Water is a must have for Elementalist. I assume you refer to the traits?
Best tips I can give for a new Elementalist in PvP is to learn your role in PvP before trying to make up other builds. That role is support bunker for now, it could change with the expansion.
that should help you get started. It’s important to learn rotations and effect combinations such as blasting fields, elementalist rely on it.
If you meant you want to make a mage that mostly uses water and frost skills, I’m afraid you may be out of luck as water is considered a support/healing attunement and does not put out enough damage to be viable.
The most viable option you have in that aspect is the Frost bow. It comes with a little bit of damage and CC.
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Hi im getting really sick of all these condition builds. its getting old.
With a name like Targaryen you’re supposed to be burning everyone left and right not make wuss hypocritical whiny demands. Otherwise the only Targaryen you will just slightly resemble will be Deny’s brother. I mean the one that got his crown of gold …. Remember that ?
Don’t forget the long titles!
He is Targaryen the 9536th, destroyer of beasts, capper of points, the lord slayer of foefire, chain breaker of skritt, divine from tranq and flawless treb aim, will ring bells across the map and smite those who do not kneel with a hammer of justice.
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Been playing Elementalist for a few years now, I have 5 of them. I use all weapon sets, all builds and focus solely on PvP but I feel my skill level has hit a brick wall.
Who are some of the best PvP eles around that I could youtube or what ever? I’m hoping they might have something new to show me and if they read this, any chance you can flog me on my ele for a learning experience?
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Water trait line definitely makes everything easier but running fire/air/temp can also be useful for PvP.
Main thing about Water is the condi removal for me, fire only provides 3 every 40s or something crazy forcing me to rely on staff water 5 or water overload which becomes a very active play style not relying on passives to carry.
The biggest issue with this though, is that you’re not being the support the team expects you to be and it’s a very selfish build so while you can play these sorts of builds and be successful, it will only get you through so far. If you’re playing for rankings, it’s best to keep water as the fire/air build is mostly for fun.
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the caption in top left sums this up perfectly. “the players are bad”, not the rev being OP.
I don’t get the issue with this Rev build but I play a staff ele so not sure if thats considered counter build or not. I mostly just nuke the point in AoE and then make sure they stay in the AoE with my Immobs, push backs, static fields, lines and chills and if it’s a stalemate because they can actually play then I rely on decapping with Air and holding em off point with earth. Use Air 2 when they drop the tablet and you won’t get pushed back either.
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After the end of Season 5 we will re-evaluate the experience and poll the community again to decide if the change should become permanent for all ranked seasons.
I don’t believe I remember the re-poll coming out either.
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I guess you didn’t play the bunker meta then otherwise you would understand why and there’s already plenty of beefy builds floating around.
I never said zerker was the only way to kill people, please quote me where I said that, Thanks in advance.
Nop, never played it, and still don’t understand why you seem to be ok with missing content on PvP for a game like this. I’m not. And let’s not go into the “you said I said that you said”. There is a group of really resilient people advocating against Conditions, agreeing to sloppy ways to actually work around the issue.
Aside from the non intended or bad designed issues, on conditions or whatever, PvP should be more diverse, and Trailblazer/Dire Builds could enable that. The fact Ventari Revs can somewhat bunker is not relatted to building issues, but the class itself, and how their skills were designed. I simply dislike the idea of toning PvP down for a whole segment of build styles just because there are a few classes or niche builds that are stronger than they should be.
Don’t make up your argument if you don’t want to be called out for it. As you said, you didn’t play the bunker meta and you don’t understand. People on this thread may be a bit nasty but it’s because they do understand and they are trying to help someone who A) doesn’t understand, B.)refuses to understand and C) trying to make an argument out of an answer they were given.
No one is arguing build diversity here, but if you want to take that angle I’ll help you out. By adding DIRE for the sake of build diversity, you will cut out a need for any other condition ammy, having 1 ammy is not diversity at all.
Are we in need of new amulets? yes. Do we need some more diversity in PvP? of course. These are good questions, bringing back DIRE is not one of those good questions, but it was still a question that you had answered so probably no reason to argue it unless the point of this thread is just for arguing.
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Oh I get it, you want the bunker meta again but this time with bunker condi mesmers….
Or bunker Burn guards
Or bunker Necros
bunker, what a word.
If these Ammies came around, I could see myself playing a Condi bunker Ele or a DIRE evasion poison stacking venom sharing ez win garbo build….
I don’t see the reason why there shouldn’t be beefier builds on PvP. Aren’t you supposed to try to kill people there? There are different ways to do so, and zerker is definitely not the only one.
“Confusion is a condition that deals damage each second and additional damage each time the affected target begins to activate a skill.”
