Guild Wars 2

nearlight.3064:

Salamander.2504:

nearlight.3064:

Blood magic doesn’t work very well with celestial. The siphons don’t scale well enough to be worth taking over the perma-weakness and PoC and plague sending in Curses. Transfusion is a good trait, but you honestly need to build much tankier if you want to take on the role of a primary rezzer.

Life from Death has a healing coefficient of 1.5, and works great with celestial.
Without celestial=747 aoe heal at full health, 972 below 75%, or 1197 below 50%
With Celestial=1587 aoe heal at full health, 1812 below 75%, or 2037 below 50%

This skill rocks. Blood magic with celestial rocks. I love rocks.

Regardless the role of the cele signet necromancer is to do 1v1s and +1 smaller fights. While blood gives you better support in teamfights, it fails to be as useful as curses in smaller fights, nor does it give any meaningful additional personal sustain in teamfights. If anything curses is better for teamfights simply for more condi bombs and weakening shroud to negate melee bursts.

But I can 1v1 better on a rabid Condi build, with all the benefits on signets and might stacking. I can also provide more pressure, albeit off point.
I’m not arguing Curses vs Blood for Celestial. Not at all. I’m saying celestial stats aren’t utilised properly by the build that is up on meta battle, because, as you can see above, they aren’t. Okay, yeah I left out regen from staff 2, and we do have access to some conditions obviously. But yeah, my reasons for saying celestial is not a great build seem to be standing still. Everything people are saying they use their Cele Signetmancer for can be done with other Necromancer builds but better and faster (Yes, possibly including dying faster for power necros :P)

PlatinumMember.5274:

Apparently being brutally honest in this forum is bad. So let me trying being nice, you don’t know what you are talking about. Celes is a good NECROMancer build whether you agree or not.

The build on the meta battle website is not a good build. Celestial anything should utilise as many of the stats on the amulet as possible, but this build does not.
The toughness and vitality mean it can take a hit and some focus. The power, precision and Ferocity all obviously beneficial but still aren’t as high as they would be from a proper power build. The condition damage is wasted with such weak condition application. Cele Dhuumfire build for example can be useful, as can Cele Condi with a Scepter in the weapons. The healing power is wasted with only one skill passively benefitting from it, Signet of Vamp (which isn’t a well balanced skill), and 2 CD’s Dagger 2 and Signet of Locust. If a build is going to take Cele stats and try and be an all rounder it should invest in trait lines that benefit from the stats, such as Blood Magic maybe? Instead this build tries to do too many things at once and only succeeds at one, Boon Corruption. Yes, has excellent boon corruption: So do all Signet builds. Yes, it has good self might stacking: So do all power builds. Yes it can take a hit, so can a Rabid or Valk or Marauders. It isn’t a build that is properly utilising itself. So in my opinion, it isn’t a good build.
I won’t deny it worked for Abjured, but that was quite situational. Not many Necro’s can say they are going to have to hold their own against the best players in the world.
What are your reasons otherwise?

Piotr.3261:

Yes it is. I’m running cele signet and it’s great, counters very well cele ele, condi engi and burn guardian (if You do it properly, watch out for aegis), has a lot more survivability and can hold points much better than powernecro. I see a lot of ppl on EU running cele signet.

btw if it’s working on tournaments it will work even better in solo q.

Necro builds can counter Condi Engi and Condi guard, hell, condi anything.

samulihei.1952:

If you go by definition how many votes something gets then Cele signet should be the go to since it has 13 votes which most of all Meta/Great builds. Next on the line is GS/Hammer War with 5. So by that definition 1 or 2 ppl have decided all but 2 of the Meta/Great builds.

I didn’t realise all the numbers were so low. Like I said, I signed up yesterday to rate Cele Signet. It’s quite amazing to be honest. I use meta battle when I want to see what build it is (most likely) that just beat me, or if I want to try something completely new. I know a lot of people use it, I mean, a hell of a lot, yet so people are involved in rating the builds… Guess the point stands that more folks should get involved in the rating.

A quick message to all: I saw this post yesterday and laughed my kitten off briefly, before signing up to Metabattle to rate the celestial signet build. Took me 2 minutes. I gave it a ‘Bad’ for obvious reasons. You can do the same.
The build has been voted on 13 times. 13. 13 people decided this was ‘meta’? Until more people start using that website it is going to be the joke of the sPvP community. Do your profession a solid, sign up and rate that kittene.

