Guild Wars 2

Babylon.8972:

Cynz.9437:

you forgot that our whole trait line is based on stealth…. i wish i had a 900 range, aoe spell on 20 sec CD that prevented mesmers from using shatter and creating clones for 6 sec

Yeah, while you lose your stealth for 6 seconds you still have blind spam, shadowsteps, steal interrupt through stability. Im sorry your glorious stealth got counter but you have still a lot defences and after 6 seconds you can disappear again +15 seconds and full reset the fight.

blind spam doesn’t exist, few shadow shots and you are sitting at 0 ini… besides half of engi spells are not even affected by blind + they have enough ways to (auto) cleanse blind

shadowstep is long CD and won’t prevent engi from hitting me

and how will steal help me vs engi exactly? please elaborate

lot of defenses? like what?

you forget engis have other ways to reveal as well….

you forgot that our whole trait line is based on stealth…. i wish i had a 900 range, aoe spell on 20 sec CD that prevented mesmers from using shatter and creating clones for 6 sec

Petoox.6570:

Jana.6831:

It’s three months.

No, 1 month and like 4 days.

she ment it has been 3 months since spec build aka when devs decided thieves should be a pet and not a class

Amante.8109:

Traits that remove Reveal sound nice, but in the grand scheme of things they’re insignificant. The problem isn’t the rise of Reveal effects, it’s Thief’s absurd over-reliance on Stealth just to be able to survive. Until this is addressed, nothing of merit will change.

Ever thought that people might like to play stealth classes? Why grief and punish them for it so heavily? Counters are ok and needed, but not braindead crap they added to game.
900!!!!! range aoe reveal….how can one be so stupid?!

Serious Thought.5394:

“Thief is the class most beaten to a pulp. Players who choose this profession will play as the most difficult and frustrating character class ever designed. Cower as your enemies profit from your damaging and crowd control abilities more than you do. Flee, as they turn their attention on you and with one skill blast most of your life away. And remember good old Zero, practice the Fetal Position or you main find it is no longer practice.”

How’d I do? Not gonna lie, I’m pretty mad right now. Did that whole tryhard as Thief thing, then went lazy mode on my Mesmer which made me realize I can play half afk on Mesmer and do more than when I try on my Thief despite the high amount of games (ranked and unranked) I have on Thief compared to Mesmer.

i find this description quite accurate, i think what is missing is that thief is not a class but a pet that can’t stand on it’s own

I had 2+ years for patience…. there is nothing left. I seen this class being destroyed patch after patch, i never gave up, i kept playing, played other classes to find even tiny detail that could help me to deal with them, i got kicked from teams for being thief and not mesmer twice. I had hopes for spec patch, it became even worse than i expected. I had hopes for elite spec – it was even worse than i expected. My hopes and patience got kicked in the guts, violated and left dead in the side street. I have been lied to and trolled by them so many times i have nothing positive left in that regard. The whole 2 years of my experience can be summed up as: i am being griefed by “gods” for just playing a thief.

Why should i be patient now? There won’t be anything good. And as matter of fact i hate playing evade build, i would rather play warrior at that point. So even if they did make DrD somehow OK, there would be no reason for me to play this game unless dagger builds are playable. Except by the looks of it devs are trying to make playing experience for stealth based thief builds as frustrating as possible.

Kolly.9872:

To all thieves that still have to buy HoT. DON’T BUY IT
To the others, let’s ask all for a refund.
Let’s see if Devs understand our frustation.
I feel like I have blindly paid for something only for discovering later I had just paid for my Death.

I am srsly thinking about it….. i feel scammed by xpac. It is pretty obvious that devs decided to make thief playing experience as frustrating as possible. I don’t want my money used to pay griefers because what they are doing right now is pure form of griefing.

I wonder weither they are clueless or just do it on purpose. Thief is already most frustrating and unsatisfying profession to play in pvp (go to pvp but don’t you dare to engage fights), the only thing that keeps them in meta is sb5. Why are they making it worse? Is this kind of hate crusade? Are thief players really that bad that they should be punished and have only crappy experience in competitive areas of this game. Is this some kind of massive griefing action? For what? Is someone suffering from god complex and making thief experience miserable because they got backstabbed once?

