May need to hold back on buying strength runes. They may be nerfed in the near future.
Classic AH 0 0 30 30 10 with the new grandmaster trait force of will. (add 300 vit)
Triple shouts. (stand your ground, hold the line, and retreat)
Soldier Runes spot condition removal + synergy with shouts
GS/Staff or Hammer/Staff
pvt/knights equipment
You’ll do low damage but the point of a commander is not to do dmg but to lead and survive.
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Whoops forgot to say, it’s primarily used for PvE
Go full zerk if that is the case, or at least swap your traits for a dps oriented. Currently it’s more of a bunkerish build and dungeon teams will not like you. (note I said “bunkerish” because it’s not really even a full bunker)
I also don’t understand the cleric weapons. You’re not going to gain any noticeable advantage from the little healing power you get and it will nerf your dps.
People ragequitting is nowhere near a problem in this game. It’s not as if their spot is forever locked down by them. This is not like league of legends or other mobas where when someone ragequits your team is basically guaranteed to lose since you can’t replace them. They can be easily replaced in a matter of seconds.
In fact it’s a great thing when they rage quit. It shows their character and you definitively don’t want the type of person that rage quits so easily in your group in the first place.
Guards are good as it is. The only way it would be better is if condition builds were viable to add to the variety of builds. As it is post patch that may be in fact possible. I am currently testing out some variants.
The end fights and miasma machine events are all timed which means dps > support. (blue/green/red generals, prime hologram) Bringing full support with low dps just makes you more of a burden in that situation not to mention the burst damage from boss will most likely 1/2 shot most people anyway making healing support not that useful. At least not as useful as knowing the mechanics and knowing when to dodge.
The other events can be steam rolled by any build provided you got sufficient numbers and know the mechanics so building dedicated support build there is not that useful either.
If I were you I’d “support” the zerg with a dps build or a bunker build that can stay alive enough to help revive people downed in lightning trails or aoes.
-Would you join a guild exclusively for Legit dungeon runs?
-All bosses would be fought as intended.
-Light skipping would be fine, aka playing smart around patrols, or unless ENTIRE group want to treat something as a Gauntlet event.
-Good group cohesion, of skill, but not meta groups.
-Please this is not a discussion of legit play forum trolls.
-Time for Positive play dungeoners to come together, or abandon all hope.-simple yes or short comments.
I find it beyond ironic that someone trying to argue against “bigotry” states as a mission statement to enforce playing only a certain way.
Fractals are supposed to be mini dungeons. Dredge is longer than most explorables. Not to mention the mechanics of it is just tedious and annoying. It’s not a l2p issue, it’s more of a matter of fun vs not fun.
Empowering might change will be a huge boost in pve.
You probably don’t want to do any type of condition builds for fractals due to stacking limits and conflicts with conditions applied by teammates.
You contribute to part of that failure. Much like a man who causes what happens in his future simply because he saw it.
Wrong. Having consistent success with something that is works 100% of the time over taking a gamble and having something that sometimes works better and sometimes fails is NOT failure. You are the one contributing to any failures because failures only have a chance of happening in YOUR system.
That poor caps lock key.
Also simply typing ‘Wrong’ isn’t really convincing me. If you think you are having ‘success’ by running a subpar build and not contributing as much as you could be then be my guest. I could run dungeons naked and be successful because the rest of my team is carrying. Just for the love of ‘Dwayna’ stay out of my parties.
I caps locked a grand total of 2 words for emphasis lol. Over react much? Maybe that’s the only thing you can attack me on because you literally don’t have any valid arguments left?
And I don’t really care about convincing you actually because you’ve already made up your mind regardless of facts. I’m not just saying you’re wrong as I’ve already demonstrated exactly where your argument fails. I’m just presenting the facts to open minded people here so they don’t fall for your narrow minded argument.
You really have yet to demonstrate anything other than indignation.
It’s really not my fault if you choose to not read the arguments presented to you and pretend they are not there.
It’s best not to entertain bad arguments.
