Guild Wars 2

I’m using a destroyer ammy… really good stats. Immob > drop wells > freeze shout > stomp while all corrupted condi tick for good damage too.

2800+ power with 1700+ condi damage.

Shaogin.2679:

The Game Slayer.7632:

Solo/duo-q was and is a good decision. But I guess we’ll see how the community feels when they re-open the polls at the end of the season.

Solo Queue was a good decision, Duo Queue not so. The vote went the way it did because people don’t want merged queues. People were tired of playing solo and going up against teams of players, just as they even now complain about going against duo queue teams. Team Queue should have never been completely removed though.

I can’t speak for others but when they put the vote out I thought we were only voting in an option to play solo/duo q while still having a 5 man queue, the same set up as LoL had for a while. You could either ranked as a 5 man or have another queue for duo/solo.

As far as I know because it happens so frequently, you don’t lose any points for losing with a dc in your team.

The other sort of people who do afk in base and wait it out, best you can do is report them for match manipulation/idle player across the 4 games you get them and hope for the best.

Shadowstep.6049:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Ok, let’s get a few things out there. This thread is ok — it could actually be really valuable to those who participate in it on a reasonable level. I see it as an honest attempt by a good player to offer help to other players. Having said that, let’s keep the tone relatively respectful and — as I’ve said before — save the overt aggression for the battleground.

A few of you were concerned about the use of the term “pleb.” It’s not the greatest term, but I seem to remember when newbie/noob/n00b was considered the height of insult and it’s now commonplace and pretty acceptable across the board.

The ground rule is this:

• A generic reference = ok. Example: “The average pleb will…”
• A direct referral to another player as a pleb = not ok. “You’re a pleb.” “You play like a pleb.” “Your socks carry the unmistakable odor of plebism.”
• Other types of insults aren’t good, either.

If you’re going to report, look at what’s being said. If you’re going to try an attack or a counter attack, may I politely introduce you to your choice of PvP modes rather than doing it on the forums?

I am honestly speechless.

I think a lot of us are.

Avid player since release, first season or time since release I only play 1-3 games a day if lucky.

Combination of low skill entry builds like trap DH, match making putting vets and new players together, general lack of quality matches, discrediting peoples efforts into the “year of ascension” and so forth… Putting these concerns to Anet was met with silence so I can only assume captain has jumped ship and we the crew must do the same, game is nearly 5 years old after all.

At the end of the day, you gotta play what you find fun.

Edit: Just found this among the threads -

MOAR DATA: ~3% of matches have substitutes which could* cause the original problem in this thread. We are testing fixes now.

I actually have a tiny bit of hope again, hopefully they can address the other concerns people have as I do have them too… I hope Anet can take peoples anger as a sign of love and care for the game.

You can do up to 27 stacks of burning on burn guard, kinda useless against a team with condi removal though, which is any competent team/player.

The only burn build I can use against competent enemies involves block spamming at 2 burns per block but even then it’s boring as kitten killing people just by block spamming…

I think the real question is: Why was Ele Ring Of Fire nerfed due to people complaining about 3 stacks of burn every time they ran over it without looking while Purging Flames that can be dropped on someones head remained untouched, at least with Ring Of Fire you had to get close enough to drop it on them.

Rashy.4165:

sephiroth.4217:

Did you forget you posted links and source and I quoted it strait from your links?

It’s further up this thread if you want to re-read what you posted.

Your reading comprehension must be serious lacking as BOTH links I posted do not explicitly state that Ascension is exclusive to Seasons 1-4.

I’m done.

There will be a new legendary backpack every year.

Anet stated how it is, and again they let us down. You’re welcome to keep defending Anet about it but I think it’s fair to say they royally kitten on the playerbase who believed them. Congrats on your 6 season grind for the wings, some of us had it season 2 and actually found it prestigious.

My reading comprehension is fine. I’m done too, like I said I can’t teach you basic English or argue with you about it. I know I’m not foolish or delusional enough to argue with the dictionary but you’re more than welcome to try. (see, I can be passive aggressive too! Aren’t we special snowflakes!)

Rashy.4165:

sephiroth.4217:

Rashy.4165:

sephiroth.4217:

Rashy.4165:

sephiroth.4217:

Quoted it strait from your link. The current Wings can be earned AFTER a new one is released. Can someone please point out the new backpack? no? ok.

They never said it was exclusive to Seasons 1-4. That was implied by them saying “one backpiece per year” where Ascension was logically 2016, since it worked out to 4 seasons per year. As of the end of S1, they stated very simply that if you miss out on earning it in 2016, you can still earn it through some other means in later years, IF they release a second backpiece.

People assumed that The Ascension won’t be obtainable after 2016, but ANet said they’d come up with a way to still make the backpiece earnable. Somehow. Currently, they don’t HAVE to do that as they haven’t announced a second backpiece. Even if they were to release a second backpiece, the cleanest solution would have been to not retire the achievements and allow for people to always make progress towards them (potentially earning multiple backpieces at the same time, unless they change the achievements for future backpieces).

The goal was always to ensure rewards were always ACCESSIBLE. That doesn’t cheapen the effort needed to actually get it (except for the difference in league tracks vs. divisions which was fair because they anticipated that not everyone would be able to cross into higher divisions multiple times). The ones who worked their butt off got to show off their backpiece for a lot longer.

1 backpiece per year is not an implication, it wasn’t implied at all it was stated directly by Anet. Implication… jesus…

They did say it was going to obtainable in the future yes, but AFTER a new one was released. I still don’t see a new back piece but what I do see is another decision to push away the dedicated players of the game while simultaneously discrediting Anets future promotions to it’s customers. People worked hard to make it in the time frame and stopped playing other modes, games and gave up some real life time to make sure it happened.

