Guild Wars 2

Artorius.6178:

achilleez.2750:

When my guy says “That looks valuable” or “You can never have too much treasure” when you’re 99.9999% sure that the item is worth kitten all.

‘’Rare treasure!’’

The funny part about this one is: usually female sylvari sound kind of cute and friendly BUT when they say this very phrase it is like they let inner Gollum out.

it is ok to interrupt stomp… it is not ok that it goes through evades and such… imo a bug
as far as ranger viability goes, you know class sucks when it has to rely on bugs :/

Dahkeus.8243:

MarauderShields.6830:

Dahkeus.8243:

Thief is amazing in conquest, but only if you play to its strengths, which is generally very different from other classes. Thieves excel at decapping undefended points with their unparalleled mobility and +1ing even fights to quickly turn the tide.

If you try to 1 v 1 or just jump in team fights from the start, you’ll find PvP to be an uphill battle and it will likely be very frustrating.

“This half-dead octogenarian is amazing at professional football, guys! It’s just that you have to play to his strengths, like getting water bottles for the active teamplayers, collect dirty towels after the rest of the team showers etc. instead of actually letting him play the game. And every team has someone who does this kind of stuff, therefore, he must be the best player on the team!”

Very creative analogy….but doesn’t fit at all.

It’s more like:
Poor Wayne Gretzky. He’s such a small little hockey player. He can’t check or hit nearly as well as anyone else and really shouldn’t engage in any fights. He can only skate fast and shoot well. How will he ever be good in hockey?!?

Devs will break his arms if he ever dares to score anything :P

drd is only spec so far where it is better not to take any GM…..lol

Starting a team on EU. Looking for good, active, mature players. Team experience required. The idea is to do ranked once leagues go live and tourneys.
Please mail/message me in game if you are interested and play one of the following classes:
- ele (dd)
- mesmer
- engi
- bunker guardian

Thanks~

Point is mesmers fill exactly same role yet it is thieves that should be pingeonholed into pet state where mesmers aren’t. And as argument everyone is using is that thieve’s role is to +1 but as i said that argument is completely useless because mesmers exist.

Glint from rev has aoe reveal on 20 sec CD, yes engis have reveal, rangers also have sick em (i actually faced quite few rangers using it). Taunt doesn’t directly reveal you but it forces you into reveal~

Poxxia.1547:

Cynz.9437:

Necros are waaaayyyyy better team fighters than thieves ever will be. Necros can stay in big scale fights, thieves will never be able to nor they ask for it.

Once again no thief is asking to be able to 1v1 every single class in game but at least have fair chance vs some of them. Also, once again WHERE DO MESMERS FIT IN THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT OF YOURS because they can fill exactly same role, have actually more stealth than thieves, more CC, higher burst and better survival.

I have yet to see a single post in any thread that managed explain why it is ok for mesmers to be how they are but not for thieves.

Mesmers don’t “fit in my argument” – I was under the impression we were talking about thieves. Attacking my argument by drawing in mesmers is a straw man.
My point is exactly the opposite: You can’t compare classes like that (or at least imo you shouldn’t be able to).
I think you should be a bit more specific about what you want to be able to do … in one build. And what you want to be able to do “in general”.

We are talking about thieves kept as pets in pvp and getting nerfed (directly/indirectly) across the board due to “+1 role.” So actually mesmers are really good argument in this very discussions since they fill exact SAME role and even use similar mechanics yet they can do so much more and somehow it is ok!??? Why can’t i compare those 2 classes? Why? Give me good reason?

Well frankly, thieves are ok in vacuum. Problem starts when other classes get in the picture. There were so many dmg buff, defensive buffs and passive thrown to them (and nerfs to thief mechanics, not to mention multiple brainless revealed spells) that thieves were simply left behind as far as their combat capability goes. The question is ofc which is easier: nerf passives from other classes and add higher risk/reward correlation (aka you actually have to work for your wins and not just mash face against keyboard) or give thieves more dmg/passives etc. (which tbh would be bad idea s it would just lead to more powercreep).

They want every thief to struggle in pvp otherwise they wouldn’t implement so many brainless revealed skill. If you didn’t get a clue from the patches for the past few years: Anet never cared about what thieves needed, only about complains from other classes. I don’t see how it will change now (especially if you look at this joke of elite spec).

