Guild Wars 2

SevenAce.3067:

Most cancerous matchmaking system I have yet encountered. Nothing qualifies to this madness. I recall 7 games today with this dreadful tempest… only 1 of the 7 games were I lucky enough to avoid having him on my team. One of the games he decided to afk at the very beginning to break my win streak. I’m horrified. I had progressed 1 pip in tier 6 diamond now I’m tier 4 after having countless loss steaks followed up by 1 comeback on each interval. I’m too tired to tell the full story of todays matchmaking atrocities but I can mention brief 3-4 games up against same premade team and also notably full premade team when soloQing. I sincerely hope Anet makes some adjustments to not end up having same players multiple times, as to this system is beyond the definition of fair, balanced matchmaking.

You are at diamond tier 6. Most people want minimum number of players at that level for exclusivity of being called “high level players”. So, its quite expected that you will playing with and against almost same set of people over and over again.

Interestingly, however, people in emerald are also complaining about the same. I wonder why.

A lot of people will have these wings if ANET actually manages to host 4 seasons of PvP league. It’s just a matter of time and patience.

Slow ride.. take it easy!

Captain Suzuki.8067:

Anet continues to screw over the average part time spvp player with the never ending losing streak due to the stupidity of the matching system.

If you are on a losing streak, ie, 3 games loss, take a break for 30 minutes or so. Do something else. There is absolutely no reason why you should be in a 3+ games loss streak at a stretch.

How do I know? I made this mistake while I started this season. I was at a loss because I simply did not know how matches could be so bad. By the time, I realized, it was almost too late. I lost 60 matches and won hardly 7. I took a break. I just did my daily and did other things and logged off. I continued doing that and pulled myself out of loss streaks. My MMR is horrid and every game is a struggle but, I pulled myself out of the hellhole.

Do I support this type of matchmaking? Absolutely not. I am still baffled how this design made it to live server on an online carebear theme park MMO game. That said, you can still protect yourself. Play less and you will win more as long as you know the basics.

Hope this helps.

Make Bolt Short again!

1. ANET needs to make a conscious decision about what type of playerbase they want for sPvP mode.
- Oil and Water do not mix. So called MMO carebears and highly skilled players also do not mix. If ANET wants to remove casual playerbase from sPvP in a systemic manner, I think the matchmaking system of season 2 will provide a pretty good path forward to that objective of preserving this game mode for creme de la creame players (similar to raid in PvE). There is nothing wrong in this approach as long as it is the goal.

If creation of a highly competitive environment for a select few players is not really the goal then do not force a player on a loss streak by matching him/her in a team that the player will probably lose the match. Timeout the player for 5 mins and match that player in a team that gives the player best chance to get out of loss streak. Use the similar approach for players who are about to cross a tier and is on their 3rd or more tryout.

2. Segregate Solo Queue and 5-manTeam/Duo/Trio/Quad Queue.
- I can’t stress how important this is. Team arena should be team arena. A Solo Player will not be able to join Team arena. A team of more than 1 player should not be able to join Solo arena.

3. Remove personal scores from the scoreboard. Substitute w/ 0 or 1.
- Only Non-zero score matters to gain rank point for a match. Why not just have a score of 1 or 0 or scoreboard. Anyone with 1 will get rank points and 30s/15s for win/loss and anyone with 0 will get nothing.

4. Show meaningful details in the details tab of the scoreboard.
- Show how the current match impacted the MMR of an individual player even if you do not show actual MMR figure. Show # of interruptions, decaps, etc.

5. Add a pre-season and create 3 player pools for the league in season 3.
- Pool 1 (Season 2 diamond tier 4 and above) – People who reached diamond tier 4 and above should be kept in the same pool of players next season and will never be matched against or with other pool of players. They can start in Amber to progress upwards (same as pool 2 and pool 3 system described below) but, they should never be matched with players from Pool 2 and Pool 3. This may mean longer queue times for these players depending on population at these levels. ANET may want to rethink the pip distribution for wins and division spreads if this truly is an issue. Let these players get 2 pips for each win and 3 for winstreak to compensate for longer queue time while these players are Ruby and below.

