Guild Wars 2

ticket 605748 well over a WEEK with absolutely NO reply of any kind. I could understand if I had a issue that required someone to do research or work but all I asked was 1 simple question and haven’t received any answer or attempt at one in over a week.

here is the question:

your post mentioned that the black lion trader will no longer be carrying the winter and sclerite weapon skins, but will the Consortium Arms Dealer at the Pearl Islet resort in Southsun Cove still remain trading Sclerite Weapon Claim Ticket for sclerite weapon skins when the black lion trader stops trading them for black lion tickets?

@ CaboSoul.1204

np have fun with it

the made a post where pvp armor was changing to universal so farm up pve and buy pvp universal armor with gold as the dungeon sets are in pvp

sad sad day for pvp players everywhere since pve players will be getting more out of pvp than the actual pvp players, but should be good change for pve players with gold since they will make out like bandits with all their gold in the “new gold only pvp reward system”

CaboSoul.1204

What I’d like them to do is in exchange for 1 glory booster you get 100 glory. That way I’ll get enough glory to get the heavy kodan armor without doing PVP (something I don’t want to do) or a dungeon (something I absolutely hate to do) or make this armor available through WvW (something I wouldn’t mind to do) or sell these armor sets with karma, gold, laurels, mystic coin, etc anything that I can get without doing PvP, dungeons or WvW (the three things I don’t do).

don’t know if troll or………..

seriously didn’t you get the memo pvp is becoming pve

doing away with all pvp rewards since day 1 and replacing it with gold so you can now champ train farm your heart out and get rewarded more in pvp than the people that actually play pvp

great hu? (sarcasm)

Rickster.8752:

cerberus.1937:

Lordrosicky.5813:

cerberus.1937:

Lordrosicky.5813:

cerberus.1937:

Justin ODell.9517:

I can’t wait to delete the old PvP servers!

Chaith.8256 is right though, a lot of those changes were in response to what the playerbase wanted at the time.

Maybe pvp shouldn’t be balanced on what the pve players want then

name 1 pvp player that wanted glory gone, pvp only armor, or rewards gone in favor of gold only reward system.

If you can name one pvp player that would favor gold they wouldn’t be a pvp player since pvp players couldn’t make any gold (less selling dyes and such) till it was just added a short while ago. This change seems heavily in favor of the pve masses (aka pve players and tp flippers already sitting on large masses of gold) instead of helping the pvp players. In fact this next patch is a big downgrade to all pvp players why all you are doing is taking away their rewards and not fixing anything…………….and you wonder why long time pvp players are leaving

I am a PvP only player and I would rather gold over glory any day of the week. I think removing glory is a great thing to do. The only way to make use out of glory is to do about 1 million clicks. I cba with this because it is lame and BS.

So speak for yourself. I know many players (who pvp and don’t use the forums) who couldn’t care less about glory being removed. And if they do care then they are happy about it because the current system is horrendous.

if you are only interested in gold then you are not a pvp player because pvp didn’t have anything to do with gold until they tried to flood pvp with pve players with the lure of gold only thing that pvp rewarded was glory, boosters, crafting mats, and reward chests for over a year.

also if you cant see how gold favors the pve champ train and tp flipper masses then its time to open your eyes or try explaining how pvp players have so much more gold than pve players.

Maybe its just me but I feel their time would be better spent fixing the many things broken in pvp already rather than trying to delete everything pvp players attained over the last year and a half or don’t you remember when they tried to delete ranks that failed now they are deleting everything else in favor of gold yah…….

Stop just beating on anet for no reason and calling them out for changing something which SUCKED. Glory SUCKED. Totally sucked. You find me a pvp player who enjoyed getting rank reward chests with all the clicking required to salvage all that bs.

And don’t tell me I am not a pvp player. I don’t even use skins because that kitten doesn’t matter to me whatsoever dude. It is all pve nonesense. Customising my character for pvp? Who cares. It is a joke, I am here to fight people and have some fun/social experience/competition. I am not here to play “dress the barbie” with my avatar.

Removing glory is awesome because glory is just grind. Clicking salvage, blah blah blah.

wow someone needs a reality check you claim to be a pvp player but you are fine with anet deleting everything that is pvp its called denial need a dictionary (too harsh truth hurts)

lets take a stroll down memory lane

what is pvp player vs player what was rewarded in pvp
rank
glory
boosters
rank/ reward chests
what did anet try to delete or plan on deleting all of the above
enough said

How do I need a reality check? What is “pvp” about having to salvage a load of BS from chests. And then having to do more clicking to turn those into dyes. More clicking to open them and more clicking to sell that. That is just a waste of time. I would rather have no rewards at all than that. Glory/boosters is just spam not anything good for pvp. It just clutters up pvp with nonesense. Getting gold is way better. It is there with no need to do a ton of clicking.

was this quoted at you no please read before posting its a reality check thinking that deleting everything that separated pvp from pve and making pvp a pve reward system of gold completely favoring those with gold aka pve over the players its supposedly for pvp how is it “fair” when people from pve get higher rewards in pvp than those that have been with pvp since day 1 or 3 day head start again?

oh especially like your line rather have no rewards then delete all rewards and stop complaining you will get everything you ask for

Lordrosicky.5813:

cerberus.1937:

Lordrosicky.5813:

cerberus.1937:

Justin ODell.9517:

I can’t wait to delete the old PvP servers!

Chaith.8256 is right though, a lot of those changes were in response to what the playerbase wanted at the time.

Maybe pvp shouldn’t be balanced on what the pve players want then

name 1 pvp player that wanted glory gone, pvp only armor, or rewards gone in favor of gold only reward system.

If you can name one pvp player that would favor gold they wouldn’t be a pvp player since pvp players couldn’t make any gold (less selling dyes and such) till it was just added a short while ago. This change seems heavily in favor of the pve masses (aka pve players and tp flippers already sitting on large masses of gold) instead of helping the pvp players. In fact this next patch is a big downgrade to all pvp players why all you are doing is taking away their rewards and not fixing anything…………….and you wonder why long time pvp players are leaving

I am a PvP only player and I would rather gold over glory any day of the week. I think removing glory is a great thing to do. The only way to make use out of glory is to do about 1 million clicks. I cba with this because it is lame and BS.