Except his premise was that I had no arguments, and while whether or not my argument was good or bad can be debated upon the assertion that I had no arguments is wrong on its face.
I..I think I just broke someone. >_>
Um.. ok whatever makes you feel better about yourself I guess.
You contribute to part of that failure. Much like a man who causes what happens in his future simply because he saw it.
Wrong. Having consistent success with something that is works 100% of the time over taking a gamble and having something that sometimes works better and sometimes fails is NOT failure. You are the one contributing to any failures because failures only have a chance of happening in YOUR system.
That poor caps lock key.
Also simply typing ‘Wrong’ isn’t really convincing me. If you think you are having ‘success’ by running a subpar build and not contributing as much as you could be then be my guest. I could run dungeons naked and be successful because the rest of my team is carrying. Just for the love of ‘Dwayna’ stay out of my parties.
I caps locked a grand total of 2 words for emphasis lol. Over react much? Maybe that’s the only thing you can attack me on because you literally don’t have any valid arguments left?
And I don’t really care about convincing you actually because you’ve already made up your mind regardless of facts. I’m not just saying you’re wrong as I’ve already demonstrated exactly where your argument fails. I’m just presenting the facts to open minded people here so they don’t fall for your narrow minded argument.
You really have yet to demonstrate anything other than indignation.
It’s really not my fault if you choose to not read the arguments presented to you and pretend they are not there.
It’s best not to entertain bad arguments.
Except his premise was that I had no arguments, and while whether or not my argument was good or bad can be debated upon the assertion that I had no arguments is wrong on its face.
You contribute to part of that failure. Much like a man who causes what happens in his future simply because he saw it.
Wrong. Having consistent success with something that is works 100% of the time over taking a gamble and having something that sometimes works better and sometimes fails is NOT failure. You are the one contributing to any failures because failures only have a chance of happening in YOUR system.
That poor caps lock key.
Also simply typing ‘Wrong’ isn’t really convincing me. If you think you are having ‘success’ by running a subpar build and not contributing as much as you could be then be my guest. I could run dungeons naked and be successful because the rest of my team is carrying. Just for the love of ‘Dwayna’ stay out of my parties.
I caps locked a grand total of 2 words for emphasis lol. Over react much? Maybe that’s the only thing you can attack me on because you literally don’t have any valid arguments left?
And I don’t really care about convincing you actually because you’ve already made up your mind regardless of facts. I’m not just saying you’re wrong as I’ve already demonstrated exactly where your argument fails. I’m just presenting the facts to open minded people here so they don’t fall for your narrow minded argument.
You really have yet to demonstrate anything other than indignation.
It’s really not my fault if you choose to not read the arguments presented to you and pretend they are not there.
You contribute to part of that failure. Much like a man who causes what happens in his future simply because he saw it.
Wrong. Having consistent success with something that is works 100% of the time over taking a gamble and having something that sometimes works better and sometimes fails is NOT failure. You are the one contributing to any failures because failures only have a chance of happening in YOUR system.
That poor caps lock key.
Also simply typing ‘Wrong’ isn’t really convincing me. If you think you are having ‘success’ by running a subpar build and not contributing as much as you could be then be my guest. I could run dungeons naked and be successful because the rest of my team is carrying. Just for the love of ‘Dwayna’ stay out of my parties.
I caps locked a grand total of 2 words for emphasis lol. Over react much? Maybe that’s the only thing you can attack me on because you literally don’t have any valid arguments left?
And I don’t really care about convincing you actually because you’ve already made up your mind regardless of facts. I’m not just saying you’re wrong as I’ve already demonstrated exactly where your argument fails. I’m just presenting the facts to open minded people here so they don’t fall for your narrow minded argument.
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Shout healing is bad. It is nowhere comparable to the effectiveness from the amount of dps you and your group would gain from banners.
Shout Healing is bad, and so is Regen Banners lol.
The banner are good without any trait and can be use by any warriors. So stop trying to say that oh man my banner are good because they boost DPS. Yes of course its a utility skill you don’t need regen banner to make them give DPS boost.