They laid out there plans, no one made any assumptions, we just believed Anet like the morons we are then settle for satisfied when nothing happened again.

Read closely. One backpiece per year IMPLIED that it would be one backpiece for S1-4. One backpiece for S1-4 was NEVER STATED EXPLICITLY.

It is stated. I’m not going to argue basic English with you.

Without a source, I’m not convinced. The only source is “one backpiece per year”, not one backpiece “exclusive to season 1-4”.

Did you forget you posted links and source and I quoted it strait from your links?

It’s further up this thread if you want to re-read what you posted.

Rashy.4165:

sephiroth.4217:

Rashy.4165:

sephiroth.4217:

Quoted it strait from your link. The current Wings can be earned AFTER a new one is released. Can someone please point out the new backpack? no? ok.

They never said it was exclusive to Seasons 1-4. That was implied by them saying “one backpiece per year” where Ascension was logically 2016, since it worked out to 4 seasons per year. As of the end of S1, they stated very simply that if you miss out on earning it in 2016, you can still earn it through some other means in later years, IF they release a second backpiece.

People assumed that The Ascension won’t be obtainable after 2016, but ANet said they’d come up with a way to still make the backpiece earnable. Somehow. Currently, they don’t HAVE to do that as they haven’t announced a second backpiece. Even if they were to release a second backpiece, the cleanest solution would have been to not retire the achievements and allow for people to always make progress towards them (potentially earning multiple backpieces at the same time, unless they change the achievements for future backpieces).

The goal was always to ensure rewards were always ACCESSIBLE. That doesn’t cheapen the effort needed to actually get it (except for the difference in league tracks vs. divisions which was fair because they anticipated that not everyone would be able to cross into higher divisions multiple times). The ones who worked their butt off got to show off their backpiece for a lot longer.

1 backpiece per year is not an implication, it wasn’t implied at all it was stated directly by Anet. Implication… jesus…

They did say it was going to obtainable in the future yes, but AFTER a new one was released. I still don’t see a new back piece but what I do see is another decision to push away the dedicated players of the game while simultaneously discrediting Anets future promotions to it’s customers. People worked hard to make it in the time frame and stopped playing other modes, games and gave up some real life time to make sure it happened.

They laid out there plans, no one made any assumptions, we just believed Anet like the morons we are then settle for satisfied when nothing happened again.

Read closely. One backpiece per year IMPLIED that it would be one backpiece for S1-4. One backpiece for S1-4 was NEVER STATED EXPLICITLY.

It is stated. I’m not going to argue basic English with you.

Seems to be the new trend, 1 player on a team tanking himself to bronze and bringing his other 4 allies with him.

I’m glad I’ve quit the game now for the most part, after 4.5 dedicated years. I actually might log on a throw a bunch of games on purpose cuz apparently that’s not match manipulation at all and the other 4 players on my team can get dragged down with me, if they complain on the forums then I’ll tell them personally it’s because they have to get gud and carry harder.

Rashy.4165:

sephiroth.4217:

Quoted it strait from your link. The current Wings can be earned AFTER a new one is released. Can someone please point out the new backpack? no? ok.

They never said it was exclusive to Seasons 1-4. That was implied by them saying “one backpiece per year” where Ascension was logically 2016, since it worked out to 4 seasons per year. As of the end of S1, they stated very simply that if you miss out on earning it in 2016, you can still earn it through some other means in later years, IF they release a second backpiece.

People assumed that The Ascension won’t be obtainable after 2016, but ANet said they’d come up with a way to still make the backpiece earnable. Somehow. Currently, they don’t HAVE to do that as they haven’t announced a second backpiece. Even if they were to release a second backpiece, the cleanest solution would have been to not retire the achievements and allow for people to always make progress towards them (potentially earning multiple backpieces at the same time, unless they change the achievements for future backpieces).

The goal was always to ensure rewards were always ACCESSIBLE. That doesn’t cheapen the effort needed to actually get it (except for the difference in league tracks vs. divisions which was fair because they anticipated that not everyone would be able to cross into higher divisions multiple times). The ones who worked their butt off got to show off their backpiece for a lot longer.

1 backpiece per year is not an implication, it wasn’t implied at all it was stated directly by Anet. Implication… jesus…

They did say it was going to obtainable in the future yes, but AFTER a new one was released. I still don’t see a new back piece but what I do see is another decision to push away the dedicated players of the game while simultaneously discrediting Anets future promotions to it’s customers. People worked hard to make it in the time frame and stopped playing other modes, games and gave up some real life time to make sure it happened.

They laid out there plans, no one made any assumptions, we just believed Anet like the morons we are then settle for satisfied when nothing happened again.

Rashy.4165:

sephiroth.4217:

Rashy.4165:

Starbreaker.6507:

Nice job on turning it into the participation trophy of GW2.

Not that it was much of a prestigious award to begin with.

When it was possible to grind your way to Legendary using the old Pips division system to begin with?

Yeah, it was never prestigious.

It was supposed to be prestigious by only being obtainable across the 4 seasons so only a handful of the total percentage of playerbase would receive it…

That was never the intention. The intention was, if a new backpiece came out and Year of the Ascension had to be retired, there would still be an alternate way to earn past backpieces. Regardless of the approach they took (keeping achievements for longer, providing an alternate path for gift of the competitor), The Ascension would still be accessible well beyond the first 4 seasons.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/pvp-leagues-and-sloth-attack-on-guild-chat-a-summary/

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Stopped-dead-on-Wings/page/2#post6067744

Video in particular: https://youtu.be/1ApYM2f12ys?t=263

When it was announced it was announced for the first 4 seasons, then there was a huge forum complaint about people missing out so it was extended to season 5 and now again we extend it to season 6….

