Guild Wars 2

The Boz.2038:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Conan.8046:

Totally unbalanced.

However when a guardian and thief go down its totally cool the guardian wins.

Depends on the situation. If it’s a 2v2. Thief wins because it’s harder to stomp a thief than a guard.

Same with the ranger vs guardian situation: in a 2v2, the guardian wins.

Depends on who starts the stab stomp first actually. But yes if two people try to stomp without stab. Unless you account for the ranger’s possible wolf fear and/or wolf tackle.

Conan.8046:

Totally unbalanced.

However when a guardian and thief go down its totally cool the guardian wins.

Depends on the situation. If it’s a 2v2. Thief wins because it’s harder to stomp a thief than a guard.

Atherakhia.4086:

Ranger #2 isn’t a knockback.
Ranger #3 can be interrupted by more than a knockback.

Why are we talking about this instead of why downed state even exists in the first place…

It isn’t a kb but it has an aoe interrupt. #3 you can delay the res, but the pet will still go back to what it was doing.

swiftpaw, it’s about time you stop loitering spvp forums for a bit and go back to wvw and pve mate. If you can beat another spirit ranger with a spirit ranger, that means you understand the matchup better. But even so, you are on the same playing field as them or should be given that they didn’t kitten up their spirit ranger spec. At the end of the day it’s imbalanced and takes less skill to learn than most other builds.

The Boz.2038:

You take the pistol instead of the rocket launcher because you can use it in cramped areas, don’t have to worry about back-blast, have more than one shot, and don’t feel like lugging around a twenty pound metal beam.
But, as it can be seen, not everyone knows about the downsides.

Lol, you again. You fill in the details that aren’t true. This rocket launcher has infinite shots, and pistol has just one barrel that you have to use sparingly. The rocket launcher is designed to have no back-blast and it’s super light.

Regardless, no point in having a better time in cramped situations if that situation never comes up. But on the serious note about my point, those classes are far superior and have a low skill cap. That’s why people choose them.

It should remove you from the queue if you log off if you are not matched yet. If you do get matched however, it’ll count as a loss. And they are there because people don’t like having disadvantages, if you can get a rocket launcher instead of a pistol—why not take the rocket launcher? The real question is why we are even able to get a rocket launcher in the first place.

JinDaVikk.7291:

over 50 percent of my matches were temple.

11 rounds
6 temple
2 skyhammer
2 lecgacy
1 nifhel..

Where was spirit watch?

Random my kitten seems a few people have temple more often that not. Out of 6 maps 50 percent shouldn’t exist.

Instead of completely denying it why not check?
Geez.

Because they want us to believe them like the Final Rest was super rare to get and not a bug in their system.

A good thing to implement is a ‘preferred’ map feature or take a map out of the pool if the greatest difference between the 2nd most played map is like 3 or something.

Veydar.5017:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

butch.8136:

From an individual standpoint it’s kinda easy. You cap points and try to kill. Your build will always do dmg and you’ll always be able to heal yourself.
From a team standpoint there’s more depth, agreed. But dumbing the entire game down to team deathmatch wouldn’t work. Most games have extra objectives.

In gw1 both the individual and team skill floor were pretty high. Though that game still managed to get a pretty decent sized community.

I think the concept is easy. Cap & kill & defend. However, it’s the small things people never learn that make it more complex such as identifying a build immediately. Knowing when to cc someone (watch for stability boon), knowing when to disengage, becoming more proactively aware of possible condition aoes coming your way, etc. Players don’t learn this kind of stuff until they get into the big leagues and that’s only if they haven’t been discouraged before that point. I think having some sort of personal simulation with decent AIs would help new players learn things much faster.

