Guild Wars 2

Thief sneezed, had to respawn.

Bristleback looked at me, had to run off point.

Now burning people with fire aura spam on Sage amulet because people don’t have allies to cleanse conditions anymore.

All hail the condition meta.

I am extremely salty about removing team play amulets from a team play game.

What a joke.

What’s the point of team builds in a team game? lets all just run kittenin condition builds now yay.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

+1

I need this for my female charr. I can only imagine how epic RPing would be in towns….

Neftex.7594:

you clearly have no insight, your ranger build with blocks is useless, traps are unblockable
sic em requires target afaik so that wont help you either
pets surely attack stealthed players, oh wait

trapper thief doesnt need shadow refuge so good luck with that

youve offered nothing and claimed to beat trapper thieves, which after reading your bs i dont trust at all

I did say it was a joke ranger build, and it’s about as useful in WvW as a trapper thief.

I’ve seen plenty use shadow refuge, just because you might not doesn’t mean that others don’t. I also offered more than just what to do IF shadow refuge was used.

Pet’s don’t attack stealthed players and I never said they did, what they do is proc all the traps or passively remove all the conditions just like a Minion Mancer would.

I offered basic advice to beat most trapper thieves or move past them safely, you indicated earlier you play a trapper thief so maybe that’s why you sound a little snarky now?

Neftex.7594:

sephiroth.4217:

Offair.2563:

sephiroth.4217:

Offair.2563:

sephiroth.4217:

Offair.2563:

Inoki.6048:

Offair.2563:

Yea it is a joke and yea it is a kittenty build to kill but cmon that’s not the point. The point is ….. being INVISIBLE THE ENTIRE FIGHT WHILE DISHING OUT DAMAGE.

No class/build should ever be allowed to do that.

Sorry to break it to you man, but both you and OP seem to be overfrustrated.

1) thief is supposed to be deadly. It’s an assassin. I died many times to them, yer, but what I’m more concerned about is their teleport, not their condi/fast kills.
2) OP, sorry to say but you don’t know how to counter a thief. I play one, I play against all sorts of characters, even condi thieves, I simply know what to do to survive and you obviously do not.

Both of you and everyone else complaining about something that is in absolute order – learn from your mistakes. It is very possible to survive a thief that drops condis on you. An Engi can do it with area reveal. A ranger has Sick’Em. Ele’s, Guards and others have condi cleanse.

What is your problem again?

My problem is people like you not getting the point. No class should be able to do damage while staying in stealth, is that SO hard to understand?? I know how to counter em and will remain doing that, thats not the problem.

Lets go back to people hacking under maps killing you while being invisible, maybe you get the point then.

So an Engie can’t stack burns then use stealth Gyro then, or a mes can’t shatter bomb and abuse stealth while waiting on CD…

Other classes can do what you’re asking thief not to do. Other classes can do it better too.

If you know how to counter them, you wouldn’t be roid raging on the forum about it.

“So an Engie can’t stack burns THEN use stealth Gyro” -

You already said it yourself, to stack the burns he has to be visible THEN use a stealth gyro. Unlike ghost teef who can STAY in stealth while throwing out condition damage.

Edit: Read up on what Chorazin said. And do some comprehensive reading please.

You said specifically “No class should be able to do damage while staying in stealth, is that SO hard to understand??”

Stacking burns in under a second, say 13 stacks then using stealth gyro and sitting in stealth while watching your enemy burn at 4k a tick until they die is exactly what you’re saying shouldn’t happen.

You’re complaining that a thief put a needle trap on you say 10 times just to get you down, that was a good 4 or more minutes that you must have been trying to fight the person, spamming auto attack on 5 stacks of confusion.

People have offered very simple and basic counters that a 10 year old could follow and achieve but apparently it’s still too hard.

Try stacking said burns on engi while BEING stealthed. You still dont read. Nevermind.

I feel stupid now thinking people on forums do comprehensive reading.

No, I read it fine, your English is somewhat lacking.

Now you’ve changed your statement to “stack while BEING in stealth”… No I can’t do that, I can stack off 13 burns in under a second then stealth and have the same effect.