Confusion is a condition that deals damage each second
Confusion is a condition that deals damage each second
Confusion is a condition that deals damage each second
“Doesn’t tick without action”
For the sake of respect, I think he meant the double dmg modifier, despite the lack of words… And so did I.
I guess you didn’t play the bunker meta then otherwise you would understand why and there’s already plenty of beefy builds floating around.
I never said zerker was the only way to kill people, please quote me where I said that, Thanks in advance.
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The whole point of Necro is to hit really hard, it’s why it has barely any disengages and one of the main reasons you focus the Necro down first besides it’s lack of disengages.
If you’re really an Ele player, you would know it’s your job to protect the Necro essentially and Necro is one of the classes that Ele can hard counter if given the right build due to obscene condition removals via traits.
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I can tell you that match throwers have personally told me that they dont mind being reported since anet doesnt do anything with the reports. These throwers get reported constantly and dont feel incentive to stop throwing matches
They brag in map chat about it now too.
( I thought as game devs they had a responsibility and obligation to the player base to deal with this as per the Eula/ToS.)
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They removed the Report someone for being idle option for reporting. I think that says how serious they are about it. They never took any action anyway, even when said person tells everyone in chat they are going AFK. You’d think the chat logs would be enough evidence really.
What? It’s definitely still there
It’s just for show though.
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They know there is no punishment and it’kitten a point where people openly brag about the 15+ games they intentionally threw. I got a screen shot but can’t seem to post pics for what ever reason but I’ll end up getting the infraction if I did anyway.
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if this is a tip thread, my biggest tip would be…… Be patient. Just hold 2 cap points and hold the map down, no need for everyone to be scattered chasing kills or cap empty points with 3 people.
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Staff ele roaming “destroying 1vs1 and team fights”?
Are they afk or something for you to destroy them?
Show me 1 video of ele staff roaming solo and destroying 1vs1 and team fights.
Mesmer come – u are dead
kitten , a thief feel bad when he kill a staff ele coz it is unfair (according to many players)
What aoe exactly u drop ? A meteor? BAM – u are interupted! U are tempest and u start to overload? BAM u are interrupted. What aoe exactly u drop in the right time?
Come on give us a video of roaming staff ele.
Oh and at the end u said to op “git gud”? Lets see how gud u are. I will come with my thief and try to duel me with a staff ele. OH if u want I will come with my mesmer? YOUR CHOICE REALLY !!!
Haha sure I’d like to duel you but I havent used staff ele in over a year since I only recently got back into Ele and have been practicing with Daggers to prepare for melee range on Weaver. If you give me some time to practice though, I can probably take you on in a duel and beat your mesmer.
o7 Hello fellow staff Ele….!!!
I find most people don’t bother with staff due to the steep learning curve involved and most are too focused on “ERMAGHRD BIG NUMBERS” instead of controlling the fight with soft/hard CC and sustain.
If they can’t play staff Ele too, then it means you can’t either because what’s impossible for them must be impossible for everyone else too.
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As for the jet pack, those specific rewards are intended as limited rewards you can only earn during that time, thus making them valuable. It wouldn’t be fair to the people who did earn jet packs for us to bring them back, and suddenly undercut their value entirely.
Was that quote from the era of temporary content? If yes then the quote made sense, the policy of the company was to release content that would disappear after a while, which meant the rewards in that content had to be kept unique and not given again, much like the content. However, the company policy on temporary content changed with LS2 (and that was a good change)
Temporary content required temporary rewards. Now that content is no longer temporary, having temporary rewards isn’t needed either.
It’s the quote OP referred too. Please don’t try and spin it either, it is what it is, stated by Colin himself.
A quote that was said in the era of temporary content. That era is long gone so the quote doesn’t apply anymore.
By your logic, everyone will have “God Of PvP” title within a year.
“era of temporary content” lmao, good one.
but here it is a 3rd time, just incase you didnt read it the first 2 times before replying.
As for the jet pack, those specific rewards are intended as limited rewards you can only earn during that time, thus making them valuable. It wouldn’t be fair to the people who did earn jet packs for us to bring them back, and suddenly undercut their value entirely.
There are some key phrases here if you’re not familiar with English, I’ll start with “rewards you can only earn during that time – This basically means there’s a time frame involved. That time frame is long over by the way.
" It wouldn’t be fair to the people who did earn jet packs for us to bring them back"
It wouldn’t be fair to the people who earned (not rng) their jetpacks.
I hope you’re starting to understand why some people might be super frustrated about this.
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As for the jet pack, those specific rewards are intended as limited rewards you can only earn during that time, thus making them valuable. It wouldn’t be fair to the people who did earn jet packs for us to bring them back, and suddenly undercut their value entirely.