Slowmelt.8547:

Cynz.9437:

I was just thinking: given all the nerfs to thieves and all revealed/anti stealth mechanics handled to other classes, doesn’t it mean that devs want thief to be unplayable? Isn’t it direct attempt to prevent thief players from taking part in tournaments? Shouldn’t we able to report this somehow?

What are you trying to do, exactly? Complain to the police that the game devs are being unfair?
Don’t expect the investors to give a kitten either.

idk about anet but i used to play other games and devs weren’t allowed to favor certain group of players (there were some and they got rid off pretty quickly)…. which anet devs are doing right now

I was just thinking: given all the nerfs to thieves and all revealed/anti stealth mechanics handled to other classes, doesn’t it mean that devs want thief to be unplayable? Isn’t it direct attempt to prevent thief players from taking part in tournaments? Shouldn’t we able to report this somehow?

Steal: applies paralyzing poison now, prevents player from using specific spells based on class mechanics, e.g. engis can’t switch kits and blocks for duration of the debuff; mes can’t create clones etc.

at this point i think all thieves should gather and write letter to Anet with complains about discrimination from dev team

Kocoff.7582:

wow guys bottom right corner. It’s a lot worse than we thought.. 6 seconds..??

http://i.imgur.com/sxEMt8j.jpg

gg, i wish i could get my money back for HoT

Shiki.7148:

Cynz.9437:

Shiki.7148:

There are way more things that remove chill which Reaper is supposed to utilize to be sticky than there is to stealth, and stealth is a way more “broken” mechanic.

Also OP you got it wrong: getting bursted out of nowhere or guys pressing one button to disengage any fight is the problem, giving out reveals is the counterplay to THAT, and definitly needed. There isn’t nearly as much revealing as you make it out to be, and almost all of it is on situational skills not everybody might use. Heck, some forms are depending on which traitlines they take.

Plays an engi…. what a surprise. You don’t get bursted out of nowhere unless you never look at map or unable to use interrupts. One button to disengage? Okkkkk
Ok, let’s assume counterplay to stealth is needed, WHY CAN’T WE HAVE COUNTERPLAY TO ENGI SKILLS THEN? I am sure there should be just as much counterplay that locks out their entire trait line just to be fair. Why should thieves be only class being completely locked out of defensive (and offensive) abilities? I think it is time other classes get same threatment like thieves!

And you massively failed. I do not even have an Engi created, I play Necro and nothing else. Too bad you just wasted your credibility, huh?

Doesn’t change my point? Why should thief be only class that gets completely locked out of defensive trait line (and offensive high dmg) ? Why can’t thieves have ways of hardcounter other classes in same way? Why do other classes not get same kind of “threatment” from devs? Why are they getting silverspooned while thieves are forced to eat horse crap?

I don’t get it either…. i understand if they wanted to tone down class a bit but they didn’t just do that. They nerfed many thief skills across the board over years and buffed other professions. Then there is revealed handled out like candy on Christmas to everyone.

Thief went from 1v1 threat to independent utility pet in pvp that can’t fight on its own but is there to decap points and rez teammates. If nothing changes, come HoT there might be no thieves really left in pvp (besides some die hards and new players).

Maybe they are trying to force us to into DrD or revenant so we buy expansion, but really what a destructive way of marketing. Besides DrD is bad. Period.

It is really frustrating. You look at mesmers that fill exact same role and they get silverspooned beyond comparison. I do not understand devs. I simply don’t. I don’t see any logic in their balancing besides blatant class discrimination aimed at thieves. Who can protect us from devs? Nobody. Only choice is to quit game or reroll.

Kocoff.7582:

just waiting for bwe3 tbh… it’s going to be mission impossible.

actually HoT gonna be worse; because they just gonna buff elite specs even more…. problem is even if they buff DrD it will be still bad because it’s core is bad and they would have to completely remake entire spec

Shiki.7148:

There are way more things that remove chill which Reaper is supposed to utilize to be sticky than there is to stealth, and stealth is a way more “broken” mechanic.

Also OP you got it wrong: getting bursted out of nowhere or guys pressing one button to disengage any fight is the problem, giving out reveals is the counterplay to THAT, and definitly needed. There isn’t nearly as much revealing as you make it out to be, and almost all of it is on situational skills not everybody might use. Heck, some forms are depending on which traitlines they take.