I chase trapper thieves, all my builds have condition clears and people have offered advice to help but it’s easier to cry on the forums.

Here is one of my joke ranger pet builds in the pic, that can beat trapper thieves.

im curious, how do you beat trapper thief with that ranger build?

also since were talking trapper thieves and perma stealth, it implies applying condis while stealthed through the whole fight so..

i messaged beepboop ingame few days ago to try to arrange some fights but hes probably NA since i havent seen him online during the times i played
(and just like the rest of people defending this build, probably never met decent player using it)

im not great but i feel i could beat most of the people claiming “it cant kill good player like me”

i think builds that can survive this, arent actual threat to it and well the rest of the builds die to it so yea fun stuff

Honestly I think the thief was bad but who knows because I somehow manage to kill a few people with this build and it seems this thread has caused more trapper thieves to appear on the field who by default are not as good as those who have played the build longer.

Its bunker gear, stacked with passives and blacks and evasions… The pets do everything after I give them might stacks. If anyone else likes to have a laugh then feel free to have a look, have to be sylvari though

I don’t think it has anything to do with being a decent player (im horrible lol), but against a trapper thief it has everything to do with condi removal and making the right choices at the right times and learning from mistakes.

Like say if you play Mes, wait for the shadow refuge and use gs5 then burst for 2 seconds leaving the 3rd second for your dazes and stuns because that thief is most likely waiting for reveal to come off him and would be ready to spam another stealth skill.
Warriors have Stomp, Fear Me and Hammer 4.. (prob more I dont war much anymore)
Rev/Engie have reveals.
Ranger has sic em + tonnes of condi removal.
Necro has marks from staff
DH has longbow 5, traps

List could go on really… Can’t say much for power thief builds other than walk away, I’m still learning how to survive a moa attack on that class.

fighting in stealth you gotta keep in mind the thief is usually next to you aswell, he needs to be ontop of you to lay the trap on you, so if you just get hit by a needle trap, most likely it was his utility skill which is on the shortest trap CD there is, 24s. That gives you 24 seconds to wipe your conditions and kill his Ambush trap thief off which is most likely his main source of direct damage. (some run trap others run thieves guild, either way kill off the adds)…

Now the thief only has heal left and depending on how well he used his cooldowns he could have up to 15 seconds before being able to apply his “burst” again, he could disengage or he could hang around and pester, if he pesters use that time to damage him and reassert your position for him, this time you know he’s coming though and from your previous fight you should have learnt how the thief likes to move or at what times he prefers to use skills….

I’m not defending the build, I’ve offered the opposite and that’s how to counter it with the basics. A bit more detailed than “condi cleanse” and “walk away” now but I don’t mind.

I JUST WANT PREVIEW TO SHOW EFFECTS ON ARMOR WHEN USING JUGGERNAUT!

Armor looks awsome, happy with look, pull out juggernaut, all metal and ugly, colours messed up.

Try again.

20 charges later, give up.

Heibi.4251:

Mushin.3928:

Wat. They make the game and work on it every day, they can play the game and claim stuff just like anybody else. Its not unprofessional – its the opposite, since it shows that they have an interest in the game.

Apparently no one understands what professionalism and favoritism is these days.

The Devs are there to make sure the game is played correctly by players and that they don’t abuse each other. They can participate in every aspect of the game. However, favoring one server over another and “making a statement for a server” shows lack of professionalism and favoritism.

We have to be able to trust the admin of this game to be a neutral party.

There is no favouritism. There is only a choice. A choice of which server to play on.

24 servers? Doesn’t matter which one they play on, if it’s not yours then it’s favouritism yes?

As for the guild, I’m pretty sure it was cleared up about 3 years ago that the Anet guild is somewhat similar to a friends list where fellow employees can not also work together but play together.

If they weren’t in their own guild and were in various other player created guilds, would you then claim they favor those guilds and players?

If they played WvW as “neutral”, who is then their ally or enemy? how do they play the game as neutral in WvW?

The point is, in order to play the game like everyone else can, the very game they created, they HAVE too pick a server to play on.