Carebear community. No one cares about intentions, it was said it was for 4 seasons so people rushed into it trying really hard and the carebear side of the game has completely discredited everyone who did earn the wings legitimately.

PvP is dying, lets kick it to speed it up instead of keeping this prestigious and bringing new content into the game mode to help it flourish a little.

There will be a new legendary backpack every year, but Hugh confirmed that the current style can still be earned after a new one is introduced

Quoted it strait from your link. The current Wings can be earned AFTER a new one is released. Can someone please point out the new backpack? no? ok.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Gwaihir.1745:

Ive had posts infracted just for saying ‘scrub’. Not even directly calling someone out. How is this post allowed to stay?

You called out a specific group of players on a named server with that “scrub” comment. It was removed, appropriately, because why be nasty and what value does such a comment have? You were merely warned, not given any points or penalty. I’m sorry if that bothered you, but consider how you post in the future and it won’t happen again.

As for this thread: If something is truly across the line, flag it for moderator review. Don’t do that because you don’t like the OP, don’t like someone in the thread, or don’t agree with the opinions expressed. But if you feel something breaches the Forum Code of Conduct — as your scrub comment did — then let the moderators know.

Edit to add: If the comment immediately above mine remains as it’s written, it will be moderated. You cannot name-call and insult — that’s just wrong.

You’re PvP community is blowing up from the current status and this is what you come to talk about.

I actually got excited at the red flag on the thread thinking it was some feedback about the current situation but instead I read squabble.

(I also really sincerely hope you’re not using the top gw2 player to dictate what the average player should be able to do, I know you guys have proven to be more logical than that in the past)

Duo queuing as a trap ranger and trap guard is actually pretty effective, I do it with a friend to troll sometimes. Kinda, really sucks on Foefire though, best for Nhifel, Khylo and Temple.

It’s the double trap placing combined with torch bonfire and immobilize spam that get’s most people. (entangle and ancient seeds too)

Rashy.4165:

Starbreaker.6507:

Nice job on turning it into the participation trophy of GW2.

Not that it was much of a prestigious award to begin with.

When it was possible to grind your way to Legendary using the old Pips division system to begin with?

Yeah, it was never prestigious.

It was supposed to be prestigious by only being obtainable across the 4 seasons so only a handful of the total percentage of playerbase would receive it…

Also on a personal note: I was a proud owner of The Ascension until I read this thread, I thought season 6 and 2017 would bring a new Legendary set to work for. Even if it was just different colours.

I agree…. My games have gone from 20-30 a day to 2-3….

My reasons:
1. Match making is poor, as described above. While my games got better after 150 of them, it’s still noticeable what knowledge my team mates lack in regards to PvP.

2. Lack of skill required to be effective. What’s the point in playing any class except DH?

3. DH’s again: The traps… Running to point, get nuked by 4 traps and a guard longbow 5 off point followed up with another set of traps from the same Guard once I get on point…. I’m dodging the kittening floor instead of my opponents skills. (remember the fuss about Firegrab? and having to see opponent animations? yeaaaaaaa…….)

4. Class stacking in matches.

5. Winning 75% of matches but still not rising in rating.

6. Silence from the Devs in regards to the current PvP situation. Something, anything, would make a world of difference. I’d even accept a poll at this stage.

In the meantime I have a Mechnomancer/Gunzerker on BL2 to level up cuz Engies/Warriors are fun.

Razor.9872:

sephiroth.4217:

Razor.9872:

Sooloo.1364:

Razor.9872:

So, it’s match-class-balance that you want? Fair enough, that could be improved.

But do you at least find the skill of your fellow and opponent players to be better than before?

I’d say 60% of the time my team hasn’t got a clue or the skill to win.
That isn’t a claim by me that im better than everyone else, but when 4 die to 2 its a given.

60% of the time? Is that hyperbole? In the past 50 or so games I’ve played, I’ve only seen that happen 2 times.

This might come as a shock to you so you might want to sit down, but the 2 of you are different people with your own opinions and experiences.

I’ve seen it quite a bit but the games evened out a lot after 150 games.

Na, I understood that already. I was just engaging in discussion while providing my own point of view.

Ah fair enough, wish I knew how to read properly…..

My games were atrocious to begin with along these similar circumstances but people were right, the games do even out a bit, just need to grind a good 150 games…. I was put onto someones team and I got frustrated with them for the lack of knowledge they possessed and it cost me quite a bit of games but seeing this person is now at 850 rating it does leave questions about the system and how these players were able to drag so many down on their fall, from an average persons rating of 1200 I think it is. It’s also proven to be quite hard to climb back up too, win 3 and lose 1 but go no where for winning 75% of my matches seems weird….

Dawdler.8521:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Not really, cc’s/blocks kill warriors. Someone skilled with a warrior is always gonna be tough, but then that’s goes for anyone.

You can CC and block a warrior all you want – they’re still gonna regen 1000 hp/s.

You need a Doom Sigil son!

Razor.9872:

Sooloo.1364:

Razor.9872:

So, it’s match-class-balance that you want? Fair enough, that could be improved.

But do you at least find the skill of your fellow and opponent players to be better than before?

I’d say 60% of the time my team hasn’t got a clue or the skill to win.
That isn’t a claim by me that im better than everyone else, but when 4 die to 2 its a given.