EDIT: Apologies, I was under the impression that 13 votes was a small number of people to deem a build meta. This is not the case at all on the site. I still stand by my previous opinions in that the build is far from what I would deem great.

Nightshade.2570:

I do not know how many of you saw this..

I largely agreed with this review. I did Love Reaper shroud and though I tried very hard to make all aspects of the reaper work for me this weekend I could not get past the shout and great sword issues mentioned in the article below.

I think Reaper has a lot of potential but in general, it seems this article appropriately reflects the general consensus.

http://www.tentonhammer.com/preview/guild-wars-2-reaper-first-impressions

What do you guys think of Blighter’s Boon? I thought it was amazing as power, but I was playing in WvW and PvP. I can understand how weak it might be in Solo play.
But yeah, we have this guy saying it was underwhelming, and folks on the PvP forum screaming for a nerf as it offers too much sustain… Where do you guys sit?

2/2
Traits: (I like the trait line but a few things seem like they should be baseline with the way the specialisation is at the moment.)
Augury of Death: No one is every going to run more than one of your shouts, so why not make baseline for Necromancer shouts They already suck compared to Tempest, Guard and Warrior shouts. Give them something special.
Relentless Pursuit: Amazing trait. You have to take it in WvW or PvP. Have to. You designed the reaper around an idea that can be countered by Immob, Cripple and Chill, then you force us to take a trait that reduces its effects?
Soul Eater: Life Siphon still sucks. That hasn’t changed. Seriously. Scale is properly or something.
Chilling Victory: We have so much Might. Thanks for more might. And more might. Maybe we could share some of this with allies? So people actually like us? I don’t mean give us a blast, I know you don’t want us to be THAT useful.
Decimate Defenses: Amazing, used it in WvW and PvE for power builds. Glorious trait. Don’t nerf it.
Blighter’s Boon: Awesome trait for WvW raiding with Guards, otherwise a bit weak.
Deathly Chill: Too weak. In a changing meta where condi’s are becoming king, and Necromancers have horrible condition application (we have the manipulation and its awesome. I’m talking about application), maybe give us our own really good condition? That is really strong?
Reaper’s Onslaught: Typical power choice. Cool trait.

The reaper feels nice. I like it. The greatsword sucks, so unless you change it’s damage by a large margin and change up some of the radii and cast times/directions I see power Necro’s sticking with dagger, which is a depressing sentiment. Reaper shroud is lovely.
PvE: Still no place for us. Guess we’ll have to see what challenging content brings, but I’m not hopeful.
sPvP: No way of seeing that far ahead. I had fun, but I always have fun PvPing my Necro and being underestimated by opponents. Fix GS if you want it to see it in sPvP. Shouts don’t have much of a place in Conquest, but Stronghold will see a couple of them used.
WvW: If the new borderland allows for teams for 15-25 to play in a GvG style to travel and fight successfully with melee trains etc, and the pirate ship finally gets sunk, I see reaper being a great addition to the melee train. It is just built for it. I had great fun on Saturday night raiding with my reaper, and really hope I’m able to on the new borderland.

(1/2)
I’m an all-rounder in GW. As a player, I sPvP most days as Necro, Mes, Warr, Engi, Ele or Ranger, do a daily Fractals 50 as a thief or ele and I WvW with a raiding guild 4 nights a week as my Necro normally, or as a Guard or Warrior. I’m gonna throw my 2 pence in from these perspectives. I’ll leave the number crunching to those who have the time to do so, and will keep observations in a realm of how the reaper ‘felt’. Excuse the rushed feel of the post, but I have a deadline due Wednesday and have to leave tomorrow (and miss the rest of the weekend D;), so I don’t have time to make check and polish it.