(Before Megaservers people actually guested to various home worlds to speak to devs standing in LA before every reset, no one ever thought that was favouritism… We even guested to your server HoD to do it because I remember that [WvW] guild with Server Police always standing around spamming stuff in map chat)

Offair.2563:

sephiroth.4217:

Offair.2563:

sephiroth.4217:

Offair.2563:

Inoki.6048:

Offair.2563:

Yea it is a joke and yea it is a kittenty build to kill but cmon that’s not the point. The point is ….. being INVISIBLE THE ENTIRE FIGHT WHILE DISHING OUT DAMAGE.

No class/build should ever be allowed to do that.

Sorry to break it to you man, but both you and OP seem to be overfrustrated.

1) thief is supposed to be deadly. It’s an assassin. I died many times to them, yer, but what I’m more concerned about is their teleport, not their condi/fast kills.
2) OP, sorry to say but you don’t know how to counter a thief. I play one, I play against all sorts of characters, even condi thieves, I simply know what to do to survive and you obviously do not.

Both of you and everyone else complaining about something that is in absolute order – learn from your mistakes. It is very possible to survive a thief that drops condis on you. An Engi can do it with area reveal. A ranger has Sick’Em. Ele’s, Guards and others have condi cleanse.

What is your problem again?

My problem is people like you not getting the point. No class should be able to do damage while staying in stealth, is that SO hard to understand?? I know how to counter em and will remain doing that, thats not the problem.

Lets go back to people hacking under maps killing you while being invisible, maybe you get the point then.

So an Engie can’t stack burns then use stealth Gyro then, or a mes can’t shatter bomb and abuse stealth while waiting on CD…

Other classes can do what you’re asking thief not to do. Other classes can do it better too.

If you know how to counter them, you wouldn’t be roid raging on the forum about it.

“So an Engie can’t stack burns THEN use stealth Gyro” -

You already said it yourself, to stack the burns he has to be visible THEN use a stealth gyro. Unlike ghost teef who can STAY in stealth while throwing out condition damage.

Edit: Read up on what Chorazin said. And do some comprehensive reading please.

You said specifically “No class should be able to do damage while staying in stealth, is that SO hard to understand??”

Stacking burns in under a second, say 13 stacks then using stealth gyro and sitting in stealth while watching your enemy burn at 4k a tick until they die is exactly what you’re saying shouldn’t happen.

You’re complaining that a thief put a needle trap on you say 10 times just to get you down, that was a good 4 or more minutes that you must have been trying to fight the person, spamming auto attack on 5 stacks of confusion.

People have offered very simple and basic counters that a 10 year old could follow and achieve but apparently it’s still too hard.

Try stacking said burns on engi while BEING stealthed. You still dont read. Nevermind.

I feel stupid now thinking people on forums do comprehensive reading.

No, I read it fine, your English is somewhat lacking.

Now you’ve changed your statement to “stack while BEING in stealth”… No I can’t do that, I can stack off 13 burns in under a second then stealth and have the same effect.

I chase trapper thieves, all my builds have condition clears and people have offered advice to help but it’s easier to cry on the forums.

Here is one of my joke ranger pet builds in the pic, that can beat trapper thieves.

Anet plays WvW from time to time, it’s a good thing and not a bad thing.

We need them to play WvW to make relevant WvW fixes.

It’s also good to spike Anet tags.

I finally managed to almost be apart of a raid but I was booted from the group because my DPS was only 7-9k….

What do I need to get my DPS too before it’s “acceptable”???

I would rather use Rev as it’s fully ascended/legendary gear but maybe someone could help me with my build?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vlAQNAW8un3guNSuQ7JRboVlsP0rS4IaWJ4EdskFNFyegJshsh5MtptABoBA-TxRBABFt/Alq/gnuBKuIAmpEEgnAwVK/IFQELjA-e

Offair.2563:

sephiroth.4217:

Offair.2563:

Inoki.6048:

Offair.2563:

Yea it is a joke and yea it is a kittenty build to kill but cmon that’s not the point. The point is ….. being INVISIBLE THE ENTIRE FIGHT WHILE DISHING OUT DAMAGE.

No class/build should ever be allowed to do that.

Sorry to break it to you man, but both you and OP seem to be overfrustrated.