60% of the time? Is that hyperbole? In the past 50 or so games I’ve played, I’ve only seen that happen 2 times.

This might come as a shock to you so you might want to sit down, but the 2 of you are different people with your own opinions and experiences.

I’ve seen it quite a bit but the games evened out a lot after 150 games.

Gwaihir.1745:

Lukas.7159:

@Gwaihir you can compare all you want, it still are 2 different classes and obviously they have their differences in healing, attack etc

also to mention is that DH cant run zerker cause guards have one of the lowest healthpool ingame, so marauder is the way to go

they also run the trait with smite conditions on heal so its an extra 1,9k heal for them

not to mention like engi presses one healing turret and gets half his HP back plus having perma regen or druid can insta full heal on astral form

imo its a really good balance between all classes at the moment; well rev is a bit underpowered but that doenst belong here

I didn’t start the comparison. Someone else stated a claim as a fact, so I’m laying out the numbers for show n’ tell. And yeah I forgot to add in the smite heal. And I did mention zerkers was out of the question.

All he said was a DPS ammy, you guys made the rest up yourselves. And he’s also right, a DH has a lot more sustainability than a Warrior.

A Warrior sustain relies on healing and cleansing Ire with Defy Pain and Berserker’s stance as back up. Resistance can be corrupted and Endure pain can be kited, a well played burst spike will drop a Warrior quickly.

A DH has access to a gajillion blocks that also heal, damage and remove conditions ontop of leaps and a big kitten you wall. A DH bends over and farts an Aegis out.

sexuallegend.2153:

Leaderboard needs to consider top stats whereby losing a game yet earning all the top stats would atleast lessen the amount of mmr loss.

And people keep posting this “IT’S ABOUT WHO YOU BEAT” meme, while failing to even consider administering a bit of rational conjecture prior to emitting such nonsense.

1) You play with people in your MMR threshold. Outside of literally the first 5 minutes of this season, the meme has no validity lmao. There are no win streaks. Just a slow gain of mmr, increasing both ends of your mmr threshold by about 10 or so points.

2) Stop claiming you should be able to carry out of bronze until you’ve done it 3 times. Please just stop. 90% of you posting that meme can’t do it and are afraid to even test out having to carry 4 npcs. Players like me and Helseth are obviously capable of it. But then again we are the top skilled players in our respective regions.

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https://www.twitch.tv/themostchampion/v/109982102

I ask, how does one be rewarded for being a better player when the stats are extremely wonky to begin with?

Example would be the damage one: Player A dishes out most damage because he keeps having 4 minute fights on enemy node against 1 player, but player B has the lowest amount of damage because he got on point and killed the same person in 3 seconds, Player A is rewarded for being the better player even though Player B was more effective.

How would you reward the better player? Otherwise I think it’s a great idea.

Cerby.1069:

wouldn’t it make more sense to make a min amount of games to place each season? 25-50 games played required to place at the end of a season? seems like a good idea.

I think 50 games or maybe even 100 would be great before putting people onto leaderboards, the only 3 benefits from this I care about is separating PvE players from PvP players and to stop smurfing the leaderboards with alts or leaderboard sniping with placement games.

Soothsayer.9206:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Archon.6480:

sephiroth.4217:

The soft reset already f’d over my games by putting way less experienced players into my matches, a hard reset would only f this over even more.

I’ve quit the game 2 days ago from the horrible “match making is working perfect” crap, it’s not. If anything I would petition for a revert of our MMR, complete scrubs in the games I played because of soft reset.

I could see way more experienced players than myself in bronze and way less experienced in platinum, what the kitten happened to the matchmaking, I dunno but apparently it’s working perfect and there has been no communication from Anet to say what they think about it, if they would atleast admit something is wrong and they are looking into it, then maybe I would keep logging in but when a captain has abandoned ship so must the crew.

..and we have no reason to believe they won’t do the same soft reset every season.

Long Live the AFKer!

AFkers are what kill most of my matches, legit losses are a lot more sparce for me. I’m not the best and I’ll not claim to be. but a hard reset will mean that you wont be getting new players in the middle of silver bottom gold that just drag your team down if the other team get the not as bad new guys.

it’s not just afk’ers…had 2 people on a team last night all they did was argued and bantered with one another the entire match, as a result our “team” was summarily beaten.

I really despise AFK players and leavers, so much so it’s worth the infraction point.

Had this ranger across 3 games, 3 losses. Stronghold.5098 – Samuel Browning.

If I have to create a website to name and shame these guys I will, it’s a guaranteed loss every time and one of the main contributors to me in the process of leaving this game. AFter 200+ games my team mates finally started to know what to do so I’m not mad with the MM anymore but holy crap there needs to be harsher rules for these kitten tards.

Neftex.7594:

you seem to be missing the point malediktus, hes using alt account to show everyone that good players wont stay stuck at low mmr and so far hes successful.
obviously he cant win every match

Theres a few points to take from his stream, that’s one of them. One of the other clear points he’s proved is that if you’re an average player and not an ESL player then there are a lot of games you won’t be able to carry.

alemfi.5107:

sephiroth.4217:

BlackBeard.2873:

Nice thing about power warrior is that you’ll just randomly down a player from forever away when using GS burst skill and its silly 450 range full-circle. The dps is super-duper high too.

I mean, its nice being immune to power damage, condis from lots of resistance (even ignore blinds/cripples chills), and plenty of stab to ignore hard cc’s too! Even on a zerker amulet, the minimum time to kill is like a minute.

