Guild Wars 2

Yeah, the loot from the champs at Jormag was removed totally when they revamped him the last time before the feature update. Now with the feature update they added more Champs (wolve and goliath are the old ones) to the fight and these champs can drop boxes at the moment.

I’m still not sure if that is now wanted or just an oversight and they also get the loot removed at some point.

I couldnt care less since i don’t play dungeons. Also i never bought exotic karma armor since i mostly prefer knight or berserker stuff. I only bought some exotic backitems for karma and i think i can live with the loss of some equisite ruby jewels somwhere in the future.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Beldin.5498:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Check out Wildstar. It is an improved version of WoW with the promise of a sub fee (that you can pay for with ingame money) but no cash shop, ever.

Fixed that for you.

Its a raid-grinder with WoW graphics .. what exactly has that in common with GW2 ?

Other than graphics and raids it really has nothing in common with WoW…

Dodging… GW2… not WoW
Active combat with limited combat abilities at one time… GW2… not WoW
Position based combat… GW2… not WoW

I guess it has a few things in common with WoW such as the trinity and challenging skill based content instead of stack and spam 1.

But the style of combat is much more similar to GW2. I guess you can say it is like WoW but with GW2 style combat.

In the end though it is a sub game in which there is NO gem store and the devs focus on making content to keep you playing instead of fluff to keep you paying.

That just the evolution in combat style we see more and more in MMOs these days. That is also hardly unique to GW2. Even Champions Online had already some more activ combat where you could move while using most skills and instead dodging we had active blocking. Then all these newer asia games like Vindictus and Tera.

However everything else .. the questing .. and of course the so called “endgame” is totally different. And after Rift i sweared i never again will touch an MMO with this raiding bs.

Jski.6180:

With the mega world set up they can add a lot more zones and make big events much harder with out the fear of having no one on that world to populate that zone. I think this LS season going to bring a lot more harder content to the game and we will see events become harder and more complex soon.

Really ? Harder Zones ? Sorry but i don’t think we need more Karka Islands. That zone is still dead with Megaserver beside the time when the Queen Event is running.

And that zone was especially created because so many players cried for their harder zones and that everything is too easy.

I’d rather see more zones like Frostgorge instead.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Check out Wildstar. It is an improved version of WoW with the promise of a sub fee (that you can pay for with ingame money) but no cash shop, ever.

Fixed that for you.

Its a raid-grinder with WoW graphics .. what exactly has that in common with GW2 ?

Just use the next WP to her spawn. I don’t see the need to give another Mob gazillions of HPs just because someone is too cheap to pay 1,40 silver for porting.
I have often just waitet at Pearl Isle and when she spawened portet to next WP, and never had a problem to reach here in time, mostly she had maybe 10-20% lost.

Instead of new races better remove Charr and suddenly we get twice as much or more new armor sets i bet

Scrambles.2604:

I too have found peace in running combat log instead of chat. Though i miss guild chat messages…but that’s a UI problem.

Not really .. you can simply turn of map chat why still seeing guild chat and whispers. Creating an extra tab for that is normally one of the things i always do in any MMO. Still after Everquest 2 this is the first MMO where i seldom felt the need to turn of map chats.

Donutdude.9582:

Finally, Guild Wars 2 is a wonderfully amazing game, even moreso with the introduction of Megaserver technology. I have been having amazing fun in the Harathi Hinterlands of late, smashing hordes of Centaurs to pieces with my fellow players. ’Tis been a real blast.

Even if there are also things i really dislike with the Megaserver, i see it at least also as a great step in the direction of getting new content in form of new zones.

In the past for me one of the reason against new zones was always that most of the zones were already empty, and more zones would only make that even worse. Also since we (or at least a lot of players) don’t really want a new level cap, and also thanks to the level scaling, we never need to go to those zones to level up if we don’t like them, since we can still level in Queensdale or whereever all day.

Megaserver for me is in that case really a step in the direction to create actually more new zones without creating more deserted zones.

Dean Calaway.9718:

Donutdude.9582:

To Dean Calaway.9718: The OP’s argument concerns new players coming to Queensdale as a Human, not as a hi-level player looking for champion kills.

Read my post again.

A new player doesn’t know where these champions are, they’ll like complete the map without ever seeing the train.