Poxxia.1547:

Cynz.9437:

Every other class can 1v1 at least one another class… but thieves are not allowed to 1v1 anyone…. because… non-thieves decided so? OKKKKKK

This whole “you are suppose to +1 and not be able to 1v1” is such a horse crap that everyone keeps feeding thief players trying to excuse the state of the class.

Yay, pvp is player vs player but you are not allowed to fight players… what kind of logic is that?

Well, if you want to go on like that, then necromancers can go: “This is contest, but we are snails ergo we need thieves mobility”. In other words: In my opinion, classes should not be given every relevant function in one build. That thieves have had this in the past, does not imo make it right.

Do you in all seriousness find it right, that the class with the highest mobility and (imo) best escape-options also should be good in 1vs1 … in the same build? If it were in 2 separate builds, then I would have no issue with it at all, but if it was in the same build, I would seriously ask my self, why anyone would play anything else (give or take one bunker per team, but that is about it).

Necros are waaaayyyyy better team fighters than thieves ever will be. Necros can stay in big scale fights, thieves will never be able to nor they ask for it.

Once again no thief is asking to be able to 1v1 every single class in game but at least have fair chance vs some of them. Also, once again WHERE DO MESMERS FIT IN THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT OF YOURS because they can fill exactly same role, have actually more stealth than thieves, more CC, higher burst and better survival.

I have yet to see a single post in any thread that managed explain why it is ok for mesmers to be how they are but not for thieves.

kolompi.1287:

sinject.4607:

again, getting shoehorned into one and only one style of play is beyond obnoxious and unenjoyable. so hearing this patronizing “THIEF PLAYERS JUST WANT TO BE OP!!!” nonsense isnt helping anything, especially coming from someone who plays elementalist.

Sorry but are you saying you would want to play a bunker thief???

Why not? Guards can play bunker, condi burning dps and medi build. Why can’t thieves be more than stealth/rez pet?

Also, Anet really missed great opportunity to create bruiser team fighter thief with staff. I could totally see it being viable if staff was more about blocks, CCs, team support etc., monk style~ All we got is acro 2.0 with bugged/clunky traits/spells zzzz.

You are actually suggesting something that could help thieves? Get ready to be flamed by players and receive infaction points from mods.

Salt aside, seems like interesting suggestion however would require to code new debuff/mechanic and i think Anet is already too busy.

NeoSoul.4198:

Cynz.9437:

well every stolen spell supposed to help you to fight class you stole it from…. question is what counters revenants

How does the Ranger tree spell help you in any way to beat a ranger? The Engineer one is also pretty terrible.

read on of my posts in this thread, i explained it

D I V A.6018:

sephiroth.4217:

Burning is OP, ele can stack and maintain 20-29 stacks of AoE burn for 10s on a rabid burn build.

1. Don’t run in and out of ring of fire.
2. kek at them
3. ???
4. profit

you don’t always have a choice, sometimes you get knocked through it but since it is bugged you get double amount of stacks than intended

Non-thieves think thieves should +1 and avoid combat in PvP (which, last time i checked, was about player vs player COMBAT); it is like: hey you can do raids but you can’t kill bosses.

Devs seem to agree…. el oh el.

Every patch just tells me: hi, we at Anet think you should quit this class and play something else. Tnks, bye.

PvP: player vs player combat yet entire thief role atm is to avoid combat by all means. It is like saying: hey you can do dungeons but don’t you dare to fight/kill bosses :|

Take example bunker guards: they sacrifice offensive stats/traits to be able to tank points/defend team/support etc. They purposely drop offensive role and capability to 1v1 for the sake of great team support. It is OK.

Now here the thing with the thief: they sacrifice almost all defensives (which frankly are pretty crappy anyway) for offensive power and are still hardly any threat to ANY class atm. THIS doesn’t make ANY sense. +1 is not a role, it is part of the role. No thief is asking to be OP, all they ask for is to have fair chance vs some other classes (not all) in 1v1 and not to be free points for anyone, w/o support of teammates.

Ok, let’s assume +1 is a role and if you pick it you are not allowed to 1v1. Mesmers fill exactly same role yet they can 1v1 about any class in game atm. WHERE DOES THIS FIT IN, PLEASE EXPLAIN ME?

Then we also have a joke with “omg thieves are bad, l2p”: well if only about 10 thieves on EU are good and rest (99%) is bad while let’s say roughly 40% of eles are “good”, WHERE DOES THIS FIT IN? Statistically it simply doesn’t make sense unless you assume that thieves are played only by people with mental/physical problems (which is unrealistic). If 99% of the thieves are bad then it says something about the thief as a class compared to other classes.