Condi warrior just doesn’t seem to have the same dps output, and doesn’t really survive any better as it has all the same passives + invulns.

I don’t want to sound like a jerk I am only trying to help but 1 minute on a zerker ammy is way too slow, you can do it 3 -5 seconds with a well timed burst and I’m sure there are warriors who could do it quicker….

Also, am I the only Warrior who’s using Destroyer Ammy? This thread sounds like it’s either pure power or pure condi but GS Mace/Sword or shield is a good combo too unless I’m just speaking low tier silver crap…

build

He meant you can live for a minute (it takes one minute to be killed even on a zerker amulet).

GS Mace/Shield is a meta power build, but that also doesn’t exclude you speaking “lowtier silver crap”. Surprised that’s not censored to kitten actually.

Edit: Also, not to be rude, but if that build is your actual build you are running… it does leave quite a bit to be desired, objectively speaking. PM me in game if you’d like a more detailed breakdown.

Ooooh I read that wrong then, then yea sounds about right. No not my main build, I’m normally an Ele player but Warrior is just super cruizy mode in comparison, only 2 defeats in my last 10 which is nice.

Feel free to send me any builds there may be things I haven’t discovered on Warrior yet, I’m always open to new builds or any tweaks to the one I posted.

BlackBeard.2873:

Nice thing about power warrior is that you’ll just randomly down a player from forever away when using GS burst skill and its silly 450 range full-circle. The dps is super-duper high too.

I mean, its nice being immune to power damage, condis from lots of resistance (even ignore blinds/cripples chills), and plenty of stab to ignore hard cc’s too! Even on a zerker amulet, the minimum time to kill is like a minute.

Condi warrior just doesn’t seem to have the same dps output, and doesn’t really survive any better as it has all the same passives + invulns.

I don’t want to sound like a jerk I am only trying to help but 1 minute on a zerker ammy is way too slow, you can do it 3 -5 seconds with a well timed burst and I’m sure there are warriors who could do it quicker….

Also, am I the only Warrior who’s using Destroyer Ammy? This thread sounds like it’s either pure power or pure condi but GS Mace/Sword or shield is a good combo too unless I’m just speaking low tier silver crap…

build

I know a guild called RUNNING UNDER NATURE [RUN] welcomes all sorts of players and helps those who seek it. At the moment the guild leaders are pvp addicts who are guild leaders of other pvp guilds so its rather easy to branch off to another pvp guild. Level 10 guild with 2k gold decorations for every member to use freely, if you want invite just message Crusty Fart Stain.

https://youtu.be/UAMyh8DjCrQ?t=6

“helllloooooo from the daaaarksiiiiide” – Adelle parody.

The soft reset already f’d over my games by putting way less experienced players into my matches, a hard reset would only f this over even more.

I’ve quit the game 2 days ago from the horrible “match making is working perfect” crap, it’s not. If anything I would petition for a revert of our MMR, complete scrubs in the games I played because of soft reset.

I could see way more experienced players than myself in bronze and way less experienced in platinum, what the kitten happened to the matchmaking, I dunno but apparently it’s working perfect and there has been no communication from Anet to say what they think about it, if they would atleast admit something is wrong and they are looking into it, then maybe I would keep logging in but when a captain has abandoned ship so must the crew.

Honest John.4673:

sephiroth.4217:

I believe most who say they are being matched with people less skilled because if they notice such a huge skill difference then it strait away by logic’s sake means that they are a better player than the ones they are matched with, otherwise they wouldn’t notice[

What you’re missing here is the simple fact that someone can recognize bad play in others and not themselves. It’s a perfectly reasonable option that some guy can play 5000 games and still be a slightly below average player, yet he never records his games and tries to improve himself he can see all the newbie mistakes others make and can recognize when someone does something wrong that doesn’t …. make him a better player though.

Every time I think I did literally everything I could to win a game and thought “You know, there’s no other reason we lost but because of all the mistakes my bad teammates make” and I then go and look at the recording of the entire match to prove myself I go “Nope, shouldn’t have made that rotation, nope should’ve been in more matchups with that one teammate, shoulda recognized that earlier” I see all my mistakes.

Some people will never do the things that can make you a better player (like recording matches and reviewing them) and yet they can still play thousands of games and gain a lot of experience in recognizing what not to do, doesn’t mean they don’t do those things to without realizing it.

Being bad yourself without realizing it is a perfectly logical outcome as well.

Oh I completely understand that, I actually record most of my games and screen shot the rest to analyze where I could improve in my gameplay and my builds, I really wish I could upload them but being prepaid internet it would cost me nearly $30 in data to upload one game.

There are plenty of bad people and there are the worst ones than that, I’ve recently discovered my match making is mostly broken because I queue in so called off hours being an Aussie player and apparently that was a huge a contributor my unbalanced games.

The baddies I’ve been referring too have slipped out of my division too, I think it was just late placement games maybe and my queue times, only having a few games here and there that are quite obvious in skill differences now but even then the tables have turned and I’m watching better players than me getting dragged down by me…. So I’ve been on the receiving end of bad players and I’ve also been on the giving end, and after experiencing both sides of it I can still safely say the system is detrimental currently and needs a few tweaks. (still love the system concept) And before you assume my gender, I am Chocolate.

Vicariuz.1605:

sephiroth.4217:

Vicariuz.1605:

sephiroth.4217:

His stream proved what many have said and that’s a lot of players are clueless to PvP and are keeping average players dragged down.

Credit to him for seeing things from the low side, you can see his allies are very inexperienced and that the majority of them very well could be keeping a few average players down in the cracks of the system, so Thanks Helseth. I wish I had the skills to be pro and carry myself and my teams into the next divisions, but I don’t. I am just an average player, not new, just average.