Pool 2 – People who have more than 500 matches played and are rank 80 will be in pool 2. These players will be placed in the first tier of Amber in Season 3 automatically.

Add a pre-season to decide tier placement in Amber. In the pre-seaon, every 10 wins will earn a league pip advantage and every 30th win will position the player to the next tier in Amber. That means John with 30 wins will start at amber tier 2 while Joe with 0 wins/did not participate in pre-season will start at Amber tier 1 as long as Joe meets minimum qualification for pool 2. Max benefit from wins in preseason will be limited to 120. Players with 120 wins will be placed in tier 4 of Amber.

Pool 3 – People who have less than 500 matches played and are not rank 80 yet should be in this pool. These people must qualify by playing in pre-season and register 50 wins to be placed in Amber tier 0. After 50 wins, these players can improve their tier placement within Amber like Pool 2 players by winning more matches in pre-season. For these players, another 120 wins will be required to be placed at Amber tier 4.

Bolt is one of the most beautiful swords in the game. I wish the size of the sword was smaller when stowed. Right now the sword is just too big and clips into the ground making it look really awkward.

I know that there are a lot of other high priority issues and this may be a first world problem but, given how many perfectionists there are in ANET, I wish some dev finds some spare time during coffee breaks to make the stowed size of teh sword smaller to make it proportional to the character wielding it.

Thanks.

Please remove personal scores from the scoreboard. Substitute w/ 0 or 1. Explained below.

Non-zero score is only what matters as it is tied to rank point distribution. Why not just have a score of 1 or 0 or scoreboard. Anyone with 1 will get rank points and moolah for win/loss and anyone with 0 will get nothing.

There are a LOT of people, even at Ruby division in season 2, play for personal scores. Somehow they believe top scorers are outplaying rest of the team and it’s a measure of success, skillfulness and entitlement. In reality, it is not.

This will probably help these players to understand how this game works.

I don’t show up in a tennis court to challenge Serena. I leave it to her and go to a side court while enjoying the same game in slightly different fashion. GW2 needs to do the same.

Pool high kitten aka Pool 1 – People who reached diamond tier 4 and above should be kept in the same pool of players next season and will never be matched against or with other pool of players. Will these diamond heroes smurf with alt account just to display how hypocritical they are? Or just to help their buddies? Or just to make some money (if that’s possible)? Sure. But, that will be quite a few.

Pool GW2 carebears aka Pool 2 – people who have more than 500 matches played and are rank 80 will be in pool 2 and they will be placed in amber.

I will go even further and have a pre-season to decide tier placement in amber. In pre-seaon, every 10 wins will earn a league pip and every 30th win will position the player to the next tier. That mean John with 30 wins will start at amber tier 2 while Joe with 0 wins/did not participate will start at Amber tier 1. Max benefit from wins in preseason will be limited to 120. Players with 120 wins will be placed in t4 of Amber.

Pool wannabe kitten aka Pool 3 – People who have less than 500 matches played and are not rank 80 yet should be in another pool. These people must qualify by playing in pre-season and register 50 wins to be placed in Amber tier 0. After being placed in Amber tier 0, these players can improve their tier placement within Amber like Pool 2 players by winning more matches in pre-season.

Pakkazull.6894:

Ithilwen.1529:

That’s the other side of the current “competitive” matchmaking. The extreme stomps are keeping a lot of people from advancing. Those folks who thought the system would provide great matches at the top are proven wrong.

How exactly are stomps keeping people from advancing? It stands to reason that if some people are constantly getting stomped, others must be advancing as a result. You can’t have a round without a winner.

Good question. Many people, after going thru the slaughterfest, quit after they reach their objectives. For some, it’s sapphire; for some, it’s ruby; for some, it’s diamond. Some give up even faster. So, the winners from those matches simply vanish while only a few remain.