Was that quote from the era of temporary content? If yes then the quote made sense, the policy of the company was to release content that would disappear after a while, which meant the rewards in that content had to be kept unique and not given again, much like the content. However, the company policy on temporary content changed with LS2 (and that was a good change)
Temporary content required temporary rewards. Now that content is no longer temporary, having temporary rewards isn’t needed either.
It’s the quote OP referred too. Please don’t try and spin it either, it is what it is, stated by Colin himself.
Here it is again though in case you didn’t read it fully.
As for the jet pack, those specific rewards are intended as limited rewards you can only earn during that time, thus making them valuable. It wouldn’t be fair to the people who did earn jet packs for us to bring them back, and suddenly undercut their value entirely.
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Any updates to the fractals will need to include additional update to the reward systems as well, agreed.
As for the jet pack, those specific rewards are intended as limited rewards you can only earn during that time, thus making them valuable. It wouldn’t be fair to the people who did earn jet packs for us to bring them back, and suddenly undercut their value entirely.
I think interpreting this comment to mean “regarding them dropping from fractals” is quite a stretch. No matter how it entered the game again, it is content and very specifically contradicts what the Game Director at that time said.
The value of the items has been undercut suddenly and entirely.
To be clear, I disagree with him. I think if you get items hoping that their value increases is a gamble, like anywhere else. If I buy that axe skin today for 50 gold and keep it (without using it), I’m betting on it to become more valuable in one or two years, maybe 1000 gold or more. If Anet makes that skin available again in 2 years, I lost the bet.
It’s unfortunate that the Game Director at that time made this statement, but I understand why the current person in charge thinks and acts differently. Maybe they aim to make as many people happy as possible.
Even without the random drop form those boxes, the value might have decreased now, since many players return to the game due to the expansion. They haven’t logged in for 2 years or longer, check their bank and inventories and notice the prices of the skins they have. At least that’s what I would do immediately. Some of those people probably sold them for 4k asap, and with 6 times more supply than before, the price has dropped to 400 gold.
But yes, the big impact came on the day the Season 1 memory box was released ^^
Imagine, there were people offering to purchase it for 3k half a year ago and didn’t log in that day (holiday season). They were sold that item for 3k and an hour later it was worth 400. Andf those who put them on the TP for 5k lost the 5% fee because they would never sell it for 5k anymore. But that’s the risk when you play the market.
As for the jet pack, those specific rewards are intended as limited rewards you can only earn during that time, thus making them valuable. It wouldn’t be fair to the people who did earn jet packs for us to bring them back, and suddenly undercut their value entirely.
I have to agree, what a load of horse crap to be handing out these items. Players like myself were there for those events and use these cosmetics to show that off.
Can we give everyone “God Of PvP” title in 3 years because not everyone got it? What a load of horse crap.
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ANet don’t care about the match quality in this game, so AFKers and match throwers will never get punish. Do your competitive PvP in a PvP game that supports competitive PvP.
ANet will never support a competitive environment PvP in this game. It will just ruin their bottom line simple as that. You are simple playing the wrong game is this bothers you.
It’s not about the competitiveness, it’s about match manipulation and idle players of which other games deal with accordingly via various means.
1 player being the cause of 3 logging off and playing another game hurts the bottom line more than dishonouring that 1 player breaking ToS.
But that’s just it tho. If this was truly hurting ANet’s bottom line. ANet would be all over them. So this is obviously not the case. Remember ANet are more then likely not completely losing these players.
I’ll put myself as example. I used to enjoy the living hell out of this game’s sPvP system. There used to be more good match ups then bad ones. After that reversed I, got to the point I looked elsewhere for my sPvP entertainment. I found it. Now experiencing high quality sPvP elsewhere. I’m hard press to clear 20 matches in GW2’s for the whole season. However I’ve moved my GW2’s PvP needs into WvW. However as I’m on a server that mostly just zerg with a commander or nothing. I solo roams until the other servers start dispatching roaming squad of 4 to 10 people and havoc squads of upto 20. At this point I simply go play PvP in another game altogether. I’ve for the most dropped GW2’s sPvP but still play and support the game in it’s other areas. Meaning my misery and abandonment of GW2’s sPvP did not hurt GW2’s bottom line one bit. I’m pretty sure many others are in the same boat.
Thus no real reason to ban a paying customer for another 3.
It’s great you want to be serious about PvP and move onto other games with serious PvP stuff but I’m just trying to enjoy Guild Wars 2 while maintaining simple ToS. (maybe you wouldn’t have found a need to explore other games if Anet enforced the ToS)
I’m also positive the real reason it hasn’t been implemented before because time and time again when someone asks for a working report feature, there’s always without fail an excuse as to why we shouldn’t have it. It must be really hard for the Devs to sort through that let alone take it seriously.