So speak for yourself. I know many players (who pvp and don’t use the forums) who couldn’t care less about glory being removed. And if they do care then they are happy about it because the current system is horrendous.

if you are only interested in gold then you are not a pvp player because pvp didn’t have anything to do with gold until they tried to flood pvp with pve players with the lure of gold only thing that pvp rewarded was glory, boosters, crafting mats, and reward chests for over a year.

also if you cant see how gold favors the pve champ train and tp flipper masses then its time to open your eyes or try explaining how pvp players have so much more gold than pve players.

Maybe its just me but I feel their time would be better spent fixing the many things broken in pvp already rather than trying to delete everything pvp players attained over the last year and a half or don’t you remember when they tried to delete ranks that failed now they are deleting everything else in favor of gold yah…….

Stop just beating on anet for no reason and calling them out for changing something which SUCKED. Glory SUCKED. Totally sucked. You find me a pvp player who enjoyed getting rank reward chests with all the clicking required to salvage all that bs.

And don’t tell me I am not a pvp player. I don’t even use skins because that kitten doesn’t matter to me whatsoever dude. It is all pve nonesense. Customising my character for pvp? Who cares. It is a joke, I am here to fight people and have some fun/social experience/competition. I am not here to play “dress the barbie” with my avatar.

Removing glory is awesome because glory is just grind. Clicking salvage, blah blah blah.

wow someone needs a reality check you claim to be a pvp player but you are fine with anet deleting everything that is pvp its called denial need a dictionary (too harsh truth hurts)

lets take a stroll down memory lane

what is pvp player vs player what was rewarded in pvp
rank
glory
boosters
rank/ reward chests
crafting mats
what did anet try to delete or plan on deleting all of the above
enough said

silvermember.8941:

cerberus.1937:

Malcastus.6240:

I had 60+ when they mentioned removing them. .

oh poor you those 60 boosters must have been tough to use try being dedicated to something like pvp before passing off what people are losing as nothing, or better yet be happy when they delete a year and a half worth of your pve effort then you can have room to say people are crying over nothing.

point is you don’t care about boosters doesn’t mean other people don’t so feel free to talk about boosters all you want but don’t try to walk in here and tell everyone that they are crying or unjustified saying you had 60 boosters compared to people that had over 600 and constantly earning more

What makes you think we don’t care about boosters? We all do, the difference is some of us probably already use theirs and we believe it wont be fair for us that listen to them.

In a way all of us are being selfish. I personally don’t mind if we get something for boosters but they better refund all the booster I have used since the announcement. Think of it like this, if I am going down, I am pulling you with me.

sorry but you seriously need to think through what you are asking for before you post, because I am sure they would be happy to delete the 400-800 glory you gained from using your boosters and give you 100 like the people that didn’t have a chance to use them are asking for.

here is what you ask for refund all the boosters used they are worth 400-800 glory unused people are asking fro 100 glory so sure you want that reduce in glory since you got them used ….really

Lordrosicky.5813:

cerberus.1937:

Justin ODell.9517:

I can’t wait to delete the old PvP servers!

Chaith.8256 is right though, a lot of those changes were in response to what the playerbase wanted at the time.

Maybe pvp shouldn’t be balanced on what the pve players want then

name 1 pvp player that wanted glory gone, pvp only armor, or rewards gone in favor of gold only reward system.

If you can name one pvp player that would favor gold they wouldn’t be a pvp player since pvp players couldn’t make any gold (less selling dyes and such) till it was just added a short while ago. This change seems heavily in favor of the pve masses (aka pve players and tp flippers already sitting on large masses of gold) instead of helping the pvp players. In fact this next patch is a big downgrade to all pvp players why all you are doing is taking away their rewards and not fixing anything…………….and you wonder why long time pvp players are leaving

I am a PvP only player and I would rather gold over glory any day of the week. I think removing glory is a great thing to do. The only way to make use out of glory is to do about 1 million clicks. I cba with this because it is lame and BS.

So speak for yourself. I know many players (who pvp and don’t use the forums) who couldn’t care less about glory being removed. And if they do care then they are happy about it because the current system is horrendous.

if you are only interested in gold then you are not a pvp player because pvp didn’t have anything to do with gold until they tried to flood pvp with pve players with the lure of gold only thing that pvp rewarded was glory, boosters, crafting mats, and reward chests for over a year.

also if you cant see how gold favors the pve champ train and tp flipper masses then its time to open your eyes or try explaining how pvp players have so much more gold than pve players.

Maybe its just me but I feel their time would be better spent fixing the many things broken in pvp already rather than trying to delete everything pvp players attained over the last year and a half or don’t you remember when they tried to delete ranks that failed now they are deleting everything else in favor of gold yah…….

Malcastus.6240:

I had 60+ when they mentioned removing them. .

oh poor you those 60 boosters must have been tough to use try being dedicated to something like pvp before passing off what people are losing as nothing, or better yet be happy when they delete a year and a half worth of your pve effort then you can have room to say people are crying over nothing.

point is you don’t care about boosters doesn’t mean other people don’t so feel free to talk about boosters all you want but don’t try to walk in here and tell everyone that they are crying or unjustified saying you had 60 boosters compared to people that had over 600 and constantly earning more

Justin ODell.9517:

I can’t wait to delete the old PvP servers!

Chaith.8256 is right though, a lot of those changes were in response to what the playerbase wanted at the time.

Maybe pvp shouldn’t be balanced on what the pve players want then

name 1 pvp player that wanted glory gone, pvp only armor, or rewards gone in favor of gold only reward system.

If you can name one pvp player that would favor gold they wouldn’t be a pvp player since pvp players couldn’t make any gold (less selling dyes and such) till it was just added a short while ago. This change seems heavily in favor of the pve masses (aka pve players and tp flippers already sitting on large masses of gold) instead of helping the pvp players. In fact this next patch is a big downgrade to all pvp players why all you are doing is taking away their rewards and not fixing anything…………….and you wonder why long time pvp players are leaving

I don’t really know what the problem is, if its that people really cant read or choose not to.

