Guild Wars 2

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

I don’t know where you’re getting widely agreed upon and stuff like that. You can present it as your own opinion, but you’re being misleading.

Simple statistics and and non top player opinions.

Like you said, it can be an opinion, but I thought OP was asking more for a tldr over a #believe.

A) 150 to two hunder points difference is WIDELY agreed as the MAXIMUN COMMON comeback between two EQUAL TOP TEAMS.

B) this is pure math, not only legacy lord, but the fact it is GENERALLY POSSIBLE to perma hold 2:1 caps but not 2:0 or 3:0

C) this is EQUAL TEAMS WHO KNOW WHAT DO. your random pugs who have underpeforming in last 3 teamfights, would need to suddenly play perfect in next 4 teamfights.

Tldr
Yes, the last comeback train leaves at 200pts difference AND EVERYONE alive and ready to leave base together.

OriOri.8724:

Why are you spamming threads about Necros in the forums?

Why arent poeple writting love latters to the balance team?

it would make more sense to simly remove the overpowered 4-stat amulets,

and make poeple actually choose a weakness in their builds again.

Im afraid it will look something like this.

I found this video being posted by a normal, constructive, and semi experienced gw2 forum poster.
Now imagine, what conclusions the ultra casualistic party of Arenanet will make from it….

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Match should start with Ctrl+t already on the Necro.

Instead of wasting workforce on design and balance, id like them to focus on a seperate permanent pinata icon.

Yo flow.

The way I estimate it under perfect duel scenarios, is a rough 50/50.
On high end esl thiefs should win, where lower its more possible for thief to die at first mistake.

But then, like you said, in real match – the conditions are almost always against necro.
-low lifeforce = lose
-missing CDs or HP = thiefs favor his CDs are lower, 15s for initiative and 20s for steal
-holding node = you will decap 100% , but again
a) he can wear you down in reasonable 1min time
b) he has mindgame, you only guess = stealth, then you either stay behind on lose time, follow into vulnerable offpoint area, or exit shroud thinking its safe…BOOM.
c) any 2v1 for even 5-10seconds can instadown you , so even if teammates follow they need to REALLY follow fast or start 2v2 with a rezz.

Im seeing more winning choices on thiefs side. Or at least how nemesis said 4 years ago, “the choice to either win or not lose”.
So from a 1v1 standpoint youre on losing side, but your teammates can cover and beat thief. Necros job is staying alive long enough for teammates to catch thief, then rally of him

Fashion Mage.3712:

Menzies The Heretic.3415:

I’m using the heal right now. And actually it’s one of the quickest heals to cast.
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Reaper_-_Power_Wellomancer

It has a 28s cooldown if traited.
It siphons health and grants protection if traited.
It is a light combo field, which means that you can cleanse (up to 7 but not sure) conditions with Soul Spiral (reaper), or gain light aura.

This. If you’re using Runes of the Chronomancer, it gives quickness too.

and if youre traited wells with chrono runes, you probably alredy have the 3 more useful ones in utlities,
meaning slotting this useless 7k heal vs 8k+X consume is a very efficient way to die.

The heal will NEVER work in pvp, its only for PVE maybe.
-full condi clear
-same healing + lifeforce if spammed shout
-tiny heal for allies + zero cleanse + zero lifeforce

It should finally become a water field for WVW AND heal in shroud at least.
, but without a pulsing cleanse, it has nothing you need. but with cleanse it would clearly beat well of power.

power or condi mesmer can 100-0 any necro with enough CD and especially if he catches you just a tiny bit off guard or with anets fantastic zero lifeforce design.
deal with it, write a whine post, respawn, repeat.

Same with thief.
You should NOT be wining a duel against a competent thief. It takes longer though, usually at least to 20s to 2nd steal and you can instantly force a decap. You WILL die tho in 15s, just mentioning.

the trick is to
a) know enemy combos and rythm, and try to interupt it. precast and hope he doesnt double dodge, its RNG.
b) positioning does wonders, just standing on edge of weird rock prevents 180º of their maneuvarability. dropping aoes under your feet also gives you breathing time
c) transfer weakness, dont attack if hes spamming daze, let him shot 2-3 times then attack back or else youll eat 10k if interupts.
d) hug a teammate and his aoe fields
e) let your teammate rev/thief attack him after he wastes energy on you

bonus, if its staff thief try runing forwards away, you often get out of his aoe, helps if you avoid 2×8k just by walking.

else its common old complain everybody has. poeple thought the sustain proffesion would he some healing so it could live and win with time like scrapper. necro is always a dps, never bruiser/tank or support, just depends how glassy you go.

