Guild Wars 2

While I don’t like the condition meta; and I love me some retal

Guardians would become so ridiculously OP the only team we’d see would be
5 guardians.

Yea I remember spectating in gw1 was pretty cool.

Honestly a lot of the features of GW1 would be great in gw2 but I’m pretty sure they’re working from scratch to code these features in.. and it was probably much much easier to do with gw1 as it was much less sophisticated in terms of code structure imho. (MOUSE CLICK TO MOVE GAMES ARE THE BEST EVERRRR)

Yea for sure if you’re doing hotjoins mesmer is where it’s at
no one knows how to play there and you’ll have no problem juking players.

Ranger has been OP since forever,
Spirit ranger Nerfed: Beast master ranger/trap ranger Op
Trap Ranger Nerfed :Beast Master ranger OP
Beastmaster ranger Nerfed: Spirit ranger Rebuffed

Same thing with thief
Backstab thief Op, Pistolwhip thief Op Swordteleport thief Op
Backstab thief nerfed Pistolwhip thief Op Swordteleport thief Op
Pistol whip nerfed; Class wide thief nerfs; Sword teleport thief Op

Anet thinks they’re being really clever with their balancing but I think it’s quaint.

Guardian always gets buffed in patches but it’s usually things that are just seem random for me..

Elementalist on the other hand was super OP for like a short period of time and now they only have a 100-0 burst combo..

Necromancer/ranger is going to be toned down again I think, but who knows they might buff em instead remember when mesmers were OP and they gave em 3 times the might?

Mesmer has been consistently nerfed throughout, with some mediocre buffs/Bug fixes along the way and of course buffs to unusable weapons….
But is still a strong class, just not in this meta.

Retaliation/confusion/reflection is supposed to deal with AoE
but I guess it doesn’t really work when the Aoe is
CONDITIONS CONDITIONS EVERYWHERE.

Class wide nerf ? Really?
Yea that’s completely in line with Anet balancing
“Lets give Necros Burning and buff weakness all in one patch and make 1 spam on scepter just stupid”

Honestly there could be a nerf to a trait like
“15% illusion damage” or “15% Illusion damage”

But they were talking about build diversity and no one in their right minds plays phantasm anymore so we’d only have shatter left,

OH OH WAIT but they keep telling us to put 20 in inspiration so we can get condicleanse, so I mean I guess that means that those builds would take a hit too so maybe they’ll stop telling us to do that at least.

Are you literally kidding me?
“You have no idea where the real mesmer is RIGHT AWAY” yes you do.
“Illusionary Leap and Swap” “Without Being far away” “Teleport directly towards”

Illusionary leap is 400 range and cripples just so you know, and swapping(Immobilize) brings you to the target;
But Please keep ignoring the facts and posting just utter ridiculousness.

Blurred frenzy/leap can be interrupted/stunned before it hits,
Dodged and or mitigated easily.
Fear? do you know how to use fear? Yea. Fear interrupts it.
There’s many more!

But it’s so easy to mitigate it doesn’t even matter
Retaliation helps, Porting away helps, Evades help, sooooo many ways to get out of bf/immobilize if you fell asleep while the COMPLETELY telegraphed leap combo was coming right for you.

Please teach me, oh master rank 4 forum warrior.

Necro/Spirit ranger Ezmode right now
Warrior/Thief/Engi is Mid tier
Guardian is Strong but not easiest to play
Elementalist/Mesmer if you hate yourself.

There are some problems with spectating tpvp matches, like how much lag would it cause to have 5 people spectating for instance, and how many people can spectate at once… can you spectate and cheat for the other team?

You can always spectate in twitch.tv though but you can’t spectate specific matches and not everyone is an attention working girl, so you won’t get to spectate everything.

Wow, reducing phantasm CDs would be such a boon for shatter mesmers you don’t even know, most of my phantasms only attack once anyway.