Greatsword: (Not enough LF gen, doesn’t hit hard enough)
Auto attack. PvE, PvP, WvW. Useless. To warrant being that slow it needs to hit like a kittening truck. In PvE it felt kitten porr, in PvP it was too easy for the enemy to avoid. In the WvW melee train it was okay but the damage was still too low.
Gravedigger: PvE, PvP, WvW: Good skill, seems alright. Wasn’t hitting hard enough for my liking. I like the CD reduction.
Death Spiral: Cool skill. PvE, PvP, WvW: Needs to pierce as well, as the cone (I think?) was too tricky to aim.
Nightfall: Any blind on a weapon skill is always appreciated. I like the skill, feels okay in all game modes. Dark fields are crap, but you told us you don’t want us having good fields so idk.
Grasping Darkness: Will have to compare to Guard GS. For a skill that is directional and only 600 range it’s CD is too long. Can be quite buggy. Due to yet another HUGE cast time, issues arise. It needs to land where you are facing at the end of the cast, not the start of the cast. ¾ of a second of facing one way? Doesn’t work out good to stay still that long. Also, seems to bugs on different elevations, meaning it suffers from the same crap as spectral grasp. 5 targets when it does land successfully seems overpowered.

Reaper Shroud: (Feels nice. Attack speed is good, damage is good.)
Auto chain feels lovely. Would love if the cleave distance matched the length of the scythe, but yeah, would be a little unfair. All in all, feels really nice in all game modes and looks freaking incredible.
Death’s Charge: What a pain in the kitten to land. Great gap closer. If it stays as it is I wouldn’t mind. The blind is nice and thank you for the projectile block. I would have loved an evade. I know you don’t want us to have evade, but w/e. Good skill, I like.
Infusing Terror: It’s good, but a bit more radius on terrify would be appreciated. When you’re waving that big scythe around it easy to feel like your radius is bigger than it is.
Soul Spiral: A little more radius maybe? Feels good. Doesn’t hit as hard as life transfer? Well, didn’t feel like it did anyway. I like the skill.
Executioners Scythe: This one seemed riddled with bugs, mostly involving elementalists. It lands, does no damage, get absorbed when the ele has no absorbs up. Tested this in arena, seemed to be linked to the diamond skin trait. While you fix it, change 90% to 95%, eh? Wouldn’t mind a longer cast time in exchange for more damage? Make it more kill shott-y? On a 30 second CD it needs to hurt.

Shouts: (Overall lacklustre. Didn’t find myself using many of them after testing them all. Damage is rubbish, not enough benefit, no utility, and cast times… more cast times… Mesmers wet dream)
Your Soul is Mine: LF gen is good. More damage or more healing please, one or the other.
You Are All Weaklings: Scrap the might and give us something else. We are good for might since the changes, so maybe some vigor or regen or something. Stab is okay but not exactly a good source or time on a 30 second cooldown.
Suffer: Either the damage needs a buff or the Cooldown needs a reduction to make this viable. I have other condi transfer that is better, why take this?
Nothing can save you: This is a good shout. Used it in PvP and WvW. I like it. Damage is low but once I dropped the greatsword for dagger in my PvP matches I didn’t mind th low damage as the other benefits are awesome.
Rise: Guys, why haven’t you fired the guy who came up with this kitten?
Chilled to the bone: Used for quite a while, I like it but it’s not my cup of tea in PvP. Went back to plague. Seems alright, but too much like so many other skills (Basilisk, Jade sea, etc etc) and just not that interesting. Needless to say the shouts were useless in PvE.

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

Whats the time in UK, when its 3:00 p.m. Pacific Time (UTC-7) ?
Thanks

UK is currently using UTC, or British Summer Time.
If 3PM PT is UTC -7, well… Yeah.

It would appear the account pages are now broken.
Also, yet possibly unrelated, half my guild can’t log in right now after the game crashed.

Bhawb.7408:

Assuming they properly balance the rest of the specialization,
Reaper’s only big weakness will be that you have to play Necromancer to use it
, and base Necromancer is still a really awful setup.

This is so wonderfully quotable. I might get it on a t shirt for Eurogamer this fall.

Ellsy.6780:

Dezert Stormz.7248:

No comments of anet apperantly?

It’s still only 8AM for PST. I’m hoping we’ll hear something from them during the business day.

I bloody well hope so. The speed is a joke.

Slow download. Can confirm.

It’s my class, man. I played it in GW1, in GW2 at Conventions pre beta, during beta, early release, all that jazz. I leveled to 80, explored the whole world and did all the dungeons before I realised the faults in the profession from a competitive side. I’m invested in my main.