Its not JUST about the glory boosters

yes the glory boosters are a big issue to a lot of people and probably the main one, but its not the only one here are the problems:

1) they either are or tried to get rid of everything that was ever rewarded to pvp players since day one, not true you say here let me list them for you

they TRIED to get rid of ranks

they ARE getting rid of

glory

glory boosters

crafting materials

reward chests

what is left you ask………that’s right NOTHING

2) they are focusing on taking things away from pvp players instead of fixing the MANY problems already in pvp

3) this sets a very bad train of thought that hey we can delete anything in the game no matter how long, how much work , or how much money was put into it.

4) read all the complaints rather than picking and choosing yes many want some glory like 100 per unused booster and not one person can complain because if they had used them they would have got 400-800 glory instead of 100

5) they claim they want to be fair how would pve react if this happened to them, anyone could tell you they wouldn’t dream of doing this to pve because of the outcry that would follow

If you got to use your boosters and such great but people here since 3 day headstart and don’t do hotjoin constantly have 600-1000+ boosters and keep getting them from reward chests with no hope of using them which is why its the loudest voiced complaint.

So if it doesn’t hurt you why are you complaining again…..

Because its not just boosters
things they tried to delete or are deleting

rank tried to delete it

glory deleting it

glory boosters deleting it

crafting mats deleting it

what is left …..oh yah NOTHING

take all this away and what have pvp players been doing all this for over a year and a half thankfully ranks were not deleted but open your eyes if you can see this thought process is bad.

and they are focusing on this instead of fixing the actual problems hey lets take away stuff from people instead of fixing the current problems sound logic right?

first you think gold is enough to keep pvp players in pvp nope

and what is next on their chopping block probably something you will spend the next year and a half building up

what would pve players do if they said hey legendary weps don’t fit into our plans anymore we are deleting them.

not a valid point you say just because someone doesn’t care about something doesn’t mean that no one does

it is a bad track to start down deleting things people spend time, effort, and or money building up if you cant see that I cant help you.

seems legit use all the boosters why didn’t any of the pvp players think of that?

oh right we are not bots and there was no possible way to use over 947 boosters even using them for hours every single day because they kept being rewarded with reward chests, dailies, ach chests. While they stopped from dailies a little while ago they still drop from reward chests.

But hey as long as pve players are happy right?

what does it matter if mmr is broken or certain cheese builds or maps are not being fixed not to mention countless bugs

what does it matter if this sets a standard that once something doesn’t “fit” with their vision anymore its is just deleted no matter what it is or how long it took to accumulate.

long time pvp players were leaving before this now lot more will seeing pvp keep favoring pve more and more might as well make pvp into pve.

Justin ODell.9517:

This isn’t circular reasoning.

We’re not saying we are going to do nothing because we said we would do nothing.

We’re saying we won’t change direction (from the previously stated plans) because it would put many players at a disadvantage, and on top of that these players would be hurt because they listened to us.

We seriously considered many different options, and doing nothing seemed the most fair. Do you disagree? Keep in mind, more people used boosters than did not.

sneaky posting in regular text instead of red tag but to answer you point what are you trying to accomplish?

if your goal is to drive all the players that have done only pvp since start out of pvp and make it all pve hotjoin heroes and the ones only in it for achievement hunting also mainly pve players then gratz come tomorrow that’s what you will have~!

seriously pvp is the only mode I know that keeps rewarding the newer players while the older players keep getting the short end of the stick.

its bad enough you added gold to try to flood the pvp areas with more pve players with the lure of gold, but to make gold the ONLY currency in pvp ….just wow anyone that has played only pvp can tell you they are the poorest players since gold was only added few weeks ago and not retroactively rewarded.

before someone jumps in crying they are asking something for free any pvp players couldn’t care less about gold, but we do care about is constantly getting the short end of the stick. first you wanted to delete ranks now you are deleting glory, glory boosters, crafting mats, reward chests, basically everything pvp ever got in favor of the new gold reward that wont help older players stay just get more pve players into pvp.

here is a thought I don’t know try fixing the things that ARE BROKE and then worry about trying to delete everything that pvp players built up over the year and a half invested into pvp.

or better yet try actually being fair tell me how people that used their boosters for 400-800 glory gain will get cheated by rewarding 100 glory per unused booster?

sigh stuck with pvp through all the bad and the worse but this is it cant get on board with this new line of thinking because not going to have everything deleted on a whim again look at your past history.

you tried deleting ranks (failed thankfully)

now you are deleting everything else that pvp rewarded since 3 day head start.

personally have over 400 boosters couldn’t possible used since they keep dropping from reward chests and know many others with 500-900+ boosters that will get deleted tomorrow without even 100 glory per booster because you claim its “fair” right sounds like favoring pve players again to me, but whatever keep aiming for a pve player casual only pvp you can close down team and solo q for a massive hotjoin zerg…………..wait that’s wvw my bad (end sarcasm)

really disappointed in anets treatment of pvp and them constantly messing over the older players

Orangensaft.7139:

BlueZone.4236:

Glory is a currency used in PvP. Coin is a currency used PvE/WvW.
Glory boosters are used to boost glory gain. Coin boosters are used to boost coin gain.
Glory currency is being phased out in favor of coin currency.
Therefore, the logical step is glory boosters being converted into deleted boosters.

flawless logic

So by that logic its natural to assume that by “fair” they should do the same thing to pve as they are doing to pvp right?

but we saw what happened when they only decided to alter boosts effects on karma and what a fuss that caused can only imagine the outrage if they treated pve the same as pvp deleting past pve dailies since day 1 but naturally that would mean they would have to retire karma too right karma = pve and glory = pvp ……………

see the flaw in the logic yet?

try pvp players that been at this game since 3 day head start easily 400+ boosters that cant possible be used in time, even when they use them every day since we were told this.

argument why people cant turn boosters in for glory (suggested by many to be around 100 glory per booster) I just don’t get it. Do the people that used their booster and got what 400-800 glory per booster feel cheated by people asking for only 100 glory for their booster they cant possibly use in time?

