Back to topic: the only thing that surprised me is that there was thief at all. This have been said since HoT beta, thief is in bad state due to powercreep, revs (and scrappers) to extend completely shut down the class. All falls on deaf ears, per usual. Seems like to qualify as balancing dev you need as much education and common sense as a politician.
You guys focus on thief too much. I noticed generally if i play other classes, no matter how crappy i played nobody says anything. When i play on thief, even if i did fine, EVEN if enemy team says “great thief” (yes that actually happend quite few times) and we actually win i still get to hear a lot of unreasonable crap from my own team.
1. leagues are not supposed to be a reward track. Season 1 spoiled too many players (due to nature of matchmaking) making them think they deserve to be in higher divisions when they are not. While current matchmaking is anything but perfect leagues now are bit more competitive than last season. Take any competitive game out there: vast majority of players are stuck in low divisions for whole season and it is NORMAL.
Here is the fun fact: when i was in emerald/sapphire most pro/really good players were also around sapphire/ruby at that time and i didn’t find matches that bad. Now that most of them moved to legend i am sure emerald/sapphire is filled mostly with average/below average players. Yes you may get bad teammates but enemy team is probably just as bad and you can really abuse it as a good player.
2. rank 80 is nothing, it is stupidly easy to get now compared to first years of gw2 (when after 1 year of hardcore pvping nobody even had phoenix). 1k games is nothing, you barely just grasped pvp in this game with that many matches.
3. anything works in lower divisions, i have won 1v1 and 1v2 fights vs meta classes/builds on vanilla thief w/o breaking a sweat. I haven’t met a single DH in lower division that was any good. Even in higher divisions (diamond/legend) many DH tend to be terrible. Besides while build is cheesy as hell it is really weak compared to biggest offenders like revs and scrappers.
Generally i would say take loses as a chance to improve, record your games, look for own mistakes and learn from them, look for mistakes your team made and think about how you could play around mistakes your team made (because it will always happen and you need to know how to make up for those mistakes).
One of the differences between good and average player is that good player can carry even bad team while average player relies on team to be decent. There is a pro streamer on LoL that said once: always assume your teammates are bots. Obviously that applies to soloq.
I don’t remember everything that happend in ruby, it was so dark that my brain completely rejected any memory of matches there. I can however speak for legend which includes:
- people afking on point for almost whole match
- people zerging animal instead of helping mid
- necros chasing my thief across the map leaving their point undefended (because clearly you can catch up to daredevil as a necro…………………………………) and it wasn’t just 1 time thing…. for some reason a lot of necros are soo thirsty for my thief
tl/dr: generally i think anything works till ruby (if you are good at it).
I played vanilla thief (da/sa/tr dp) till mid/end of ruby. After i did couple matches in legend (did some duoq with my BF), it made me realize that vanilla thief simply won’t cut it in higher divisions due to (new) revs mechanics (thanks Anet, crappy balancing/design is crappy, where did common sense go?!!!) so i had to succumb to DD build :|
I am really angry right now. I was on a hard earned win streak then this happened. The 4 people were from 1 guild and 3 of them had less then 10 points until far mid game. Utter trash matchmaking anet. If I soloQ I dont want to help out crappy PVE guilds!
There are some good players that say play alt accounts or just came back to game?
You won’t do much with D/D in pvp even with normalization due to revs and scrappers spamming reveal off CD. I had to succumb to DD build because of it somewhere at the end of ruby. Legend is filled with revs (2 revs per team each match). Using stealth there is pointless in many cases :|
I think it is a bit too small of a pool to compare, besides you should take division in account. The higher you climb the more balanced matches are.
For me 99% of matches to ruby were total faceroll. Ruby itself was pure luck for most part, either win 500-100 or lose 100-500. Diamond/legend is definitely more balanced.
So, you dont want to switch in a skill that can counter… well… thats a bit like crying over necros but then standing in their cleave and just eating it all up…
Okay, then you just wait for rezz, and kill rezzed again… its quite easy to kill them since they most likely blew all their cooldowns/lifeforce on surviving before…
Or you just kill the next one while the ranger is busy rezzing.
There’s only really a problem with SnR on Khylo due to ranger being able to port downed to safety way too easily. And with the cooldown being too short.
Once again if i start to stomp necro mid of fight as a thief i will probably go down before ranger even uses SnR lol
I can counter that if enemy has necro and i can steal fear to save it for SnR but if i don’t have it currently or enemy happend not to have necro it is almost impossible to interrupt that by myself (OR if ranger has stab up). Even if i interrupt ranger, pet still rezzes, by the time i interrupt pet, the person is already rezzed. Add another ranger to the mix and it is almost impossible to kill anyone. They will just keep rezzing whoever goes down.