Wrong. Regen banner is good. You admit yourself banners are good without any traits. The regen is just value added to an existing skill that is good.
Taking shouts exclude the option of getting banners. Those things are mutually exclusive which makes shout healing option an inferior option in every way.
Like Guanglai said you trade personnal DPS for Surviability, Regen Banner and Empower Allies. You CAN’T talk about normal banner here man, any warrior can bring them, there is nothing new here.
Empower allies is a good trait so no question here.
Regen Banners are not that bad, i mean i would prefer someone using Heal Shout because banner can’t help you if you run around and less cooldown on FGJ and OMM are not that bad either. But i understand, if someone need a bit of defense and can’t go into full DPS, i rather they bring some support and not only survivability.
Ok so you have 30pts in tactics for some survivability and support. Ok i can live with that. But 20pts in Defense really. That only bring you limited amount of survivability but you sacrifice a lot of DPS. These 20pts in Defense should really be in Strength, Arm or Discpline to get those damage modifiers like Slashing Power, Beserker Powers or Dual Wielding. Even if you need to replace 1 or 2 piece of armor for Knight gear so you have your own survivability if you need to.
A 30/10/0/30/0 Build would make a lot more sense if you want to bring a bit of support and need some survivability for yourself. The meta build with some knight armor would be even better, again if you need some survivability.
Shout healing is bad. It is nowhere comparable to the effectiveness from the amount of dps you and your group would gain from banners.
You contribute to part of that failure. Much like a man who causes what happens in his future simply because he saw it.
Wrong. Having consistent success with something that is works 100% of the time over taking a gamble and having something that sometimes works better and sometimes fails is NOT failure. You are the one contributing to any failures because failures only have a chance of happening in YOUR system.
#Warlord
Warrior is the pve easy mode. If you can’t handle running warrior on meta build I shudder to think what you would consider as a build for a class like thief and elementalist.That’s a terrible build for speed run and high level fractal. Such a small DPS that you just can’t do speed run and for fractal you have DPS checkpoint that gonna make you fail every time if most people use this kind of build.
The build has full zerk on every slot and runs empower (+150 power to group) and 2 buff banners. If that is “small dps” then I don’t know what qualifies as big dps.
There’s a point in which sacrificing group support for dps gives diminishing returns. Between regen banners and empower and full zerk gear there’s plenty of dps in the build while also providing sustain and dps buff to the whole team.
Your build doesn’t even has a single damage modifier trait checked. Just putting zerker gear on is meaningless when you’re actively avoiding any trait that amplifies all damage. Just 5 more points into arms and you would at least get Attack of Opportunity. As it stands, your build is a zero dps build that just so happens to run zerker gear.
Anyone can put together a pure dps build if personal dps is ALL that matters. The problem is your dps means nothing if you can’t stay alive.
It doesn’t matter whatsoever that there’s no modifier traits because with the empower and banners you provide your team with far more dps output than what you can put out yourself given a pure personal dps build. Never did I pretend the one I posted was some highest dps build. The build trades away some portion of dps for survivability. That’s all.
You’re free to provide a link to a build that you think would be more effective. I’d love to take a look.
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Your philosophy towards building expecting failure also prevents you from capitalizing on success. Fatalism often invites failure.
Building expecting failure of team is the only intellectually honest thing to do in pugs because you can’t control the builds of your teammates, only yourself. Why use a rune setup that works wonderful a small portion of the time due to bad pugs when you can use a rune setup that works decently 100% of the time.
Consistency in success is not failure.
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There’s a vote when someone kicks though, why were the other party members voting with him? ;/
Because people click without thinking.
Anyway, running the knights will give you more dps, group support, and practice running an optimal build than AH. AH isn’t absolutely awful for gs + sword/focus builds since you have points to spare for MoC and blind/vuln spam still with 0/15/30/0/10 and points to spare. It just isn’t optimal in any way and no point in runningit. For hammer though it isn’t viable since you lose too much.