Please anet, listen to this guy who has no idea about how to balance classes whatsoever Please buff my shatter mesmer.

silentnight warrior.2714:

Darnis.4056:

silentnight warrior.2714:

Well i must agree that you play well the mesmer class.
But i must agree with XII.9401 too.
When this meta is over mesmer will be king again and that is not because they all are skilfull players. If you dont belive whatch your vídeo and see how mach damage you did with clones/phantasms. Even when you cannot attack the AI did it for you.

hahahahah oh wow are you kidding me?

I guess you’ve never played a mesmer and therefore can’t even begin to appreciate the skill that it would take to play such a ridiculous build.

The AI does almost nothing for you, if you don’t believe me try playing count’s spec which he dreamed up while high on what I can only assume is new york grade A-bomb.

Well my first sentence was: “Well i must agree that you play well the mesmer class.” and for me to say thakittens because i enjoyed that play.

The AI does lots of things for you, as for exemple: You can immo some player without the need to go next to him (its dangerous you know) and then use your Blurred Frenzy (here i saw the skill needed to avoid all the damage from the other player while doing that high risk skill).

AI takes the damage for you, your oponents when you are always moving from one side to the other dont know right away where the real mesmer is. This while having phantasm up…

The AI for the mesmer is essential. If you dont believe me see the vídeo again.

I’ve read your posts in other threads on mesmers and I can only assume you have a personal vendetta against them or are just starting to learning the game.

The proof that you’re just new to the game and have no idea how to play is;
“You have no idea where the real mesmer is” Which is pretty hilarious…
“You can immo the player with a phantasm without getting close” LOL
“Blurred frenzy evades all damagezzz” Lol BF was just nerfed, you can still hit with certain abilities.

Because spectating hotjoin is so much more important.

Nerf mesmer thread during the “no one even plays mesmer atm because the meta”
You guys must be some kittenhurt hotjoiners or something..

No one sits around while phantasms deal all the damage,
Try playing mesmer you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Maybe you’re still dreaming it is a month ago and people still played phantasm builds (And people still played mesmer).

TL;DR The equivalent of that for other classes would be:
Make all Pet summons in combat only.
Make all Elemental weapon/Kit Summons in combat Only.
Make Engineer Turret casts dodgeable,
Make Necromancer minion casts dodgeable.
Make Guardian Weapon Summon casts Dodgeable.
Make Ranger Pet summons and Spirit summons dodgeable

silentnight warrior.2714:

Well i must agree that you play well the mesmer class.
But i must agree with XII.9401 too.
When this meta is over mesmer will be king again and that is not because they all are skilfull players. If you dont belive whatch your vídeo and see how mach damage you did with clones/phantasms. Even when you cannot attack the AI did it for you.

hahahahah oh wow are you kidding me?

I guess you’ve never played a mesmer and therefore can’t even begin to appreciate the skill that it would take to play such a ridiculous build.

The AI does almost nothing for you, if you don’t believe me try playing count’s spec which he dreamed up while high on what I can only assume is new york grade A-bomb.

Deified.7520:

Wait, this is a lie. Mesmers suck and aren’t viable!

Haha all joking aside, great montage. Some awesome fights.

Well.. countless clearly has achieved a ridiculous skill cap…
He is the 1% of mesmers…
His build doesn’t look standard at all …..

I kinda wish there weren’t as many video special effect edits… I think I would have enjoyed it more just straight up as the footage speaks for itself
(Unless all those people are really bad, I recognized Caed though.. so..)

I definitely learned that desperate decoy is pretty magical….
No one interrupted mass invis once, not even the interrupt warrior...

Give mesmers a serious answer to conditions in one of our good trees, or make Chaos/Inspiration worth putting points into.

Mesmers as a class are in the same place as staff Elementalists are as a weaponset..

sorrow.2364:

Also, GW2 is absolutely not 100% team based as I’ve already proved that in a topic I’ve made some time ago. It is team based at 30% at best.

Trolloloololololollo, where’s the peer review? OH RIGHT there isn’t one, referencing a post you made yourself sure is hefty proof you’re right.

Honestly if you have no idea what you’re talking about why even bother posting?..

