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Sick ‘Em will now apply ‘Revealed” to enemies they target. We want to introduce some counter play to Stealth (players have asked for that for a while), so we thought a pet “catching your scent” might be a cool way to insinuate some anti-stealth into the game.
They used to be character bound (rewards). Somewhere along the way Anet changed it to account bound…remember they do not like alts. So where we used to get full reward per character now we only get full rewards once a day (game day) per account.
That change took a lot of players out of dungeons. Without the incentive from alts players rarely run paths more than once per day. So if they have already run it by the time you get one chances are mostly they will no longer be willing to join a group for it again till reset.
Imo they have handles alts very poorly in this game. From dungeon, fractals, dailies, wvw, to acsended, alts are definitely not encouraged.
The two are not mutually exclusive. Speculation may lead to manipulation. It may not, but again it may. We have to account for the variables of the topic to come to some form of conclusion. In this case we are talking about a sub-market with small and very inelastic supply (given anet doesn’t throw another karka chest at us). Hence it does not behave the same as a sub-market with a relatively large elastic supply.
Still, the same applies here. John’s data showed unique sellers and unique buyers of Dusk. There may have been one or two people who sold multiples (no more than 2). What’s happening to Precursors isn’t manipulation, but rather panicking players who desperately want a particular Legendary. Impatience is proving costly to them, and highly profitable to Speculators.
That data only showed that over the course of 1 day there were multiple unique sellers of 1 type of precursor and a few selling a couple over the course of 1 day of 1 type of precursor. That is simply not enough to draw a valid conclusion from.
Every trader knows when you sell you have to consider the demand, how fast you items may sell, and how many other players might be selling as well. In the case of the items in question it would very inadvisable to post all of one’s assets (of the same type) at the same time. Only posting one (again of the same type) at a time helps to minimize possible losses.
I’m not necessarily saying it is or is not happening now. What I am saying is that it (short term manipulation) is completely possible, most likely probable, and definitely has happened in the past on some items (not necessarily percursors).
The two are not mutually exclusive. Speculation may lead to manipulation. It may not, but again it may. We have to account for the variables of the topic to come to some form of conclusion. In this case we are talking about a sub-market with small and very inelastic supply (given anet doesn’t throw another karka chest at us). Hence it does not behave the same as a sub-market with a relatively large elastic supply.
You realize that if the price gets too high on a precursor it becomes economical to forge them yourselves in the toilet, right? While you might not be comfortable with the uncertainty of it all, I assure you that the ability to gain them from the forge through brute force RNG is a control on the price from getting too out of hand.
As a result, anyone attempted to control the Legend market would ALSO have to control, in a significant way, the exotic staff market, and the rare staff market. So while technically feasible for a super wealth player to buy out the supply of Legends, buying out enough exotic staves to permanently inflate the Legend’s price is an impossibility.
For the long term I agree, but for the short term it is not required.
Market manipulation is a deliberate attempt to interfere with the free and fair operation of the market and create artificial, false or misleading appearances with respect to the price of, or market for, a security, commodity or currency.
Since we deliberately buy knowing it will create the appearance of low supply to raise prices given = or speculated > demand, we effectively (based on the definition) are manipulating. False buy orders are just another type of manipulation.
When I speculate I don’t care about supply. I don’t think speculators are buying because they want to give the illusion of low supply. People speculate because they think the value of the item is going to go up in the future, for whatever reason.
That’s how I operate as a speculator. I speculated on Storm not because it was low in supply (it wasn’t), but because I knew it was the precursor for an appealing legendary for multiple classes and that it had a strong possiblity of being upgraded.
Even if I were to speculate Storm because it would be in low supply in the future, it takes two to tango. The price is not set by the sellers alone (you are only seeing sell orders and that is NOT the equilibrium price), but with buyers as well. You are merely speculating that the price will rise because buyers will be willing to pay more.
I’m sorry, but I don’t believe for a second that you do not take supply into consideration while speculating.
Again manipulating does not require setting the price, just attempting to change the price. It can be done from either end, buying or selling.
Joining a party gives more drops only because the amount of damage you have do in order to tag a mob is shared with your party.
More tags = more drops.