That being said, I also play Engi, Warr and Mesmer in PvP to a reasonable level, and WvW with my Guard and meta-PvE with my Thief. It’s not like we’ve all just been sitting on our Necro’s in a dark corner of LA, curled up in the foetal position crying about how broken we are. We want change, and it’s worth kicking up a fuss for. The Devs don’t listen at the Cons when you meet them, so maybe if we shout enough on here it’ll get through (Robert Gee is listening, which is nice).

+1 this. Good idea.

Haven’t seen it uploaded yet, coming soon Bhawb?

@Regina: Just want to put my 2 pence in. Prices are grand, no problems there. In game items seem cool. Very disappointed that there is a physical collectors edition, but I can understand you probably have financial reasons for not being able to do one. Also quite disappointed that I can’t buy an Ultimate Edition from a retailer. My partner and I would both be buying the Ultimate if we could get a physical box. We liked boxed games. And Books. We’re old fashioned. So we will probably only be buying the Standard Edition.
Feel like this prepurchase scheme may have been rushed through to gather some revenue and could have been thought out better to include the desires of more players. Saying that unfortunately makes me sound entitled like those who are currently moaning about prices and packages… What can ya do….

When meeting Forgal in the sewers, you enter the instance inside a large pile of rubble. Unfortunately you can’t get out of said rubble, meaning you can’t go and meet him to continue the story. Guessing this occurred since the Lions Arch building works commenced.
Please let the consortium civil engineers and surveyors know as soon as you can.

I’m mostly asking Gaile directly as she communicated with someone regarding the Bunny Ears item recently.

Any ideas Gaile?

Randulf.7614:

That was caithe’s dagger I believe

It was indeed.

Can we expect to see this item back on the gem store any time soon? I wasn’t playing when it was available but would love to get my hands on it.

Abimes.9726:

“I teleport” was ironic if you didn’t get it ^^ .
I made my point i see no need to discuss it forever. (Btw reaper is inspired by slow things like pyramid head, etc…)

Oh I got the irony, but really?

RS2 is not an adequate gap closer against kiting professions. We will be kited. I don’t care how short the CD is, it will not be effective.

ronpierce.2760:

Abimes.9726:

@Getzzzonked
A shout that teleport ? Just ask for a wurm rework then xD … No seriously shout teleporting make no sence … “I Teleport”.

Necrocopter reflect in front of necromancer is something that have been asked a lot and it make sence. ( Unlike “I teleport”)

@ xGalaxy
it’s probably your navigator , It works fine on my macbook , my laptop and my desktop ( Safari , mozilla)

Technically with offensive shouts, it’s not that unrealistic. Something, though it sounds a kitteneesy, but this would be pretty useful.
“Where am I?” : Aoe blind and teleport to your target. breaks stuns. 30 second CD.

Something like that. The idea is the shout blinds them in darkness as you haunt the enemy. Kind of neat actually…

Someone with some imagination. ‘I teleport’, geez….

It’s a Reaper, a legendary executioner and bringer of doom. A shout such as, nothing can save you….
Shouting Nothing Can Save You! whilst you swoop forward in a swirl of horrific black and blue pixels, applying vulnerability and making your attacks unblockable for a short time. Now that is a good utility. Lengthen the CD, even the cast time. Make it possible to Counter.

EDIT: So yeah, maybe not a teleport. But their are ways of keeping in line with the concept and providing some meaningful movement. A sprint, instead of a teleport. Imagine how cool that would be, a necro yelling Nothing Can Save You as he sprints towards you with a greatsword.
Or hell, make that a 60 second elite if it’s too OP for all the doted on professions in the game.

Give one of the Shouts a Teleport, increase cast time and/or cooldown to balance. Would help us deal with strong kiting classes.
Give Necrocopter projectile reflect. As it goes through enemies, and doesn’t stop at them, it could make for more interesting gameplay.

Dhampyr.2813:

this elite may fill another role for us however. we tend to get focused in team fights. im hoping this specialization is an attempted to fix that. Scaling shouts based on numbers of enemys sound good

I do welcome that, but it seems a bit experimental in comparison to the quicker fix, e.g. Some form of Invulnerability or Evade.