And I think like others have said, it just raises another issue and that is after I carry 3 players into the next div, they don’t belong there and will drop with anyone who was unlucky enough to be put on their team, not my issue though if they’re not on my team.

Im confused, if ur just an average player dont u belong in the lower divisions?

Either im supposed to be higher or my allies are supposed to be lower depending on how you look at it. Ive accepted the fact I am the reason my team either wins or loses, its no longer about being a part of a team for me its now about being the team and accepting i cant carry most games on my own.

Like i said though, thanks to helseth for showing everyone the quality of players us average players are being mixed up with.

Not trolling, dont expect to get very far with that attitude. Non anecdotal evidence has been presented, and will continue to be presented; it is possible to carry urself out of low divisions, regardless if u are pro or not. In this very thread there is a bronze player who has climbed to gold. He understands that the system is working, and he’s improving himself to move up divisions.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

So me playing from the very top of Bronze/bottom of Silver Solo to mid Gold? I must be a Platinum level or higher right? No I think I am where I am supposed to be until I improve myself at no point in that whole climb have I had a Win streak over 2-3 wins in a row and my Rating seems to have stabilized and I am against players that are of similar skill that make similar mistakes.

There is no attitude, only the facts from my perspective. Like I’ve said too, I’m climbing, I’m getting there but 500-140 matches shouldn’t be a thing and I’m merely comparing my old games to my current games. My old games were decided by which team that made the most mistakes, not by which person was able to carry.

I’ve said this plenty of times, there is no arguement from me. I am only posting my experiences and perspectives. As with everybody, we all share different opinions and perspectives.

The facts are everywhere about the current situation for many, while some may be whining, the rest are valid and I believe most who say they are being matched with people less skilled because if they notice such a huge skill difference then it strait away by logic’s sake means that they are a better player than the ones they are matched with, otherwise they wouldn’t notice. I can’t explain this much further, it’s like explaining why the colour yellow is yellow.

I and many others who have said this matchmaking is whack is only trying to say they want fun, evenly matched games where allies and enemies are similar skilled, please keep this in mind before you assume it has something to do with “hurrdurr gotta be legendary” sorta thing.

Actually, you’re probably right about the attitude, this is the first time I’ve actually been depressed about playing video games to wind down after work, I even bought The Moot just to make myself feel better. Disco Disco Woop Woop!

Vicariuz.1605:

sephiroth.4217:

His stream proved what many have said and that’s a lot of players are clueless to PvP and are keeping average players dragged down.

Credit to him for seeing things from the low side, you can see his allies are very inexperienced and that the majority of them very well could be keeping a few average players down in the cracks of the system, so Thanks Helseth. I wish I had the skills to be pro and carry myself and my teams into the next divisions, but I don’t. I am just an average player, not new, just average.

And I think like others have said, it just raises another issue and that is after I carry 3 players into the next div, they don’t belong there and will drop with anyone who was unlucky enough to be put on their team, not my issue though if they’re not on my team.

Im confused, if ur just an average player dont u belong in the lower divisions?

Either im supposed to be higher or my allies are supposed to be lower depending on how you look at it. Ive accepted the fact I am the reason my team either wins or loses, its no longer about being a part of a team for me its now about being the team and accepting i cant carry most games on my own.

Like i said though, thanks to helseth for showing everyone the quality of players us average players are being mixed up with.

Vykoz.7803:

yeah remove them class dailies, it cant be hard to come up with some other dailies instead, if thats whats needed.

I think it only bring annoyance and people have complained about them for as long as i have played.

New dailies could be:

Capture 3 nodes.
Defend 3 nodes.
Revive 3 team mates.
Kill 3 different classes.
Interacted with class mechanic.
Won a few games.

Something that can help promote good game play is what I was trying for.

Ross Biddle.2367:

sephiroth.4217:

His stream proved what many have said and that’s a lot of players are clueless to PvP and are keeping average players dragged down.

Credit to him for seeing things from the low side, you can see his allies are very inexperienced and that the majority of them very well could be keeping a few average players down in the cracks of the system, so Thanks Helseth.

None of this would be a problem if personal score/contribution credited bonus points to increase gains, and soften defeats.

X points for a win, lets say 10.

a D, C, B, A rank awarded based on your performance (score = offense + defence + support – deaths etc) awarding 0, 10, 20, 30 respectively. Rank = pre-determined score ranges. Rank is averages over the performance of duo-Q’rs (so both have to perform or they pull eachother down).

X points for a loss, say 40

a D, C, B, A rank awarded based on performance as above, but, 0, 9, 18, 36 respectively. So kitten performers drop the full 40, and great performers that still lose only lose 4 points.

Desertion = instant 40 point loss, desensitizing leaving/giving up at any point.

It would be amazing if desertion meant -40 or even -80. I have personally had too many quitters in my games to have any sort of empathy for it.

His stream proved what many have said and that’s a lot of players are clueless to PvP and are keeping average players dragged down.

Credit to him for seeing things from the low side, you can see his allies are very inexperienced and that the majority of them very well could be keeping a few average players down in the cracks of the system, so Thanks Helseth. I wish I had the skills to be pro and carry myself and my teams into the next divisions, but I don’t. I am just an average player, not new, just average.

And I think like others have said, it just raises another issue and that is after I carry 3 players into the next div, they don’t belong there and will drop with anyone who was unlucky enough to be put on their team, not my issue though if they’re not on my team.