Really, that’s what’s bothering you? People not learning the smallest thing as in extremely advanced stuff such as immediately identifying a build? I’d be a hell of a lot happier if people wouldn’t chase after opponents as a zerg while neglecting every single kitten point. Or if they wouldn’t all try to finish a downed player while the rest of the enemy team is still alive and kicking, which renders them completely useless for a few seconds and they usually end up dying giving the opponent an opportunity to rally.
There’s a buff at 8:30 in some kind of temple?! WTH?! Yes, there is! And you can’t claim it telepathically, big news!
So many players fail to understand – as the OP mentioned – the most basic aspects of this game, that I don’t give a kitten about details such as when to CC or whatnot. Basic teamplay and button mashing would already benefit teams a lot.

I guess complex is too big of a word to use to categorize these key pieces of knowledge players should keep in mind because it is still fairly simple. When I mentioned disengaging, I assumed that included not following zergs and whatnot. Knowing things such as buff times in ToSS helps too. Although your example about finishing someone is very situational so you can’t really just say don’t finish someone off is a rule of thumb among team fights but I get your general idea. Why are you so angry lol I am for tutorials of all kinds and in particular a training room that can provide simulations that you encounter in competitive play.

Bump for a new week!

You should join VZ

Achievement points are the quickest to get a lot while not having to pvp.

Any level is fine for the most part, you just have to look into the guild requirements which varies. If you take a look at the guild recruiting forums, you will have a huge selection to choose from and most of them will say if they have any hard requirements but most accept anybody willing to give them a shot. I tend to avoid application-based ones because I’m lazy but shoot recruiters an in-game mail or PM them and you should have some quick replies. GL

butch.8136:

From an individual standpoint it’s kinda easy. You cap points and try to kill. Your build will always do dmg and you’ll always be able to heal yourself.
From a team standpoint there’s more depth, agreed. But dumbing the entire game down to team deathmatch wouldn’t work. Most games have extra objectives.

In gw1 both the individual and team skill floor were pretty high. Though that game still managed to get a pretty decent sized community.

I think the concept is easy. Cap & kill & defend. However, it’s the small things people never learn that make it more complex such as identifying a build immediately. Knowing when to cc someone (watch for stability boon), knowing when to disengage, becoming more proactively aware of possible condition aoes coming your way, etc. Players don’t learn this kind of stuff until they get into the big leagues and that’s only if they haven’t been discouraged before that point. I think having some sort of personal simulation with decent AIs would help new players learn things much faster.

Mammoth.1975:

I’m serious man. Do some solo queue games when you get a chance. You can get to quite high rank and still be utterly clueless about how to win. There are so many people who do fine in a 1v1 situation yet have not one bit of understanding of positioning or rotation. People are failing to grasp the basics of the game. It needs to be made easier for them to understand.

Or maybe there could be like an ‘advanced tutorial’, with stuff like big red circles for you to not stand in, and a bit where an NPC puts bleed stacks on you so you have to use condition removal when they get too high, but if you use it too early it will be on cooldown when they get high again. The stuff that people are really struggling with right now. Then another bit where you have a team of NPCs and you choose a point to go to, but as soon as you create a mismatch for your team you lose.

We need a training room like in fighting games. Have the settings like:

-Apply the following conditions _________ @ condi dmg _______
-No cd on weapons
-Downed state
-Computer status (evade, attack, stand, etc.)
-Apply the following computer stats ________
-Other customization stuff

It’d help theory crafters come up with something other than spirit rangers. And normal people get experience w/o having to get discourage by tpvp and/or confused by hotjoin.

To get used to conquest, Anet should make smart AIs that you can play against such as in Dota2.

Down with the spirit rangers!

Retal can drop most thieves. For mesmers, I’d try to put a lot of pressure with hammer and gs.

butch.8136:

Lots of bad people are getting carried atm. The system is fresh, give it time.

Ah, that makes sense. I guess I wish I was one of the people who climbed up the ladder earlier so I didn’t have to deal with it haha jk

So…Is it just me or does the matchmaking put lower ranks all on one side with higher ranks on the other. Played a few games and either got rank < 20 on my team or seen it on the other. :S We should really show the mmr instead of ranks. Can’t tell if people are good and it’s their smurf, or they are really bad. I don’t mind helping newbies, but they are all so quiet and just wander around the map lol

Krayiss.4926:

Seriously? Im a noob then never saw it b4.