I am still stumped how anet claims they want to be “fair” but justify deleting everything that pvp players got from dailies for over a year ( for those that don’t know they are deleting glory, glory boosters , and crafting mats…aka basically all pvp rewards before they added gold short while ago).

here is a tip you want to get more people into pvp try not making people that have been with pvp with since the start feel like they are getting cheated again losing things they earned. you tried to delete ranks too but thankfully enough people said it was a bad idea and the decision was reverted…for now at least.

point is

people use their boosters 400-800 glory per booster

people cant use them all 100 glory per booster (seriously tell me why this isn’t fair?)

you reward people who could use them with more and people that just couldn’t get something at least same glory just less

come on don’t you think pvp suffered enough?

Allie Murdock.8152:

Hey guys, we actually have an update that is very relevant to this and should hopefully answer some questions. I’ll be adding this to the FAQ sticky.

• Players will still have glory and some of their boosters but not be able to earn any more.

I would like to know what this means.

What do you mean by “some of their boosters”?

Also by ’not be able to earn any more" I assume you mean boosters …..I mean what is the point of a glory booster that cant earn glory; unless you are letting them turn into glory consumables worth only a fraction of glory that you would get if you had used then which I would be fine with.

Leeto.1570:

Too late for this, they said use up your glory boosters and i did.
In what way it would be fair to me that you didnt use your glory boosters? Will i get my 200+ glory boosters now back if they decide to give reward for them?
If you dont use them that means you dont need them, if you dont need them then dont cry about them beeing removed.

I am glad that you were able to use up all your boosters but you had 200 as you said. There are people that had 900 1000+ boosters and its seems a little off to ask people to use up a year and a half worth of boosters within a 3 month time frame.

As for your reasoning you got glory from your booster we are not asking for something different minimum amount gained if used is 400 glory per booster most average around 800 when they use them. I fail to see the point that you would be missing out on anything if people that tried to use them, but had too many are compensated 100 glory per booster. why you ask because using them rewards you 4-8x more.

As for why people save them I cant really say it differs from person to person some that have school save them and use them during summer when they can play a lot. Some that have work save them when they take vacations and can put time into pvp.

point is do you want to delete something that people earned (yes doing pvp dailies didn’t seem like much but taking away all rewards for doing something sends a very bad message)

I used the analogy of pvp because its what most people can relate to if karma was suddenly to be removed that would cause chaos; as we say when they were just removing the bonus karma gained on consumables they quickly reverted this to allow people to use their karma jugs that were (yes saved) karma jugs were also an item from a daily .

Just because you don’t care about an item doesn’t mean everyone doesn’t and no one is asking for something for free just that they care and if I could choose I would rather take the full boosters and be able to use them gaining full glory but as that does not look like an option the reduced glory seemed the best solution to be fair for those that did pvp daily every day and simply had too many.

Most importantly this is about what message they are sending to the players

They tried to get rid of ranks (changed their minds based on player reaction)

They are now trying to remove everything else (deleting something someone earned is never a good sign because what is next why try to earn stuff that could be up and deleted on a whim)

Point is they are trying to get people into pvp not drive people out. If you really think about it if ranks had been removed like they wanted and now all the dailies are being removed (crafting mats and glory boosters) as well as glory itself what would the people that have played pvp since 3 day head start have………that’s right nothing armor is becoming universal so we wouldn’t even have that.

So how does it effect anyone that used their booster and got the full 4-8x the glory gain to let those that tried and couldn’t use them all get the small reduced glory of 100 per booster this would allow them to get something for their effort such as maybe some levels towards an alt to change game modes if pvp dies with next patch…yes not ideal but better than nothing.

It is never a good message to delete something that people had to earn.

why? because what is next on the chopping block?

Most importantly if they do delete something you worked for what is to say the next thing you work for is not deleted as well and the next thing and so on; its a bad message to send to players you want to stay and lays a dark road towards the games sustainable future and player base.

care to elaborate?

I doubt a dev will answer or make a comment, but I sincerely hope that they will do the right thing and send the right message that they do care about pvp and the time and effort their players put into it and not simply delete things that took time to earn.

basically they posted they wanted to be fair we understand they need to revamp pvp to get more people interested, but taking a step back and looking at what is coming:
march 18
no improvements to pvp
removal of pvp rewards
removal of glory
the removal of all past pvp daily rewards from reward chest (glory boosters, crafting mats)

I don’t know really they tried to remove ranks and now they are removing everything else

don’t get me wrong I am happy that some could use all their boosters, but for others it just wasn’t near possible despite trying to use them first time we were told of this

some will have hundreds of boosters left should they be punished and lose what they worked to get?

rewarding something more than what a booster is worth was never the idea, The fully glory as if you had used the booster wouldn’t be right either as some did use them.

a reduced amount of glory less than if you had actually used it would be fair as you are getting less than if you had used it and nothing different in return other than its original purpose glory.

But take some time to think if you want people to see the message you don’t care about pvp or the work people put into it as that is how it might come across

first ranks were up for removal (reverted)

now everything else is up for removal (please let us have something to show for our work)

if this trend continues not only will pvp lose people, but who will play pvp seeing everything done in the first year try to get removed?

what message will you send to your current and future players?

Dosvidaniya.3260

“I disagree.

They aren’t deleting effort and work."

This is the only point I will touch on as you have made some valid points. However, by definition it takes effort and or work to diligently log on and complete the pvp dailies every single day. Yes, they are not deleting progression (not that they didn’t try) remember back when they said they were removing ranks? Thankfully with the player base hugely against this they decided to revert their decision and keep ranks or this would have completely wiped everything done in pvp since start. They decided to keep ranks since that was very important to players (progression), but now they are deleting everything else crafting mats, glory boosters and glory. Had ranks left what would we be left with….nothing since armor will be universal. To sum up they are currently on the track to delete all effort and work put into pvp in the form of deleting all our rewards and only reason we are left with ranks is because people said something.

we are not asking for anything unfair just maybe 100 glory per booster (4x less than minimum glory gain when used) . I would not be against something else but glory would have least effect on economy and they are getting rid of it anyway. call it a show of good faith that they care what people do and accomplish in their game and value the players time, work and or effort put into their game.

Look players cant always understand why developers do and make the decisions they do, but just take a step back and please reconsider what message you are acutally sending to your players.

For the future of your game you decided to do away with glory for reasons we cannot understand at this point in time and that is ok, but what message is it sending that you are deleting boosters and all other pvp dailies since game started?

If you look at it from a player perspective the message you are sending us is something along the lines of we are deleting your previous work and effort because it does not fit into our future image of pvp.