Honest John.4673:

sephiroth.4217:

Honest John.4673:

sephiroth.4217:

Honest John.4673:

sephiroth.4217:

1 player is forced to carry 4 other players into a division they themselves don’t belong in.

So there’s 4 slots for bad players to fall in vs 5 slots on the other team. If you’re as good as you say/think you are… the odds are already in your favor.

Do you always quote people out of context? No one is here to argue but you’re more than welcome to try.

People are just trying to tell Anet a few problems, so let them. If it doesn’t apply to you then GREAT! most people usually stay out of things that don’t apply to them.

(in every thread I’ve read this morning you have made countless aggressive attacks against other forum members, how do you not get infracted for it when I get infracted by using a common term such as headless chooks?)

I keep it civil, never use any word that can get turned into kitten (as I hate that attempt at censorship).

Maybe people who aren’t that smart need to be told that, especially if they think they are and others are stupid.

If players want to complain about stupid things I guess we can let them but not without first telling them why they’re stupid to complain about.

There’s two other players on this forum who are so pants-on-head, mind-numbingly anti-intellectual about simple math, averages, and placement systems that it makes me drop my jaw in amazement. But it looks like you don’t care what they say since it makes you feel better to begin with.

This is the exact aggressiveness I was referring too. You don’t need to spout “But it looks like you don’t care what they say since it makes you feel better to begin with" or “If players want to complain about stupid things I guess we can let them but not without first telling them why they’re stupid” or some other passive aggressiveness nonsense at every poster you encounter that has a different opinion to you. You are you’re own person with your own perspectives just like the rest of us but yet you don’t seem to respect that and not only do you not respect it but you argue peoples own opinion and then insult them for not sharing yours.

Just because you’re not swearing doesn’t mean you’re not being civil, if you lived in Australia like I do you would know every second word is essentially a kitten but yet no one is ever offended.

I looked at your post history, you started posting all of this angry stuff about 16 hours ago but before that it was 5 days and you were helping forum members so all I’m going to say is hey, I get it, I’ve had bad days too if not terrible.

Hey, I’ve been doing pretty good lately actually, not having a bad day/days. You’re the one who thought I needed to be infracted because my posts don’t make people feel good about themselves. Maybe I just don’t like people making excuses for themselves, or sophomoric arguments against proven mathematical systems. It’s like everyone here is losing sight of the forest for the trees.

There you go again, maybe you’re hungry?

Honest John.4673:

sephiroth.4217:

Honest John.4673:

sephiroth.4217:

1 player is forced to carry 4 other players into a division they themselves don’t belong in.

So there’s 4 slots for bad players to fall in vs 5 slots on the other team. If you’re as good as you say/think you are… the odds are already in your favor.

Do you always quote people out of context? No one is here to argue but you’re more than welcome to try.

People are just trying to tell Anet a few problems, so let them. If it doesn’t apply to you then GREAT! most people usually stay out of things that don’t apply to them.

(in every thread I’ve read this morning you have made countless aggressive attacks against other forum members, how do you not get infracted for it when I get infracted by using a common term such as headless chooks?)

I keep it civil, never use any word that can get turned into kitten (as I hate that attempt at censorship).

Maybe people who aren’t that smart need to be told that, especially if they think they are and others are stupid.

If players want to complain about stupid things I guess we can let them but not without first telling them why they’re stupid to complain about.

There’s two other players on this forum who are so pants-on-head, mind-numbingly anti-intellectual about simple math, averages, and placement systems that it makes me drop my jaw in amazement. But it looks like you don’t care what they say since it makes you feel better to begin with.

This is the exact aggressiveness I was referring too. You don’t need to spout “But it looks like you don’t care what they say since it makes you feel better to begin with" or “If players want to complain about stupid things I guess we can let them but not without first telling them why they’re stupid” or some other passive aggressiveness nonsense at every poster you encounter that has a different opinion to you. You are you’re own person with your own perspectives just like the rest of us but yet you don’t seem to respect that and not only do you not respect it but you argue peoples own opinion and then insult them for not sharing yours.

Just because you’re not swearing doesn’t mean you’re not being civil, if you lived in Australia like I do you would know every second word is essentially a kitten but yet no one is ever offended.

I looked at your post history, you started posting all of this angry stuff about 16 hours ago but before that it was 5 days and you were helping forum members so all I’m going to say is hey, I get it, I’ve had bad days too if not terrible.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

sephiroth.4217:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Oh look if you aren’t supposed to be in a lower division because you are supposed to be higher you can carry.

So if someone has 2 accounts, 1 in bronze and 1 in legendary, where does that player belong?

Need more info than that because a player can place in Legendary doesn’t mean they belong there, same with Bronze. Then that questions goes even further into the hypothetical which is of no use discussing.

I put more info into a previous post for my situation. Scroll up a few replies.

I love the new system, but like with any new system it comes with some flaws. I don’t care what division I am, the only thing I care about is having good enjoyable games and a system that works a bit more accurately would help resolve this issue, for me. I can see and experience the flaws, but I can’t quite put my finger on what’s causing it, it almost appears to be a conjunction of a few things causing these issues.

To a certain extent, people are right. You CAN carry yourselves up and you WILL be matched with better players but the issue is getting there.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Oh look if you aren’t supposed to be in a lower division because you are supposed to be higher you can carry.