It’s ok :P it happens.

The animation for reaper’s mark and doom has been added, but the downed fear skill has always had the animation. If you look back it only talks about the staff skill and DS skill—it doesn’t mention the downed skill because it already had it. I am not disagreeing with you whether this is bad or not, just stating a fact that the downed skill already had it. :o

TooBz.3065:

one more stupid question. Is SoloQ the same as hotjoin?

SoloQ isn’t the same. It’s a 1man queue for rated 5v5 matches. So you will be paired up with 4 random people. Hotjoins are unrated and can be 8v8s or 5v5s. Honestly until the next balance patch, pick up a necro or spirit ranger and you’ll do fine.

Krayiss.4926:

There is no reason to have both. Learning char cues is fun. Giant Icons is not. If anything voice act everyskill so a char says it when a skill is used or give them better sounds. A giant icon is way to OP. Like I said its a problem when Ive never landed a downed fear since.
You still land some of your animated skills dont you? You cant with downed fear.

I think the downed fear has always had an icon O_o, so it’s not a nerf, it’s bad design really if you dislike it. On a side note, imo, engineers have the worst downed state.

Just buy sprocs from TP then do the 15 sprocs + 20s for 5 tickets from the vendors in the pavilion. You can get like 20 tickets for like 2-3g.

Yeah I don’t see notes on it either. I wonder maybe the champs are separated by regions?

Burst guard can be really good if your team has a lot of immobilizes or stuns. Without it you can probably play competitively near the 80-90% range, but afterwards a lot of people will just kite you. We have no weapon that’s actually good in following up our bursts.

edit: At best, you can use hammer to lock them in as posters have mentioned above but it’s not worth it otherwise

Using a scepter helps kill those annoying little orbs faster (scepter 2)

I enjoyed playing med guard for awhile but after getting cheese locked a bit by warriors with maces, I realized the lack of stability is a big issue. I might try the staff/gs build that stunningstyles introduced awhile back.

But yes, the main weaknesses of a dps guard is the lack of mobility and range. I spend half of the time chasing my opponents and missing. We do have scepter but…let’s face it, that isn’t a dps weapon lol. Give us a bow for crying out loud :< The bow spirit weapon is mocking me

Silentshoes.1805:

WOW. Why are those top players ALL on the same team???

The matching function is obviously naive.

Fix this or people are going to bail on SoloQ.

It has to have credibility, or people will leave it as they did the “premade soloQ”.

Syncing is a problem, but I’m much more offended about people saying they aren’t syncing, when they really are. lol (a different thread issue tho :P). I say down with the insta-matchmaking and randomize it with a pool of players over a course of maybe 2-4 minutes.

Krayiss.4926:

tichorum.2415:

And once again.. no, I didn’t sync. The reason I said “call it what you want” is because people will complain regardless of what is said.

Tichorum are you Mila Storm? You forgot to add names like Puff, H necro and Sivvy. 4+ games while in the same group 3 hours later?
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/SYNC-s-gotta-go-Pictures/first#post2575753

Ruh roh, evidence.

For the 2nd phase, her aoe move is like an hourglass imprinted onto the floor, which means there are two gaps of which you can safely range her on. Stay closer to the center so moving into those gaps are much easier and takes at most 1 dodge roll if you get unlucky. But kiting her in a circle near the center is pretty easy afterwards (make sure you get orrian truffle for +40 end regen and condi cleanse to remove cripple). For the 1st phase, just memorize the spawn patterns. Stay near the center as much as you can so you can avoid the aoes easier. Only go towards the light circle if a clone is nearby it. It’s a waste just camping a light circle if they are literally on the other side of the room. It’d be better to wait til they make it halfway by standing in the middle then kiting them to wherever.

edit: kill the orbs asap. yes, you can rally off them, but they can also be the main source of your deaths due to their pulling. I found easier to just look out for them and kill it immediately. also, her necrotic grasp can be strafed just like the grawl fractal boss’s agony arrow.