1) thief is supposed to be deadly. It’s an assassin. I died many times to them, yer, but what I’m more concerned about is their teleport, not their condi/fast kills.
2) OP, sorry to say but you don’t know how to counter a thief. I play one, I play against all sorts of characters, even condi thieves, I simply know what to do to survive and you obviously do not.

Both of you and everyone else complaining about something that is in absolute order – learn from your mistakes. It is very possible to survive a thief that drops condis on you. An Engi can do it with area reveal. A ranger has Sick’Em. Ele’s, Guards and others have condi cleanse.

What is your problem again?

My problem is people like you not getting the point. No class should be able to do damage while staying in stealth, is that SO hard to understand?? I know how to counter em and will remain doing that, thats not the problem.

Lets go back to people hacking under maps killing you while being invisible, maybe you get the point then.

So an Engie can’t stack burns then use stealth Gyro then, or a mes can’t shatter bomb and abuse stealth while waiting on CD…

Other classes can do what you’re asking thief not to do. Other classes can do it better too.

If you know how to counter them, you wouldn’t be roid raging on the forum about it.

“So an Engie can’t stack burns THEN use stealth Gyro” -

You already said it yourself, to stack the burns he has to be visible THEN use a stealth gyro. Unlike ghost teef who can STAY in stealth while throwing out condition damage.

Edit: Read up on what Chorazin said. And do some comprehensive reading please.

You said specifically “No class should be able to do damage while staying in stealth, is that SO hard to understand??”

Stacking burns in under a second, say 13 stacks then using stealth gyro and sitting in stealth while watching your enemy burn at 4k a tick until they die is exactly what you’re saying shouldn’t happen.

You’re complaining that a thief put a needle trap on you say 10 times just to get you down, that was a good 4 or more minutes that you must have been trying to fight the person, spamming auto attack on 5 stacks of confusion.

People have offered very simple and basic counters that a 10 year old could follow and achieve but apparently it’s still too hard.

I do it all the time but only to people who 4v1 me and laugh or jump….

I switch to thief or Mes then hunt that person from map to map until they log off, poor guys aren’t even bronze soldiers but bad sportsmanship encourages bad sportsmanship and it’s sooooooooo satisfying to know you can toy with someone who was just gloating about winning a 4v1….

I don’t like weakness since HoT….

Weakness affects power builds, halves the damage, reduces endurance regain. Having weakness trying to hit someone with protection (and there is a lot of protection and weakness spam) it’s a further 33% decrease in damage.

The power build put in power, precision and ferocity and is only doing 500 damage on hit….
The condition build put in toughness, condi and vitality… stacked a few burns and watched it melt through protection while weakness not having any effect.

If weakness and protection worked against conditions, then condition builds might actually require timing on skill usage instead of using what ever is off CD.

From experience don’t do it.

About a year or so ago I stopped P2P trading after I apparently traded with a gold seller even though I was building a legendary with him.

You never know who people are on the internet…

GROMIT.7829:

sephiroth.4217:

If it’s one of those pewpew longbow staff druids, ignore them and bore them off map like you would to perplex thieves and mesmers.

Roaming is dying due to these troll builds and the lack of entertainment in fighting them.

Well if we can collectively agree to not fight them and make sure they know why then they’ll just give up no the builds if they want fights.

Not sure where my post went lol….

I’m just salty when I roam now compared to before HoT all I’m seeing is condition stealth spammers or longbow heroes from a tower 1500 range away or even in small groups it’s just stack a minute of quickness and 11111111 people to death… Those are the people that fight, the rest just port or run kite.

My guild is level 9 on it’s way to the +5 supply again after HoT, similar situation, small guild since release.

We only have 2 active players since HoT was released.

I’m guessing you may be older like myself, have work and maybe kids so you don’t want to “grind” just to have a guild again to enjoy the game so my advice would be put money into the gemstore and see if anyone in the SW is able to help out by selling shovels.

When it comes to getting Favor, do the simple ones like PvP/WvW… Make a post in map chat asking if anyone would like to help (usually someone wants commendations)

It might also be worth treating it like a side project and join another guild in the mean time, it will give you a chance to see which guild hall you prefer.