To bring this topic back on point: We need a functioning report feature, an automated system of say 10 reports a day for a banning till daily reset or something like that, some simple system that doesn’t require the devs to sort out each and every report.
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You can win 75% of your games and still be in silver/bronze. It will be a long climb, but you’ll climb. You could end up 500 wins and 100 losses but that guy who did well on placements can go 250 wins and 300 losses and stay on leaderboards.
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ANet don’t care about the match quality in this game, so AFKers and match throwers will never get punish. Do your competitive PvP in a PvP game that supports competitive PvP.
ANet will never support a competitive environment PvP in this game. It will just ruin their bottom line simple as that. You are simple playing the wrong game is this bothers you.
It’s not about the competitiveness, it’s about match manipulation and idle players of which other games deal with accordingly via various means.
1 player being the cause of 3 logging off and playing another game hurts the bottom line more than dishonouring that 1 player breaking ToS.
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Can a report function please work or be updated to something automatic?
say like 10 reports a day means no more PvP until the daily reset or something? Anything?
The state of your PvP is in this picture and the reason why I’ve logged off to play another game instead like I do just about every day because of this. (read chat if you’re confused, he afk right after the burn guard on the other team destroyed him, only 20 points down when left)
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Confusion used to be like that at launch, it got reworked because it became virtually useless if your opponent looked at his conditions every once in a while.
And confusion/torment isn’t nearly as prevalent as poison, bleed and burning.
Confusion got the rework more so it had a use in PvE where an enemy usually uses a single skill once every 3-5 seconds.
I thought it was from the glorious tears of heartseeker spamming thieves lmao
I miss the old mechanics for confusion, could counter play a condition without a cleanse.
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The problem is that DoTs in games like this are meant to be a ticking clock, not a sledge-hammer. “Condi burst” shouldn’t be a thing, ever.
The entire logic behind DoT’s is that they take a while to kill the opponent, but unless the opponent has a way of cleansing or ignoring that DoT damage, it is guaranteed damage. There’s no dodging it, no kiting it, if the spell hits, that’s damage that will seem insignificant at first, but devastating later on.
Power should be a blitzkrieg, Condis should be attrition, but with the current implementation they’re both blitzkriegs and that gives Condis a significant advantage.
As is, its a badly implemented mechanic defended only by the people who stand to gain something from its current implementation.
If you don’t like it that’s fine but don’t state your opinion as fact because it just takes all credibility out of your argument. Just because other games made DoTs work in one way doesn’t mean every game ever has to work the same way. That would be amazingly boring.
That’s how it used to work in this game too if you played longer than a year or 2…. It’s also the acronym of “DoT” – damage over time.
Don’t state your opinions as fact yadda yadda credibility yadda yadda
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Staff Ele is fantastic and this game has made the second best mage I’ve ever played. Fable dual wielding Elements was the best and guess what GW2 Ele is getting? Dual wielding Elements.
Looking at your list of expectations for mage differs from mine, I’ve always preferred “battle mages” so up close and personal with D/D is my favourite playstyle.
Staff can output a huge amount of DPS even in WvW/PvP with the right build and skill but Elementalist isn’t designed as a Warrior to just press buttons and kill stuff, you need timing, knowledge of your combo’s and effects (because Ele requires some skill) and to use all utilities available to you such as soft and hard CC. Need to learn how to kite most of all, while you can play a Paladin build, Ele base stats are super low which means you can’t facetank like a warrior either.
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Courtyard was such a massive fail: Both teams have a staring contest until one gets antsy and commits, then usually loses. Then spam AoE and the winner spawn camps the loser.
The fact that almost no one players it in custom, nor that other small team deathmatch map is pretty good evidence that the TDM fans are a niche crowd.
Or there’s not enough promotion for TDM… I had no idea there was a TDM hotjoin room! Been smashing out the free for all arena for hours a day lmao
I thought it was just a custom map you could use with a few friends if you owned one of them arenas and not an easily accessible hotjoin server I could use at any time.
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It’s not a standard build though and requires quite a bit of effort put into rotations and understanding the combinations involved.
Don’t expect to burst people down with a few skills, this build actually requires thought and pre-planning for every engagement. EG: If you want to burn stack, use your fire overload, switch to earth and activate arcane power so your firestorm also immob spams. You can spam about 16s of immobolise, handy for helping the team focus someone down. Use Air overload to burn stack about 11-14 ticks of burn, endless options. (11-14 stacks of burn from staff, you can go a lot higher with scepter or dagger builds)
Staff sounds bad n all, but casting meteor shower then switching to air for blinding meteor showers or earth for immobilising meteor showers works wonders for survival-ability.
Initial mid fight you can throw down lava font on the enemy side and switch to earth to immob the team off point before they can reach point.
Lots of options, god I love Ele. I don’t think any other class has this many options in terms of builds and playstyles.