We understand you want to make pvp better for the players but if you do delete their work and effort without at least something in return what is stopping them from thinking you wont do the exact same thing to them again?

No one wants to play a game that says we will delete your effort and work at any time because it doesn’t fit with our plans anymore and you cant blame them.

At least consider giving partial glory less than if they had used them for the boosters after all glory has not damaging effects on the market you can get account bound pvp gear or levels for your alts.

All I am saying is that if you are looking to make pvp more attractive and gain more players the message that we will delete your time and effort without reimbursement sends the exact opposite message at least let people use they glory they worked for before glory is removed is that too much to ask?

+1 if you agree if not say what you would like to see or why

now now didn’t the last patch say they wanted to be fair? they wont give us anything at all not even partial glory from what we saved and earned since day 1, but remember the pve players that casually started playing pvp since they introduced actual rewards aka gold got to use theirs so all is fair even if the pvp players are getting all their pvp daily rewards since day 1 just deleted without anything in return. I think that by fair they mean same thing will happen to pve we should expect to see karma deleted as a currency along with all other pve daily rewards since day 1 (too sarcastic?) im sure anyone could imagine the reaction to that the forums would flood with the pve masses and the idea would change or compensate like when they took away bonus glory from boosters on consumables.

long story short at this point I don’t even think they care as long as the pve players got their few boosters used doesn’t matter that the pvp masses still have hundreds of boosters and crafting mats left despite using them from when we were told. take a look at the state of pvp at tell me honestly march 18 not improvements just basically deleting all our hard work really………I got nothing else to say on that.

pve constantly preferential treatment in rewards, updates, attention, ect

pvp constantly under rewarded, constantly ignored, and now deleting all daily items pvp players worked for since game launched

come march 18th id be amazed if there are any pvp players left that are not just pve casuals or ach hunters just for rank points

I stuck with pvp since beginning through all the bad and the very bad, but I cant put any positive spin on flat out deleting things people worked over a year for.

unless they find a way to at least give the pvp players something for the items they worked for since day 1 this will probably be the last straw in the pvp story

is it too much to just reward something like 100 glory for each un used booster?
here is the math
no game lasts 14 min unless they are farming but we will use 2x the norm 7 min games
14 min game 1 hour booster 4 games per booster ex 400 glory MINIMUM USED
those that used them got the 400+ for them

those that tried but couldn’t use them is 100 glory per booster really that much or you still insist we deserve nothing for working for these every day since start?

oops forgot they were deleting crafting mats too so I guess all the work from pvp dailies is getting deleted.

why does anet treat its pvp players so badly? I am sure you would know how the pve players would react if you up and decided to delete all their past pvp dailies.

I can see it now karma is no longer a currency we will now be deleting all past karma those of you that saved it will lose that amount and those that spent it will go into negative kama you will have to earn your way back to 0 karma; the mystic coins and currency that was earned needs to go to as to be fair to pvp players (this would never happen but you get the point).

If you claim you want to be fair then do something fair that’s all we ask!!!

hmm lets try a different route glory = for pvp what karma = for pve I know pvp player base is small but how do you think pve players would react if suddenly they decided to drop karma as a currency then take away all karma you had earned from dailies of the past. remember back in the good days when dailies were giving karma jugs and they made that mistake of nerfing karma bonus in the amount each jug would give with bonus ( this is only boosted portion) That made such a fuss in pve they reverted it and gave them the time they needed to use them . All im asking is that we can actually use what we earn and if there is not enough time give us less than if we had actually used it, because one way or another we either had to earn it in game by doing dailies or paid for them in the form of bl keys or outright in gem store.

they want to treat their player base fairly right why should pvp get one of their main dailies just deleted when you know what a fuss that would make in pve?

double standard? I like to think not!

feel free to agree or disagree

if you agree with op then +1 maybe dev will notice and do at least something (probably not, but were staying positive here)

if you disagree or feel something in it should change state what or why

Took the time and effort to put this together for constructive ideas to help the players of gw2!

please read fully to get a complete understanding of the constructive thoughts in this post thank you!

timeline of the events that occurred:

First time we hear of pvp glory removal, no date was given nor any indication it was anytime soon.
Player vs. Player Rewards Roadmap
by John Corpening on December 2, 2013
Updated Reward System

“We are not ready to discuss this system in detail yet, as it is still being developed, but more information will come as we get closer to being able to release this system.

Once this new system is in place, glory will be retired as a currency, and gold will be the standard currency across the game. All existing glory vendors will be removed at this time. We will give advance warning when this is coming so you can spend all of your existing glory before that happens."

Glory Boosters stopped being being sold in the Gem Store at February 11, 2014

I believe the next post is the first we hear of the glory boosters just being deleted and that this would happen on march 18th I don’t believe we were given a date before this: however, if I am wrong please post first time.

Allie Murdock

Community Coordinator

“No, the glory boosters will not be replaced, but they will be removed. The new rewards system is going to be awesome, so it should balance out. I realize that’s less than ideal, but it had to be done. " February 17, 2014 22:55

Unless there is mention of the date glory is being removed or mention of boosters just flat out being deleted before this, I would like to draw your attention to the dates.

feb 11 boosters stop being sold in gem store

feb 17 told boosters would just be trashed/deleted no compensation whatsoever 5 days “after” they stop selling them………seems legit or fair?

continuing on

tues feb 25th

Allie Murdock

Community Coordinator

Q: Why aren’t people with glory boosters being compensated with different boosters or something along those lines?
A: We will not be converting glory boosters because we announced that we would be phasing out glory in John’s blog post and it wouldn’t be fair to the players that used up all of their boosters since then in preparation for it. However, players that spent gems to purchase glory boosters directly that have not used the booster will be eligible for a refund. For those that did purchase them, they can file a ticket here.

hmm

so we were told dec 2nd in vague detain that glory would be removed at some point in the future with no date.

feb 11 boosters stopped being sold

feb 17 we are told they will be deleted march 18th

so people saving boosters for free times like summer break from school or vacation from work get told in dec that there are plans to remove glory as a currency sometime in the future but not given a date or told any time soon; start using their 500-900 glory boosters casually lets say 1 or 2 a day given that they could play pvp a solid 1-2 hours every single day.