You are playing thief main I assume? start stomp -> signet -> finish stomp…. or just kill rezzed again. Only cleave if there’s nothing that kills you straight away.
Meta build doesn’t run inf signet. Besides stomping thief is a free kill.
I can counter that if enemy has necro and i can steal fear to save it for SnR but if i don’t have it currently or enemy happend not to have necro it is almost impossible to interrupt that by myself (OR if ranger has stab up). Even if i interrupt ranger, pet still rezzes, by the time i interrupt pet, the person is already rezzed. Add another ranger to the mix and it is almost impossible to kill anyone. They will just keep rezzing whoever goes down.
Taunt gets you stuck. ./sit to get out of it… or ./dance if you feel like it…
And sure, precision strike should not ignore range limits/obstacles. But it does… quite often… but then… one stray projectile wont kill you, so I dont see it as a gamebreaking bug.
Taunt-stuck and milehigh knocks however… are gamebreaking bugs.
1 stay projectile takes 1/3 of my HP, another stray projectile in 4 sec does the same. That combined with all other crap revs have. Nope, not game breaking at all.
How about we give backstab 900 range for funzies? Not game breaking at all.
Actually the biggest joke here is that you think precision strike was designed to go through walls and ignore the range limit. This comment of yours alone is reason enough for anyone not to take your call for “adjustments” seriously
You say it does back stab damage but neglect to say that it only does that if you are the only target.
“Revenants have good mobility especially in the chase department”. Correction, revenants have good mobility only in the chase department which was nerfed due to the 5 second cooldown added to phase traversal. But it still needs further adjustments apparently.
Idc whether it was designed like that or not, this is how it works right now and it is not ok.
Are you implying that rev never fight 1v1?
No, they don’t have good mobility ONLY in chase department. If you combine shiro with staff and swiftness from herald you get more mobility than most classes out there.
Point is, Anet idea was that if you have high mobility and do high dmg, you should be squishy – revs are anything but that.
This OP, lol. Mesmers are running around turning people into Moas and winning the match for the team.
Players are able to go full tank and do burst damage with conditions that are supposed to be damage over time. Power no longer measures up even though it is meant to be the burst damage type.
Druids are able to go full tank while their pet deals zerker damage.
Dragon hunters are killing as fast kittentr power mesmers without even needing to use their weapons. Has anyone even heard of a guardian with access to stealth before. Dodging and blocking traps still triggers their effects meanwhile they daze and lock in place with the damage they do.
Revenant on the other hand has no stealth or ports, no invulnerability, nothing that can be exploited. Revenant is the only class in the game that was built properly minus the unnecessarily bad cleansing and you complain about a down skill that you can get past with 1 stack of stab.
I have literally seen ZERO revs in my last 20 games, with ruby and sapphire players.
I have however noticed a minimum of 2 reapers, scrappers or eles per game.
Maybe you people need to wake up?
There are 2 revs on each team in diamond/legend. That is very common there.
Revs do need some adjustment. I don’t understand precision strike rework – it goes through walls, ignores range limit, you need double dodge (or dash) to avoid it, it does backstab dmg but doesn’t require target and is on short CD.
On top of high dmg revs have really good mobility (especially in chasing department), high sustain and pretty high survival
When devs nerfed thieves into oblivion for 3 years, their excuse was: thieves are very mobile and do high dmg. Well LOL revs do it all just as good if not better and have survivability of bruiser/bunker (if played right) on top of great team support. I mean i understand they wanted to sell HoT but by now most ppl that care bought xpac already. Where is balance?
They don’t need to be kept from pvp, they just need to be nerfed down to core classes level.
Yeah, it would be lame to lock them out of SPvP entirely. Just need to be brought in line, so either nerf elite specs or make core specs viable.
Take guardian ‘virtues’. The new form is a lot stronger (perfect example is courage), with no real downside.
They can’t do it because of raids… -_- We are forever stuck with this broken garbage, until new xpac comes out and they introduce even more powercreep.
I mean from manager perspective it is great, they make money before ppl leave game. From game balancing point this is probably one of the worst job i have seen in this industry.
The elite specs are not only so much better than core specs, but even if by whatever reason you decide to play core spec anyway, elite specs from other classes will force you to trait into elite anyway other you just can’t complete after certain level.
