest of my life.

Good luck with that… :P

(j/k grats bro!)

Warlord.9074:

In reality there is nothing hardcore about using a computer. Kids these days.

It is if you built your computer from scratch, using nothing but parts scavenged from Walkmans, HAM radios, and Teddy Ruxbin dolls. :P

I’m confused. If Tequatl is actually dead, why do we still fight him? I can understand from a mechanical stand point. It would be a bad idea to remove a major world boss, but lore/Living world perspective, it doesn’t make sense. Unless that it’s not the same Tequatl, but Tequatl being a term for a LT of Zhaitan, and although we killed one, there are many that return.

Lightsbane.9012:

that’s just it. the story. zhaitain’s been dead a long time in the guild wars 2 universe. we killed him probably a month after launch. so that means orr should be being rebuilt, but it’s not. killing zhaitain was supposed to be …lasting, wasn’kitten why is orr left completely out of living story events? why can a city like lion’s arch be leveled for months now from a sub-plot. but orr, the main plot, can’t be …de-zombified? WoW did one thing right, when a boss like zhaitan is killed, the content flow moves on and acknowledges it.

Thats just it. Although Zhaitan has been defeated, his power seems to remain. Cleansing Orr creates some major issues with new players and continuity. The personal story wouldn’t make any sense, new players coming into Orr wouldn’t find it desolate and ravaged, but begining to heal, which doesn’t line up with that part of the story. Tequatl, his champion, is still hanging around, which doesn’t make sense if his master is dead. But thats a whole other story. Basically they would have to continue on the with PS, which wouldn’t be a bad idea at all.

Edit: More on why Orr cannot be cleansed
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/lore/lore/Consumption-of-Zhaitan/first#post3996372

Wait, if Zhaitan is really dead, why is his champion, tequatl, still hanging around? We continually defeat him, and he runs off, but without his master, it’s only a matter of time before we finally kill him. Zhaitan is no longer “fueling” him, and he got stronger AFTER the death of Zhaitan. So if Z really is dead, then whats going on with Teq? Did the DSD take him as a champ? or is Z only feigning his death, only slowly gathering his strength once again while appearing to be dead…

I agree with some points. yes, permanent content would be a plus. If not that then at least the ability to replay the LS events. I missed several of them, and although I can read back and follow the story, its not the same and you miss out on a lot. The ending: the personal story was anticlimactic at best, but after that there was supposed to be the living story, which is a great concept, but there was no feeling that I actually accomplished something major and important at the end of the PS. looking back on it, it seemed that for the most part the PC is just there, watching it all happen. Its like Indiana jones and the raiders of the lost ark. He really didnt need to be there and events would have played out the same.

All that being said, I still really enjoy the game, the LS, the DEs, etc. Just feel like “something was missing”

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What he said. Although it is more of a ego thing than anything, and in no way woupld prepare someone who is familiar with pve be prepared for pvp, as its a whole different ball game, its just another reason for haters to hate. Whether on the forums against anti dualers, and vica versa, or in game against those wanting to dual and trolling others that dont.

Except in a few instances I cant see dualing lore supported anyway. The whole game (pve) is built around all the races banding together to stop the elder dragons. Human and charr, the two races that hate each other the most, have largely put aside their differences and are working together. The idea of dualing goes against that, even ascalonians and kyrtans, more hated enemies, are now living and working together. With the idea of all the peoples banding together, dualing each other doesn’t fit in. Whether or not its fun and people enjoy it is not the question, but the current state of Tyria doesnt allow for it. Thats why it wasnt put in at the beginning, and pvp and wvw were created for that end.