Throwing siege on people and /sit/sit/sit always worked for me.

I usually just say thanks for the banner….

Stacking as much MF as possible when farming feels like it makes a difference, but I’m not looking for an item with a drop rate .00002%…. Rares do me fine.

I think some boons just need a hard cap such as quickness… 10s should be enough of hard cap, stacking quickness to a minute or more shouldn’t be allowed.

Same goes for resistance.

Those 2 boons are just way too strong.

(it also doesn’t need a skill group to pull off)

I use cruelty on my D/D Daredevil mixed with No Quarter trait from Critical strikes line…

(No Quarter is +250 ferocity increase)

I would love signs and signs with messages….

This again….

I’m abandoning ForestNifhel games from now on

Offair.2563:

Inoki.6048:

Offair.2563:

Yea it is a joke and yea it is a kittenty build to kill but cmon that’s not the point. The point is ….. being INVISIBLE THE ENTIRE FIGHT WHILE DISHING OUT DAMAGE.

No class/build should ever be allowed to do that.

Sorry to break it to you man, but both you and OP seem to be overfrustrated.

1) thief is supposed to be deadly. It’s an assassin. I died many times to them, yer, but what I’m more concerned about is their teleport, not their condi/fast kills.
2) OP, sorry to say but you don’t know how to counter a thief. I play one, I play against all sorts of characters, even condi thieves, I simply know what to do to survive and you obviously do not.

Both of you and everyone else complaining about something that is in absolute order – learn from your mistakes. It is very possible to survive a thief that drops condis on you. An Engi can do it with area reveal. A ranger has Sick’Em. Ele’s, Guards and others have condi cleanse.

What is your problem again?

My problem is people like you not getting the point. No class should be able to do damage while staying in stealth, is that SO hard to understand?? I know how to counter em and will remain doing that, thats not the problem.

Lets go back to people hacking under maps killing you while being invisible, maybe you get the point then.

So an Engie can’t stack burns then use stealth Gyro then, or a mes can’t shatter bomb and abuse stealth while waiting on CD…

Other classes can do what you’re asking thief not to do. Other classes can do it better too.

If you know how to counter them, you wouldn’t be roid raging on the forum about it.

Boogiepop Void.6473:

Guild Halls are far too big. You have an area almost as big as Auric Basin and there is almost nothing in it. Yes, we also need crafting stations, maybe a mystic forge, mini games and other stuff like that. But we just plain need a more sensibly sized space.

I like how big the guild hall is… Gliding! and Immense Lion statues for everyone!

I’m not afraid of HoT, I’m afraid of the grind it brought with it… (still unlocking my character elites to over 20 characters through WvW)

Maybe if I still wasn’t trying to grind out class mechanics I could probably enjoy HoT a lot more outside of building guild decorations.

And some animals and grass patches please.

Hi all,

I’ve done a quick google search and asked in game but I can’t seem to find an option to preview guild decorations without using google images, can anyone help me out with an ingame solution please if one exists?

Thankyou.

Neftex.7594:

sephiroth.4217:

I tried out trapper thief last night after all the rage posts… It’s horrible.

The only people I managed to kill were the ones who wanted to chase, I was able to troll a group really well with heals and stealth (shaman/apoth gear) but I never came close to killing any of them, it was purely a game of cat and mouse.

so because youre bad with it, everyone else is too, i see…

as a necro all my cleanses have cast time and can be interrupted by thief or even completely avoided (staff 4)

i dont understand how people keep defending this build

Hey sweet heart <3

I never said I was good or bad with the build, I said I tried the build and it was horrible… (I usually play zerkerish)

Just a comparison.

I got 3 in the same week, 2 by forge while building Juggernaut and 1 drop from a YB zergling at Briar… That was nearly 5000 hours ago tho.

I tried out trapper thief last night after all the rage posts… It’s horrible.

The only people I managed to kill were the ones who wanted to chase, I was able to troll a group really well with heals and stealth (shaman/apoth gear) but I never came close to killing any of them, it was purely a game of cat and mouse.

I blame blobbing on the players, not the game design.