A new player CAN’T kill a champion.

On the slim chance a new player comes across the train while killing a champion, guess what? They score a kill, and get rewards.

No rewards, no train, new player stumbles across a champ & asks for help, NO ONE can be bother, he moves on doing something else.

The train is not “toxic” for new players, it’s “toxic” for trolls.

The original post by the OP shows he just likes to antagonize the train and he does so willingly on purpose, this “unfriendly for new players” is just a half kitten excuse for his behaviour.

^^ Exactly what i think (and wrote in some parts before)

Mostly the players that complain are those those oh so mighty heroes that search their “challenge” in killing lvl 10 champs with their fully geared 80s and the evil train is stealing them their “challenge”.

Danikat.8537:

I agree that those 4 are easiest and therefore good to start off with, but I’d also say it’s more important to play what you enjoy.

And i say it could also be very frustrating if you maybe like to play an Elementalist and die all the time since you first not only have to learn the mechanics of that class but you are also not common with the whole game mechanics.

Playing a not so squishy character helps in my eyes to learn first how the whole game world works. And even since some people (that never were newbies it seems) always say that everything is soooo easy, i think you can die here much easier than in any other MMO in the beginning.

Pifil.5193:

Donutdude.9582:

I remember during my Far Shiverpeaks days that I would run a “counter-train” to the main train. I received a lot of positive comments and even gold via mail!

So you ran this counter train with the specific purpose of disrupting the main train?

I’m not surprised you received positive comments, lots of people who play MMOs seem to like this kind of “griefing” especially when they have some kind of objection to whatever activity is being disrupted.

I can already see what happens there when we would really get duels in the open world. People that just run around Queensdale the whole day and duel-spam anyone running with the train .. lol

Charak.9761:

ESO p2p model is already failing itself.

Everyone that started playing ESO in my Guild now either is back to GW2 or Diablo3 .. if i could only understand why ?

Astroplatypus.4573:

The QD train is not an issue for all new players, it only affects the boring, unoriginal human players. The train indirectly makes it more enjoyable to start playing as a charr, asura, sylvari, or norn, and thereby encourages more character race diversity. I fully support the train for this reason!

The train doesn’t effected me at all whenever i was leveling a character in Queensdale since i never had the feeling that i wanted to solo a champ with a level 10-15 character and only tried them when there were enough people around.

Personally i never joined that train, only did FGS from time to time, but i really don’t understand all the hate.

serow.6524:

Ranger, Warrior, Guardian, Necromancer.
These 4 are generally easier to learn GW2’s combat system with.

I would put Warrior and Guardian in front of the list, but i also think those 4 are the best for a new player.

SkyFierce.2071:

thanks guys, so in short it’s Vitality, not toughness, I should go for for better survival.
Thanks a lot

No .. not really. Thougness is much better against direct damage, and also makes your healing in those case more effectiv.
In the open world when leveling most of the time you go better with toughness and use a condition removal skill now and then.

If you have some special enemies that spam massive conditions, just be very careful and don’t be afraid to run away from time to time if you have added too much

Radian.2478:

Is trying to craft this stuff into something else (not ascended gear) to reduce inventory space a viable option or will that cost too much money?

If you really don’t ever want to create ascended weapons then refining will only cost you gold and karma. Also you need at least 450 in a crafting profession to refine them.

However you should maybe consider creating at least ascended weapons at some point, they give at least a 5% boost to the weapon skills while armor really don’t gives much at all for the cost.

Devata.6589:

Astralporing.1957:

Devata.6589:

If you think the chance would be less then 50% at a 100 times where it drops 1/100 then you have a problem with math. At 100 tries it would be close to 100 but will never be 100.

Actually, you both are wrong. At 1% chance of item dropping, the chance to not get it within 100 tries is about 37% (36.6something). So, the chance to get it is higher than 50%, but nowhere close to 100%.

I did mean closer. Did not do the math myself. Are you however sure it’s 37% to not get it.

Anyway the exact numbers aren’t even what it is about. All I was saying is that on average a drop would take you x hours and grinding gold to buy it would then also take you about x hours.