dec 2-march 18 = 107 days

lets go for minimum 500 boosters just doing dailies and ach chests

500/107= 4.67 hours pvp only daily

900/107= 8.41 hours pvp only every single day

we are people not bots we need to eat, sleep, some work, some have school. ect

not to mention other things such as sickness, unexpected issues, if you want people to enjoy other aspects of the game such as living story or rl things like friends, Olympics, socializing. yes these are not necessary except eating and sleeping and some school and work to pay for stuff that supports this game.

my point is the last post says:

" it wouldn’t be fair to the players that used up all of their boosters since then in preparation for it."

people that have been with your game since beta/3day head start of gw2 that have been saving these boosters by either working hard and diligently go collect them every day for the higher ranks having 500-900 you cant ask people to play 5-10 hours only pvp every single day we are not bots; how is deleting their hard work “fair” to them or is being fair to all your players not a high priority?

those that used their boosters got the use and glory out of them by using them, im not asking for anything free or unfair. I am not even asking for the glory that would have been gained by actually using the booster here look at this:

booster lasts 1 hour lets say 15 min game is 4 games every 1hour
if game lasts 15 min that’s 100 ex glory 100×4= 400 glory per booster minimum if used
even if you just rewarded half or less say 100-200 glory per booster you could let those that worked hard and diligently to collect these get something for their hard work!

thank you for your time and consideration!

in my opinion the reward system for super adventure box was the best system they have and don’t know why they cant do that for these special event items. Why should luck be rewarded over hard work, dedication, and skill…and no that is not elitist, luck should be a reward, but shouldn’t be the top tier reward. Meaning skilled, hard working, and or dedication should be at least the same rewards as luck, here is what I mean.

3 players

player 1 skilled player rewarded with level 80 characters, dungeon gear, and fotm token ascended gear

player 2 hard working player rewarded with level 80 characters, dungeon gear, some fotm ascended gear, level 500 crafting ascended gear, and generally some money from dedicated farming of mobs, world bosses, or many hours of play time

player 3 everything and anything in the game why because they are lucky they get lucky drops precursors, big money rare event items, special luck only ascended teq hoard chest ( cant sell teq hoard but it is obtainable by luck drop only), which they can turn around and sell to make money and buy more stuff and why does luck reward the highest again?

I am not one of the few blessed lucky ones and that’s fine this isn’t really about who is the richest person in the game its about fun and enjoyment so I think the best system is sab because of this :

sab system has 3 ways to get items

1) as always the lucky drop

2) playing through the content for item

3) token system

3 is the best system in my opinion why, because even if you are really unlucky as many are; they can work hard and still get the item they want by playing the content enough to get the tokens and exchange it for their item

YES that’s what I am asking if you bring back some one time only skins aka jetpack, monocle, ect you should bring the rest back as well greatsaw, ghastly grinning shield, ect. The 2 main reasons for this being :

1) you give people that weren’t lucky or missed the chance a chance to get one and not pay the high tp prices

2) you don’t bring back 1 time only skins and you will get prices like ghastly shield 3500 gold doesn’t make sense to brink back some one time only skins and not the rest then your just driving the price of the other skins you chose not to bring back to astronomical prices

its like telling half the players we are bringing your items back and the other half your items will never come back what would be fair is; if your bring some back, bring them all back!

why is no1 getting the point I am trying to make.

I don’t care if skins that were one time only come back in fact I am all for it I don’t believe that skins should be one time only because of people having different things come up in life and might miss something. However for some reason they made 1 time only skins and my point is this and only this:

1) if you are going to bring some 1 time only skins back, but not others you are basically choosing to devalue only some peoples investments and items.

To make it clearer

If you bring some 1 time only skins back bring them all back so everyone has a fair shot at them all not just some and some never coming back

ps wasn’t really taking gem store items but I guess that can be a valid point

……um maybe my point was missed but its basically this:

1) always be fair; meaning, if you bring some 1 time only skins back you should bring them all back.

here is an example customer A buys limited edition one time only wep that is listed for 1000 gold because that is the only way to get it in the game as it has 0 chance to be obtained by any other way anymore. However customer B either gets one free as drop through luck as they start dropping again or pays lower price 500 gold, because they are dropping in game again.

…but later same wep comes back to game and someone gets it as drop for free and price listed falls

again I don’t care that weps come back, but it should be all 1 time only weps to make it fair to all not hey you have a one time only wep that never came back worth 1000 but someone else has a 1 time wep that was never supposed to come back but did now theirs is worth less than half what it was. What is done to some 1 time only weps should be done to all 1 time only weps either:

A) bring no 1 time only weps back (that ship has sailed as some already came back)

or

B) give everyone a chance at all the one time only weps again not just bring back some of the 1 time only weps leaving others never coming back.

seems unfair to those that have 1 time only weps to only bring some back and not all of them; that make a little more sense on what I was trying to ask?

This isn’t another complaint thread its a thread for getting a understanding of what is happening!

Is this latest update a double standard or are the other skins that were unobtainable going to make a comeback as well; aka year 1 Halloween weps and such seems unfair to undercut and devalue just some items like jetpack that was selling near 700? Now listed around 400-500, but not bring back the ghastly grinning shield selling at 3500 as that may seem or come across as a double standard to only bring back some 1 time only items.

You stated that rare 1 time event items will not be back, items like ghastly grinning shield from Halloween year 1, molten jetpack from molten facility, ect. This latest update seemed to bring back the molten jetpack and other 1 time only items thus decreasing their value on tp another thing that was told would not happen .

However I will remain objective as there are two sides to this.

1) those that got lucky drop during event or bought it off tp; for whatever high price item was at, either got undercut trying to sell a once rare item or felt cheated paying a huge price for items that were thought to be unobtainable any other way.

2) those that did not get lucky drop first time round and could never afford the price on the tp can have another chance at the 1 time only item

so the objective side feels great that those that missed the opportunity to get this have another chance, however cant help but feel bad for those that had to pay that high price under the information that it was not coming back or those that were selling theirs.

Which brings me to my final question.