They promised to reset MMR begin of season 1. They didn’t – they lied.
They said elites are there to increase build variety – jk everyone literary forced into elites – another lie.
Seriously guys, just because you are bad thieves and stuck in emerald/sapphire/ruby doesn’t mean the class is bad and can’t carry.
Look at Sindrenerr or Vallun for example, they know how to carry.
They do not play thief in tourneys….. i am not sure about carry so much, i faced Sind at least. Unless they have someone to hold/fight on points (sup ele/scrapper) neither of them can do much either. It is not saying they are bad players, by all means they are really good but thief itself isn’t. To put it simple: sind on rev >>>>>>>sind on thief.
^^pretty much this, with june patch and HoT realease any common logic was thrown out of the window
there is no risk vs reward anymore
there is no opportunity costs anymore
just spam everything off CD, CDs are short anyway, something will hit anyway…. and most spells have so much baked in, even if one lands it can be GG
in fact you don’t even need to land anything, auras and passives will do it for you
the only classes above may not apply so much is warrior and thief hence why those 2 are not doing so well atm
Over 450: 2
400 – 450: 2
300 – 400: 3
200 – 300: 2
100 – 200: 0
Less than 100: 0
Highest losing score was 491, however i might add we won a game because time ran out (lol too many chronos, too many eles in match, bunker meta all over again) with 478-482 so this one probably was the closest.
Those games were with duoq. From my experience the more premades there are the closer games are. I will edit with soloq games, once i got any. Those tend to be more lopsided. Then again the higher i climbed up the closer games were.
- a lot of QQ comes from players being spoiled by season 1. In season 1 matchmaking was based pretty much purely on MMR, meaning a guy with low MMR could get all the way to legend having easy fights (the matchmaking tried to force everyone into 50% winrate) while players with high MMR had to win matches vs pro players just to get out of emerald.
So now you’re making up reasons why S2 matchmaking is better. Low mmr players got to legend via smurfing mainly. The S1 matchmaking could have been used quite easily with this season anti smurfing mechanism. Average and low mmr players did not have easy fights in S1 unless they were carried by high ranked groups.
you should have seen things i saw in diamond/legend last season….
The reason they did it is so that "better"players climb up divisions faster. In theory it is great idea, in reality not so much if you take human factor in account. People don’t like to lose, also probably nobody is willing to get farmed for weeks so divisions balance out. That is why i suggested to add placement matches at begin of the season so “better” players get placed in higher divisions right away.
If the match making really works like this, then it is beyond stupidity. The vast majority of gamers around the world want to have a sense of fairness. Sports and game spectators around the world want to have a sense of fairness. Gamers hate the idea that big part of the their games are decided by in advance by giving the other side unfair advantage.
Now imagine a sports analogue:
Let’s put Serena Williams and Roger Federer in 1 team and match them against Mr and Mr Average who play tennis every 2nd Sunday. Of course the 1st would win, but what fun would the win be for them? And the audience would feel cheated and might turn their pity towards the losers.
A LOT of damage is already done. Arenanet can still fix part of this by:
A) introducing purely MMR 50/50 based match making it more like Season 1 (the code is there and I am sure most of the great players are already in legendary so this won’t hurt them)
or
B) scrap MMR and match only purely based on division pip range, meaning that you have in the long run even chance of getting both good and bad players from the division range.
This should be done immediately as the longer this continues, the less players will be left.
50/50 matchmaking was bad, it made leagues just a glorified farmable reward track and had nothing to do with skill at all
it should be based on division/pip range, idk why they didn’t do it (assuming they also change emerald/sapphire so you can lose tiers there)
So simply put you got farmed by players you shouldn’t be facing anyway.
Unranked matchmaking is different. It is still based on MMR so you will face enemies around your MMR there.
What is the point of putting all the high MMR players in one team and match them with low MMR aka bad players? This would skew the MMR ratings, unfairly inflating the MMR ratings of the winning side and unfairly lowering the MMR rating of the losing side. Meaning that a long loss or win streak at the beginning of season 2 could have a very long lasting effect. In other words some players get carried far with the inflated MMR which gives them better team mates and those who are very unlucky at start, have almost no way to recover, unless they suddenly develop ESL level of skills (not going to happen) or make a full premade.
I really cannot understand why Arenanet lets this blow out super high burst meta and awful match making continue. I like even games, not total blows, even when I am on the winning side. Maybe it is just me but I think there should be challenge, tight games and come backs, but not too many utter blowouts.