This is how it works. If you are in some sort of tin foil hat fantasy world and think otherwise then go test it yourself. Go to a champ train and hit the champ once, you will get no loot and no xp. Now join a full party and hit the same champ once. You will get full xp and full loot.
There is really nothing to discuss or confirm. If you don’t believe the people here then go test it in a controlled environment, that’s just how it works, end of story.
Actualy I have only hit a champ once and I still got loot on numerous occasions.
We would have to take some things into consideration for that. How much did you hit for? What level was champion? What percentage of that champ’s hp was your one hit?
I agree with many of the respondents here that increased tags = increased chances at loot and that being in a party increases tags.
Market manipulation is a deliberate attempt to interfere with the free and fair operation of the market and create artificial, false or misleading appearances with respect to the price of, or market for, a security, commodity or currency.
Since we deliberately buy knowing it will create the appearance of low supply to raise prices given = or speculated > demand, we effectively (based on the definition) are manipulating. False buy orders are just another type of manipulation.
speculation is not manipulation…. people…. If one person buy it all, ya I can see that as manipulation, but the latest info given out by Smith just don’t present that case. However, if you become the market, you are assuming a great risk. You might blow up spectacularly, just like the recent JP Morgan’s London Whale.
One does not need to 100% control to manipulate. The info given by JS was not enough to come to any substantial conclusion. He basically never gives enough information to us for it to hold water.
Market manipulation is a deliberate attempt to interfere with the free and fair operation of the market and create artificial, false or misleading appearances with respect to the price of, or market for, a security, commodity or currency.
Since we deliberately buy knowing it will create the appearance of low supply to raise prices given = or speculated > demand, we effectively (based on the definition) are manipulating. False buy orders are just another type of manipulation.
It depends on what type of investor we are considering whether or not they are manipulators. Secondary investors do not actively have an effect on actions taken, thus they are removed from the equation. Primary investors on the other hand are actively involved with as much manipulation as the law or thier capital allows. *see DeBeers or WalMart as examples
Don’t complain, GW2 is far more alt friendly than other MMOs. And BTW: gw1 wasn’t alt friendly either (all the title coupled skills…).
Keep in mind that you still can easily play the game with exotics. And if the time comes you get your ascended weapon.
Also, if you play a lot of alts, then it is natural that you have to work longer if you want all the BiS gear. It is still an MMO. I always complained in GW1 how easy it was to get the max stats gear. It was so boring afterwards (still a great game though).
Others games doing it worse is not a justification for this one to do it poorly as well.
There are many places in this game which actively detour playing alts. WxP, dungeons, fractals, ascended gear, world events, SAB, and time gating as applied in this game all combine to hinder those who enjoy the variety that playing alts provides.
The variety alts provide help to extend content. I know I for one would have burnt out on content much sooner in both gw1 and gw2 if it were not for alts.
The casual will probably get about 100 to 150 for a couple of hours playtime.
The casual logs in and plays 2 hours of WvW. Camps drop 2 to 4 empyreals, let’s assume the average is 3. To get to 100 empyreal fragments you’d have to cap a minimum of 33 supply camps. That is a camp every 3 minutes and a half.
Towers drop 7 empyreals, thus 14 towers to get 100 empyreals. A tower every 10 minutes.
In short: your figures are way off and empyreals aren’t too easy to obtain in WvW at all.
You need to add those two things together. WvW groups don’t just walk around taking only Camps. WvW groups also don’t just go taking Towers. So you get an average of 10 Empyreal Fragments for a combined Camp and Tower. You do one set every 10 minutes, and it only takes a little more than an hour and a half to get 100.
True that this isn’t the case for all servers, so I’ll give you that. Some servers do have more dedicated leadership that can organize raids in Map Chat.
We can’t assume that best case scenarios are average. We know each server has to compete with 2 other servers. In doing such they are going to run into resistance. Whether it’s open field fighting, pushing a defense, defending a push, or organizing a rush, many things will elongate the time each camp or tower capture will take.
people offering 30% more than highest bid and really few golds less than sell price.
Find me an explanation to that.
Also i know people who hoarded many precursors the day updated legendaries was announced.
And not to make 10+ copies of the same legendary for sure.
Three separate times we have had John Smith provide data that showed precursor hoarding by a select few players was a myth.