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I do 2 things you hate in ranked… Having fun and using a non-meta build lmao
I didn’t say to only use meta builds. Hell I ran hammer rev all day in spvp and did very well actually. I was simply saying some people are likely testing builds, or using builds they aren’t fully familiar with in ranked.
I mean if you don’t have your build down to a T, knowing a good rotation, understanding cooldowns without even having to look and knowing what your build is good and weak against, then it shouldn’t be in ranked.
That’s what I was trying to convey there.
Aye but I’m a bit of a kitten and couldn’t help myself… Otherwise I agree, ranked should be taken seriously.
My main grief from ranked are people who afk before the game has begun or strait after mid point fight. I can personally work around a bad player or 2 but I can’t carry a 4v5 while the guy in base taps forward every 30s so he doesn’t DC.
A bad player can still be used as a meatbag so to speak.
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Not your standard Elementalist build, for this one there is extra combinations and rotations such immobilising Firestorms for Burn stacking or you can target an individual person with 16s immobilise……. I’m sure you can figure out the rest of the combinations.
Enjoy and good luck!
(I use staff or D/D if there is 2 thieves present)
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Most other games are trying to prevent it, and it’s not enough that Anet doesn’t do anything about afkers/griefers/trashtalkers, we’re now also slapped with that horrible unwanted victory screen.
The entire loosing party is dragged in to lay dead open for BM at the feet of the winenrs, and the winners are given emotes to do stuff with.
It’s bad enough already, but then the icing on the cake – every single emote is a form of BM. Not even a single way to pay some respect, no, “here here, rub that loss in and BM your enemy now! let’s leave a bad taste in their mouth so they will be less likely to come back!”
How does it make sense? What kind of sick joke is this? Who pitched this idea and who approved it for what reason? Nobody asked for this.
You’ve never played LoL have you?
At the end of every game, the winning team dances.
In a game called Soldat, you can /piss on your enemies after you kill them, in most shooters people “T-bag” after every kill and so on.
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The problem with that GS Mesmer build is really simple, it does that damage coming out of stealth. Meaning you can’t see it coming. And yep it does like 22k dmg in around 2seconds that you have no time to counter. Unlikely Anet will ever change it though.
After it does that 1 burst combo the Mesmer has to wind up again for another one so if it misses or wasn’t hitting hard enough then the mes is usually a free kill or it’s out of the fight for 15s or so. Usually playing a Berserker/Marauder Ammy, should be free food to any thief with a fraction of a brain.
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well….i dont know if i was burned for 42 seconds with all those cleanses that i have but i had clearly full hp and the one hit and downstate…anyway
You just showed us a screenshot of you taking 42 seconds worth of burning before dying.
42 hits, not seconds.
You can apply 10 “hits” with a small combo. let that burn for 4 seconds, and you have 40 hits of burn.
Also when playing with Plague Signet, if a guardian decides to drop his burst on your team, you’ll pull an easy 20+ stacks of burn (his burn and your burn you already have) that you can transfer and epidemic to the enemy team who will also most likely be dealing with 10 stacks of burn. So that’s an easy 30+ stacks of burn.
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I don’t know about the ping but what I get from time to time is very slow loading screens that load me into the game with a timer of 14:20…. By this stage, my team has already wiped and is behind 30 odd points.
I don’t get this slow of loading times anywhere else. Not sure if related or not, not a tech wizz.
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the real counter vs condi is not just cleansing, it’kittenting them w your 10k damage skill twice so they die in seconds.
like honestly. you don’t need to sustain condis eternally. just long enough to spit out your overtuned burst. burst meta is so out of control it’s just wait for a few CDs then 1 shot. securing kills is terribly easy.
condi issue exists in the minds of players who have never psychologically been able to move themselves out of the WoW mindset. they believe condis should be supplementary, and not an alternative primary damage type. unfortunately for them anet has decided they are going to be an alternative primary damage type. so these nerfs that all y’all who refuse to adapt demand, won’t come. you won’t get them. you’ll just get farmed again and again untill you L2P.
so like that’s it’s dude. those are your options.
. get farmed and cry on forums
. L2P
Dude… WoW mindset? You played this exact same game before the condition stacking buff didn’t you? When burns only did 700 at most and bleeds 100 at most? Only ever stacking duration, not intensifying like we have now with 12k a tick on 1 condition.
(not disagreeing with the rest)
the main goal of the condition stacking buff was to solve the issue of overriding conditions. so multiple condi players can effectively focus one target without overriding each others damage.
condi damage has always been able to kill. why else would builds like condi p/s engi, & the countless wvw condi builds have existed?
yes, condi damage has increased. yes it can be argued it’s too much. but you can’t argue that in a vacuum. power damage has seen just as much of a spike. both damage types are far too high imo.
its the ‘WoW mentality’ that has players tunnel visioning on condi damage. they qq about burn stacks & not 10k crits (we have 35k crits coming w PoF lol). it’s a joke really. i am unable to think of them as anything but scrubs.