Mesmer is nonviable in the current meta, any team that has a mesmer on it is going to have a much harder time then a team that has two necros instead of just one.

2 necros 1 Spirit 1 Guard 1 S/D Thief(or Engi or even warrior.) is the meta.
If you drop the spirit ranger your back point is going to get capped
If you drop a necro you’re going to lose those team fights.
If you drop the S/D thief for a mesmer Lolololololololololololol
Guards don’t get dropped.

Oh but the mesmer has Moa! What a genius argument that is, how useful one elite is!
Look how well it stacks up to what a Necro can bring to a mid team fight. oh right it basically doesn’t.
Look how well it stacks up to what a Thief/Ranger can bring to close/far point skrimish
OH! LOL Again,

BUT MOA IS OP which is why most mesmers run timewarp.

1)250 Use- PvP Mystic Salvage kit;

2)Modifier Kit Salvaging for no confirmation;
Alt+ Click to salvage = no confirm salvaging in pvp

3)Mystic forge Does not clear combine components after combines.

4)Battle Of Khylo;
Trebuchet Always spawns facing one direction.

5).Stacking for Tokens up to 1000, or a use for them
Free/paid tokens in my inventory have reached over 500~.

Small changes but would mean a lot to me since we’re moving in a slow but steady patch pace in pvp

Also; The Suggestions forums is for PVE ideas.. honestly.. we need our own subforum to even be heard.

Just ask the mesmers on the opposing team to put on /lfg.. I’m sure they’ll comply.

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/55030-pvp-mystic-forge-recipes/

Need a resign button imho.

[Quote]Still convinced only a few classes can do this. I’ve blown through 300 tickets on my guard. Still no luck.[/quote]

I thought so too playing mesmer, I was like oh man some classes like necro/engi/ranger have it so easy..

Till I respecced into a completely unintuitive Runspeed/tank build and demolished her super super easy.

MESMER !!
After 30 Losses with my PVP build I realised I needed something else…

My build Beat her in 2 tries and It was extremely extremely easy. I beat her so quickly It made my head spin.

Domination 20
Empowered Illusions Crippling Shatter

Dueling 20
Phantasmal Fury Deceptive Evasion

Inspiration 30
Compounding Celerity Warden’s Feedback Mending Shatter

Blink, Phantasmal Disenchanter (WORKS GREAT) Feedback.

Sword/focus , Greatsword

I did this with no runes no sigil Berserker+Ruby orb gear Green/blue/no sigils weapons no food.

Phase 1 Pull her clones into the spinning vortexes in phase 1 for a quick GG
Phase 2 Start off with warden and disenchanter, run around and spam greaatsword damage and Curtain pulling her minions away from you.

Run around like a crazed Chicken win in under 3 minutes.

EASIEST FIGHT BY FAR when you’re not running shatter 20/20/00/30.
I did everything I could on shatter, I used boosters ;Rejuv/sprint, I even put a roadmarker into the arena for swiftness, 3 types of food. bashed my face into the keyboard A LOT but when I respecced I just destroyed her it wasn’t even a 3 minute fight

If you pulled into it you get a free rez… by killing the orb after.

Lol the mesmer forum?.. Terrible place, one should never go there..

XeKC is probably one of the hotjoin heroes who thinks because he loses to mesmer on his s/d Thief Spirit-ranger or SUPERDUPER burst Elementalist he thinks mesmers are completely balanced because he doesn’t know how to play his class.

@XeKC; No reason to post further is more like it.

I don’t think speccing inspiration for burst condi clear is a terrible idea, it’s just that there’s no reason to bring such a mesmer into a high end pvp game, why not bring a second Engi Ele or Guardian instead, even necro can do a good job of cleansing with staff 4.

So what is a mesmer even supposed to be anymore?.. Is it a roamer? Well not really thief ele engi and even warrior can do that job better..

Is it a Home Defense Portal master? Hmm not quite since Spirit ranger can fill that role better..

Is it a team fighter? Why bring mesmer to a team fight in this meta?..