Question, why would knights give you more dps? If dps is what you want why not just go full zerk?
20/25/0/0/25 with knights armor would give more dps and group support than ah zerk.
Hmm that seems like an over-exaggeration but none the less it’s not what I asked.
I asked why are you using knights in YOUR build when you could simply use all zerk.
I use full zerk myself and encourage people to do the same. I labeled that as main set. I labeled the knight set as a starter set, back up (if pugs are failing hard), or for the few tactics I listed for fractals. I realize that not everyone will be capable of running this at their current level of play so I put knights in there as an option for new/struggling players. It’s a good option for those people until they make their way to full zerk.
Ok. That’s all I was wondering.
Nobody is asking you to play the meta; however, your comments result in being misleading for new players and a waste of time for experienced players. You are really arguing against facts which have been proven in many ways (as much as a game without addons allow).
e.g. I also had problems in playing Scholar runes, but that was not due to the fact that the runes were not the optimal choice for PvE DPS
For the 100th time one of my guardians IS playing the meta build. Do you people even bother to read or do you just jump at anything that questions the sacred “meta” build which you all mindlessly worship? It’s like I’m trying to reason with a bunch of rabid Bieber fangirls.
I understood that you weren’t playing Scholar runes, hence not playing the meta.
Anyway, I tried to be constructive, but it really seems you just want to feed the argument for the sake of it. For this reason, I am out.
Scholar runes only work if you are in a well coordinated team where you can maintain your hp. Otherwise for dps purposes even ruby orbs are better.
You see the difference between you and I is that while I saw this discrepancy in practice and adjusted for it you mindlessly copycat, follow, and defend it.
Since this comment was totally uncalled for, I will just add that you do not know how I got to play the meta build. Your “seeing the discrepancy and adapting to it” seems more an excuse than anything else.
So, just to be clear, it seems to me that the difference between you and I is that I learned to play the optimal meta build, You did not.
Peace.
Nope, you’re just mindlessly copycatting a rune setup that works well only in well coordinated chat enabled teams and mistakenly thinking it will work better in all situations.
Conversely as I’ve stated I realized this limitation and made adjustments so that it will work well in all situations including pugs and other disorganized teams. So the difference between you and I is that I actually learned to play while you learned to copy.
Class dismissed.
I actually pug and gear check and have perfect runs with people in full scholar/zerk running the correct builds without voice com pretty regularly. I have no idea what you get these assumptions.
Being able succeed in a run while having scholar runes doesn’t mean you’ve actually managed to take advantage of the 6 pc 10% damage bonus enough to make it worth having over for example ruby orbs if dps is what you are after.
Fact is pugs are terrible sometimes, and maintaining 90%+ hp in a bad pug in high lvl fractals is near impossible.
Anyway, running the knights will give you more dps, group support, and practice running an optimal build than AH. AH isn’t absolutely awful for gs + sword/focus builds since you have points to spare for MoC and blind/vuln spam still with 0/15/30/0/10 and points to spare. It just isn’t optimal in any way and no point in runningit. For hammer though it isn’t viable since you lose too much.
Question, why would knights give you more dps? If dps is what you want why not just go full zerk?
20/25/0/0/25 with knights armor would give more dps and group support than ah zerk.
Hmm that seems like an over-exaggeration but none the less it’s not what I asked.
I asked why are you using knights in YOUR build when you could simply use all zerk.
Nobody is asking you to play the meta; however, your comments result in being misleading for new players and a waste of time for experienced players. You are really arguing against facts which have been proven in many ways (as much as a game without addons allow).
e.g. I also had problems in playing Scholar runes, but that was not due to the fact that the runes were not the optimal choice for PvE DPS
For the 100th time one of my guardians IS playing the meta build. Do you people even bother to read or do you just jump at anything that questions the sacred “meta” build which you all mindlessly worship? It’s like I’m trying to reason with a bunch of rabid Bieber fangirls.
I understood that you weren’t playing Scholar runes, hence not playing the meta.