What you forget is that 1/100 means 2/200 .. so if Lucky Guy gets his drop on the first try that means 1/199 now for Unlucky Guy aka me

Korossive.7085:

KenSniper.8690:

I was actually thinking of something like a new LS in which to rebuild LA we need the donations of gold from the players, more gold donated = better LA or at least something along those lines

With this logic, then on my server LA would be a worse destroyed dump than today.

People on my server don’t even wp tocof. They gate to Gendaran then Black Citadel then run two hours through 7 loading screens just to save the two silver thirteen copper and you’re talking about free donations??? … of gold?!?

Yeah .. always funny to hear how many players still do that, while in the time for all the loading screens they just need to harvest the next ressources on their way and they have the 2 silver in back in no time.

Taygus.4571:

Beldin.5498:

Taygus.4571:

Like create a teq mini game, and you can get teq skins from that mini game. That would 3 options to get the same skin. (including gold option to buy the skin)

And i bet in that moment people would cry : now we have to grind this mini game for those token AND grind the other options. Since whenever we get more options some people directly think they have to do ALL of them

well, they could do the teq mini game and teq itself. that would increase their chance of a skin by 2 afterall :P.
I just think this game really needs more options outside of gold.
I also totally agree that keeping things entirely rng and to one content only, is a bad idea. (anything relies on luck is bound to kitten a large number of players off, precursors are a perfect example).

I would like multiple options for everything, for this game to truly feel grind free.

I’m always open for more options .. i’m only against all thing that give me less options and try to force me to play a specific content that i don’t like, because else i am not able to get a specific item.

But in the end if Option A is to run Dungeon x 1-1000 times to get an item, or do maybe 30 hours random stuff like worldevents, champ trains, harvest platinum and lemongrass .. i would always take that over option A

Atlas.9704:

Only in PvP designated spots like the Mists.

Yeah .. somewhere in the training grounds there .. thats where i think it should belong.

Yesterday i also saw somewhere here a page linked, that showed the cash-shop revenue of F2P games. Funny thing was that WoW !! was on place 7 there, and i think it was the only MMO in that list.

Taygus.4571:

Like create a teq mini game, and you can get teq skins from that mini game. That would 3 options to get the same skin. (including gold option to buy the skin)

And i bet in that moment people would cry : now we have to grind this mini game for those token AND grind the other options. Since whenever we get more options some people directly think they have to do ALL of them

saye.9304:

to all guys saying P2P suck. first all those games like rift, swtor. eso… it is not the sub fee which brought them down, it was low quality of content and support that made people to say the game does not worth a sub. AND none of them is actually free i played them all.
there are successful sub based games like FINAL FANTASY XIV with over 2 million subscribers, why i am not there because i do not like the graphics and on top of all unholy trinity. but the game is pretty good over all for many people.
IT IS ALL ABOUT YOU. ask for better game and have will to pay for good game.

But isn’t the argument for P2P games here always that they have sooo much better content and better support ?

And FF XIV ? I doubt it has 2 millions in the west .. i’m not even shure if i can play it her .. lol
And asian market is a whole other beast, since else we must call game like Lineage I and II as some of the most successfull MMOs ever. And AION also is still very strong there.

Taygus.4571:

Ok let me rephrase;
the main problem isn;t the grind, it’s that it’s the SAME grind for everything ingame.

And personally, as someone who never has luck with RNG i like that much more because when i grind for gold i can play whatever content i want and see a constent progress, while when i need to grind maybe Mob X for item Y i can do that 100 hours and in the end get nothing. And of course i don’t have the choice to play whatever content i like and must maybe play what i really dislike if i want that item.

All that (most) sub games do is gating content since they want you to sub as looooong as possible.

Oh .. want into that Dungeon ? Not before you have been into those other 5 dungeons 100 of times to gear up.

Want to buy this ? Not until you have grinded at least 1 million faction for random faction x …

Taygus.4571:

My point with my post, is that just because there was “longer grind” doesn’t mean gw2 doesn’t have grind. It doesn’t mean one should enjoy and stop complaining about gw2 grind.
because there is grind here, whther or not other games have more/less or better implemented grind.

EVERY MMO has a grind, else you would play through the content and after 50-100 hours or whatever you have seen all and need to buy a new game, just like in Singleplayer games.

MMOs need grind, since nobody can create content so fast how players can consume them.

If you can’t get used to that, stop playing MMOs, or at least stop playing them as soon as you can’t stand the grind anymore and start another game.