Ban Asura..
It’s ridiculous that there is one race which gives you such huge advantages…
It’s even more ridiculous how the devs are completely ignoring this problem.
Different animations;
Small small Size;
= Over powered.

haha I so called how easy to circumvent this system would be when people were crying hard for punishment for afker/leavers..

welp wipe your tears Mr.53, you’d think by now you’d used to taking a loss due to incompetent players once in a while if you’re soloqueing.

Who’d waste company resources on handling reports of afkers? ;/

AND it’s basically impossible to automate because then you’d have moral hazard, i.e people would start sending 4 reports in @ incompetent players.. or just people they don’t like.

Yea I mean If I had to list the five best comps of all time it’d be
5 mesmers
4 mesmers 1 warrior
5 mesmers
and 3 mesmers 2 warriors.

Mesmers right now are where warlocks were before skillcoil…
The mushrooms in the rock paper scissors triangle.

@Ace.
Just take a look at the votes
70% of people answering rate mesmer below B tier..
Mammoth has his list flipped because of the urgency of the mesmer problem.

Mesmer % in tournaments has dropped Significantly
Before it was 1 per team now it’s one per ten.
No Mesmers in PAX;

If you think Mesmers are the best group utility/DPS wrapped into one package, and no one is running them in the actual competitive scene you’re delusional, or all those teams are full of baddies, and you should be crowned winner here and now.

S-Tier-Master-race-Needs-to-be-toned-down-tier
Necromancer
Burst Elementalist
Spirit Ranger

B-Tier-Balanced-
Everything else

P-Tier-Peasant-
Mesmer

LoBo.1724:

OP should try playing Warrior for 6 months.

Warrior is ..in a pretty good spot right now… not amazing but not free points like mesmer is right now..

But enough troll feeding.. Back to the topic..

Mesmer is in a bit of a slump right now.. I thought it was because my build was unviable or too high skillcap for me but no mesmer really is hurting…

Should mesmers get buffs? Hmmm.. no probably not, well maybe if you buffed the unuseable skills/traits people in this thread keep referencing..

Like the Torch…. (Which makes you even worse at holding points in a conquest game)

Maybe make Arcane thievery 20s CD instead of 45? or atleast bring it down to nullfield, right now there is absolutely NO Reason to use this over nullfield..
The Cleanse on shatter trait is in a joke trait-line.. maybe if it was a minor trait somewhere else or built into a viable trait you’d see it run.

(Okay this maybe a bit OP) A built in 2condicleanse in distortion would be nice… especially since we only have the one real distortion skill now

OH YEA…Tuning down engineer’s poison grenades would help a bit

Terrible luck with these things as always 2 scraps in 10 chests.
some guy in map chat of course got 11 scraps and 1 Gold in 20.

All I read was “Buff Bunkers”
No thank you sir, I do not enjoy fighting extremely strong(Skill wise) bunker guardians already…

By buffing toughness or adding additional resistances bunker meta is going to takeover. What I’m getting from this thread is “conditions are OP” Conditions are quite strong right now even with Poison not working properly, I totally agree, but Most classes have strong counters

Need to take out Necros? Get Warriors.
Need to take out Warriors? Get Mesmers
Need to take out Mesmers? Get Necros.

The new meta isn’t even CONDI-SPAM it’s counter-comping.

Ugh . what even is this.. you came for esports?..
I came for good fites.

“Waiting times”?
Que times are almost instant.. again you have no idea what you’re talking about..

“Go play wvwvw or pve not the answer”
No really ? :/ I didn’t suggest that they play wvwvw I quoted an above poster who I disagreed with.

I recently leveled my mesmer for no reason other then boredom while waiting for tournament Ques with standard shatter 20/20/00/30 and phantasm traits build .. it wasn’t too hard actually.. I don’t think there’s really a need for a specific build but here are some notes;

Greatsword staff Sword/pistol Sword/focus works great

Decoy and phantasm signet are really hard to not use in pve

Deceptive evasion in Dueling 20 helps a lot with Phantasm Signet you can harvest nodes while your Phantasms dps and your clones tank.