Id say the most important thing in making a viable build, is having a good weaponset, one with natural flow. Utilities are only invulnerability get out of jail cards….

So…

Youre only giving CD reductions on weapons.
They need fixes and reworks to make them usable.

Focus 4.
An ability thats hard to use when focused, cz thief jumping you = blind. So you cant use the melee burst skill to drive someone off yorself. That is rework.
Reducing the horrible 3year aftercast on focus 4. That is a tweak.
Making the projectile actually hit and home, aka just copy the ultra reliable mirror blade. That is bugfix imo.

Just my example for focus, which is already a 10x better choice than trashsword, a weapon with no good number, sloooow, buggy and unreliable, and witn zero useful combat flow (5+2 is not a true combo, so whole design is without value)

Mikhael.2391:

How can we get in contact then? Because they ignore us, if we submit an apeeal theres no answer so where do we complain as in any other business?

You cant.
There simply arent monthly feedback threads like there were for for each beta of elite specs, there also arent any more community representatives who would gather and summarize common concerns.

You can only make a pretty lore picture on reddit and hope a story dev sends you a flower, the balance devs dont read the internet.

It’s same as it always was, with the delay.

Thief got dps boost on daggers to beat broken rev, but the powercreep juice is not reserved for necro, you get 2 and a half bad melee weaponsets here.

Can I ask some PVE raid vets,
how much will ELE be nerfed by REV&MES quickness boon sharing ?

If ele without quickness falls down to 15k dps,
and necro without quickness and no more minions can still do 10k dps while afk 111ing,
then it brings them closer in overall dps + better risk/reward ratio in bringing a necro instead of ele.

Thoughts?

Hm guess I’ll need some reliable spars then to see how much off I am.
The main job of ripping boons is same tho.. Thanks

Hello.
Sorry for the break to all my fans. I only played a dozen games at sapphire as I didn’t touch bunker wars during summer. Anyway I felt surprisingly viable with some random base power builds against the usual suspects.

What’s currently the necro tourney meta? Is necro picked at all? Anyone spaming 1 again?

Ah the brain dead levels of rev.

Explore the new “server”-class in the next expansion, a personal bot that plays guildwars for you. #allveryexcitedtobringyou

Yes, but Gs#5 uses new new fancy tech and looks good.

Imagine how many workhours went into reinventing the wheel of an actually working pull skill.

guard gs#5 , boring since it works since launch
necro spectral pull – too slow non-homing projectile
guard DH pull – unavoidablefast 99.8% reliable projectile
necro GS … how about 3x projectiles which all miss??

This is Apple level of stupidity, they literally want a slow and clunky designed class.

The treb gives your team map wide big area damage and crowd control, at the expense of a single player controlling it.

• Think its ok, but its Anets decision where they want the low/middle/pro spectrum to go. Lowbies dont know how and more importantly where to aim. Middle its equal. The pros can all dodge or outrotate it, so its mostly not even considered.

Each team gets their own treb near their base and is useable the entire duration of the match unless it is destroyed.

• Its near base but enemy has pretty easy access to it. Maybe more home advantage by walking from left side or direct access would allow more comeback potential.
  Also make it destroyable by condies.

If the treb is destroyed a player needs to run a repair kit from a designated area to the treb to repair it back to full health.

• Main point why im writing.
  THIS is mostly impossible and not worth the time.
  If a treb = comeaback & homeadvantage and the treb is repairable, then it maybe SHOULD BE at least viable if not the meta strat of a comeback.

TLDR
The defense side gets a point for easier to reach and defend treb.
The offense gets to destroy the treb easier now with condies.

#necroscanthavenicethings

2016Edit:

#necroscanthavebasicthings

Josh Davis.6015:

We’ve been talking about personal score a bit. I’m personally of the opinion that it isn’t representative of a player’s effort in a given match, and it also can be incredibly misleading and potentially lead to bad gameplay habits (5-capping home).

If you were to redesign personal score, what would you do? Does it track different types of stats? Would you want your personal stats displayed to other players?

Ive moved over to Overwatch, tho only casually no fixed stuff yet.

I really like the hidden stats.
It pushes the “WIN / objective is what matters, NOT your k/d” message very clear, even to the simplest tunnelvisioned casuals.

Hiding the useless score thing is the only smart move. You can leave the tie-breaker function of it, as it rewards the offense vs just barelly hanging on, and its 0.0001% rare.