The only reason I could blame powercreep is because it would suck to be owned by 1 person when you’re out with your little group of 3 or more but that happened a lot before HoT too….

It’s just the new PVT sorta thing to do, has nothing to do with thieves, it’s the players seeking low risk high reward builds plain and simple.

I mean, why play a build that requires skill and will punish you for mistakes when you can play another build that lets you facetank people, smash random buttons and still put you ontop of the fight?

I like the detail and effort the devs have put into the simple things of this game, I often turn off my HUD and go exploring in first person mode and just to see everything that’s happening can sometimes tell a story.

So +1 to the idea lol

RoRo.8270:

Raids were advertised as challenging content. Not sure why players feel they need to be catered and have access to everything

Maybe they feel they deserve access because they spent $50 on it? I dunno, just a theory.

I used to say Diamond Skin was the only reason condition builds were in check…

Odokuro.5049:

Jim Hunter.6821:

There are power builds for every profession…..

You really need to figure out what it is you want before asking for advice.

Yes yes, power builds for every profession…. I know that, not completely stupid here…

What I want is a class that’s, “Power Build”, competes well with Condi builds, and has ways of blocking/transfering/cleansing conditions.

And before you say, “Well every class has ways of doing that”, I know that too….

So if you have advice, about a class, give it, if not, and you feel like beating around the bush, then don’t reply to my topic.

Play a power build Elementalist or a Warrior….

Both have mobility, both have great condition control (which is needed for roamers), both have skills with multiple uses, both can be versatile depending on if you want to roam, havok or zerg, both have good forms of hard CC and soft CC, Ele shines more in group play but Warrior can soak up a lot.

I think your post is a little vague which is why you’re getting answers like these… I’m sure if you said x, y and z class which of these would be best for power then people could actually help you out a bit more.

Are you complaining about the build or are you complaining that he prevented your cap?

A thief with no damage who only dodges is not even worth noticing let alone making a post about it, but I can understand the frustration of trying to cap something for WxP and there was “a troll” preventing the cap.

Quite often the only thing I wanna do in WvW is flip camps for some easy WxP and it does get frustrating when 1 ranger wants to troll me by sitting in camp with dredge, building siege, dropping stealth traps and hiding under a yak bubble for protection.

Hey there, never done a raid before but not from lack of trying, I constantly get kicked because I’m honest and say I’m first timer..

Any guilds out there looking to recruit people for raids or any guilds out there that don’t mind running the first raid with me to show me the ropes?

vifesprit.3514:

Option 3: a Legendary Dungeon

Adding a dungeon with Story mode (see option 1) and 3 paths that use Raid wings, and TOKENS to do a lengendary armor (but not the same skin as Raid)

Adding a PvP track for this dungeon so PvP players can do a legendary armor too.

I’d like this…

I’ve given another go at trying to get into raids this week, so far spent 4 or more hours roughly being kicked from groups because I haven’t done a raid yet… Best expansion ever.

Tiger Ashante.1792:

Ubik.8315:

Shift+RMB

/15char

Oh ok tnx i had no idea.

Back to drawing Banana’s on PvP matches!

There was a time when PvP players asked for skins relating to PvE, PvE players said “NO OUR ITEMS ARE PRESTIGIOUS AND ANYONE CAN GET THEM IF YOU PVE”….

Now the tables have turned, PvP and WvW have skins only acquired through those game modes and you can bet the answer will be the same… “OUR ITEMS ARE PRESTIGIOUS AND ANYONE CAN GET THEM IF YOU WVW/PVP.”

It’s not discrimination, it might have been considered discrimination before WvW and PvP had their own rewards but now it’s just been made fair, you can earn your “prestigious” items in PvE and we will earn ours in WvW/PvP. You may feel left out because now there are items you want by doing things you don’t find fun, but that’s been the WvW/PvP populations life for 4 years now.

What are some good runs for gliders?

I did the Asura home world which was fun and all, did Lorners Pass too, made a few circuits around those mountains….

Any other good spots to get a decent glide started? Or some cool “tracks”?

Deniara Devious.3948:

Once Desert Borderlands come back, I expect the number of players drop on the borderlands and EBG queues once again go high, unless Arenanet brings in some other major changes e.g. better rewards.