MithranArkanere.8957:

It doesn’t really matter how many people likes dueling.

The game’s skill and skill balance are simply not designed for it.

But .. that gives them again reasons to create whine thread all the time that class x is overpowered and needed to be nerfed into the ground whenever they loose a duel with another class.

So .. even more fun we would get out of that.

Taygus.4571:

which is the ONLY way to get your legendary.

Why are people always so obsessed about Legendarys ? You don’t need them, they are also just skins and most of them are ugly IMHO.

DjGriffon.8461:

I refuse to believe that also because if that was the case then it would have been happening from day one not just since they released the patch. and if you look at the memory usage on my reports I’m only using 30% of the memory when the crash occurred.

Its not 30% but 75% of the 2GB that you can maximal use per application. Also depending to your resolution something like 4-700 MB are substracted from that to map your video screen. And thats why you crash at 1,5 GB heap size.

Teon.5168:

Devata.6589:

Most of what you name I don’t consider grind. Like I said, it’s the fact that you have to grind gold to get anything in the game in stead of working for it.

I can’t say I do belong to the “back then we played real MMO’s” because back then I did not play MMO’s I did play other games. However I don’t mind if leveling takes long.

How do you know you wouldn’t consider it all a grind, if you never played any of the older mmos?

Yours’ and other’s complaints about the ‘grind for gold’ in this game pretty much proves to me, imo, that you and others would absolutely detest the grind for everything in the older mmos…….one didn’t just grind for levels, or gold, or elite items…..there was a grind for nearly everything in the game.

Not trying to state the “when I was your age had to walk through 6 feet of snow for 10 miles bare naked to get to school” sort of nonsense. It’s just that the mmos back in the pre Wow days just thought that everyone wanted to play an mmorpg that required the players to mindlessly grind for absurd amounts of time. The definition of ‘grind’ has changed so, so much over the years…….it’s just difficult for me to call much of anything in this game a grind, in the true sense of the word, imo.

I would see some of the people that are complaining over the grind here, just level 1 crafting profession to max in Everquest 2.

To make a crafting level you needed maybe to craft 30-50 items, and every crafting process was like a mini game where you had to react and counter different conditions, in the beginng you could even die from crafting. Now with that crafting a level took you maybe an hour, but of course you also needed another 1-2 hours run around harvesting all the mats you needed for that, or of course you could farm gold and buy them of the AH.

DaShi.1368:

This thread (and the others like it) are exactly why there shouldn’t be open-world dueling.

If you are not in favor of dueling, here are some of the things you’ve been called by its supporters in this thread:

Lazy
Scared/cowardly
Delusional
Over-sensitive
Bitter
Ignorant
Stubborn Control-freaks
Whiners
Fear-mongerers
Angry
Foolish
Crazy
Have Trivial/Invalid concerns
Snippy
Magnet for trolls (love this one)
Liars
Anti-fun
Stupid
Selfish
Absurd
Having completely unbelievable opinions
Entitled
Unreasonable
Trolls/Bullies/Griefers (yes, seriously, and after all of the above was said about those against open-world dueling)
Asking to be harassed (Asking for it)
Petty
Silly
Haters
Over-emotional

And that’s only when they don’t just dismiss your opinions completely as not worthy considering.

These are the people that are telling us that there won’t be harassment and yet are being rude, insulting, and dismissive to those who simply don’t agree with them. If we can’t expect open world dueling’s biggest proponents to act maturely when discussing it, how can we expect any better from the trolls and griefers waiting for dueling to get their rocks off by harassing people who just want to play the game they bought as advertised? Since Guild Wars 1, Guild Wars has been about team play in pvp. Dueling is possible but has never been the focus of the game. It would be a major deviation, if this changed.

I saw earlier in this thread that custom arena is not a good option for dueling because it is costly. Yet, I never see dueling supporters making threads suggesting ways to improve the custom arenas or offering alternative suggestions to open-world dueling that are less intrusive to other players (opt-in is clearly not the magic fix here, or so many wouldn’t be against it). GW1 didn’t have open-world dueling and was better for it. However, it did offer dueling opportunities in guild halls. Why not request guild halls and a similar dueling feature there?