And I will provide you an explanation. Maybe there are sellers out there who are confident that the price will sell at that range, and they won’t mind undercutting by 1C. Maybe they are not desperate for money, and dont’ need to undercut by a lot.
Also, manipulation isn’t the same thing as speculation. People hoarding precursors isn’t manipulation. I hoarded 4 storms at one time and then held 2 just before the legendary changes were announced. But that doesn’t mean I’m manipulating the price.
In the case of limited supply items speculation may go hand in hand with manipulation. If I were to “speculate” that the price on a limited supply item would rise when the visible supply diminishes (we know this happens from the game’s past) and then I diminish said supply, I am actively "manipulating " via speculation buying in the short term.
Given demand stays constant and supply diminishes, price increases. As far as players creating demand are concerned visible supply is what matters b/c there is no guarantee that it will be replenished at the same rate. Speculators know this and use it to their advantage effectively “manipulating” prices.
Don’t really understand how this is selfish mate. This isn’t about benefiting one player over another. It’s about balance.
Funny how you say this after you made your Ascended crap, i agree time gate it more but remove all the Ascended you’ve made first then you can start again with your time gated brethren.
And while your at it remove the ability to buy the refined mats from the tp so the op would not be able to by[ass the time gate.
I’d like to know if they displace other items. For example if you had not gotten that would you have gotten a precursor? I know that seems like paranoia, but I swear I got less rare drops when the gauntlet tickets and voting things were added to the tables.
I use powerline and absolutely couldn’t be happier. The only thing I wish I had over what I have is the new powerline which not only creates a direct wired connection but also creates a wifi hotspot as well. Ofc prices reflect that. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704143
Just another bit on the speeds 200 wont be 200, 500 wont be 500 powerline is notorious for that. BUT that will not be you limiting factor when your isp is something like 14 up 25 down. Unless you have the super fast isp or want to stream from one powerline adapter to another the 200 model will not be an issue.
I hate keeping on bout this but when someone else might be taking this to heart then I feel we must.
If you read that article then you would note it says “SYSTEM power consumption” not GPU power consumption. So that means everything listed in their test system used 339 watts.
I can see this being a convenient feature but I am against it. I know its a pain always having to put in the price and quantity again if you want to buy thousands of the same item because I also spend alot of time on the TP and trade high quantities, sometimes to flip, sometimes to craft.
However, I also know that I earn alot more gold per day than my average guildie, it doesnt matter what pve-farm-fest Anet is bringing out these days.
This feature is only convenient for people that already have lots of gold and will enable them to raise their income even faster, me included.
Its as unneccessary as implementing apps to trade from mobile devices while not being logged in and wont benefit the main player base in the long run.
^This……there is no reason to buff the most effective non-regulated way to get rewards in the game.
Yes the evo is plenty fine. Considering that you are hesitant oc’ing as is I doubt you would push your oc to a point where the evo wouldn’t be able to handle it.
Powerline might be an option to look at if your wifi signal turns out to be inconsistent.
For me ascended means that none of my characters are complete now. There is now a hole which a bit of “ocd” wants me to fill. To fill this whole it’ll take me over a year (10-80s, multiple weapon sets per). As long as they are incomplete there will be this nagging in the back of mind of whether or not how I am playing is completing my characters again. In other words it will be effecting how I am playing, not for fun, but for the sole purpose of completing my account yet again.
Although I may have not agreed with a lot of how this game has been handle none of which has been implemented has effected me to such a degree. In one fell swoop this update added over a years worth of what I consider “grind”. I consider it grind b/c it will effect how I play, where I play, and with who I play. I almost get burnt out on it just thinking about it. Imo it’s really demoralizing.
Ofc like many others I do not want things handed to me on a silver platter. Idk why so many posters manifest concerns into “instant”…..it’s unfounded. At the same time I really think the time gating here is over the top simply due to alts and multiple weapon sets.
I’d really like to hear some feedback from the devs concerning alts. Considering the game comes with 5 they really do seem to do all they can to pigeon us into playing only 1.
I’ve made 6 legendaries in the year of the game’s existence. Truth is it takes 4 months to craft a legendary, assuming you target one of the expensive ones AND take your time going about it. I don’t assume people are going to play at my level and get theirs in two months, but 4-6 months for a legendary is doable even for a casual.