It took me 41 wins to get to Ruby. It will take me 50-60 wins to reach diamond. Based on what I have seen in Ruby this season, I might as well spend time doing something fun and meaningful during my 1-2 hours of playtime. So, there goes another winner.

For something to be popular, it needs to be appreciated en masse. To appreciate something, you need to understand it first.

How many people in this game understand Engi rotations? How people understand it by watching monitor thru a video camera? GW1 has PoV observer mode for every match. GW2 took like a marathon backwards.

/15chars

— I can’t find any word to describe how bad it is. So, I left my post blank.

Agemnon.4608:

Instead of pips how far a progress bar goes up or down depending on final team score would be great.

This may be the one of the few ways to control this randomness. Then again, some people will hate it because it makes it a reward track. But, in all honesty, this system is actually a time gated reward track in disguise.

Not really sure what can be done.

Erik Waananen.6089:

Sardath.8524:

- the MMR of average/bad players shouldn’t be lowered as much when losing against a team of a significantly higher MMR

I can confirm that the Ranked matchmaking system already works this way, and worked this way for Season 1 as well. The matches in which you lose against opponents that are much higher rated than you do not adjust your MMR significantly.

Thanks for responding/clarifying. That makes sense based on season 1 game play and what Evan explained.

At the start of the season when MMR was reset, everyone had same MMR because it was reset. How did this work in the initial set of games? Did you use some kind of confidence factor based on win-loss history of players to determine MMRs after first set of games were played by the players?

It’s pretty evident something was amiss.

I have 66% winrate and looks like my lossrate gets triggered as soon as I get to 4th pip.

When I say I, I mean its pretty much true for everyone. Maybe ANET can boost win chance at 3rd – 4th pip while boosting loss chance at 0-1-2 pips? Not sure. But, this is kitten well frustrating.

Then again,

Last night I had a match with a guy who would not leave treb even when the enemy team had no treb. He said that he chose that map because he wanted to treb. I was 1 pip away from next tier. I mean no matchmaking tweaks can fix that. Only updates in WvW can. I really pray that before season 3 WvW gets updated and trebbers and zergers go back their homeland.

Firebird.8324:

Try targeting some real problems, like what do I do with my pvp tickets now?

10 shards for 1 league ticket seems to be solving your problem

is that a good deal?

morrolan.9608:

Cyanon.1928:

The unprecedented amount of forum post about the now obvious problems of the matchmaking system is a clear signal that something wrong is happening here…

However, ANET decides to stay silent… which promotes even more dissension, rage and ultimately less players.

They did talk about PvP in the Reddit AMA a couple of days ago. The primary thing that came out of it is that they are aware of the matchmaking problems and are working on it.

to create a new set of problems?

• Gw2 subreddit is a joke.

Bigger question is whether they will reset MMRs again after the league or are some people forever doomed with kittenty MMR till they stop playing this game and buys a new account? hint hint

Foefire is right now the most obnoxious map in the game. Probably beats skyhammer now too.

The issue is not only matchmaker.

1. The meta is bad.
2. The morale is poor because there is no incentive to try.
3. The Balance between offense and support is miles apart from player skill standpoint.
4. There is no skill barrier to league entry.

The list can go on and on..

People who are looking for competitive gaming culture in a theme park MMO are similar to the folks trying to go vegan in a steakhouse. These people are like plagues. They destroy games and the community.

You really need Donald Drumpf to create a resort where these competitive folks are ip locked and can play with themselves. I am telling you that will be terrific. They will also like it. Purity of skills will triumph over queue-in times where people wait for 50 mins to get 10 players of same skills to kitten fence. I am telling you that will be great. GW2 will be great again. Segregation is the law.

In last 3.5 years of playing this game, I have not seen so much toxicity in matches. Heck after winning people don’t even say gg anymore.

What else did you expect in season 2? Not sure what is it that you are wondering about?