Plays an engi…. what a surprise. You don’t get bursted out of nowhere unless you never look at map or unable to use interrupts. One button to disengage? Okkkkk
Ok, let’s assume counterplay to stealth is needed, WHY CAN’T WE HAVE COUNTERPLAY TO ENGI SKILLS THEN? I am sure there should be just as much counterplay that locks out their entire trait line just to be fair. Why should thieves be only class being completely locked out of defensive (and offensive) abilities? I think it is time other classes get same threatment like thieves!

Please tell me what else completely locks out entire trait line.

Eurantien.4632:

Its better this way because you end up winning more tournaments and then you wake up one day, log on, and have like 4 llamas and 8000 gems all of a sudden.

um you don’t…. you just get part of it

over 3 months as far as i know

still waiting for my gems as well~

kaikalii.4198:

I don’t see stealth as a profession mechanic in the same way something like steal is. It is a playstyle choice for survivability, the other major choice being evades. Many other professions have these kinds of choices. For example, mesmer has the choice to spec for shatter damage or phantasm damage, both of which have unique counterplay. With this analogy, getting revealed as a thief is similar to having your phantasms cleaved down as a mesmer. Sure, it hinders you, but it’s part of the game, and you work around it.

please name me a class that has attack that requires stealth….

please name me a class which whole defensive trait line is about stealth

wtb those effects on succesful steal, ty

the class bias from anet reached absurd levels

i reported quite few of such trolls, especially those that kick you at the end of the dungeon for their guildmate….. they never got banned…

Please, do something about it. I open path, i have no way to prevent 3 ppl from joining my group and kicking me whenever they please. AND I KNOW FOR FACT REPORTING THEM IS USELESS BECAUSE ANET NEVER BANNS PLAYERS FOR SUCH TROLLING. Why is dungeon trolling is supported? Why is trolling/griefing single players is supported?

Drennon.7190:

Anastasis.7258:

4. Shadow Art Thief’s Merciful Ambush, Stealth down Ally with 0 CD.

It’s not listed in the tooltip, but there is a 10 second CD per ally. Ignorance is typically what gets thief nerfed. Funny that you didn’t mention anything about warrior in your post. I feel that rampages damage is still too strong.

this^^

runeblade.7514:

Anastasis.7258:

2. Rune of Vampirism.

The bug got fixed.

4. Shadow Art Thief’s Merciful Ambush, Stealth down Ally with 0 CD.
6. Necromancer’s Signet of Vampirism goes through Block/Dodge/Invulnerability.
7. Necromancer’s Spectral Armor while in Death Shroud Mode.

I don’t see anything wrong with these.

and this^^

I play on EU, account is on EU, logged on EU, map IP is in US!!!!????…. latency above 100ms ofc.

Why?

Tool Belt Skill—Detection Pulse: Remove stealth from enemies in a large area.
On a short recharge, this toolbelt skill helps ensure that you are the one getting the drop on foes and not vice versa.

Because engis totally needed more tools vs thieves….. that weren’t able to touch engis for years now. Why all this thief hate? Why are you doing this? Why? Give me good reason please.

Well, seeing as revealed/anti-stealth mechanics (that are extremely easy to land) are being handled around like candy on Christmas to other classes while stealth is main mechanic of thief class (attacks requiring stealth, whole defensive trait line based on stealth) and they struggle vs every single class right now, i think it is time that thieves receive ways to hardcounter other classes.

My suggestion: change steal trait (example serpent’s touch) to apply Belladona effect (3? sec) – you are partially paralyzed unable to use some mechanics. Those mechanics depend class that was hit by steal.

Guardian: gains resistance to heals and blocks – meaning guardian hit by steal is unable to heal himself or get affected by block on himself for duration of the debuff.

Mesmer – unable to create clones.

Engineer – unable to swap kits, unable to block.

Warrior – unable to swap weapon, gains resistance to heals.

Ranger – unable to swap weapons, unable to command pet.

Thief – unable to stealth.

Ele – gains resistance to heals and boons – meaning ele won’t be able to receive boons or heals for duration of the debuff.