I know condi damage has always been able to kill but thats not the context of our conversation is it?
Conditions have been overly tuned compared to the old DOT status / supplement damage role from THIS game, not WoW. (unless it’s a saying?)
I don’t agree that condis were ever a supplementary damage type in gw2. we have gear with only condi stats, and pure condi weapons. furthermore builds like p/s engineer have historically been very strong 1v1 builds, and that’s a condi only build. it literally kills w only condi.
WvW has always had condi builds in roaming too. condi as your primary damage type for 1v1 has always been a viable choice (class depending), it just used to be terrible for focused damage from multiple people in one target.
so, while I do agree that condis can be seen as overtuned- I don’t think they’ve been overtuned from a supplementary role. I think condi has always been a primary damage type, and just like power damage has been blow out of proportion with all the power creep.
it’s yeah. burns are more scary now, but dang dude all the damage numbers are bigger now. it’s all more scary. it’s all borked power creep.
but still, a lot of defensive skills have been power creeped too. we have a lot more evades and condi clear than we did at launch. so while damage has ramped up, we have got more tools to avoid the damage. some classes, like warrior or necromancer can just build to be practically immune to condi damage. so beating condi builds is still very very doable, which should be self evident by the fact most of the strong builds are power builds. PoF further encourages power builds, with Holosmith SpellBreaker and the like (only scourge is condi and usable so far), oh and those 30k+ crits from dead eye. every cool.
so it’s like yeah, having a 2k burn tick sucks. but so does getting hit for 12k with one skill, then 6k with another, then 4k with the next. dying blows. but you can easily match, or even outperform condi bursts with bursts from power builds. I mean, regardless of condi or power damage people get sent into the ground in less than 5 seconds these days.
TLDR: condi has always been a primary damage type, and this whole game is a power creeped mess
I was only talking about the WoW comment…. I said that.
I have no issues with condi/power. To me, every class has a build that directly counters another.
I mostly play for the new Free-For-All arena in PvP lobby.
….. And Elementalist.
The only thing that ruins games like this are players who make others toxic, players who refuse to accept responsibility for their emotions, players who run their mouths when they should be running rotations, players who complain too much, and players who repeatedly fail at the simple task of diffusing anger, ignoring chat, and choosing to react apathetically when appropriate.
How can any of you be so insufferably dependent on someone else’s performance while simultaneously thinking any of them care about your time?
You’re playing a game to waste time and you don’t want it wasted? Are you kidding me…
So you support people who afk in PvP?
such a strange thing to say man…. maybe you could tell me why its ok for you to afk at the first mid fight because…
Hmm, did I support people who afk?? Or is this just a sad attempt to straw man away from the responsibilities of your own toxic behavior?
You seem to have me mixed up with someone else. Sounds like you’re upset over something because you’re ignoring the thread and throwing around wild accusations.
I can see that now, the first reply I thought you were just defending yourself.
While I agree with you that toxic in game behaviour can result in ruining other peoples fun, this is not the point of this thread. I won’t point out this fact a 3rd time to you. I assume you’re smart enough to understand?
I mostly play for the new Free-For-All arena in PvP lobby.
….. And Elementalist.
I do played almost all of the necro builds. I played mostly Corruption Mancer. But this photos are made with Minion Mancer and I can bravely say it still worth and its pretty strong and tanky with a decent team or even with a bad one.
My Menders transfusion necro gets quite a bit of rage too…..
“WHERE IS YOUR DPS” lmao
Bloody Mender Reaper meta incoming.
Aaaayyyyyeeee Looks like you got the build lmao
I mostly play for the new Free-For-All arena in PvP lobby.
….. And Elementalist.
the real counter vs condi is not just cleansing, it’kittenting them w your 10k damage skill twice so they die in seconds.
like honestly. you don’t need to sustain condis eternally. just long enough to spit out your overtuned burst. burst meta is so out of control it’s just wait for a few CDs then 1 shot. securing kills is terribly easy.
condi issue exists in the minds of players who have never psychologically been able to move themselves out of the WoW mindset. they believe condis should be supplementary, and not an alternative primary damage type. unfortunately for them anet has decided they are going to be an alternative primary damage type. so these nerfs that all y’all who refuse to adapt demand, won’t come. you won’t get them. you’ll just get farmed again and again untill you L2P.
so like that’s it’s dude. those are your options.