^^ Yeah, funny how the pro-duellers constantly show us why we don’t want it and don’t seem to see it themselfes.

SkyFierce.2071:

thanks for the advises, guys.
I am awareing of the my level goes down when fighting with lower lel mob. But I am wondering how could when fighting same level mobs, some time I only saw very small amount of health lost while against swords or axes, but some time mobs can got half of my health in one blow, most time by condition damage. Is that common?

Some mobs with condition-damage simply are a little over the top. At the moment i remember especially Pirates since they now also spam torment, then there are sone Jellyfish in Snowden Drift .. 2 of them are even on a full exotic 80 no fun.

Imps can also be very annoying when you have suddenly 3-4 red circles under your feet in 1-2 seconds.

ExiMaster.4820:

I just don’t understand why now looks can be transmutable only and stats no more.

Transmuting stats (as long as we talk about weapons or armor) always meant that you first had to have the items with the old and the new stats, and then you needed to destroy one of these items.

Now you can keep both items if you want to have sets with different stats and just transmute the skin you want to them, or you can salvage the old one and have a change of ectos and dark matters if its 68+ stuff.

The only problem now are expensive runes, so think twice if you want to use some and change stats of your armor all days. But destroying armor sets also wasn’t really that cheap

Scrambles.2604:

Beldin.5498:

sorudo.9054:

i have a question for all the yaysayers, how does it benefit the game in a whole when duels are shuffed in everybody’s face, even if they simply don’t want it to happen around them?
it just baffles me how many excuses i see how much they want duels in the game yet they constantly justify all the trolling and harassment, the thing that will 100% happen 24/7.

The answer on that will maybe also answer the question why duel-spammers don’t accept a “NO” and spam at least 2-3 other duel requests if you decline.

However, i doubt there will ever be a good answer beside : its fun for ME and who the heck cares if its not fun for YOU.

I mentioned in my very post that the game does NOTHING to teach you howto PvP, yet it holds your hand from lvl 1-80, teaching you skills one by one. Dueling would serve as an intermediary for those that want to try PvP without getting overwhelmed or completely wrecked from the get-go.

Why do you guys keep implying that if you want duels you are a selfish, super-competitive, troll that just wants to harass people? Surely your worldview isn’t so tarnished that you believe that majority of the players to be that way?

2/3 of GW2 is based around PvP (PvE, sPvP, WvW), yet there is this ideology on the forums that says the only reason you could like PvP is if you enjoy hurting other players feelings.

And why do you have to duel in the PvE area instead of the PvP Areas ?

There are people here that HATE PvP, and they play this game because here they never have to deal with it if they don’t want.
And i have the strong feeling that you would also never accept a decline and ask again and again : comeon carebear .. duell me .. its fun .. the same way that you can’t simply accept the “no” of people here in the forums.

In FGS they now seem to have a different rotation with a champion Ooze in it and they either do the other champs 2 or 3 times before they go to the fish, or they even went to Orr in between.

sorudo.9054:

i have a question for all the yaysayers, how does it benefit the game in a whole when duels are shuffed in everybody’s face, even if they simply don’t want it to happen around them?
it just baffles me how many excuses i see how much they want duels in the game yet they constantly justify all the trolling and harassment, the thing that will 100% happen 24/7.

The answer on that will maybe also answer the question why duel-spammers don’t accept a “NO” and spam at least 2-3 other duel requests if you decline.

However, i doubt there will ever be a good answer beside : its fun for ME and who the heck cares if its not fun for YOU.

Kernave.5732:

I don’t mind it a healthy balance is nice. I would much prefer some capped player hard dungeon content. 5-20 players would be great always enjoyed pve over pvp.

If they ever scale that i would more like it to be 2-20 .. since i very much prefer small partys of 2-3 over bigger

My tip : don’t use expensive runes before you have your level 80 gear.
Ruby or Smaragd Orbs or whatever do a good job for that and are much cheaper

Hopeless.5403:

LOL ESO? LOL wildstar? Oh not to mention west coast chopperville expansion LOL

Don’t see these games stealing any spotlight tbh but I do hope they will provide an update on the living story soon

Read a even better joke on GW2Guru : What will GW2 do now that TERA will get a new character class ?