“Reaper shouts differ from warrior and guardian shouts in that they focus more on harming foes than they do on bolstering allies.”
That’s all I need to hear.
I’ll wait for the stream, and I will likely main Necro through all the new solo world content. But I’ll still have to log onto my Thief if I want a Fractal 50, and I’ll still need to play my Mesmer or Warrior or anything else when I want to PvP with a team. This might be fun for roaming, but that’s not a mode I play often.

It looks awesome. But doesn’t address the prevalent issue Necromancers have: No one wants us in their party because we provide nothing. Damaging dealing (and Non-support) shouts aren’t going to help that.

Excuse the title. I’m trying to keep the humor alive, because not doing so would probably cause me to break down in tears.
For two and a half years we have been asking for utility. Team. Based. Utility.
You give us shouts! Huzzah! Or not. Damaging shouts. Great for a class that was maybe lacking some damage dealing utilities but had plenty of team support, such as a guard or warrior, but the Necro? I mean, really? We have zero team utility, which has led to us being unwanted in sPvP and PvE (in the competitive sphere), a problem we are very concerned with and thought you understood and wanted to amend. Clearly not. We are going to continue to be a class unwelcome in any and all of your team based game modes (And I don’t count Wellomancer, due to your unbelievable lack of support for the WvW GvG scene). GG guys.

Yes, I’ll probably still play my Necro to try out this new specialisation and have some fun. But I severely doubt it will be my main. Revenant is calling. Also, thanks for the Jagged Horrors? Reading that was like you twisting the knife. GG.

Still no mobility, no evades, no invulnerability, no blast finishers. Instead, let’s buff life siphon (that is kitten and doesn’t work) and minions (that is also kitten, and doesn’t work).
I don’t understand why you won’t give us the tools to play competitively. You created this amazing game, filled with all these amazing combo’s and utility for team play, and you didn’t give any of it to Necromancers. I don’t understand.
I’m so excited for all the other professions. The changes are exciting, new and interesting. All except for Necromancers. Seriously Arena Net, sort your kitten out.

Also, I’d like to make a point that the casters (devs) discussing all the changes knew the traits for all the other professions, how they are made, what traits joined to make them, and what they did, so much better than they knew the Necromancer ones. Tonight it showed that you really don’t seem to give a kitten.

2 more in Soul Reaping for Foot in the Grave. 3 seconds of stability every 6 seconds is epic for WvW group fights.

Muchacho.2390:

getzzzonked.7609:

Muchacho.2390:

Pelopidas.2140:

Same with power necro, i find power necro very effective, cause soft cc+5k life blasts+condis(dhuumfire, DS#2+5)=easy wins.

How the hell do you get 5k life blasts in spvp? 25 stacks might+ 25stack blood lust?

You can push 7k life blasts as a full glass cannon. Not recommended unless you’re playing with a team who will keep people off your back though.

7k lifeblasts in spvp? Sorry but until i see that i cannot belive it, so would you be so nice to prove me that this is possible?

55 seconds in, 6.1k with only 7 stacks of Vul and full might. No BL sigil, and he isn’t running Blood is Power. I’m not watching the whole video to look for more though, sorry.
EDIT: I mention Blood is power, cos getting 25 stacks can be tricky in a fight, as things die so fast.

NeXeD.3042:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNBIhZakjmeartx4G2bTcMUQFlRHAHw2S9TMFxKA-TZhHwAEOFAMLDA4BAE4IAke/BA

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNArYWjc0UTbtNe2wfbighSyW4DiuBCgzlykIKA-TJxHwAA3f4YZAxnCAAPBAA

Icky. I can’t get on with Condi. Dull as kitten. I like the first one, seems reasonably competitive.

Nemesis

He has everything you need. Whether you wanan go Power, Condi, Hybrid etc.

These are the guides you’re looking for.

NeXeD.3042:

I love when I run into glass cannon necros, easy kill. They can’t get away, lifeblast cast so slow and so easy to dodge. If they are dagger just kite em, if they are axe just dodge or interrupt axe 2 gg.

What do you play?

Muchacho.2390:

Pelopidas.2140:

Same with power necro, i find power necro very effective, cause soft cc+5k life blasts+condis(dhuumfire, DS#2+5)=easy wins.

How the hell do you get 5k life blasts in spvp? 25 stacks might+ 25stack blood lust?