. get farmed and cry on forums
. L2P
Dude… WoW mindset? You played this exact same game before the condition stacking buff didn’t you? When burns only did 700 at most and bleeds 100 at most? Only ever stacking duration, not intensifying like we have now with 12k a tick on 1 condition.
(not disagreeing with the rest)
the main goal of the condition stacking buff was to solve the issue of overriding conditions. so multiple condi players can effectively focus one target without overriding each others damage.
condi damage has always been able to kill. why else would builds like condi p/s engi, & the countless wvw condi builds have existed?
yes, condi damage has increased. yes it can be argued it’s too much. but you can’t argue that in a vacuum. power damage has seen just as much of a spike. both damage types are far too high imo.
its the ‘WoW mentality’ that has players tunnel visioning on condi damage. they qq about burn stacks & not 10k crits (we have 35k crits coming w PoF lol). it’s a joke really. i am unable to think of them as anything but scrubs.
I know condi damage has always been able to kill but thats not the context of our conversation is it?
Conditions have been overly tuned compared to the old DOT status / supplement damage role from THIS game, not WoW. (unless it’s a saying?)
I mostly play for the new Free-For-All arena in PvP lobby.
….. And Elementalist.
What’s the problem with farming PIPs in pvp? Aren’t we all getting PIPs in pvp just from doing pvp? I don’t see the issue. If the issue is that you don’t think these people are trying to win, then worry not. They will move down and if you are a good player you will move up. You get the most PIPs for winning so it makes sense they are also trying to win. Maybe you assume they aren’t because you are looking for a reason for your losses? Someone to blame, maybe?
If you read the thread, it’s about people who afk in base from the start of game or after the first fight.
I don’t put people who PIP farm in the same category as people that AFK. AFKers are entirely toxic.
I assumed they are PIP farming, otherwise I don’t see any logical explanation as to why they would bother queuing.
I just did 3 straight matches with an engineer that went AFK. They first raged extremely hard at the team for not winning mid. Then they said they were going to afk because they didn’t care about the match anymore. And they put a smiley face up afterwards. I’m pretty sure that person cared about the match more than anyone because they were the only one raging, and raging very hard at that. And then tried to play it cool by saying they were just farming. She wasn’t just farming in the sense that she didn’t care about winning. She cared the most. She just was a bad player and tried to play it cool, but it was too late. SHe had already flipped out so putting up a front and tryign to be cool after that is pointless.
My point is, some people will try to act cool and say they don’t care about a match and that they are just farming as an excuse to AFK. They are actually going AFK, not because they are jsut farming pips, but because they are toxic, lack sportsmanship, and don’t know how to control their rage. So they attempt to frustrate the team because the team isn’t carrying them. So she defintely wanted to win, but was just putting up a front about farming.
I did 2 matches with her after those 3 matches. She was on the opposite team and she fought me very hard for a point. But she couldn’t take it, but she was fighting extremely hard like she wanted to win badly. She lost that match, and the one after. SHe was the reason all her teams were losing that night, but her rage was directed at her teams and not herself. So she went AFK and tried to be cool and said she was farming.
My point is that she was trying to masquerade as a farmer to play it cool that she didn’t care. SHe’s not a farmer. She’s just very toxic. And I think other people act the same. I’ve seen it in real life and ingame. People who try to be cool after raging, but they just look crazy lol.
I hear what you’re saying, but i’m telling you that PIP farmers are not the same as AFKers. Maybe some AFKers try to be cool and act like they are jsut farming. But they’re not. They’re really just very toxic and lack any kind sportsmanship-like qualities.
It’s a fair perspective but there really needs to be some sort of small dishonour for things like these… Even some sort of automatic system where 3 reports in a single game could mean 10 mins of dishonour.
I mostly play for the new Free-For-All arena in PvP lobby.
….. And Elementalist.
the real counter vs condi is not just cleansing, it’kittenting them w your 10k damage skill twice so they die in seconds.
like honestly. you don’t need to sustain condis eternally. just long enough to spit out your overtuned burst. burst meta is so out of control it’s just wait for a few CDs then 1 shot. securing kills is terribly easy.
condi issue exists in the minds of players who have never psychologically been able to move themselves out of the WoW mindset. they believe condis should be supplementary, and not an alternative primary damage type. unfortunately for them anet has decided they are going to be an alternative primary damage type. so these nerfs that all y’all who refuse to adapt demand, won’t come. you won’t get them. you’ll just get farmed again and again untill you L2P.
so like that’s it’s dude. those are your options.
. get farmed and cry on forums
. L2P
Dude… WoW mindset? You played this exact same game before the condition stacking buff didn’t you? When burns only did 700 at most and bleeds 100 at most? Only ever stacking duration, not intensifying like we have now with 12k a tick on 1 condition.
(not disagreeing with the rest)
I mostly play for the new Free-For-All arena in PvP lobby.