Asked a baddie ranger to leave home and let me guard it. I said, “druid plz leave home to me”. That was the only toon w/ ranger icon in the group. He did not leave and proceeded to dbl cap an uncontested point. So, I go, “wtf man. why?” He goes, “not a druid.”

GW2 PvP for you.

server split? did ip change during the match?

uh oh.. another first world problem.

But, I hear ya. Both ascended and the legendary back-pieces look kinda over the top and distracting. But, the ascended backpiece will look neat w/ hellfire armor and the legendary one should be left alone for a glider on a female toon.

What iz peel? Smellz like wow. /15chars

ANET’s game director just quit/left. They have bigger problems to deal with than a PvP season.

Most matches at lower level will be over after first wipe. If you are up against a 60-0, a team member who probably was going thru a 20 loss streak, he’d not give a rat’s kitten to try for a comeback. He is too tired and bored. 20 losses vs 21. Who cares? He is in the kittenters anyway.

Where do you come to know about new/other games? Is there a website or something?

Michael.9517:

you clearly didn’t read my entire post…

I did.

Michael.9517:

no… the game is supposed to match you with people with similar MMR. Where are the peeps I played with in amber, emerald and sapphire… why am I not matched up with them again in ruby.

Michael.9517:

Also, i went on a huge winstreak amber through sapphire, shouldn’t my MMR be higher now? Shouldn’t I get matched with similar skilled people….. What I am seeing in the players I’m matched up with suggests the very opposite.

While you were riding your winstreak in amber and emerald with your other winstreak buddies, chances are those winstreak buddies rode another set of winstreak while you were taking a dump, showering or sleeping and, therefore, left you behind. Also, it’s quite possible those players stopped playing after getting their wings.

<tinfoil hat on> ANET ninja-changed MM system in Ruby and Diamond so that the slaughterfest does not continue past sapphire to make the entire season a stupid joke. </tinfoil hat off>

Michael.9517:

The players I got matched up with in those ranks, for some reason, did not do stupid things, like snowball into fights, not knowing how to peel for themselves or others , not knowing how to focus called out targets, literally dying in 2 seconds…However, that is what I am seeing now. the players I am being matched up with literally do all these things… yet somehow made it ruby.

As they say bad players are like cream always rise up to the top. That sounded bad. How about, in the mists kitten flows upwards? Take your pick.

Season 1 had blowouts?

Season 2 has longer games than season 1?

Which game are we talking about?

How about ANET makes a game for you so you can play with yourself?

No pun intended.

Dothl Lai.5829:

velmeister.4187:

Michael.9517:

here let me advise.

no… the game is supposed to match you with people with similar MMR.

Game is matching you with the people with similar MMR. What seems to be the problem at Ruby?

The problem is, why do I have to carry scrubs in every match when my skill level is on par? Why do I need to be responsible for the players who lack the knowledge of pvp, who doesn’t know jackkitten about map rotations? Tell me why do I have to sacrifice my matches to them?

Let me get this straight, I don’t mind queuing for longer time, but please don’t match me with random newbies just because the game doesn’t have a big enough player pool during certain time period. Forcing me “Play To Lose” is ridiculous.

Here we go again…

Don’t get me wrong. I hear you and I commiserate with you. But, wasn’t this the exact same complain that people made on this very forum about season 1 matchmaking? Wasn’t this the very reason why matchmaking was changed in season 2?

I had hell in amber. Playing a few games there I realized that had I started playing a few hours later in the league I would have rode the MMR wave to lala land. It’s ok I have bought a huge bucket from wally world today to collect Ruby and soon Diamond tears. They are precious.

So, be careful what you wish for. You might as well get it. Now that you got it. Deal with it.

DH is actually hard for this meta (not counting ppl who will walk into the traps on their own knowing they are there but, don’t give a kitten). I find any build that can carry is the build to play. D/F ele can carry 1 baddie.

Disclaimer: I played a LOT of DH this season and won a lot of games with DH. So, up to you.

ele d/f aura share seems to be your things if u did engi to div 5.