• Implement 1-to-1 rally policy, similar to WvW. This means that only 1 player would rally per enemy killed, rather than up to 5. Would likely be the downed ally closest to the enemy player.
  —- why are we not founding this?
• Cap the range at which someone can rally.
  —- why are we not founding this?
• Bring back PvE-downstate policy
  —- i enjoyed the 2 glass + 1 mercy rune support far more than 3x identical cele cheesecakes stacked, so my vote goes clearly to keeping mutli rezz play, focusing more on making it clutch and expensive, rather than uncounterable and a almost free part of a build.
• Shorten revive/downed “invuln” buff.
  —- hmm sounds interesting, it would add A LOT of reliability on necro gs#2, dodge+invuln=unnatural stop on your cleave
• Reduce healing per tick when rezzing.
  —-id balance/nerf other stuff
• Further reduce downstate HP
  —- again bring other stuff back to earth
• Adjust outlier revive skills (Function Gyro)
  —- yup. I know im bringing up mercy runes again, but those were 30-40% boosts. Quickness was 50%… the 100% bonus + 20seconds of invuln spam rotations, not really a twitch reflex game

dont worry, epi is in a good and spot atm.

It fullfils its role, but its use isnt overflowing into other roles. Main example is VS AIr overload.
You attack 1 mob, and if more spawn and the setup is right, you can bomb the others too. For power necro youd use wells, and even tho its a mini bomb, epidemics setup and DOT time and low CD make it more useful for constant sustained aoe – best case Boss + many smalls.
Now look at ele.
What is “highest” DPS ingame? air overload
What is best single target burst rotation? air overload
What is single target sustained dps rotation? air overload
How to cleave? air overload
How to do big aoe? air overload
Want troll with no mainhand valeguard? Np, mightyteapots only air overload ele will still kill it in time.

See the pattern?
And this is for PVE – Raids only. Theres pve dung&fractals 5man, open world 1man chilling, WVW solo, WVW party size, WVW big zerg, PVP 0hour beginer, PVP low/high/tournament level play…..

So air overload was always best for almost any PVE, yet it was at max a sidedish used in PVP….it got dmg nerfed by 10% i think a while ago…which is again fine, as it brings it closer to rest of top DPS options.
Epidemic is just cheesed in Raids 2nd wing, as a way to make necro a safer ele. If they wanted to nerf if, they would have done at the condi stack patch, and it is not overperforming in other areas of whole game. Its safe.

nekretaal.6485:

Maybe Axe could be buffed by buffing focus or offhand dagger. (Warhorn doesn’t have much synergy with axe since it isn’t ranged).

ironically,
the melee cloud from warhorn keeps or at least kept thieves a bit away so you could get more free dmg of range.

We simply got 2 crappy offhands, 2 crapy mainhands and “thing” that should get u banned.

there was recently one of the top three trolls ever on the subforum.

I forgot the name, but it was a monkey saying for 100 posts that chill/bleed patch wasnt a nerf.
At the end it turned out he played GS+Scepter with Destroyer amu.

Dont follow those footsteps.

D/D was not meta but hell it was fun & viable. it was often described as the best non meta build. It had tournament results too, just more of a planB counterpick.

Focus tho never had 2 different poeple from top thousand wielding it at same point in time.
Idk how much its worth now.

p.s.
yes dd is trash now for those wondering. Like any necro build your rellying on the stupidity and mistakes of enemy….yes pvp is dead so theres lots of stupid monkeys to farm, just objective review of the state.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Soul Comprehension needs to die in a fire.

The worst part is,
there is a kitten who came up with the thing,
let it sit for 2 years,
and then being given the chance of a major trait overhaul,
where even the focus was on death and blood lines,
and
…
he did it again.

WHY.
WOULD.
ANYONE.
USE.

Unholy sanctuary ?

Did they skip numbers from 100 to 1000 class ?

Ranglon Hoth.9706:

gin.7158:

Wait until you get 500 vs 500

I didn’t even realize that was possible!

Afaik, its theoretically possible and i think i saw it once, that you can lose a 501-500.

Reaper Alim.4176:

FLIMP.8172:

Not promoting the game but this was a very well written piece on MMR/MM:

http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745504371#post-3

Food for thought…

Anet would never do this. If ANet did this all their self proclaimed pros would leave GW2 to find the next easymode non competitive MMO to exploit. Meaning even more less players. The time of GW2’s sPvP is in the past now people just need to come to terms with that fact. Soon as ANet started to push for super cheep advertisement, sorry I mean 200k eSports competitions, and throw innocent solo queing customers under the bus as farm animals for easy wins for try hard pre made teams, not only GW2 but ANet’s image as a whole in the competitive PvP world has been completely tarnished to all degrees.