Yep. I made each of my first two in three months each, and the third looks to be on track for the same, though I am acquiring my t6 mats more prudently, this time around.
1. Dreamer
2. Twilight
3. Kudzu
It’s all about how ones goes about it. If they have starting capitol and play the tp it could possibly take very little time. If they want to directly farm everything themselves and don’t have luck on their side it can possibly never happen. I was closer to the latter until I broke down and bought a precursor after almost 4k hours and countless forge attempts/world bosses/dungeons/fractals trying to get one.
That was something that I really disliked. That if I wanted a legendary I had to use the trading post. I am still throwing things into the forge to no avail. Considering it a valid option would be like assuming I’d win the lottery……it’s not a realistic option.
This game pushes players towards the trading post. If one wants rewards actual game play plays second fiddle to it. That direction is a mistake imo.
I don’t think the macro is irrelevant. If it were not for the exchanging of moneys it simply would not exist. In it’s most basic form money=update……no money=no update.
Then we need to get rid of the word “free” from all language, because technically nothing is free? Orrrrr, we realize what the common usage of free is, and base our communication on that usage. In the common usage of free, the content is free.
No……just in the context of the game. The context of macro here (common usage…the whole of the game)is in relation to the game, no further. If there was no box moneys, then I would agree. If there wasn’t a premise of updates after the box price w/o shop sales, then I would agree. As it stands though without one or the other nothing would be added.
If people didn’t spend money at Mcdonalds, then there would be no coupon for a free Hamburger. If I have a coupon for a free hamburger at Mcdonald’s it is still free in the common usage of the term free. This is the same exact thing with this game.
I fixed my sister’s satellite TV service and didn’t charge her for it, it was free for her, despite that someone else paid to train me how to fix it. Free
My uncle fixed the plumbing in my home, and didn’t charge me, despite the fact that he paid to get the training in plumbing, and the time he spent on fixing it. Free
See how in all of these someone paid with time and or money, but the one receiving the service never paid for those services rendered. Free.
Let me see if I can relate it to McDonalds then….lol.
Imagine McDonalds charges you a door fee with the premise of you getting drinks. Once you are inside the only way to get those drink is if people buy food. Are the drinks free?
If there wasn’t a door charge and I didn’t pay for food once inside, then yes it would be free.
In terms of the cable. It would be like you charging you sister to come over, then not charging for the actual work. Is it free?
Same deal with the plumbing. If he charged you for coming over yet did not charge you for fixing it, would it be free?
In all of those examples you gave you made an odd correlation to the box fee.
I don’t think the macro is irrelevant. If it were not for the exchanging of moneys it simply would not exist. In it’s most basic form money=update……no money=no update.
Then we need to get rid of the word “free” from all language, because technically nothing is free? Orrrrr, we realize what the common usage of free is, and base our communication on that usage. In the common usage of free, the content is free.
No……just in the context of the game. The context of macro here (common usage…the whole of the game)is in relation to the game, no further. If there was no box moneys, then I would agree. If there wasn’t a premise of updates after the box price w/o shop sales, then I would agree. As it stands though without one or the other nothing would be added.
I don’t think the macro is irrelevant. If it were not for the exchanging of moneys it simply would not exist. In it’s most basic form money=update……no money=no update.
I might be missing something here, but how is any of it free? Without players paying for the game or paying cash for gems none of it would happen. Are you saying if no one paid anything it would be free? I don’t think you can take that check to the bank and c….a….kitten. (bah filter)
Are you saying that when I get a free hamburger at Mcdonalds, because I have a coupon, that it is not free for me? When people say “free” they mean they themselves didn’t have to play any money to obtain it. It doesn’t matter that I paid for a hamburger a month ago from Mcdonalds, the money I spent was for that hamburger, but the hamburger I got today that I didn’t have to pay for was free. Same concept with this. Doesn’t matter that I paid for character slots a few months ago, the money I spent for character slots was to pay for the character slots, but the content Anet has been giving me I didn’t have to pay for it, therefore it is free.
Can you make a different analogy? I couldn’t make heads or tails of that one, so I can’t really respond. Admittedly it didn’t help that all I could think of was Wimpy from Popeye while reading it.