Phantasms have fury trait 15% illusion damage and you can AI play-Afk your way to victory.

Easily solo Veterans, probably can solo champions with efficiency but I’m too lazy to do that for such petty rewards.

Your arguments sound like a lot of theorycrafting and not actual play in tpvp or even hotjoin :/
“I asked a friend?” lol..

Bottomline; rank 7 is like 20 hotjoin games and really not a indicator of anything; play some tpvp to check if your “theorycrafting” is right..

If you don’t like it go to wvwvw as Karla Gray has purposed.
If the semi-competitive side of the game isn’t intriguing to you
maybe the casual side will be.

Yea necro scepter 1 spam is ridiculous; Extremely fast Undodgeable (basically); 60% to crit extra bleed, 50% To crit Burning 50% to crit weakness, Poisons on 3rd strike,
I’ve taken Glass engies/thieves to 25% hp with just 2 chains..

Dream team ; Minionmancerx2, Phantesmer, Turretneer Spiritnger,

That’s not really true, the style of game play in hotjoin is completely different, we are talking about “fast-paced 8v8” right? where 8 people zerg one point while the other 8 zerg a different point? Where Winning doesn’t matter and all the points are made up? The difference between hotjoin and tpvp is huge… it’s hectic unrefined unstrategic everybody is running either a troll build or a troll build, hotjoin is supposedly there to “teach people pvp” but it really just teaches them how to farm glory by fighting off point always rushing far never defending and never working with your team.

It’s like playing chess and checkers :/ same board different game.

Oh? for some reason I wrote 50% .. eh… must be tired..
Yea I was referring MOSTLY to Engineer’s grenade spam, but
Necro Scepter autoattack(PoisonWeakness3bleedBurning COMBO lol) has really good uptime Thief dagger autoattack has a pretty good duration for spamability, so does Ranger’s ’Stalker’s strike’ (10s)..

I dunno… it feels like this guy has just been doing hotjoin and is bored..(r7)
Of course this is the case there are no strong players in hotjoin and the style of play is LETS MAXIMISE GLORY GAIN.

I agree that new game modes would be good for Gw2 though… everyone wants some new game modes I think it was voted top request in a recent poll.

Mmm I don’t really want it to be fixed immediately..
Poion is IMHO a bit too strong/prevalent with most classes having easy access to it and the ridiculous durations…. IMHO something so game changing as a 50% heal debuff needs to be more skillshot based not put down and forget about during an opening rotation.

Ew Try PVE+? are you trolling? There’s a reason why there’s a 0 balance approach to wvwvw why you have pve skills and food/consumables available, mainly it’s that it’s not pvp it’s high end PVE…

If you enjoy pvp you’ll enjoy tournament mode, even soloque tournaments can be fun..

By pve+ I meant wvwvw of course :/ there are some medium strength players there..
Smurf accounts? why would anyone do this.. you can just as easily afk your way to a low rank.

Yes please don’t penalize players who want to play with a friend :/
Allow duo que to work in Soloque

I agree with you and I’ll raise you a
“You can’t really tell what an asura is at all most of the time”

It’s quite possible that hardcore PVE+ are leaking into pvp after realizing their land of foodbuffs and PveSkills and also Zero balance isn’t very skill based so even they will be strong as say r20-30 at lv5-10

Hmm It looks like I got here a little late..

I agree with necro being completely over the top right now.. but I don’t think the devs are as keen on whack-a-moling the class they just brought up so much…..

2. Remove ALL deathshroud on death (not downed).

I think this is actually very important…. no other class is allowed to retain any progress.. why should the necro?… DS generation is important and if you get lucky enough to handspam some poor guy off point you shouldn’t be rewarded for it all match even after dieing a couple of times..

Other then that.. necro isn’t extremely strong in 1v1… but in a team fight ….hmmmm.. probably a lot better then most professions.

I think you’re right about the fact that no class should be able to significantly shift the meta..

Everyone and their mom is running melandru and any form of condi removal they can get their hands on now, everyone.. even necros, I think that’s pretty ridiculous..