Youre completely mixing seperate topics.

The veterans are leaving gw after years with no rewards because the gameplay after xpac got unbearably boring and because of tournament organization rules, where even slightest budge changes outcome of a bo3 match (cheating included).

The topic wasnt pro level money tournaments which are commonly run by an outside tournament organization with its own rulesets.
It was ingame pvp system, how its matchmaking should work and how Higher rated player should shier their high mmr and probably get more ingame rewards (gold ir skins, not real money).
This the main still present system flaw of gw2 pvp, but casualnet is sticking to its casualistic mentality of everyone gets something equall.

The premade vs solo
Is just a subproblem in not having a soloq. Even if we had soloq, it would not fix pros ditching gw or poeple complaining about worthless skillles pip system. Same for teamq players.

Also blizzards OW will use same one que to rule them all. They do have a much higher playerbase and anet even penalises the premades with tougher enemies for bigger parties, something i havent heard blizzard mention yet in their matchmaker

Reaper is a safer easier tempest.

Staff tempest = ranged dps + aoe spikes. No CC, main example is staff#2 on Gorseval orbs.

Fresh air tempest = best melee dps + some CC and mini support (heals, reflect). No ranged.

Reaper/base necro = ranged dps + aoe spikes. Decent CC, Passive group condi clear, Survives 2-3x more and unique ability to teleport several bodies out of aoe/poison fields.
Does 70% of tempests dps, but may come closer with less downstate time and good epidemic bounces.

If you want to set 4minute record – take tempest.
If you want to oneshot with pugs in 6 instead of 5minutes – take necro.

a) if youre lacking vipers gear and thus condition duration, and dont plan on getting it, take the nightmare combo.
3/4 of damage is from bleeds so those must be at 100% duration.

b) if youre a raid elitist and only care about max performance in raids, then maybe take thorns rune.

c) berserker.
Just take berserker and be done with it. You simply buy it and are good forever.
Its better and more consistent across all content. Math wise its +3% better in whole game but only in raids its -2% worse than maxed 4-5stack thorns rune.

Suggestion:
Buy exotic vipers gear as its crazy close to ascended vipers and put on berserker runes. You dont have to bother with any timegates, tokes and can throw you money on another ascended set. Youre only 2% worse than a maxed out ascended set which is neglectible. Youre ready for all of the content, OW, Dung, Fract, Raids…

Thief is atm totally dependent on rest of team.

Try to find a good 3man and you will roll through with 60-70% winrate but with solo youll be stuck with 50/50 slow progress.

Morde.3158:

……The handfull of skilled power necros know each other and do not share builds with the public. ….

That statement is wrong, there just isnt anything to share.
Its plain worse.

The only way i kept my sanity recently was that i started treating gw as the joke it is, but might as well share my gem.

Its no staff, allowing the 7s shroud recharge. It really changes how the flow feels which was refreshing. Mostly i use it for better positing or double leap escape if i have HP, its more mobility for the dagger set and a more often available counterpressure set if they dive on you in axe.

spite 313 soul 322 reaper 223…….a/d+ d/wh, mix of usual utilities.
Blighters boon hp doesnt make me live longer and lifeforce i get enough anyway, so i feel im landing and doing more work with the 15% dps boost.
Spiteful spirit also seems more reliable and better overall and cz synergie.
glhf

Kylden Ar.3724:

Probably not. I have 2 jobs, and a family. I don’t have 40 hours a week to devote to PvP to raise my MMR just enough to get to Sapphire this season.

It’s why I quit. I enjoy PvE, and WvW. No law says I have to like the last 1/3rd of the game.

You have a familiy.
2 jobs.
Struggle with saphire.
No time invested.

Which one of these achievements mostly shows your worth of the currently most exclusive legendary pvp item?

p.s.
Flawed logic aside, you cant even go lower than casualwars2, its the game for such audience.

Dinosaurs.8674:

Pretty much what above one already said.

WERE TALKING ABOUT PUGS.
FILTHY.
CLUELESS.
CLICKING.
beginner SPANISH or FRENCH.
pugs

Basically if dps is not a problem, then why bother? youll wipe if you fail mechanics. The price is you will kill boss at 5-6th triangle safely instead of glass canon it at 4th.