So if someone has 2 accounts, 1 in bronze and 1 in legendary, where does that player belong?

lethotix.2973:

fishball how to you explain me being legendary on one account and maintaining that by playing mutliple games a day, and not being able to get out of gold on an alt account. that proves there is something fishy with the system. either way if i belong to legendary or to gold. maintaining the 2 on different accounts..hmm

There’s no point… I have an alt that I play at work that only started ranked 2 seasons ago that shot strait up to platinum but my main account that had an establish 50/50 win rate before season 1 even started is having a hell of a time climbing out of silver due to team mates and the way matchmaking works. I think by the math alone my main account has dropped nearly 600 rating points in quality of players and is still dropping while the alt is climbing. I would gladly welcome a hard reset to my main account MMR if it meant it could have the same privileges as my alt where the system thinks I’m new and puts me with good players that are meant to carry me. I could be mistaken on how this works though.

It also doesn’t help he is using a pro player to advocate what the average player should be able to do, they are pros for a reason, just a bit of logic is my perspective.

15 Charrs to fix a forum bug. We need Asura tech support.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Shaogin.2679:

sephiroth.4217:

I think the greatest change would be to reset traps once the cooldown comes off.

This would be the simplest change for Anet to make, at would be effective at stopping players from doubling up on traps.

Do ANet should change something to help the bad players with PvP? So this happens, what’s next that people want changed because it’s the new thing they can’t handle?

Or maybe bad players who play DH can actually time their skills for a change?

There’s a second side to a coin….. Most of us don’t have issues with 1-2 DH, I think most of us have issues at 3 Dh x 3 traps x double placing = 18 traps for 1 engagement.

He’s right guys, if you’re a pro you can carry your team out of ELO hell…… /facepalm

Not everyone is a pro and they are the pros for a reason…..

Solstace.2514:

That would take half the season or more for some players

Yea, PvE players….

I could easily knock off those 50 games in a few days and it would be well worth it to me if it meant evenly matched games.

Honest John.4673:

sephiroth.4217:

1 player is forced to carry 4 other players into a division they themselves don’t belong in.

So there’s 4 slots for bad players to fall in vs 5 slots on the other team. If you’re as good as you say/think you are… the odds are already in your favor.

Do you always quote people out of context? No one is here to argue but you’re more than welcome to try.

People are just trying to tell Anet a few problems, so let them. If it doesn’t apply to you then GREAT! most people usually stay out of things that don’t apply to them.

(in every thread I’ve read this morning you have made countless aggressive attacks against other forum members, how do you not get infracted for it when I get infracted by using a common term such as headless chooks?)

Honest John.4673:

Glael.7643:

Honest John.4673:

Glael.7643:

what I encountered today : keeping 3 people busy on close while playing my thief, the others didn’t manage to cap mid in the meantime. gg

If you can keep 3 people busy that probably means they are really terrible, meaning that your teammates are probably pretty terrible as well (to be matched with each other), and seeing as how they couldn’t cap mid, that’s the case.

This is a tell tale sign that you should probably be helping your incompetent team mates. It’s also the extremely tired cry of every bronze/silver (and even lower gold) ranked players who think they’re doing awesome and their team mates are bad but they’re really making bad decisions themselves and can’t see the bigger picture.

This is why you’re in bronze.

So then tell me how I can help a team which won’t even listen to the slightest advices?
One person can’t carry an entire team, if said team just doesn’t wanna listen etc.

I’d really love to see your footage. Record a few of your matches and let’s see you doing nothing wrong and making none of the listed mistakes yourself.

You, and many other forum members really need to stop attacking other forum members just because they are having a bad experience with the current system and want to speak up about it.

I completely understand what he’s complaining about because I fell into those games myself but before that I probably sounded just like you, “git gud n carry harder” and that is the issue, 1 player is forced to carry 4 other players into a division they themselves don’t belong in.

He kept 3 players off point reducing the overall field to a 4v2 and yet his allies couldn’t take advantage of 2:1 odds. That tells me that he is below his rank and he is probably being dragged down even further by these guys.

Personally my games have changed drastically: What used to determine the winner of the game is no longer there, my games used to be won by which team made the most mistakes but now my games are won simply by capping empty points and spawn camping the enemy ranger until he rage quits, no one is having fun in those matches and if anything it inspires people to quit the game, especially the newer player who can’t even leave base. (I don’t want to pick an enemy and spawn camp them till they rage quit but so far it’s working out to be the best tactic)

My team mates because they are very inexperienced.

I think the greatest change would be to reset traps once the cooldown comes off.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

@JTGuevara and Smooth Penguin

By everything you two say no one in Bronze or low silver should progress. Yet people do, and in those tiers if you are skilled as you think you are you should have no problem against the enemies skilled players. Unless you think that the system only pairs you with unskilled players….

So it’s fair that 1 or 2 players on a team carry 3 bad ones up? Are you not reading the forums? Apparently some of these players have been carried as high as gold. I personally thought this was a placement issue but I’m starting to see it’s a combination of the new system, starting mmr, placement matches and gaining loot for losses while also adding in nearly a full set of ascended gear you can gain passively.

There’s a few posters here I’ve respected for a while and you are one of them so I’m left to assume you have not had a taste of what so many are complaining about.
It’s Probably best to think of this as a few of us have slipped through the cracks of the system and that’s why we are complaining and as you have no doubt noticed, it’s happening to more people each day. Not just here, but in game too.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

It’s virtually impossible to tell since with Placement Matches all Mmr stats were hidden i.e. What you gained or loss as well as your previous, Mmr. As well as that of your teammate and your Opponents ratings, now you could see if Evan would PM you your old Mmr but I doubt that since I have seen people request and received no reply.

It’s just the skill levels I’m playing with, feels like I lost a good 500+ rating…. Evan hates me lol and besides the guy is on holidays, might aswell let him enjoy it.