Nanashi.6297:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Nanashi.6297:

Brother Grimm.5176:

Danikat.8537:

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

To get the Liadri mini you just have to defeat the final boss of Queen’s Gauntlet. You don’t have to have five gambits active.

Ok that’s good then. It still doesn’t sound easy but at least it sounds like it might be possible for the majority of players.

Seriously, WHY should this even need to be possible for the majority of players? It’s suppose to be the most challenging battle in what the Devs specifically stated was the most difficult PvE combat content they have ever developed.

The world needs ditch diggers and despite the story making every player a hero, there should be content that some players just aren’t good enough to complete (rest assured, I’m one of those that likely can’t).

well I agree that there should be hard content but at least don’t make it temporary available. I hate it if I don’t have enough time to make every achievement and I have the bad feeling that it is like this with that fight. make hard things permanently available and make temporary things at least possible. it doesn’t need to be easy but it needs to be possible. But with only 5 people being able to win the fight before patch release I’m really disappointed. it only can mean that it’s way too hard under these circumstances. you need to farm tickets and then also only have one month time for it.

Getting tickets the easy way should cost at most 3g for like 20.

still you need time to get tickets. doesn’t matter if you farm tickets or gold for tickets.

It’s harder to farm them than it is to buy them for 15sprocs (get from TP) and 20s. Ideally a lot of people out there have more than 10g o_o. But yeah, if you are low on monies, it will take time. I just find it harder to actually farm a ticket than to just farm money and buy it.

Shinju.1083:

Stealth.9324:

Maybe you should Esport guild for a chance. I occasionally bump into girls here and there in that guilds. The guild is PvP focus.

I’m actually already in the Esports guild. I was one of it’s first members. My friend Android invited me to it a long time ago.

I’d highly encourage making sure whoever you invite are girls. Very suspicious people out there O_o. One of my guildies had a stalker once. Also, I’ll ask the girls in AOTM if they want more girl friends haha.

Yeah it took me awhile to realize what was burning my tickets. Or at least, don’t let the gambits disappear upon death.

Also, a good way is to just try to get your 30 balloons first. If you are planning to do that via wping to different maps, just make sure to take a pause when the emmissary event is going on, after it finishes and the gate opens, the champ event starts 5 minutes later. Since you only need like 5, you can just try to get the 30 balloon and if you bump into a champ event or emissary event that has already started, just camp it out for a bit. I ran into like 4 without trying :S

Day Trooper.3605:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

If you gotz monies, you can buy sprocs from the TP and do the 15 sprocs + 20s for 5 tickets. I got lazy farming and did that to do my many attempt at Liadri

Ah – I knew there had to be another, quicker means to get these tickets – thx for the info!

(Now, am I doomed to pull my hair out trying this on my Mesmer or should I do some other profession like Warrior? lol)

I did it with guard, but I reckon mesmer should be good at killing them since range is the better option for most fights (also their blurred frenzy and distortion helps a lot). Although, learn their mechanics from dulfy’s site just in case. I would have never guessed which moves were 1-hit kos without reading beforehand (it could save you another try!)

Nanashi.6297:

Brother Grimm.5176:

Danikat.8537:

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

To get the Liadri mini you just have to defeat the final boss of Queen’s Gauntlet. You don’t have to have five gambits active.

Ok that’s good then. It still doesn’t sound easy but at least it sounds like it might be possible for the majority of players.

Seriously, WHY should this even need to be possible for the majority of players? It’s suppose to be the most challenging battle in what the Devs specifically stated was the most difficult PvE combat content they have ever developed.

The world needs ditch diggers and despite the story making every player a hero, there should be content that some players just aren’t good enough to complete (rest assured, I’m one of those that likely can’t).

well I agree that there should be hard content but at least don’t make it temporary available. I hate it if I don’t have enough time to make every achievement and I have the bad feeling that it is like this with that fight. make hard things permanently available and make temporary things at least possible. it doesn’t need to be easy but it needs to be possible. But with only 5 people being able to win the fight before patch release I’m really disappointed. it only can mean that it’s way too hard under these circumstances. you need to farm tickets and then also only have one month time for it.