1) are other one time only skins making a return so all have a fair chance at all one time only items, or is this going to remain a double standard that will likely frustrate and maybe anger the player base as only some 1 time only items will ever make a return?

everyone has their opinions some feel that one time only skins should never come back staying rare. others feel that 1 time only skins should make a return as some tried their best but were just unlucky and did not receive one. I do not care either way my only concern is that only some 1 time only items are retuning making it a double standard.

ps again no rage posts and no debating if 1 time only items should or should not return; this is only about some 1 time only items returning and some not.

keep it constructive!

Allie Murdock.8152:

Before you derail my thread, why don’t you wait for me to actually answer the question. Yes, the intent is to have answers on the forums. We will also be talking about them on Ready Up next week.

I doubt they will actually be posted specifically in this thread though. It will likely be a sticky and a bit more formal-looking.

So by this I can safely assume that those of us asking questions wont get any answers of any kind till next Friday if you answer our question at all?

Allie Murdock.8152:

Hey everyone,

We’ve been noticing that a lot of you have questions about the Glory Removal update that is coming on March 18th in the maintenance build. So, I’m opening this thread up for everyone to post their questions here, and we will answer as much as we can.

Thanks!

I think the question on most peoples minds is why are you deleting glory boosters without any compensation for what people worked for everyday saving up or paid for in the gem store?

Don’t get me wrong I don’t want anything free or rewards that are greater than actually using the boosters, but a lot of people worked diligently on pvp dailies every day saving these up to use when they had time like summer break for school people or vacations for people that work.

Doesn’t seem fair that you are just trashing peoples money or hard work when there are many things that could be done with the boosters here are some:

1) turn them into glory (less than would have got if the booster had been used)

2) turn them into different boosters (rank boosters, forge them for random boosters)

3) let them be turned into a merchant for other items or small money amounts

4) let them be thrown into mystic forge 4 boosters = something random

5) there are many different approaches to this with out strait out deleting and making people feel all their work or money was for nothing; as I am sure if you just randomly deleted all the items from pve daily the pve players would not be too pleased as are the pvp players are now!

pvp players have been getting the bad deals since start such as initially no money karma basically anything else that could be used in the rest of the game for doing pvp. Just deleting the only items from pvp daily that could actually be saved up for some use a lot more will probably leave pvp since it does have a lot of faults now as people pointed out with 4v5, afk, leavers, and some bad rank matchup systems. As it stand those that played the legit way earning their rank and saving boosters to use when they had the free time are being punished for not glory farming their high ranks like all the skyhammer farmers did. maybe its just me but seems unfair!

well…..I found this post in the forum called “Halp! Open Match Chests Nao?”

Allie Murdock

Community Coordinator

“No, the glory boosters will not be replaced, but they will be removed. The new rewards system is going to be awesome, so it should balance out. I realize that’s less than ideal, but it had to be done.”

really hope this is a bad joke or way to lose the faith of your loyal paying customers. Telling people the date you will delete glory boosters right after you stop selling them seems a bit dishonest and deceitful for a company. What is going through my mind is what will you deem to be “worthless” next time deleting an item you sell people and people have to work for ….just wow think I am done supporting the game through purchases in the fear of what you will randomly decide to delete next.

entropy.9613:

cerberus.1937:

not only were they dropping after that they were selling them up till this month isn’t that bait and switch? something along the lines of hey lets sell this item till the last possible moment then after we take them off sale lets tell them we are deleting them a month or less later……seriously???

Selling known useless products is fraud.

Unless an expiry date was communicated at the point of sale, the consumer should be afforded a ‘reasonable’ window of time in which to use the product.

wrong term was used but point remained valid saying that glory would be phased out eventually sometime in the future in December no date was given. Sure enough right AFTER they stopped selling the boosters in the game store the date magically showed up and with a time frame of a month or less sound fishy? maybe its just me but selling items you are knowingly going to delete is bad enough but the company knowing full well when the item was going to be gone and not telling the customer buying the item until after they stop selling them is messed up on its own; not to mention deleting items people either paid for or worked for without any compensation of any kind at all. I had some faith that anet would do the right thing and stand by its customers but not so sure anymore, what is next after glory boosters? If the just delete items that people pay and work for like this with nothing at all in return what is to stop them from deleting anything else ….other boosters, in game armor, weapons…..where does it stop?

not only were they dropping after that they were selling them up till this month isn’t that bait and switch? something along the lines of hey lets sell this item till the last possible moment then after we take them off sale lets tell them we are deleting them a month or less later……seriously??? either way they are deleting an item someone has worked for or paid for which just isn’t right, yes I am using them and have been using them since we were told in December, but like most people cant possible hope to sue them all I will still have over 300 left probably people that cant play at least 1 hour every day will have many more.

as for the tile its meant to be read as a question there wasn’t enough room for "Is it really true that players are going to be cheated in march 18th patch "so I had to paraphrase true players are going to be cheated as a question.

I find this disturbing if this is really true that the glory boosters that were either earned or paid for with gems or real life money are just going to be deleted with no compensation whatsoever and here is why.

1) we got told about this in December even playing only pvp 1 hour every single day since we were told this many people would even be through 20% of the boosters they attained and I know others have many more as well.

2) your answer cant be play more because as human beings and not bots we have lives some have school, some have jobs, some have social lives, and there are those with all of the above. Its great when people can play gw2 for a solid 8 hours every single day but many cant which is why even when using our boosters like we were told we wouldn’t have any hope of getting close to even using 25-50% of the boosters some have.

3) there could be many options to help people not feel cheated just by deleting something they have earned or paid for here are some examples:
1) turn boosters into set amount of glory doesn’t have to be as much as they would have got if they had used them but at least something

2) you could make glory boosters forgeable 4 glory boosters = 1 random booster

3) you could make a tab in your glory merchant to turn glory boosters into something else anything else really just so that you wont be spitting on people’s hard work or money

4) you could turn them into a new easily attainable item that the new system would be using or leave them inactive till you can change them into something

5) at the very least you could turn them into a junk item that could be sold to at least get some sort of compensation even though a few copper might be a slap in the face at least its better than nothing

so can you please do something to show the people you care what they do in your game so you are not just deleting their money and or hard work?

request #227267
replied to your last email and would like to thank you for taking the time to fix the issue and explain the situation!

thanks again!

request #227267

requesting a response from a manager or supervisor as there are additional concerns that were left unanswered in sent emails. Having one person tell me one thing then waste my time to create a ticket and wait to not have an answer for over a week; I don’t appreciate being lied to and would appreciate an answer from someone that can clear things up.

request #227267
person that responded didn’t even read the issue so I still have not been helped just someone who skimmed and came to the wrong conclusion. over 1 week still waiting; I hope that since the issue seemed to be time sensitive it wont be held against me as it was support that didn’t respond in over a week .

request #227267

going on a week now and not so much as a how can we help you. I sure hope the issue isn’t time sensitive since not 1 person has even given me 1 response since I sent the ticket over a week ago.