Sighs, still waiting Arenanet to fix WvWvW. Remove all that HoT and pve junk (SMC air strike, banners, shrines) and bring back the original maps without any of the new gimmicks. I am really sad the of state of this game. I would actually pay money to get the original pre-June 2015 game back (and be happy without any of the new stuff, even though gliding is cool). I also think spvp was better without all that power creep. Let’s call it GW2 Classic.
The reason they did it is so that "better"players climb up divisions faster. In theory it is great idea, in reality not so much if you take human factor in account. People don’t like to lose, also probably nobody is willing to get farmed for weeks so divisions balance out. That is why i suggested to add placement matches at begin of the season so “better” players get placed in higher divisions right away.
@Deniara Devious.3948: first of, rank 54 is nothing really. Not trying to discourage you but it takes a lot of games to master just 1 class and it takes multiple times more to learn rotations.
What you experienced is the biggest flaw generally with leagues atm. They did reset everyone’s divisions, which is ok, but they didn’t add any placement matches or anything that would allow better players to go up divisions right away. So simply put you got farmed by players you shouldn’t be facing anyway.
Unranked matchmaking is different. It is still based on MMR so you will face enemies around your MMR there.
@Sirbeaumerdier.3740: never claimed i play perfectly. If i did i would be sitting x5 legend by now probably. Point is there are a lot of complains about matchmaking and how everyone gets bad teammates and unwinnable matches when a lot of us actually have different experience. The video could a proof that matchmaking is really that bad it also could help players to improve (and i am sure there is always something to improve, even for pro players). If you are THAT hard pressed to annihilate someone for tiniest mistake, then i am sorry to say it is your problem. There are actually quite few nice players out there that are willing to help w/o “annihilating” someone. Do you know what pro teams do during practice? They record their games and analyze them afterwards. Just saying.
I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.
Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?
I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.
I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond
i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve
Strange, his id was Cynz xD
I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol
And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.
Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.
So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.
If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll
@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.
As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.
My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).
Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.
Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.
Unlike customer support in game, forums mods are very serious about posters harassing others. You can just report them and i promise you they will see trolls banned really fast.
Does that make you feel better? Does that mean you will show us how you play in a video just to give us the example to follow?
I mean, you still have a dark alley in front of you… does knowing there are police officers somewhere that can apply the law make you go down that alley?
Would showing me playing in diamond really help people playing in emerald? And yes it actually would make me feel better. I know how strict mods are on this forums. I highly doubt majority of posters here are really that eager to sit out 2-4 weeks banns.
@Buffalo Bruiser.3567: most “pros” left lower divisions long time ago (couple smurfs aside).
Well, ppl learn mostly by watching and mimicking so why wouldn’t they get something to learn and understand out of your example?
If they want to mimic they might as well watch pro league players twitch. Thing is, it won’t get them far. As matches in lower divisions are different compared to higher divisions.
But you are still better than them and it would help seeing you lead by example.
I see what you are trying to do here but really, just stop.
Then will you stop asking others what you refuse to do yourself?
That is a suggestion not asking. If i can’t beat something i should, i usually ask for help. If i can’t play class well that i want to play – i ask for help. I have done it plenty of times in the past, especially when i was new to pvp (yes, on forums as well).
Also, you won’t see me anywhere on forums crying that matchmaking and bad teams are stopping my progression.
So you are the one who is going to post videos of your playing expertise so we can all learn from you?
If you can provide him account sitting in emerald… then again, it has been done before. Someone on reddit grabbed account from player sitting in lower divisions and got it to higher divisions.
I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.
Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?
I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.
I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond
i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve
Strange, his id was Cynz xD
I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol
And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.
Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.
So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.
If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll
@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.
As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.
My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).
Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.
Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.
Unlike customer support in game, forums mods are very serious about posters harassing others. You can just report them and i promise you they will see trolls banned really fast.
Does that make you feel better? Does that mean you will show us how you play in a video just to give us the example to follow?
I mean, you still have a dark alley in front of you… does knowing there are police officers somewhere that can apply the law make you go down that alley?
Would showing me playing in diamond really help people playing in emerald? And yes it actually would make me feel better. I know how strict mods are on this forums. I highly doubt majority of posters here are really that eager to sit out 2-4 weeks banns.
@Buffalo Bruiser.3567: most “pros” left lower divisions long time ago (couple smurfs aside).
Well, ppl learn mostly by watching and mimicking so why wouldn’t they get something to learn and understand out of your example?
If they want to mimic they might as well watch pro league players twitch. Thing is, it won’t get them far. As matches in lower divisions are different compared to higher divisions.