Getting tickets the easy way should cost at most 3g for like 20.

Honestly, in addition to build templates, they should give an item access to stats you’ve transmuted to it previously. So if I get knight’s gear, then zerk gear, then switch to celestial, the item should have the option to switch between those 3. It wouldn’t help the issue of the content catering to zerk specifically, but it’d allow any player who has gone zerk before but didn’t like it to be able to switch back to attempt content with.

If you gotz monies, you can buy sprocs from the TP and do the 15 sprocs + 20s for 5 tickets. I got lazy farming and did that to do my many attempt at Liadri

Go zerk guard, then use shield of absorption + hold the line + save yourselves. Use rolls to heal, block to heal, dodge to heal, and use shield of absorption near the end while your skills are getting off cooldown. If you don’t have zerker gear, it’s pretty hard with scepter. Normally, near the end, you can probably dps it down with GS or whatever because you can probably kill it b4 the aoe cleave kills his spawns. You can probably go scepter + shield & scepter + focus. And use sigil of energy to maximize endurance regen. Use your shield 5 away from subject 7. Kbing when his spawns are up will accidentally put him in the middle of other oozes, which will body block your scepter attacks.

I’ve always wondered why they go out of their way to make a different name. Let’s not call is Co-op let’s call it 2-Team Matches. Let’s not call it solo-q, let’s call it solo arena.

Wb Nettle! Been MIA for so long :<

Not sure if you want to put more effort into it — also not sure if it’s creepy but you can possibly hop onto different public PvP TS servers and pvp hop and when you bump into a fellow female gamer, you can ask if they are interested in joining. But this could also be super creepy.

So, seeing quite a few spirit rangers in this NA Pax tournament. If they are so easy to kill, why are top tier teams using them? They must be bad. This build must be balanced. rofl. I don’t want to eliminate viable builds for ranger—-I just want them to be balanced. I’ll keep a look out for teams using non-spirit rangers. But for now, I’m just going to laugh at everyone who keeps on thinking that it’s balanced.

Sol.4310:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

I’m not trying to tell everyone to stop playing ranger. I just want it to be known that the spirit build is imbalanced compared to other AI based builds. It needs to be changed and/or give other professions the same level of balance or just remove it period.

For those of you saying spirit ranger can be taken down easy and it’s a l2p. Why do people still run it? Obviously there is something about it that makes it better than other things.

For those who say it’s the only option. Yes, I’m actually sad about that. I hope there are more options in the future.

Why do people still run the spirit build, because its currently the best build on ranger for the current meta. So why would we stop playing our only viable build. Yes that’s right we have 1 viable build. And after many teams and player’s have started to learn how to play vs the spirit ranger, there becoming less and less viable vs good teams.

All you have done is whine about spirit’s but you haven’t stated any real fact’s, you don’t even play ranger as your main. So don’t come on here trying to say you know what your talking about when you don’t, most rangers understand our core problems and we deal with them on ranger forum’s.

I base my fact’s off TPvP where the real meta is not hotjoin’s or solo que.

Leave the balance to dev’s and let us ranger’s QQ about our own build’s.

GJ restating what I said except I’m not being a class-elitist about it. Sheesh. No real facts? Are you saying spirits don’t have easy access to protection? Have evades on weapon sets? Have one of the best condi cleanses in the game? I play all classes, so I am not some incompetent idiot flaunting random things out there. I’m not going to say I know more than you, but I’m not going to say you know more than me either. Tpvp w/o soloq? Where’s your team in tournaments? I haven’t heard of you at all. I know what meta is and I wouldnt even have to complain if rangers acknowledged it and made it more apparent that it’s a broken build. Seriously get off your high horse and back to the ranger forums if you are going to be a jerk about it.

Anyways, on topic though, they need to fix the bug. The tangent was mostly caused by someone saying it wasn’t a bug.