I am personally sick and tired of being forced to play close to perfect vs eles/mesmers and co. that can’t land even half of their skills and yet get rewarded for bad gameplay where i get punished for 1 mistake. If thieves are balanced then every other class should receive same threatment.

Ehecatl.9172:

Maris.3164:

+1 is still not a role. I’d like to see people’s reactions if the same happened to say… Warrior, or ele. Force them into +1 role, making them obsolete in everything else and unable to 1v1. The uproar would be pretty hilarious.

The sad thing is, no one seems to care that thief is currently in that place.

It is a role. It’s a role rangers are trying very hard to break into with their longbow in fact. But they can’t because they don’t compete with thieves in terms of mobility.

It’s an interesting observation of the human condition that thieves are unhappy with the role they have that rangers desperately want just to be able to be competitive at all.

Tbh i think rangers should be more of team fighter/support. What drags them down is pet. If half of their mechanics didn’t evolve around pet i am sure the class would be stronger in other areas and more viable.

too busy playinf drd i am guessing

(well for my part, i am too busy killing drd thieves with old fashioned sa dp :P)

#thief #foreveralone

meow one twenty.4376:

Cynz.9437:

meow one twenty.4376:

Cynz.9437:

OP, the moment necro goes down, go in stealth before their downstate spell bar appears. If he can’t target he can’t cast the channeled spell. You should have been here when necros would 100-0 you in 1 sec in downstate form lol.

Link of old downstate for those who are curious

lol thats nothing (probably because it was guard), i would get literary 1 shotted by that on thief if i didn’t stealth up preemptively xD glad they fixed it~

Viiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid pls.

I remember one Thief who followed me away from the team fight to finish me off, I never used the trait for extra downstate damage. She downed me finally so I started my 1 spam… poor thing didn’t know what to do. She literally started running back and forth and behind things (Downstate 3 goes through objects, for people who didn’t know). Finally she came back around to die next to me with a “:(”

i think what happend to me back then was fire/air sigil proc+ necro traited downstate dmg + sprinal shivers, my entire HP bar got deleted instantly xD i would never let necro cast anything on me after that~

probably bees….. was sitting in royal terrance and someone had permanent aura of bees…. that buzzing got tiring pretty fast

meow one twenty.4376:

Cynz.9437:

OP, the moment necro goes down, go in stealth before their downstate spell bar appears. If he can’t target he can’t cast the channeled spell. You should have been here when necros would 100-0 you in 1 sec in downstate form lol.

Link of old downstate for those who are curious

lol thats nothing (probably because it was guard), i would get literary 1 shotted by that on thief if i didn’t stealth up preemptively xD glad they fixed it~

maybe self defense spell then kind of like plasma or healing seed….

OP, the moment necro goes down, go in stealth before their downstate spell bar appears. If he can’t target he can’t cast the channeled spell. You should have been here when necros would 100-0 you in 1 sec in downstate form lol.

DaShi.1368:

Cynz.9437:

DaShi.1368:

Thieves are actually fine. It’s just a lot of thief players expect to be able to instantly down people without any risk to themselves. So when their fragile builds fail, they come here to complain about things being OP. It’s just more of the attitude of “My build is supposed to beat X” that is so prevalent here.

this whole argument fails when we take mesmers into consideration

Not at all. Mesmers have nothing to do with it. That they are being brought up only furthers strengthens my argument that this isn’t about thieves, it’s about the unrealistic expectation of some thief players.

Just look at all the threads by thieves complaining about other classes. Then look at how many threads are actually about thieves. The real problem is obvious and it’s not the classes.

Did you even read what you wrote lol?

stealth up, he can’t kill you if he can’t target you

what is actually borderline broken is ranger downstate: multiple CCs(ranged, some of them aoe, some unavoidable) and great selfrez capability

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Cynz.9437:

no ty, it would cause so many instant deathes just because your HP is low

but 100 damage is not a large amount.
if 100 damage is too high, then 10 damage.
just some minimal damage to trigger fall damage.

the damage number can be adjusted so that instant death would not occur due to low health.

even 1 damage would suffice.

then we also have issue that fall dmg trait is not located in adept tier for all classes (laughably it is GM trait for thieves…….)

Aeolus.3615:

Cynz.9437:

DaShi.1368:

Thieves are actually fine. It’s just a lot of thief players expect to be able to instantly down people without any risk to themselves. So when their fragile builds fail, they come here to complain about things being OP. It’s just more of the attitude of “My build is supposed to beat X” that is so prevalent here.

this whole argument fails when we take mesmers into consideration

That is becouse game is not ment to be balanced, “metas” just shift from one class to another, players need to be clever and follow that.