Anyway, I tried to be constructive, but it really seems you just want to feed the argument for the sake of it. For this reason, I am out.
Scholar runes only work if you are in a well coordinated team where you can maintain your hp. Otherwise for dps purposes even ruby orbs are better.
You see the difference between you and I is that while I saw this discrepancy in practice and adjusted for it you mindlessly copycat, follow, and defend it.
Since this comment was totally uncalled for, I will just add that you do not know how I got to play the meta build. Your “seeing the discrepancy and adapting to it” seems more an excuse than anything else.
So, just to be clear, it seems to me that the difference between you and I is that I learned to play the optimal meta build, You did not.
Peace.
Nope, you’re just mindlessly copycatting a rune setup that works well only in well coordinated chat enabled teams and mistakenly thinking it will work better in all situations.
Conversely as I’ve stated I realized this limitation and made adjustments so that it will work well in all situations including pugs and other disorganized teams. So the difference between you and I is that I actually learned to play while you learned to copy.
Class dismissed.
Anyway, running the knights will give you more dps, group support, and practice running an optimal build than AH. AH isn’t absolutely awful for gs + sword/focus builds since you have points to spare for MoC and blind/vuln spam still with 0/15/30/0/10 and points to spare. It just isn’t optimal in any way and no point in runningit. For hammer though it isn’t viable since you lose too much.
Question, why would knights give you more dps? If dps is what you want why not just go full zerk?
Zeal. The reason is it grants power. Basically power is what you want to stack while leveling. Once you hit lvl 60 and unlock your grandmaster traits you can start getting your final build in order but until then I recommend stacking power and other offensive traits like prec. It will make going through content faster.
You would need to give up more than just a 10% multiplier for AH which is the problem. The last one I listed was the free 10 points you can put to get radiant power, strength in numbers, or absolute resolution based on the core of 15/15/0/20/10. You will still need 20 more points and will lose either writ or 2 of the other things listed. It makes AH not worth it if you run a hammer.
You are the one that stated that one of them on your list would need to be lost for AH so I was just using your data for my argument.
Like I said before, no where did I pretend that AH build variants would have higher or equal dps to yours. All I said was the difference was a trade off of sustain from AH vs higher dps in your build which is mitigated in some part by being able to go full zerk rather than the few knights pieces you had.
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Scholar runes only work if you are in a well coordinated team where you can maintain your hp. Otherwise for dps purposes even ruby orbs are better.
You see the difference between you and I is that while I saw this discrepancy in practice and adjusted for it you mindlessly copycat, follow, and defend it.
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Take the hammer build for instance. Sticking AH in there will make you have to give up more than 1 of these things. The whole build is centered around supporting your group. What would you give up to kitten your group support to save yourself?
Meta:
10% multiplier + 5-6 constant vuln
blind and vuln spam
writ of persistance to get more vuln, dps, and achieve perma prot
master of consecrations
another 10% multiplier, more condition removal, or 150 toughness for groupThe point of the meta is to provide all the essential and best group support that you bring a guardian into a group for and dump what’s left over to more dps just like every other class. The best thing to do is mitigate damage using this support in the form of traits, utilities, and weapon skills. Guardians have so many blocks, blinds, and projectile destruction that you can facetank stuff and not get hit by utilizing what you have.
Giving up 10% multiplier in damage for example to have higher sustain is a trade off, not a direct decrease in effectiveness. Unless the only thing that matters to you is dps and nothing else then in which case it can be viewed as a direct decrease in effectiveness. And I never stated AH was objectively better than the meta. I was simply pointing out that the childish dismissals of AH by some in this forums is without merit.
You see unlike you 99% of the posts here essentially breaks down to “AH = Poop” (quoted verbatim). I appreciate your build and your outline of the strengths and that’s is in fact why of my guards is running that build. It’s just that most people tend to mindlessly follow trends without knowing or finding out why they are what they are and defend them as if they are in a cult. That’s the thing I do not respect.