You can push 7k life blasts as a full glass cannon. Not recommended unless you’re playing with a team who will keep people off your back though.

To OP: You want the profession to be something it’s not. I personally hate playing Condi, and am a full on Powermancer. If you expect to be able to go 1v1, or 2v1 with ANY other profession, you’re expecting too much.

As a glass cannon, if I meet any other glass cannon, I stand a chance. If I stay out of the way and nuke a point with team mates holding it, I dominate.
BUT, if I try to go up against a Bunker Anything, or a Condi anything, I’m kittened. I get over it and move on.

It sounds like you want Necro to be the best at whatever you want it to do, but that’s not how sPvP balance works. Everything has a kitten in it’s armour. Find what your Necro’s is and don’t let anyone near it.

Hi ANet,

Just curious, you wouldn’t happen to be running stress tests at the moment would you? 4 or 5 people in our guild have been periodically disconnecting at the same time, different folks each time for the last 24 hours ish. Is this being caused on your end?

Thanks very much

So much rage right now ANet. I’ve been playing this game casually since freaking release. I have a life, I can’t spend hours and hours a day playing. I can’t put real money into gem store exchanges for gold. I can’t spend my time flipping the trading post. I get home from work and all I want to do is spend a little time gaming, doing my daily, earning some silver, collecting mats.
That said, as soon as I saw The Bifrost, I knew I needed it. I’ve been saving mats, karma, the lot. I now have all the gifts, ready and waiting for the day I get my Precursor.

I’ve been saving now for about 6 months, little by little, selling all the mats I find, exchanging my laurels for things to sell. I’ve sold my mini pets, everything. And a month and a half ago I hit 500 gold. I was so close to being able to buy the precursor out right on the Trading Post and make my beautiful Bifrost. An hour of gaming a night for 21 months. I come back from an Easter Holiday with my family, and guess what.

I’m now 900 gold away from affording a precursor. What was a mere 200 gold gap is now nine-kittening-hundred. Genuinely, sort your kitten out. I’m no kittening economist, but this kitten has to stop. Some how, some way. The community seem to have a lot of input, maybe listen to them.

Don’t worry yourself, you won’t lose a player. I bought this game and I’m going to continue to play most nights for about an hour for the forseeable future. But any hope you had of me buying gems from you is long gone. I won’t support a system that kittens all over the casual player while preaching about horizontal progression.

/rage over

I’ve been working towards this too. Makes more sense that you only get one piece… A full set seemed too generous :P

Amazing two days. My first taste of sPvP viewing and I’m hooked now. Great shout casting, great atmosphere, and very good play from The Civilised Gentlemen! Congrats!

Accusing people like Vol and FireGoth of buying gems, or using the bugs that existed early on is just plain sad. Suck it up people. I’m a casual player who has played since launch, and I started working towards my legendary about 3 and a half weeks ago. I’m already 48% of the way there. I made a spreadsheet that takes into account everything I need (including tokens for dungeon gift, BoH etc) except for the precursor.

On weekdays I only play an hour or two at most to get my daily, and on the weekends I play all the time unless I’m travelling. Doing my daily in Orr each day has got me tonnes of the mats I need. I have most of the wood planks I need for the gift of wood and nearly half the tier 6 mats. 3 and a half weeks people?! Why are you being such kittenes? It isn’t hard!

If you are buying all your mats on the trading post, you’re making the process a lot less legendary for yourselves. Get yourself a MF set, wipe away the tears and get into Orr.

MikeT.9428:

Bullcat.5461:

Can’t wait to create my very first character, a Charr Engineer.

A few off topic points. I don’t mean to offend you if you are a regular with MMO’s.

Don’t be a clicker, practice with the keyboard if you want to have a chance at WvW or PVP. You’ll need to use the mouse for camera control and/or movement.

PVE for the engi isn’t as easy as with other classes. Although the toolkit is pretty great for WvW. For PVE you might be better off with the flamethrower, bombkit, or grenades if you can stand them.

Good luck out there!

I agree with this to a point, but maybe if you could clarify a bit more?