Necro – entire life force is stolen if steal hits.

Also, i would highly suggest to add trait “Cheat Death” in one of the defensive trees. Cheat death – an attack that otherwise would have kill you, brings you to 10% (arguable) HP, 60? sec ICD.

Discuss.

Slowmelt.8547:

Amante.8109:

Cynz.9437:

I am just wondering one thing: if i put slow on revenant, would his relentless assault (?) grant him longer evade frame? Also, i see big problem with it because atm i can double dodge/withdraw through sowrd 3 and maybe stay alive, if the spell is slower however i would need like 5 dodges to avoid absurdly high dmg from that spell. Frankly i don’t see how this specific stolen spell is actually useful vs revenant in particular.

That’s a good point, as I’m pretty sure Slow does increase Evade frames.

If I understand it right, it does.
That means Slow makes the Rev sword 3 better, not worse, since we’d have to blow 3 evades just to survive it—and would take a few hits between as well. Against a power-based Rev that may still be enough to down us in one go.

so actually stolen spell helps them to kill thief… el oh el

You think playing other classes and compare them to thief is depressing? Go play elite specs from other classes during beta weekend – you will just want to uninstall this game and never come back (or just delete your thief).

I am just wondering one thing: if i put slow on revenant, would his relentless assault (?) grant him longer evade frame? Also, i see big problem with it because atm i can double dodge/withdraw through sowrd 3 and maybe stay alive, if the spell is slower however i would need like 5 dodges to avoid absurdly high dmg from that spell. Frankly i don’t see how this specific stolen spell is actually useful vs revenant in particular.

Soloq players are majority, putting teamq and soloq together was never going to be popular decision (nor good for that matter).

Problem with most ranger players i experienced is not that class itself is terrible but a lot of them just stand somewhere and spam 1-2…. they don’t cap, don’t rez teammates, don’t stomp, don’t bother use their pet for CC to help teammates etc. There are however few rangers that i really enjoyed playing with but they are rather exception

PvE: i just can’t describe how much i hate rangers in pve as melee class. You try to dps an NPC and ranger always has to spam their knockback forcing you to chase NPCs consistently and making killing of the NPc quite ineffective. Every time i asked rangers why are they doing it, the answer was: because i can. That was always reason for me to insta kick them.

Then there is also bearbow……… see the post above me.

Straegen.2938:

Shogun.7401:

It’s sad that we are losing a fun class. I have no plans on playing any other class. I will wait for them to rework the thief class.

Ranger players waited over two years to get marginal class updates. Still my favorite GW2 fan video is the Ranger Hitler video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htHRErZM7QM

Lets hope this type of video isn’t needed for the thief class.

lol it is long overdue

MakubeC.3026:

Odyssey.2613:

The community cried big salty tears over stealth for years. Thief got nerfed and hamstrung into the dirt. Then the devs gave Mesmers tons of additional stealth and are now BOSS. What did the community do? Cheered and stole mommy and daddies credit cards to buy pet rocks.

This leads me to believe the vast majority of the community are idiots.

A thousand times this.

Yeah this whole “ability +1 should keep class weak, thieves are OP because of stealth” logic is completely destroyed by the fact that mesmers exist in their current state.

Straegen.2938:

GW2 should have nerfed the D/P builds or at least adjusted their method of fighting years ago. Then made nearly every other build of the thief better.

For the longest time in WvW the thief has been go D/P and gank or remain marginal in fights. There were a couple “fun” builds that could be effective in the right hands but that basically summed up where they were. This class is headed towards the old Ranger class state. Useless with a side of not needed.

D/p wasn’t issue, SA traits were (in wvw at least, in pvp nobody used them).
The thief class (e)nded (man dat forum censure is srsly overboard) in this miserable state because devs have 0 clue about the class (i mean watch POI, it is embrassing), done 0 testing with this class besides kicking helpless golems around HotM (if they ever actually did any testing, BS bug would have never go live) and they only listen to non-thieves complains…. what thief players ask/complain/leave feedback about doesn’t interest them (they needed almost 3 years to finally change LR). On top of it we get blatany lied to (see withdraw never implemented healing boost). As long as i played this game, this class been always discriminated as far as balance goes.