I might be missing something here, but how is any of it free? Without players paying for the game or paying cash for gems none of it would happen. Are you saying if no one paid anything it would be free? I don’t think you can take that check to the bank and c….a….s….h it. (bah filter)
Defense against guards in WvW increases your HP by about 2.5k. Nobody complains. BUT OMG ITS A MASSIVE DEAL COLESY. Nah, nobody cares.
I’ve seen complaints about it.
And what about the night sigil situation? What if you run CoF and you have force/accuracy and they have night/smothering? That’s your 5%+ damage vs. 20%+ damage. I bet people don’t complain about that.
But ascended gear is such a big deal, amirite?
Are those time gated to get? No need to reply…it was rhetoric.
Not everyone gets to play this everyday and not everyone gets to play as long to get their dailies done. I know I’d never get the PvE daily done unless I solely focus on them, but what’s the fun in that? People don’t want to feel that they HAVE to log in every single day to make sure they get their daily so they don’t feel like they’re being left behind.
And I said that you don’t. Given what we know about the process to make the weapons. You only need to do a daily 2-3 times a week if that to get a print for a specific weapon.
If people want different kinds of weapons then obviously that’s going to require more effort, right? Unless you think you should just be given ascended weapons for little to no effort?
And once again you can have the same crafting profession on multiple characters if you absolutely need to speed up the process. Since some of the materials are account bound and some can even be sold/bought on the market.
The worst part and by far more tedious will be gathering materials from world bosses, jumping puzzles, and dungeons.
No it doesn’t. It requires more time gating. A player that puts in 7 hours on one day is basically equal to the effort of the player that puts in 7 one hour days. The only difference is the gated daily not the effort.
You don’t have to do your daily every single day to get enough laurels to make a weapon. You can do it 2 or 3 times a week and still have the proper amount by the time you’ve pulled together all the other materials.
The premise of the thread was multiples. If players were only going for one weapon on one character, there really wouldn’t be an issue. The thread is referring to multiple weapons on multiple characters, thus the issue.
edit: I assumed the multiple character bit as it is the exact same premise
And? Is it not fair that if you want a lot of rewards then you need to put in a lot of effort?
You’re basically saying you want to put forth minimal effort to get maximum rewards.
u should just get rank points in real tournaments or soloq not hotjoin….
I really really can’t fathom how people think this would be a good idea. Let’s take the most popular format..ie draws the most players, that is the friendliest to new players and remove the rewards.
I’m not 100% sure on how that’ll turn out, but I can wager on a guess that’ll we’d see a decline in pvp population. When we have a meager population as is and reduce it further, we are doing something wrong imo, considering one of the utter most necessities of pvp is players.
You don’t have to do your daily every single day to get enough laurels to make a weapon. You can do it 2 or 3 times a week and still have the proper amount by the time you’ve pulled together all the other materials.
The premise of the thread was multiples. If players were only going for one weapon on one character, there really wouldn’t be an issue. The thread is referring to multiple weapons on multiple characters, thus the issue.
edit: I assumed the multiple character bit as it is the exact same premise
The tp should never be the primary method of obtaining an item in this type of game. It should be the fall back, the supplemental tool, but not the obvious option. D3 made the same mistake albeit more flamboyantly. At least they have admitted it was a flaw and are working to getting players back out into the world and away from the AH. We however are pushing using the tp more and more as the primary method of acquisition. It’s quite saddening.
It’s pretty obvious that some severs will pretty much be guaranteed a win from day 1 and others will be guaranteed to loose from day one. In many competitive arenas there are handicaps put into place to minimize this. It’s very hard to have competition when everyone knows from the start how it’ll end up.
Is there anything preventing such a thing from being implemented?
I think that it did more harm. Why? Well they hammered home that they would rather focus on making it better to watch than making it better to play. Thus they are committing to a fancy roof while ignoring an unstable foundation.
If they focused more on making the play more fun then they would gather more players, which inturn would increase interest in the format. Population is the meat and potatoes of of what they want, but all they can see is dessert.
Here’s my issue with this……given a commentary..that could be any close hot join match and have the exact same appeal to most viewers. 10 to 1 odds they would not be able to tell the difference between a lucky play vs a skilled play w/o some commentary telling them such.
Without a large pool of interested players namely based from “fun” gameplay, there simply won’t be enough that can tell or care to tell the difference. Thus it won’t matter for most.