That would make sense if this game had 100 classes (some of them similar) like mobas but it doesn’t. Having 2-3 classes overperforming while every other struggles to be viable in a game that has very few classes on first place is just garbage balance strategy and leads to majority of players being disappointed with game and quiting. Games are ment to be played for fun and not to make player feel like laughing stock just because Anet decided to handle class X an iWin button and nerf everything else.

Also, game becomes really boring if 1 specific class is outperforming. You know what happend during hambow meta? Evereyone played hambow. I remember having games with up to 8 wars in match. It gets very tiring very fast. Same is happening right now with DD eles. I see 3 dd eles on enemy team, i see 2 dd eles on my team and i just wanna afk because match gonna be complete snooze fest.

Who is going to pay the guy that would reprogramm starting build every time meta changes?
Even if new players would have meta builds it won’t change anything. Especially on classes that take time to learn. Give new thief meta dp build, he will still get farmed at spawn.

no ty, it would cause so many instant deathes just because your HP is low

DaShi.1368:

Thieves are actually fine. It’s just a lot of thief players expect to be able to instantly down people without any risk to themselves. So when their fragile builds fail, they come here to complain about things being OP. It’s just more of the attitude of “My build is supposed to beat X” that is so prevalent here.

this whole argument fails when we take mesmers into consideration

Nick.7621:

Edit Distracted Strikes applies confusion to yourself when you Headbutt lmfao.

well i guess that is why we have beta weekend to report finds like this
if it makes you happy, all physical thief spells use initiative atm :|

Yeah thieves are really fun. Once you go thief, every other class will feel slow and just not as fun. I really enjoy the moblity, quickness, stealth and just high risk gameplay. Playing other classes feels like playing classic mmorpgs (see wow), playing thief feels like playing action game xD

The downside is ofc that we are hated by about anyone that is not playing thief, get constantly verbally harassed (by players), get lied by devs (withdraw still didn’t receive promised 10% heal not to mention dubious marketing strategy with nerfing acro and intoducing drd=acro 2.0) and fill a role of a pet in pvp atm.

you have to steal it man :P

Actually that reminds me on legendary quest from wow for rogues: if you complete certain quests, achivements and collect necessary items as rogue you could get legendary daggers. Would be actually fun if it ever happend in some distant future in this game. Classes based legendaries, personal quest

i made a post about it on pvp forums (since it mainly affects pvp) https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Revenant-steal/first#post5457678 if you are interested in entering discussion and have some suggestions what stolen item from revenant could be

I honestly think the biggest issues are:
- burning base dmg (which should be lowered)
- rings that cause burning (ring of fire etc.) actually apply double amount of burning than intended if you port/get knocked through them, brush them slightly instead of running in straight angle through the line etc….. either they need to fix the angle issue or make those rings pulsing just like they did with many other fields…

imagine if backstab did double dmg because thief didn’t execute backstab perfectly behind the target but from the side…. that is basically what happening right now and judging by the lack of any fixes in that area it is ok with devs?

Every other class can 1v1 at least one another class… but thieves are not allowed to 1v1 anyone…. because… non-thieves decided so? OKKKKKK

This whole “you are suppose to +1 and not be able to 1v1” is such a horse crap that everyone keeps feeding thief players trying to excuse the state of the class.

Yay, pvp is player vs player but you are not allowed to fight players… what kind of logic is that?

Zero, i am admiring your efforts~

Why wouldn’t they? They are company and any company is there to make profit. Fairness has no place in business.

As i said in other thread: oh hey i want to sell you this super duper wheelchair diamond pro 7000. What, you don’t need it? Let me break your leg so you need it! That is basically what happend to daredevil.

The joke is, from my experience so far, in pvp meta dp build >>>>>>> any drd build. It is just too selfish and unreliable to compete with dp in conquest.

Nobody wants earrings ? :<

it is not shovel animation, it is conjured ele lightning hammer animation (don’t emember the number)

agree with thread overall though…..

This is all just assumptions. You still didn’t provide ANY proof that i said mes have it all IN ONE build. You are still putting words in my mouth.

Also, your statment about mesmer state in pve/wvw/pvp is based on what facts? I see plenty of mes in tourney, some teams even ran double mes.