I wish Arenanet would show us metrics, how many players on each server and each map as each tick. This would give us a lot of food for thought!

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

we can run different Borderlands at the same time

Alpine will still be there apparently

Josh XT.6053:

zinkz.7045:

They along with most actual WvW players left the game, that is what happens when you largely neglect a game mode for 3 years, and the funny thing is even with the new attention WvW is receiving and these WvW polls, they haven’t actually done anything about the real problems with the game mode.

Then when that is topped of with the reality that the HoT powercreep (combined with powercreep from the change to 3 full traitlines) has made the combat in this game the most tedious, low skilled kitten it has ever been, then given the combat was the big selling point for a lot of WvW (& PvP) players, you have even more players leaving.

A lot of his statement is based on bias here, just so you’re aware.

A decent amount of those guilds fell apart because of egos and people going to play other games for awhile. A lot of the players came back already and have reformed under different names or just joined up with other guilds.

There’s also the new mechanics HoT brought to the table…. (besides powercreep)

WvW guilds need to PvE to rebuild guild to full potential so raids in WvW were put on hold then when guild builds and classes came into management it was just too hard to organise as people need to grind elites out to get the right traits for 1 of thier classes and then somehow acquire the right gear by again going through PvE grinds…

You might aswell ask to remove repair vendors and merchants too….

Jim Hunter.6821:

sephiroth.4217:

Jim Hunter.6821:

sephiroth.4217:

Jim Hunter.6821:

sephiroth.4217:

Jim Hunter.6821:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

babazhook.6805:

I

Low on health it nice to be able to stealth off one of them Minotaurs

That is exactly one of the problems with them, lol. It’s just another free get away for Thieves which they already have enough of.

Turning them into white mobs allows players to use them for stealth, teleports, etc. but means a smart player can shut you down by 1 shoting the npc’s.

So the smart player is shooting NPC’s while the enemy is shooting him? LOL

I’m happy they took away rally mechanic, they don’t really bother me unless it’s the oakhearts during duels.

I’m gonna be selfish and say don’t take the rest of the mobs away, I kind of need them for my Rev, Guard and Thief teleports and also to build life force for my Necro lol… I also believe Rangers can acquire pets through WvW still? I haven’t played ranger since they unnecessarily added stealth to longbow.

…… ever hear of cleave, or aoe?
And rangers can’t just train every random npc they come across, they can only train juvenile (green)mobs, which you can’t attack.

Turning the animals into white mobs wouldn’t prevent you from using them to teleport, in fact they’d be even better for it since they would die in one hit and you’d break combat faster.

Yea I have but you said “a smart player can shut you down by 1 shoting the npc’s.”… I just assumed this said fight would happen randomly and not ontop of a Moa and then by cleaving you would not only kill the mob but you would also be attacking the enemy in by which means it wasn’t smart at all, it was just a coincidence.

I don’t know what enemies you fight, but everytime I see someone trying to hit anything that’s not me I tend to jump at them right away. Seeing a Ranger pewpew a white mob with his longbow is a window for my thief to gank.

How many shots do you think it takes to kill a white mob?
If I’m on my ranger and I see a thief coming of course I will engage him first. If the thief is off hand dagger I’ll kill every white mob in the area the first time he stealths ( or depending on my weapon set, cleave them down while fighting him) so he doesn’t have a free C&D target.

It doesn’t matter how many shots it takes and you seem to have completely missed the point. Not going to spell it out for you.

It absolutely does matter how many shots it takes. Current npc’s actually require you to spend time killing them which gives the enemy a window to wail on you. White mobs die in 1 hit, which means you spare 1 second to take away your opponents advantage.

The difference is huge. Currently if I’m fighting an off hand dagger thief, I never bother with the npc’s unless they are already in combat and I can kill them with AoE. It just takes too much time when you are already engaged in a fight. If they were white mobs that would be the first thing I did the second I lost track of the thief. Not to mention I would actively be trying to position myself so I was hitting them while fighting the thief, as opposed to trying to avoid hitting the current npc’s because I don’t need all the extra bodies in the way.