Doom is say .. Doooooom

anzenketh.3759:

I actually don’t think the problem is Trahearne as a character. A lot of players place blame on him when he is not the problem. I actually enjoy his character. The problem is the transition. We are not given emotional reason to care for him as a commander. He is just someone that our mentors respected but is just a scholar.

Of course nobody would have a problem if he was just another NPC that helps us now and then. The problem is that some boring character that you mostly never have heared of before suddenly steps into the light and everybody knows him and respects him and he suddenly is the big leader of all.

They could also instead just take the NPC where you buy your salvages kits and promote him to be the new high commander .. would have maybe the same effect

Then of course the other thing is, that Orr also is just boring and depressing, and with the introduction of Trahearne at the same time all you have to do now is kill undeads and even more undeads in the depressing Orr zones and hear his “this won’t end well” as comment all the time

Vargs.6234:

Beldin.5498:

NewTrain.7549:

I can’t believe that some people are actually defending zerg content. If you’re playing an RPG (MMO or otherwise) don’t you want to be the hero? Why would you want to be just a faceless drone in the swarm (since you already are in real life)?

That the same argument i always used to tell people why i hate raiding

However i suspect most of the people that are so against zergs here think that raiding is the best think since sliced bread.

Raids are alright. They typically require intense coordination between a much smaller, tight-knit group of people. Even in a group of 25, your contribution matters and your guildmates are counting on you to perform well. It can take a very long time and a whole lot of practice to progress forward, but the rewards tend to be spectacular and there’s a real sense of accomplishment involved.

Unless you’re talking about WoW’s relatively new Looking For Raid feature, it is absolutely nothing like GW2 zerg content. And to nobody’s surprise, LFR is boring garbage.

The problem for me in raids was always, that if MT dies i just wanted a button to kill myself, since it was crystal clear that in the next 20 seconds i will also be dead. That felt in no way heroic in any form to me and i really really hated it.

Solandri.9640:

Yeah, Tybalt was great. He’s just “too much” comic relief because there’s so little of it in the rest of the game (mostly one-liners on scattered NPCs). I picked the Order of Whispers my first run-through and was really disappointed he was killed off.

I also really liked the Norn story with the stolen “Charosse” (don’t know the correct english name, its a Charr Tank) since that was also maybe a little more comic fun

NewTrain.7549:

I can’t believe that some people are actually defending zerg content. If you’re playing an RPG (MMO or otherwise) don’t you want to be the hero? Why would you want to be just a faceless drone in the swarm (since you already are in real life)?

That the same argument i always used to tell people why i hate raiding

However i suspect most of the people that are so against zergs here think that raiding is the best think since sliced bread.

Azrael.4960:

(thought Tybalt was too much comic relief for anyone to take seriously)

But Tybald was simply fun. I would have followed him 100 times more likely through the end of the story than Mr. “this won’t end well” Trahearne.

linuxotaku.4731:

and you have no real way to force yourself onto a given copy other than multiboxing.

On EU Servers at least you can try to cycle through Servers with the 4 different languages. Doesn’t work all the time but maybe better than on US Servers

Also, if you have maybe a different mouse lying around, try to play with that one for a while and look if you still have the problem. I remember at least that somebody had a problem like yours in another MMO and in the end it was a problem of the mouse or mouse-driver.

I don’t think there is something like “critical hit quotes”, else my warriors would shout them the whole day with 100% crit-chance.
That are mainly just random quotes. Often i hear also “i gain adrenalin” when im actually not fighting and so indeed loose adrenalin.

Dark Catalyst.1028:

One can grief and troll the queensdale champ train to high heaven. Should we remove it because of a tiny jerk minority?

Why do you always come with the argument to remove existing stuff ? Removing stuff that people get used to is a totally different thing than never having implementet something where you know it will bring massive problems.

Hey .. another great idea .. let duels lead to perma death .. that also delete all the stuff in your bank and your wardrobe. I think that is a great thing that will bring masses of players back because they really love that kind of challenge.

Ok .. i have a good idea. What if we get duels, but everytime a duel request is declined / autodeclined the requester has to pay 1 Gold to the person that declined the request ?

That would maybe turn the annoyance for the people who dislike duels into something positive, and on the other hand, the people that say we don’t spam people just to annoy them must have no problem with that .. since they never have to pay. Right ? Right ??