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That’s a terrible build for speed run and high level fractal. Such a small DPS that you just can’t do speed run and for fractal you have DPS checkpoint that gonna make you fail every time if most people use this kind of build.
The build has full zerk on every slot and runs empower (+150 power to group) and 2 buff banners. If that is “small dps” then I don’t know what qualifies as big dps.
There’s a point in which sacrificing group support for dps gives diminishing returns. Between regen banners and empower and full zerk gear there’s plenty of dps in the build while also providing sustain and dps buff to the whole team.
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No. No we don’t.
But to sit there and proudly state you are running a bad build is just hilarious.
No you don’t!? Lol if one dude says he likes to run AH all you do is bash the guys with sarcasm and throwing meta build at his face. As far as I know the game haven’t got to the point of “if you want to do a dgn you must shows us your build” yet, and for me experience no one that I’ve seen was kicked from parties for his build, but yes for not knowing the dgn wich is far more important than the build of the Guard in the party or of the warrior or of the ranger or of whatever.
No. Meta is simply better. In the first couple pages here you can see the arguments offered in support of this, and you can see people clinging to straws and ignoring reality. If you find that threatening and ‘bashing’ to you when someone offers rational arguments then I suggest you abstain from commenting as it’s clearly upsetting to you.
Lol you mean the posts filled with detailed arguments such as “AH = Poop” ?(quoted verbatim)
Sorry but with exception of maybe one person none of you has offered any real argument beyond childish assertions and taunts since the beginning of this thread.
No one said the “meta” build isn’t good in fact I’ve already pointed out several times one of my guardians is using that build. However to mindlessly dismiss other builds is not only unconvincing it makes the build in question look bad because of the type of mindless rather than actual well thought support it has.
Scholar runes is a ridiculous choice for any dps setup especially if you are planning on taking on serious pve content.
Why was I even paying attention to you…
You’re welcome to stop trolling here if that is your choice.
Yep, Nike doesn’t know how the build works…
Guardians have plenty of mitigation at their disposal. If you didn’t rely on AH to keep you alive maybe you’d realize this.
AH gives me the sustain to be able to gear more for dps instead of adding in non zerk gear and makes it so you rely less on trying to spam blinds which is not consistent or perma vigor, which is getting nerfed.
And if you actually paid attention at all, you’d know I already mentioned I have 2 80 guardians one of which is in fact using the dps build.
But then again paying attention isn’t a key part of being an AH basher.
Personally, I’d rather blind so no one gets hit, keep our scholar bonuses and give vulnerability to the enemy. You’d rather the team take a hit since you can out heal it, ok.
Lol Scholar runes? Really? Now I know you are trolling.
huh?
Well at the risk of feeding the troll I’ll explain.
Scholar runes is a ridiculous choice for any dps setup especially if you are planning on taking on serious pve content. There’s near 0 chance you’ll get the 6 pc bonus consistently to take advantage of it in a meaningful way in any high lvl fractals especially with certain types of instability modifiers.
It’s also the reason why bloodlust sigils are not too helpful in fractals 40+ because with dps setups 1 unlucky hit easily downs you.
Frankly even having just ruby orbs would be better than scholars for dps not that I’m advocating for ruby orbs.
You realize we have youtube channels and twitch livestreams documenting with perfect clarity the fact that the opposite of what you say is true and what we say is correct, right? In fact our guild’s fractal 49 guide is on the first page of this subforum. Enjoy!
You do realize that being in a guild group with teamspeak and coordination is a totally different thing than what 99.9% of actual teams are like right? I’m talking about real game world applications here, not contrived boundary examples of what is possible.
I like how none of you ever actually provide concrete arguments for WHY AH is bad or soooo inferior to your magical “meta” build while many have actually pointed out the details of how the AH build and traits synergize well with a lot of skills and grants sustain while allowing for more offensive gearing.
With exception of one guy earlier who actually had a real argument 99% of arguments coming from the likes of you is essentially “AH = Poop” (actually quoted verbatim from an earlier post) “because I said so”.
It’s almost as if you people are in some form of cult or something.