I’m not trying to tell everyone to stop playing ranger. I just want it to be known that the spirit build is imbalanced compared to other AI based builds. It needs to be changed and/or give other professions the same level of balance or just remove it period.

For those of you saying spirit ranger can be taken down easy and it’s a l2p. Why do people still run it? Obviously there is something about it that makes it better than other things.

For those who say it’s the only option. Yes, I’m actually sad about that. I hope there are more options in the future.

DevO.9854:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Parisalchuk.9230:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

urdriel.8496:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

urdriel.8496:

We are talking about a supposed DPS class whose only viable/op/imba/FOTM build is as SUPPORT because need a rework in each of their trait lines or weapons???

Delete ranger class pls.

I’m talking about a class that needs more focus on the class not their AIs.

I have a ranger and, yes, we need more focus on the CLASS, but you should talk with Anet, because when i choosed a ranger i thought it was a DPS class not a support one , people use Spirits build because each time Rangers have a nice build Anet nerf it, now rangers only have one VIABLE build in SPvP, blame Anet not rangers.

I didn’t mean to blame rangers. I just wanted to address the issue. I just can’t help it though when rangers think I want them to not exist. I just want them to be awesome, not OP.

Then dont say things like “Spirit rangers are the bottom-dwellers of no skill.” Im sorry we are playing the only viable build for our class in pvp.

I said spirit rangers specifically, and I still don’t think they require skill :S Other ranger builds, I reckon they would. It’s okay to be competitive, but it’s a build that needs to be looked at in the next balance patch. The other traitlines need to be looked at as well so rangers can stand their own ground without the pet. It’d be awesome if there was an elite to transfer the pet’s power to you and then the pet disappears for a bit while you wreck people solo. ideerno

Ok I’m going to stop you from your misconception you seem to be having trouble with. No one wants to play spirit ranger, people defend it because it is 1. the only viable build we have by a mile 2. You are overstating how strong it is.

Here is a fact, for you if you die to a spirit ranger with no sun spirit up you are bad at this game. I mean seriously its time to reevaluate your idea of being competitive and making balance suggestions.

Rangers without our spirits can dodge a few times and do no damage, please don’t overstate how good we are with no spirits.

PVE rangers want Spirits and pets to be good, generally no pvp ranger wants that, it is awful, you don’t need to prove that to us.

Honestly give me a setup where I can make use 1 spirit and a trap and a stunbreaker like lightening reflexes and be really versitile like I think rangers should be and I will be happy. However the issue is with trait lines it is all or nothing for us. Just so happens that all can be really good or that nothing is really bad.

It’s not a misconception, I know competitive players have no choice. I’m just not going to say that it’s a good build. It’s a horrible design. That’s it. Why do we need to feel insecure and protect something that’s bad?

Chokolata.1870:

I would say Necromancers or warriors require no skill either . hell, even thieves or elementalists are easy enough to play…

Honestly, this game is easy to play

This game is easy to play. But tpvp gets really dull when you see the same things over and over again.

Ryan.9387:

I don’t understand how people imagine that ranger is a low skill class. The spirits do absolutely nothing for you. Besides movement, the ranger controls every single aspect of a spirit. Saying “spirit AI OP” is ridiculous when the “AI” runs around in a circle.

In terms of skill, the gap between different skill levels of rangers is huge. Pit a random ranger versus someone who is a good ranger and you will watch the other ranger drop hard. The rangers who are covering conditions, using their actives wisely and evading well are the reason people are complaining and saying “op!”

The entire function of the ranger is to be the best homepoint defender and midpoint support. From what I gather, people on these forums want rangers to lose 1v1 versus any class specced for midpoint fights. Honestly, if Rangers were removed from the game people would complain about whatever class becomes the homepoint bunker because they won’t be able to beat a 1v1 spec with a teamfight spec.

Ranger has a lot of things that are a given such as a pet, arrows, spirits, etc. That’s usually why they are viewed as low skill. I thing rangers are hard to use for the most part, but spirit just make them ridiculous.