Basically a thread to list ideas and suggestions to improve or make the game more fun to play. Any ideas can be posted, but try to keep it clean; no bashing or complaints there are many other threads for it.

thank you!

1) now that ascended weps and armor are out there are some people in game that prefer not to craft, so what if the boxes that dropped allowed you to pick a stat set you wanted? This would allow those lucky enough to get one to drop for them to get a stat set they can use rather than getting a magi set for a zerker or a zerker set for a tank. This would also help lets say one person got 2 wep or armor chests and they like ptv gear but both sets are magi this would allow for choice instead of trying to rebuild their setup.

2) what if there was a free for all area of the game that had some kind of amazing reward that wouldn’t make people feel they have to join, but still make them want to try. Ill try to explain example: a area where there is a hidden or challenge locked reward. The area would be free for all, if teams are allowed must have friendly fire or something to keep people from zerging people. The setup could be any map and similar combat to wvw , but no allies everyone for themselves. Reward can be something like a effect glow, special effect of some kind, or cosmetic only stuff; no gear, ach points, gold, titles, miniatures, basically nothing collectors or perfectionists feel the need to have.

3) anywhere outside of city duels. Specifics at later time but maybe something where you can challenge anyone to a duel and either fight there or an instance where you can be interrupted by outsiders. Rewards can be put up by players (if this is the case both parties must accept before match starts) or no rewards at all even, just the duels would be nice.

4) for those wanting a challenge how about a hardcore mode. This could be similar to gw1 hard mode or completely new such as remake new character in hardcore much better rewards but if you die that’s it character is gone meaning you lose everything on that character (the ultimate challenge game with no reset) the penalty for dying doesn’t necessarily have to be that severe but you get the idea.

5) maybe a 1v1 automated tourney in pvp best 100 bracket. similar to old team tourney style winning team moves on but would be 1v1, maybe even a 2v2 tag or team style. Could add something similar to hall of heroes as reward as winning person gets better chance at exclusive skins or something.

6) underwater wvw fights. I don’t mean like little bit of water in front of bay, I mean whole castles , keeps, or garrisons underwater. This doesn’t mean whole map has to be underwater either but I thing a few defendable points underwater or even an underworld below wvw to defend stuff there would be cool.

7) more things like queens gauntlet. I do not mean the farm I mean bring back old or new epic bosses we can fight 1v1 for a cool 1 time reward even would be nice.

these are just some thoughts and ideas feel free to add yours and keep it nice; good luck and have fun!

I ask if any means any like karma armor ect because; from a logical standpoint they only have one real use that I can see that’s removing the high quality infusions like +50 agony resist from gear that’s it. I might consider buying some if I know they can be used on karma armor, ascended armor and the future legendary armor. Yes I know its cheaper to just buy any rune set off the tp by a lot but they want to sell something for karma runes extractor or future legendary armor saving tool then it needs to be clear.

generally I would agree but with the word play on the gifting event fiasco I would rather be sure.
example: buy any item for a friend get same item for yourself ANY QUANTITY 40% off was later changed to a 1 to 1 40% off via wording misunderstanding.

so will this salvage ANY upgrades from ANY gear aka dwayna runes from dwayna gear (no matter runes salvaged to MUCH cheaper buying complete rune set off tp rather than buying 6 of these upgrade extractors); and also work on ascended gear and future legendary gear?

Here is the items description: “Use the Upgrade Extractor to remove ANY upgrade from ANY item, without destroying either the upgrade or the item!”

Question: It says ANY item does this mean we can salvage upgrades from armor that can not be salvaged aka karma armor and such?

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resolved I think (got back items that I know I lost, not sure I lost any other items in mail, but got back all items I know I was missing) thank you for the customer support and time spent looking into this unfortunate bugged mail issue!

so what are you looking for as far as changes to the incinerator?

-bigger longer lasting footfalls?

-some kind of fire aura?

-equipping it sets your whole character on fire (more funny than practical but would be cool fro some people)?

-some people like the effects incinerator has, some don’t; what would you change or do you like it as is?

some people might like the 1% auto on monthly some may think its too much. How would you change this or would you even change it.

example for monthly you get 500pts toward account luck 500pts= less than 50 blue salvages with worst possible luck (50 10pt essences assuming you don’t get 2 for 1 salvage)

at level 100 you need 4080 for 1% mf so 500 would be 1/8 bar and it keep going up so your not even 1/3 way to max increasing each level

also you can only get 1 per month so if you spend a lot of gold or farm a lot you have to wait till next month to get another reward. keeping this in mind it would be greater the higher you are, but you have to get that high some way and 1% may indeed be too much so share your thoughts

Olba.5376:

cerberus.1937:

So taking that new idea and making the monthly just give 1% auto account mf on completion so people cant save them for last levels does that seem more fair or still too much/too little?

It might be not too much right now, but a month or two from now, it sure as heck would be a ton.

So adding the +1% monthly would be like ANet saying “Yeah, spend this month spamming Masterworks so that you can maximize the benefit for your monthly next month”.

well always looking for ideas so if you think 1% is too much, then do you agree with monthly not amounting to anything even in low 100%, how would you change it or would you even change it?

So taking that new idea and making the monthly just give 1% auto account mf on completion so people cant save them for last levels does that seem more fair or still too much/too little?

very true that 1% may not seem like much but with what we get now the 500 pts towards luck bar once you pass the level 41 luck rank it doesn’t add up to even 1%; not to mention the higher levels where it might not fill 10% of the bar towards the next 1%.

so that’s why I made it a question some might say 1% is too much, some might say not enough just looking for opinions or ideas