Michael.9517:

here let me advise.

no… the game is supposed to match you with people with similar MMR.

Game is matching you with the people with similar MMR. What seems to be the problem at Ruby?

If season 3’s system punishes players because they are trying to win, I will get my wings by crossing amber and will not even queue in ranked. I am still baffled how ANET’s QA team let this type of system go on a live production server. I mean, even from a theorycrafting standpoint this system is plain wrong.

During first week of the league, I wrote how blowouts will not stop the entire season. People, who somehow went silent this week, had claimed it would all balance out as the league progresses in a week because all pvp gods will move up the divisions. It was mathematically impossible and logically stupid thing to say. But, it was said. Now, matches that look like 500-250+ are actually 500-50ish. The rest 200 points got accumulated because players of the losing team trying desperately to gain a few personal score points to get 15s and a few rank points.

I can see why S1 system was bad. In season 1 matchmaking system encouraged you to lose in order to progress later. In season 2 it discourages you to even try to progress. Which one is worse?

I never raided. I don’t believe I will ever raid. If ANET keeps releasing content that I do not play, I will find a game where I have content that I want to play.

Simple.

Stop playing. Absolutely stop playing for the time being. Come back the next day after reset and try again. This is important.

I went from a 20 loss streak to 66% win rate by taking breaks like that. I won’t tell you to “git gud” because I do not know you and it’s generally stupid to say something like that. But, if you stop playing after 3 losses, it will help you, in many cases, to recollect yourself and help others not to have you in the party who is probably not in the best mental state to deal with the pressure.

If this suggestion helps someone, I will feel “gud”.

Firebird.8324:

Ok Anet devs who handle rewards, I have a Lavish Llama AND the wings, please add something soon for me to spend my 75 pvp league tickets on, or I will be Extremely bored, I WANT that carrot at the end of the stick!

uh oh… the first world problems.

No carrot for you. Eat the cake. Get fat.

Forceful display of both stupidity and arrogance plague this subforum these days.

The issue is not any particular class but, class stacking. For solo queue they need to create team buckets with 3 offense and 2 support classes; out of 3 offense, more than 2 can’t be of the same class. Also, classes are extremely unbalanced so, buckets should prefer meta classes while pooling non meta classes into separate buckets. Once two buckets of non meta classes of similar MMR are full pit them against each other.

Guys, season 1’s match-making formula was not good. It did not impact premades heavily but, it impacted solo queuers like hell. The PiP algorithm of season 1 was anti premade and was solo friendly (after amber shopping was nerfed).

So, to fix these in season 2, ANET made a matchmaking system that helps partial teams of 2 to 4 to zoom thru the low-mid divisions while kittenting on solo queuers. The PiP algoirithm favors partial teams over solo queuers heavily. My biggest beaf with this system is that it punishes people for trying hard. It should be other way around. Some people may not like the idea. But, that’s not how you keep a healthy population in an MMO.

Both systems are awful. People who went to ruby in 2 days lectured the people stuck in amber. Now, people stuck in ruby are blaming ANET for failing them. After much thought, I strongly believe that GW2 sPvP league needs a qualifying system and a rank barrier with a completely separate path between solo and duo-trio-team queues. Till then joke’s on ANET.

ANET put a PvE only item in a PvP competition which has no practical use in PvP. (Those kitten wings are distracting to say the least). Then they abandoned fractal legendary backpiece by making legendary backpiece only available thru PvP. Go figure. I heard so many cries about making PvPers do PvE for items they need in PvP. In this case, ANET is simply forcing PvEers do PvP to get an item that has some real value in PvE. So, yeah, joke’s on ANET.

style.6173:

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

style.6173:

nonononono. Not ruby+. Make it diamond+

Ruby in a lot of ways is the worst possible division. You have a lot of people who got there by grinding, but not can’t advanced because of the tier pip loss. You end up with a lot of bads there.

…but then you have those people in diamond, so what gives?