I use a mixture of both. One thing I do a lot on my Necro is strafe when I kite, but I’ve never thought/been able to/tried to do that with just the mouse :/

I’ve played Necromancer from release, a profession that I enjoy, but genuinely has about 16 bugs still affecting it in large ways (depending on spec).
I’ve changed to an Engineer, as I don’t see many about and it seems like a very fun profession to play. I’m really enjoying it so far.
After reading the forums for a little while, I can already see that A) You guys are farrrrr more patient than the Necros. We just don’t stop whining. And That I seem to have changed to a yet another profession that gets no love from Devs.

Brb rerolling warrior

My problem with my Necro has NEVER been surviving. I never die, it’s great. I don’t get taken to dungeons because of my kittene Damage output. I’ve tried a variety of specs, but everyone knows it now: Necros can’t hit for kitten.
AoE centric fights, I’m win. Single target? Be better off bringing a level 60 warrior wielding a baby quaggan.
Any Necro here who has done HotW, Svanir have very high health pools. Our Warrior and Guadian died and the second/third boss of Path 1 (the guy with the balcony on either side of him) took 40 minutes. 40 Minutes of me hitting the boss with everything I had, plus a thief and a Ele.
The damage in this game just seems so imbalanced. I don’t know the numbers at all, but I know that when I kill kitten on the Mesmer or Guardian, it kittening dies, 10 times faster and using far less skills than on my Necro.

SonicTHI.3217:

getzzzonked.7609:

Conner.4702:

You couldn’t be more wrong bluejay. Grinding skill points IS horizontal progression. Due to the nature of the 8 slot skillbar you plateau your powerlevel. Gaining new skills didn’t gain you more power it made you more versatile. So while you are able to do specific content easier it doesn’t mean the other player can’t do it with the exact same build without grinding out skillpoints by thinking his builds ahead.

Yes and no. The meta game in GW1 made it a lot more like vertical progression than you are letting on.
You would grind skill points to get more skills to keep up with what other people were doing and how they were playing.

What a load of kittens. The small fee for a skill was a higher “grind” than getting the measly 15k XP for a skill point and the only meta to speak of was the one in PVP and there you didnt need skill points at all.

As Enzi said, as new content was released you weren’t able to stay the same and not change up how you play. Apologies for saying meta and making you rage so hard you kitten yourself.

CoRtex.2157:

bluejay.6739:

The core problem is that the players complaining about ‘not having horizontal progression like in GW1’ are so off base about GW1 that it is confusing the conversation.

Uggh, you must have been a noob at GW1 for sure… Did you actually do FowSc or UwSc or any speedclear at all? GW1 is 100% horizontal. You can create a character, get him to 20, and you can go where ever you like to go. You want to do fow? you run to toa, you want to finish all missions, fine you’ll do that, you want to vanquish stuff, fine. There is nothing you need to do before to start those things. Buying max armor is cheap, so are runes & max weapons. And you can get them anywhere, any time you want.

Skills? you can unlock them from level 1 with tomes. How can you say that the skill system creates vertical prog.??? it’s not like you have to buy skill A to get skill B.. You choose whatever skill you’d like first. Ughh >_<

Please.. don’t talk kitten about gw1 if you don’t know how the game works.

Huzzah!

Conner.4702:

You couldn’t be more wrong bluejay. Grinding skill points IS horizontal progression. Due to the nature of the 8 slot skillbar you plateau your powerlevel. Gaining new skills didn’t gain you more power it made you more versatile. So while you are able to do specific content easier it doesn’t mean the other player can’t do it with the exact same build without grinding out skillpoints by thinking his builds ahead.

Yes and no. The meta game in GW1 made it a lot more like vertical progression than you are letting on.
You would grind skill points to get more skills to keep up with what other people were doing and how they were playing.

If it wasn’t Fiesbert (OP) saying this I’d totally scream troll, but this dude has provided a lot of theorycrafting and help to the Necro community in the way of getting to the bottom of bugs, researching base weapon damages and helping players understand Necros.

On that basis, I look forward to seeing the video dude. Sounds very interesting.

I went Gaelic with mine. Single word, no want for a title.

Donall (Pronounced Do[p. Doe]-nall[p. like hall, ball, tall].

Couldn’t be happier <3

Pretty sure Chronomancer and Summoner were part of a wiki article Colin Johanson did for this years April Fools.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/March_2012:_State_of_the_Game