But you are still better than them and it would help seeing you lead by example.
I see what you are trying to do here but really, just stop.
I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.
Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?
I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.
I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond
i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve
Strange, his id was Cynz xD
I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol
And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.
Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.
So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.
If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll
@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.
As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.
My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).
Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.
Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.
Unlike customer support in game, forums mods are very serious about posters harassing others. You can just report them and i promise you they will see trolls banned really fast.
Does that make you feel better? Does that mean you will show us how you play in a video just to give us the example to follow?
I mean, you still have a dark alley in front of you… does knowing there are police officers somewhere that can apply the law make you go down that alley?
Would showing me playing in diamond really help people playing in emerald? And yes it actually would make me feel better. I know how strict mods are on this forums. I highly doubt majority of posters here are really that eager to sit out 2-4 weeks banns.
@Buffalo Bruiser.3567: most “pros” left lower divisions long time ago (couple smurfs aside).
Well, ppl learn mostly by watching and mimicking so why wouldn’t they get something to learn and understand out of your example?
If they want to mimic they might as well watch pro league players twitch. Thing is, it won’t get them far. As matches in lower divisions are different compared to higher divisions. People in lower divisions don’t focus target, they don’t peel for each other, you can’t rely on team, you can’t rely on teammates to win 2v2 fights, zerging 4v1 is common thing there. On other hand, enemy teams just make as many mistakes so you can abuse it. You can’t rely on enemy stupidity in higher divisions. You may watch higher division games all you want, you will never get the same environment in lower divisions.
I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.
Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?
I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.
I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond
i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve
Strange, his id was Cynz xD
I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol
And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.
Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.
So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.
If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll
@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.
As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.
My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).
Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.
Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.
Unlike customer support in game, forums mods are very serious about posters harassing others. You can just report them and i promise you they will see trolls banned really fast.
Does that make you feel better? Does that mean you will show us how you play in a video just to give us the example to follow?
I mean, you still have a dark alley in front of you… does knowing there are police officers somewhere that can apply the law make you go down that alley?
Would showing me playing in diamond really help people playing in emerald? And yes reporting trolls would make me feel better. I know how strict mods are on this forums. I highly doubt majority of posters here are really that eager to sit out 2-4 weeks banns (including being able to make 1 post every 30 min after ban ran out, not being able to start topic etc.)
@Buffalo Bruiser.3567: most “pros” left lower divisions long time ago (couple smurfs aside).
I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.
Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?
I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.
I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond
i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve
Strange, his id was Cynz xD
I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol
And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.
Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.
So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.
If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll
@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.
As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.
My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).
Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.
Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.
Unlike customer support in game, forums mods are very serious about posters harassing others. You can just report them and i promise you they will see trolls banned really fast.
I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.
Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?
I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.
I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond
i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve
Strange, his id was Cynz xD
I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol
And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.
Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.
So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.
If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll
@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.
As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.
My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).
I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.
Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?
I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.
I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond
i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve
Strange, his id was Cynz xD
I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol
And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.
I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.
Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?
I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.
I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond
i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve
it is not about laughs, it is about helping other
there were few ppl here that posted their videos, nobody was really laughing about them and they got good advises… no need to be so salty~
I always played ranked, even when there were no rewards in pvp (besides lol dyes and pvp skins). I have legendary wings, i am still doing ranked. It still has better matchmaking and there is no skyhammer.
I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.
The problem with the pips, is they are only WINS. Not wins versus GOOD players.
So, anyone that can play 70 hours a week would get into Legendary even if they play like Emerald.
What you state is the problem from last season when players with low MMR would win vs other players with low MMR and grind like that to diamond/legend.
If my proposed changes were implemented, player would have to win, a lot, vs better and better players each match. And if you lose tiers and divisions you won’t be able to farm to ruby so easily (if even).
I think these are good suggestions. I would be curious about the 10? MMR setting matches. Could people team quo in those? What would the affect be if players could only soloq? Better or worse or somewhere in the middle?
I would add that players should only lose divisions when they are in the first tier of a new division. If you can get to tier 2 or above you probably belong there, just bad things happened. Maybe not all of which is your fault.
In the league you have to solo through placement matches. It should be the same here, imo, to avoid possible carry.
As far as division goes, as i said you have to be on really long losing streak at 0 pip to lose division. Reason why it should be implemented is notorious trolls, afkers and griefers (and generally players who got carried there by luck/better teammates but can’t actually hold their ground).
Was mid of diamond somewhere as well.