Oops. I meant to say protect Diamond from the Ruby people. I won’t want them in Diamond.

I strongly recommend you contact Donald Trump to build a wall between Ruby and Diamond. That may help.

sanctuary.1068:

Yea thats what ive said before, sapphire & ruby players are worse than amber players.

Was waiting for this…

AegisFLCL.7623:

Unless the backpiece, or future rewards, are only rewarded to top players, the system will remain.

I proposed that in season 1 and was flamed because ANET wants to make PvP popular and increase participation. If that’s the case, and rightfully so, then ANET needs to think about starting a pre-season and add a barrier to league entry.

I think at a minimum people should be r80 to participate in a league. This will give impetus to lot of people to prepare and play instead of roll and play.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

velmeister.4187:

AegisFLCL.7623:

First off this is a serious post!

In the end, I believe a lot of these reasons are why so many players are stuck where they are. Yes there may be a small handful of players stuck due to unfortunate events, but just because you’re a skilled 1v1 player, it doesn’t mean a thing if you can’t support your team and make an attempt to actively do all of the things I’ve mentioned above.

I actually agree to most of what you have said. But, I also believe the system is flawed. You can use this kind of system in a qualifying season to create a bracket of players and to weed out the bad by giving them chance to improve by playing unranked during a league season with some benefits to progress towards their achievements in their own pace.

In an ideal world, a world where theory-crafting is the law, it’s a great system on paper. My achievements are my own. If I am bothered with who else is also achieving other than me, I need to set my priorities straight. This system has alienated a LOT of people from sPvP. There are a lot of people that I personally know who will not even try playing this game mode again. To some, that’s good news. To ANET, is that really good news?

How is your achievements ever your own in a team setting? They are never going to be yours only. Each members of your team own more to the team than the team own to them.

Oh I must clarify. I did not mean league achievements or AP that you get. I meant achievement as in going to legendary division, diamond etc.

AegisFLCL.7623:

First off this is a serious post!

In the end, I believe a lot of these reasons are why so many players are stuck where they are. Yes there may be a small handful of players stuck due to unfortunate events, but just because you’re a skilled 1v1 player, it doesn’t mean a thing if you can’t support your team and make an attempt to actively do all of the things I’ve mentioned above.

I actually agree to most of what you have said. But, I also believe the system is flawed. You can use this kind of system in a qualifying season to create a bracket of players and to weed out the bad by giving them chance to improve by playing unranked during a league season with some benefits to progress towards their achievements in their own pace.

In an ideal world, a world where theory-crafting is the law, it’s a great system on paper. My achievements are my own. If I am bothered with who else is also achieving other than me, I need to set my priorities straight. This system has alienated a LOT of people from sPvP. There are a lot of people that I personally know who will not even try playing this game mode again. To some, that’s good news. To ANET, is that really good news?

You finished that match in less than 7 mins. Rank points are time gated. Yea. If you win easy or lose fast, you get less rank points. I am not sure how many minutes you need to get full rank points as I only care about 15s vs. 30s and the reward track progress.

If this is what have to expect from season 3 again, I may as well skip it as soon as I get my wings this season. Almost there anyway…just 1 more division.

That said,

displacedTitan.6897:

Halfway through Sapphire I started getting really good games and it has continued into Ruby. Very good season so far.

style.6173:

I’ve actually noticed that in a lot of cases people at Ruby are some of the worst players in the game.

It is odd.

How can experience of two players playing the same game in the same division can be so diametrically opposite? Looks like they are playing two different games altogether assuming both are stating their experience truthfully.

My take on this ruby situation is this.. people grinded up to unlock Year IV achievements; and then they realized they have no further up to go or they don’t really have to. But, they need to finish the achievements w/ different classes to get the wing. So, I believe, most people are doing this at Ruby as only a few unlocked year IV in Sapphire and very very few in emerald and amber.

Can I apply to duo/trio w/ anyone? 8pm-10pm est zone.

Enjoy the chat.. don’t bother with the score. Just 1 pip.