Why didn’t you take screenshots of such rare occasion? The joke is, that dev is probably responsible for some mobs textures and has nothing to do with class balance.

Except for thieves because Anet decided that thieves shouldn’t be able to fight any class in 1v1 (given same skill level).

Tactical placement of the rift IS skillful play (for example place it on the ledge at mid point in forest or on top of the mountain JP).

Btw, shadow refuge is useless if you get knocked out of it or get his by aoe reveal/taunt (see revenants, rangers, engis).

As far as guardian walls go, you can go in melee and not be affected by the wall, you can stop to attack as well or just get around the wall :| Here counterplay. How could player counterplay complete return of all skills used by mesmers? He can’t really unless he managed to CC mesmer for veeeeeeerrrryyy long time (which is unrealistic given stealth and stun breaks mesmers have)…. Holy hell how much would i love to press F3, use up all my ini, my utilities and press F3 again to get it all back. Possibility to kill rift is not needed, really?

My change wish list: adjust other classes so they have same risk/reward/opportunity costs correlation as thieves do. Other classes just excel too much in many areas just with one build where we are not threat to anyone right now.

Oh it was a bug after all. I couldn’t attack a single rift from all betas.

In 2 years of playing this game i got 2? key drops……
also i would understand key sale as reason, but tbh buying BL keys is worst idea possible, 90% of those just give you useless boosters

too true :/
/15 charrs with apples

From pvp/wvw perspective:

- thieves are weak. Period. The fact that only discussion in pvp forums/map chats is weither thief should stay weak because of +1 ability, only amazing (not even good) aka top 5 thieves are wanted in teams and having more than 1 thief on team is usually a los just shows how bad it is. (Just to name few reasons: other classes do more dmg, have more sustain, have more tools in one build, way lower risk and opportunity costs, better defensives and by all means not that much less moblity etc.)

- elite spec is bad and underwhelming. I could list all the reasons why but there are countless threads about it. The recent posted “changes” didn’t help the case imo. Look at all other elite specs so far (besides Tempest maybe, and even their recent changes were actually positive), our elite spec is just a joke in comparison.

- you watch POI streamed by ANet and allowed to observe how dev responsible for thieves doesn’t know the traits and by the sound of it, apprently whole thief balance is based on Ruby kicking golems in HotM.

I may be wrong, but based on this observations, i just can’t shake off a feeling that thief class is either an unpleasant chore for devs or they just want to reduce thief population in pvp/wvw to extreme minimum. Why? And how long will be thief players subject , in my opinion, to such blatant class discrimination?

Please prove me wrong or at least answer those 2 questions. If nothing radically changes untill HoT, it will be really bad for this class imo. If Anet has no plans on improving the situation i would rather just quit GW2 in peace and move on to next game.

- very frustrated, long time thief player~

Taunt is unavoidable, it goes through evade…. :|

Applying real life logic to game, okkkkkkkkk.

Death match is ok. Map itself is just bad, a lot of terrain bugs that prevent porting abilities like sb 5, shadowstep, steal etc.
Too many walls, too many plants in the cam – you literary can’t see wth is going on most of the time.

Go to mesmer forums, watch them begging for buffs, especially for chrono (WTH?!!??)…. because being top class along with dd eles is not enough….. man, really.

Recharge of mantras in background was anything but fine…. i am glad they fixed that bug. Nerf PU (which really needs to happen), maybe other GMs would be more interesting.

I don’ think thief is really bad, it is just other classes got overbuffed/are too strong. You would say: but doesn’t it make thief weak? No, not really. If devs did buff thieves like mesmers for example powercreep would be insane. Thief is actually relative close to balanced risk/reward/opportunity costs correlation (example, i can use head shot for interrupts, but at the same time i lose capability to do high dmg or get defensives (see BP+HS), i can use shadowstep as gap closer but i lose ability to clear condis and stun break). Other classes should be actually toned down to thief level imo. Right now playing almost all classes is very forgiving and you can have many things in one build (moblity, CCs, heals, high dmg) w/o actually sacrificing anything/much. It is really bad balance but then again devs probably don’t care about balance, they care about selling HoT.

my only issue with it is that it is unavoidable….
and can’t be blinded :/