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Frankly even having just ruby orbs would be better than scholars for dps not that I’m advocating for ruby orbs.
Are… Are you actually..
No. I don’t believe.
That’s my line.
Yep, Nike doesn’t know how the build works…
Guardians have plenty of mitigation at their disposal. If you didn’t rely on AH to keep you alive maybe you’d realize this.
AH gives me the sustain to be able to gear more for dps instead of adding in non zerk gear and makes it so you rely less on trying to spam blinds which is not consistent or perma vigor, which is getting nerfed.
And if you actually paid attention at all, you’d know I already mentioned I have 2 80 guardians one of which is in fact using the dps build.
But then again paying attention isn’t a key part of being an AH basher.
Personally, I’d rather blind so no one gets hit, keep our scholar bonuses and give vulnerability to the enemy. You’d rather the team take a hit since you can out heal it, ok.
Lol Scholar runes? Really? Now I know you are trolling.
huh?
Well at the risk of feeding the troll I’ll explain.
Scholar runes is a ridiculous choice for any dps setup especially if you are planning on taking on serious pve content. There’s near 0 chance you’ll get the 6 pc bonus consistently to take advantage of it in a meaningful way in any high lvl fractals especially with certain types of instability modifiers.
It’s also the reason why bloodlust sigils are not too helpful in fractals 40+ because with dps setups 1 unlucky hit easily downs you.
Frankly even having just ruby orbs would be better than scholars for dps not that I’m advocating for ruby orbs.
Yep, Nike doesn’t know how the build works…
Guardians have plenty of mitigation at their disposal. If you didn’t rely on AH to keep you alive maybe you’d realize this.
AH gives me the sustain to be able to gear more for dps instead of adding in non zerk gear and makes it so you rely less on trying to spam blinds which is not consistent or perma vigor, which is getting nerfed.
And if you actually paid attention at all, you’d know I already mentioned I have 2 80 guardians one of which is in fact using the dps build.
But then again paying attention isn’t a key part of being an AH basher.
Personally, I’d rather blind so no one gets hit, keep our scholar bonuses and give vulnerability to the enemy. You’d rather the team take a hit since you can out heal it, ok.
Lol Scholar runes? Really? Now I know you are trolling.
Hi, can someone help noob and give some undying leveling build? And what weapon to use?
Build doesn’t matter when you are leveling. Just trait for power and gear for power. It scales well lower levels and you can get through the content quickly.
Use GS or hammer for faster leveling.
Yep, Nike doesn’t know how the build works…
Guardians have plenty of mitigation at their disposal. If you didn’t rely on AH to keep you alive maybe you’d realize this.
AH gives me the sustain to be able to gear more for dps instead of adding in non zerk gear and makes it so you rely less on trying to spam blinds which is not consistent or perma vigor, which is getting nerfed.
And if you actually paid attention at all, you’d know I already mentioned I have 2 80 guardians one of which is in fact using the dps build.
But then again paying attention isn’t a key part of being an AH basher.
The meta build hasn’t been using Vigorous Precision for a while now, and it hasn’t even been noticeable.
Whats your next excuse?
Lol it’s only not noticeable if you are totally unobservant and don’t know how the build works. Why do you think the devs are nerfing it to double the CD? Because it’s precisely allowing for squishy guardian dps builds to have better viability than they should.
I’ve already pointed this out before but it merits restating. The “meta” dps build is required to take some non zerk gear to make up for how squishy it is and will only become more squishy once vigorous precision, the cornerstone of its survivability is nerfed in the upcoming patch. (double the cd)
While the AH variant can afford to take all zerk gear, which does in fact go towards making up for gaps in dps it suffers from while maintaining far greater sustain.
Required to take non zerk gear? …wut. Some people recommend wearing some Knight pieces until the players is confortable with the build and content. Meta has better burst and sustain. Most AH players are also running staff further hindering their dps and support.
Also, while Vigorous Precision is very nice, it’s not the cornerstone of survivability.