What?

[O.o]

It’s the new generation of gamers.

My generation was go in guns blazing, respawn, go again omg games are fun and amazing just to play such great technology wow check out those graphics.

New generation of gamers think dying in the game will kill them in real life too and that a game needs to consist of hours of boring grinds for achievements in order for the game to be fun or worth it.

I say keep defending with crappy numbers if that’s what you find fun. I get laughed at a lot by team mates when I take a full zerk thief and dive bomb 2 enemy zergs with dagger storm just to see how much loot or rallies I can get off the 2 fighting but that’s what I call survival training and it’s fun to me.

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Low on health it nice to be able to stealth off one of them Minotaurs

That is exactly one of the problems with them, lol. It’s just another free get away for Thieves which they already have enough of.

Turning them into white mobs allows players to use them for stealth, teleports, etc. but means a smart player can shut you down by 1 shoting the npc’s.

So the smart player is shooting NPC’s while the enemy is shooting him? LOL

I’m happy they took away rally mechanic, they don’t really bother me unless it’s the oakhearts during duels.

I’m gonna be selfish and say don’t take the rest of the mobs away, I kind of need them for my Rev, Guard and Thief teleports and also to build life force for my Necro lol… I also believe Rangers can acquire pets through WvW still? I haven’t played ranger since they unnecessarily added stealth to longbow.

…… ever hear of cleave, or aoe?
And rangers can’t just train every random npc they come across, they can only train juvenile (green)mobs, which you can’t attack.

Turning the animals into white mobs wouldn’t prevent you from using them to teleport, in fact they’d be even better for it since they would die in one hit and you’d break combat faster.

Yea I have but you said “a smart player can shut you down by 1 shoting the npc’s.”… I just assumed this said fight would happen randomly and not ontop of a Moa and then by cleaving you would not only kill the mob but you would also be attacking the enemy in by which means it wasn’t smart at all, it was just a coincidence.

I don’t know what enemies you fight, but everytime I see someone trying to hit anything that’s not me I tend to jump at them right away. Seeing a Ranger pewpew a white mob with his longbow is a window for my thief to gank.

How many shots do you think it takes to kill a white mob?
If I’m on my ranger and I see a thief coming of course I will engage him first. If the thief is off hand dagger I’ll kill every white mob in the area the first time he stealths ( or depending on my weapon set, cleave them down while fighting him) so he doesn’t have a free C&D target.

It doesn’t matter how many shots it takes and you seem to have completely missed the point. Not going to spell it out for you.

Jim Hunter.6821:

sephiroth.4217:

Jim Hunter.6821:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

babazhook.6805:

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Low on health it nice to be able to stealth off one of them Minotaurs

That is exactly one of the problems with them, lol. It’s just another free get away for Thieves which they already have enough of.

Turning them into white mobs allows players to use them for stealth, teleports, etc. but means a smart player can shut you down by 1 shoting the npc’s.

So the smart player is shooting NPC’s while the enemy is shooting him? LOL

I’m happy they took away rally mechanic, they don’t really bother me unless it’s the oakhearts during duels.

I’m gonna be selfish and say don’t take the rest of the mobs away, I kind of need them for my Rev, Guard and Thief teleports and also to build life force for my Necro lol… I also believe Rangers can acquire pets through WvW still? I haven’t played ranger since they unnecessarily added stealth to longbow.

…… ever hear of cleave, or aoe?
And rangers can’t just train every random npc they come across, they can only train juvenile (green)mobs, which you can’t attack.

Turning the animals into white mobs wouldn’t prevent you from using them to teleport, in fact they’d be even better for it since they would die in one hit and you’d break combat faster.

Yea I have but you said “a smart player can shut you down by 1 shoting the npc’s.”… I just assumed this said fight would happen randomly and not ontop of a Moa and then by cleaving you would not only kill the mob but you would also be attacking the enemy in by which means it wasn’t smart at all, it was just a coincidence.

I don’t know what enemies you fight, but everytime I see someone trying to hit anything that’s not me I tend to jump at them right away. Seeing a Ranger pewpew a white mob with his longbow is a window for my thief to gank.