What’s wrong with mes in wvw? Last time i was in wvw most groups ran in big blob spamming one. I am sure mes can do it just as good as any other class.

What is wrong with pve? Oh noes, you are not absolute top in pve. Who cares? Just because you need 1 min longer for dungeon run doesn’t mean you will get kicked from groups all the time. I NEVER saw mesmer getting kicked from any “speed run” groups either, ever.
Why would you want to stay in prolonged team fights on mesmer? It is not your job. Your role is roamer. Also, if you want to stay in team fights don’t run squishy build. You don’t see guards crying “Booohoo we can’t roam as good as thieves” because they fill different role and are good at it. Why should mesmers fill every role? If you actually want to stay and win big scale fights, i am sry but you are playing wrong class.

Some are so spoiled really. Other classes struggle to stay in meta, fill any role and you want all of them if i understand you right?

The problem with blocking back is that you already got harassment messages from the person that blocked you. I don’t see ANY good reason why person that blocked you should be able to spam you.

How dare you to tease me with sweets! I would sooooo love to eat a cake but i can’t or i would turn into fatty and my BF doesn’t like fat girls :<

OR i would have to do 10000 laps around the park and i would rather do some matches~

NICENIKESHOE.7128:

Didn’t you get the memo? Moa no longer prevents stomps or resses. And I do love a 6/6/6/6/6 build, haven’t seen that for a while really.

Oh look assumptions.
I didn’t say you can have it all in one build but you can have multiple of those things in one build. Some classes can only dream about it (see rangers). Point of my first post to show that mesmers already have many tools at their disposal, some classes don’t even have access to ANY of that NO MATTER what build they run. Asking for more tools for mesmers (which are strongest roamer and second best class in pvp) atm is just absurd, imo.

@AlphatheWhite.9351: oh look another assumption… please point me WHERE exactly did i say mes has it all in one build? Please, amuse me. Don’t put words in my mouth for the sake of argument.

Oh and while we are at it, make all mesmer spells blasts because boooohoooooo mesmers don’t have enough of those and can’t join might stacking train (according to mesmer forums). Oh and also water fields and fire fields to complete the picture. And iWin button. Don’t forget that one.

Levetty.1279:

Bubi.5237:

Cynz.9437:

Because mesmers are absolutely useless outside of 1v1~ /sarcasm

Where are they really useful outside of 1v1? Or to say, small-scale sPvP?
In wvw, they are roamers (1v1) or Veilbot/portalbot.. not useful.
In PvE.. are they in meta for other uses than portal-skipping/Reflect?
All of them are utilities.. not even one thing of our weapon skills are needed (well, if you have traited focus, then you can reflect.. but that’s meh)!

It really amazes me how out of touch people on these forums actually are about the game. They think becuase a mesmer one shot them in hotjoin becuase they were stood perfectly still in a berserker amulet spamming unload that Mesmers are great at every game mode and in every situation, completly failing to see the massive differences between the 3 game modes or even between a person who is good at PvP and them.

Oh i am sry, last time i checked mesmers were really good in conquest and were picked for tourneys. Heck, last tourney i won we had a mesmer. Portal is really good for team nukes, decaps, caps, rezzes with vamp rune/ele mist form. Slow/haste on stomps/rezzes is huge as well. Constant ranged pressure and lockdown, especially running pain train together with thief. I love aoe invul from shatter from teammates, it saved me many times. Invul is also great for stomps. Boon/stab strip on shatter. Stealth for teammates. Moa for target spike, preventing stomps, lord kills, removing rampage/plague etc.

Naaaah guize, mesmers are totally useless outside of 1v1. And i totally run p/p and spent my time in hotjoins after playing this game for 2+ years and few thousands of ranked matches. /sarcasm

No offense but seeing what posts get locked i honestly think that mods would be more useful by punishing players that cause actuall damage IN GAME by trolling matches, afking, ragequiting causing 4v5 etc. instead of spending their entire time backtracking some old posts in attempts to get someone banned.

Atm, there is 0 punishment for trolling matches.

Please make it so players that blocked you can’t spam you with messages. Thank you.

Because mesmers are absolutely useless outside of 1v1~ /sarcasm

That thread was proof how unreasonable community can be and how off touch are devs with state of thieves in game (they actually implemented some suggested nerfs). I guess someone didn’t want to get reminded that there is huge elephant in the room.
All they want to hear apprently is how amazing they are while using some rather dubious marketing methods to force us to buy xpac (nerf acro to make drd desirable).