The “dps” build does not have better sustain. There’s no evidence whatsoever of this.
My only complaint about the ascended equipment overall is the time gating required on them and not the materials required. Having 16 characters myself I actually already have full ascended jewelry for most of them but getting the back piece and armor/weapon pieces will take me years.
You know that you can buy all the time gated items, right?
Only the ascended material can’t be bought, and those aren’t time gated.
Of course, you’ll spend much more gold to by-pass the time gate, but if that is the only thing bothering you then there is the solution, with enough gold you can make the 16 ascended sets in a day.
Spending all that gold when I already have thousands of mats available seems wasteful and redundant. Also I am saving gold for precursors so it’s in short supply.
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… seems to be a bit sub par.
Don’t worry, ANET has read your statement as is preparing to nerf the drop rates of crystals and stars to “bring them more into line” with Dragonite Ore.
I’d take someone who is lvl 40 with 10k+ AP over a lvl 80 with 400 AP in AC.
You don’t necessarily need to run clerics in dungeons. I’ve personally done fractals 40 a while back in clerics while testing a full support build and it went ok but would’ve been faster in more dps gear.
I don’t think anyone would kick you for just gear choice since what’s really important is knowing the encounter and the mechanics but then again if you get unlucky and find some stuck up children for teammates I suppose that could happen.
If you are using clerics gear, I’d recommend running in a zerg in wvw as it will be most useful there.
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The way I see it, the problem with running AH is not simply because it’s selfish. It does provide excellent sustain, but only if you are able to keep dishing out boons. The only way you can dish out boons all the time is if you use a hammer, but that’s not my point here. What I want to note is that most AH builds I see employ 3 shouts, compared to the meta build’s single shout and 2 consecrations (the shout is always “Retreat!”). It’s not that there’s anything wrong with the idea of shouts, it’s that in PvE they simply cannot provide enough of an advantage to turn the tables on your opponent, which almost invariably have large health pools. Compare them to consecrations, the two most used skills from this category are Purging Flames and Wall of Reflection. PF clears 3 conditions and has a low cooldown, while a well placed WoR can greatly boost your DPS and completely protects you from projectiles at the same time.
Simply put, both builds are actually ok, though I think it’s almost certain that the current meta offers superior support by its very nature. I talk only about the trait setup because gear has very little impact on your abilities.
PF is useful for certain encounters it’s not useful at all times since rarely will you have the whole team stacked in one place unless you are in teamspeak and coordinating or in some specific encounter where stacking is the de facto strategy. (ie lupi) 35 second cd is not considered low cd.
WOR is an obvious choice for a lot of fractals and exp encounters but again is not useful at all times. Those are situational skills that are swapped in during certain encounters.
Shouts do not require stacking in field and are applied to the team as long as they’re in the general area. You can also trait for shout traits that remove conditions on shouts and lower cds. (At a tradeoff of dps of course but also higher survivability due to the vit/healing from traits.)
Note that you are still not required to run triple shouts regardless since you trigger AH with stuff like Fkeys, hammer, staff, and empowering might as well so you can actually run consecrations anyway if you feel like it.
I’ve already pointed this out before but it merits restating. The “meta” dps build is required to take some non zerk gear to make up for how squishy it is and will only become more squishy once vigorous precision, the cornerstone of its survivability is nerfed in the upcoming patch. (double the cd)
While the AH variant can afford to take all zerk gear, which does in fact go towards making up for gaps in dps it suffers from while maintaining far greater sustain.
It’s basically a tradeoff for slightly greater personal dps vs far greater personal sustain.
It’s only useful in wvw and some dungeons. I hardly ever see NPCs in the open world use missile weapons, and those that do are not that dangerous.
Open world encounters are mostly irrelevant so WOR doesn’t come into play.
WOR and even SOA are basically required for high lvl fractals and certain exp dungeon paths.
They need to nerf dredge, that is my only problem. It takes like 3 times as long to do that as any other fractal and it’s tedious and annoying.
Isn’t that what a standard guild is?