….. And Elementalist.
What’s the problem with farming PIPs in pvp? Aren’t we all getting PIPs in pvp just from doing pvp? I don’t see the issue. If the issue is that you don’t think these people are trying to win, then worry not. They will move down and if you are a good player you will move up. You get the most PIPs for winning so it makes sense they are also trying to win. Maybe you assume they aren’t because you are looking for a reason for your losses? Someone to blame, maybe?
If you read the thread, it’s about people who afk in base from the start of game or after the first fight.
I don’t put people who PIP farm in the same category as people that AFK. AFKers are entirely toxic.
I assumed they are PIP farming, otherwise I don’t see any logical explanation as to why they would bother queuing.
I mostly play for the new Free-For-All arena in PvP lobby.
….. And Elementalist.
What’s the problem with farming PIPs in pvp? Aren’t we all getting PIPs in pvp just from doing pvp? I don’t see the issue. If the issue is that you don’t think these people are trying to win, then worry not. They will move down and if you are a good player you will move up. You get the most PIPs for winning so it makes sense they are also trying to win. Maybe you assume they aren’t because you are looking for a reason for your losses? Someone to blame, maybe?
If you read the thread, it’s about people who afk in base from the start of game or after the first fight and continue to do so without punishment.
My losses are generally my fault or the 2 thieves we got lmao
I mostly play for the new Free-For-All arena in PvP lobby.
….. And Elementalist.
The only thing that ruins games like this are players who make others toxic, players who refuse to accept responsibility for their emotions, players who run their mouths when they should be running rotations, players who complain too much, and players who repeatedly fail at the simple task of diffusing anger, ignoring chat, and choosing to react apathetically when appropriate.
How can any of you be so insufferably dependent on someone else’s performance while simultaneously thinking any of them care about your time?
You’re playing a game to waste time and you don’t want it wasted? Are you kidding me…
So you support people who afk in PvP?
such a strange thing to say man…. maybe you could tell me why its ok for you to afk at the first mid fight because I’m clearly not understanding why you would bother queuing in the first place with that sort of sportsmanship.
We all play for different reasons, I play to have fun and waste time. Atleast I’m not playing to troll 9 other people in the game, my life isn’t that sad.
Point of thread is that I’m encountering the same people who afk on my team and the enemy team match in and match out. Speaking for myself and a few others I know, we just log off and hit up LoL or TF2 instead which means from 1 game, the PvP lobby queue loses 3-4 players while that 1 guy who keeps afk’ing continues this cycle into the next few games. It’s hurting PvP.
I mostly play for the new Free-For-All arena in PvP lobby.
….. And Elementalist.
@sephiroth, why not just play ele then? For the same support role, you’d bring a LOT more to the table with an ele than a funky necro build that doesn’t do anything well. The necro’s one and only role is to boon corrupt and spam condis and it does it VERY well. For that reason alone, you see it used in most coordinated teams.
That build IS boon corruption.
I don’t play for higher leaderboards positions, I just play for fun. Challenges to me are fun, so using builds that require you to be skillful rather than the build carrying me is a lot more fun. It feels good when your team is alive because you played a menders necro well, or when you nuke a point continuously with marauder fire/air/temp ele (switch the roles up a bit, pic at bottom) The saves you can do with transfusion too are tide turning, teleporting downs off point and behind walls for easy rez.
I’m only gold but my rank builds that have me here are:
Menders Transfusion Necro
Marauder fire/air lightning rod Staff Ele
Diviner Shout Guard
Diviner Spirit Ranger
Wanderers/Sage trap/bleed stacking shortbow druid.
Menders I don’t know what build (bow of truth, protective shelter and healing ult signet——-somehow it works)
Sage burn/bleed D/D Ele
Menders Lightning Rod staff Ele if I lose 2 games in a row to get my 2 wins back.
Probably all considered useless but all fun to me in the end and with PoF coming, I’m sure none of this will matter anymore with all the new builds about to come out.
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I mostly play for the new Free-For-All arena in PvP lobby.
….. And Elementalist.
I really enjoy Dagger/Dagger celestial Necro…. That would be OP giving that to daggers across the board….
Giving this suggestion to PvP only though, that could open up some more builds because as it stands, Sage/Menders Amulet makes the best use of dagger main hand.
I mostly play for the new Free-For-All arena in PvP lobby.
….. And Elementalist.
People who PIP farm in ranked or AFK in some random spot in a PvP match without punishment is hurting the PvP population….
I say this because I’m trying to get back into the game but before I’ve reached my 3rd game I end up logging off and playing another game simply due to these players wasting my time.
I’m playing a game to waste time, I don’t need that wasted too.
I mostly play for the new Free-For-All arena in PvP lobby.
….. And Elementalist.