Tell him to spam epidemic or suffer when he sees a seeker and voila!
Engie will fail his dps rotation on a moving chaotic target.
Youre picking between a random LFG beginner necro and random LFG beginner engie.

Take the necro 90% of times.

Why is necro crap at VG ?

It is not best for gorse as you realistically cant no updraft with it, but thats not what pugs do anyway. Its very handy, solo chills spirits and does epidemics here and there and again, less chance of dying for a bit of dps loss.

But for VG its amazing pug carrier.
You run to a circle every 15s and autoatack.
Done.

With staff ele a pug will die and in later phases staff ele is the useless one. And thats where poeple wipe. with staff ele you get record time 1st phase then wipe in 3rd phase 10x times.
With condi necro youre 15s slower but you help with breakbar and oneshot the valeguard.

Without dissrespect, treat pugs like onehanded clickers and give them less than what you consider minimal work to do.
The game sold 5million, you know only a tenth maybe visited a forum or guide in their lifetime?

Vipers condi necro.
Hands down.
Idk how none of above said that.

-exotic condi gear is sooo close you dont need ascended
-its ezpz 100% reliable ranged DPS (and very decent)
-it carries whole wing 2
-extra survivability that allows few mistakes

Its not a “must have” like healer/tank/boonsharer/mightgenerator – its role is a tankier easier DPS ele – but its sooo ezpz it is the ultimate pug carry.

Recommed it to every baddie you know.

You absolutely need an ascended power weapon as it adds i think 10% with the attack points. The rest of the stat points you get is neglectible.

If you do need a pick i would go for exotic vipers and ascended berserker.

a) Vipers asc vs Vipers exo is another exception, where the difference is again neglectible. The only stat that matters is condi duration, which you can get to 100% with exotics. The condition damage stat scalles very poorly so again, its only a 2% dmg difference in full asc vs full exo.

b) Berserkers ascended you can use on both your necro and on ele.

You basically get 3x fully geared characters with this spread, the trinkets i asume you can make duplicate so you just switch 6x armors around from power necro to ele if needed. And yu can easily take strength over scholar runes.

You can play some power versions in unrank and lower mmr tiers,

but if you use greatsord in pvp you deserve to be reported for afking.

In most games i think you will still get matched with them, at best i heard theres “try to avoid”.

In terms of gw2s population its even physically impossible, its already decimated in the high level.

And its also against Arenanets vision and mentality, gw2 is a casualist game that even hides your MMR just to make bad poeple feel not bad.

Your analysis is correct.

The blyating is going on for for 4 years because playing 50% winrate at

-top 100 level
-top1000 level
-top 10.000 mmr level
-bottom arenanet story designer level

Provide you with SAME REWARDS.

Poeple dreamed low leagues would be for lowbies earning 1g/h and in high league youd earn 5g/h.
Neither rewards neither mmr filtering are actually working.

Hugh Norfolk.2798:

One of the PvP teams priorities is to introduce more maps into the PvP rotation.

Clever wording

a) everyone who was d5/6 last time has already moved out of d3 10x times over. d3 is even last one with safety nets.

b) divisions are indeed worthless cz anet.

A much more fitting than a made up name. I actually chose the lamest dragon watch to reserve the unbroken for something kewl in future.

The vote should be:
- edge 2.0
- edge 2.1 (cz rytlock and some midseason player swaps)
- edge v2

Pls vote

sanctuary.1068:

Well, go pve for once! Alot of pve’rs went to pvp just for the backpack and wasted their sweat and tears even tho pvp is totally not their thang. Go farm in ze pve zones! Gl! ;D

How about

• You PVE keep your gold
  And
• us PVP get an actual mmr skill based item which PVEers cant get with facegrindroll.

kittened casualist arenanet,
One Double infraction please!

snarfrificus.4230:

Cynz.9437:

snarfrificus.4230:

just press 3 and win all the way.

oh please, not everyone plays condi d/d and that build is a joke in higher divisions

climb out of amber, then complain, ty

I know a guy in diamond with that build and he is still laughing all the way.

That is another example “legendary is casually trashy low” in quality, not “condi dodge thief is amazing”.
Its a gimmick build that like any gimmick beats unprepared players, but anyone skilled beats it – even without any utility adjustments, just rotations and aproach slightly change.

5/10 today in unrank i had to afk.

The quality of team and enemies was also non existent.

Probably rise.

Its really noticable when you dont run it, even if u take something “old godly” like 2min plague. We have krappy zero defenses so facetank route is often most efficient.

OriOri.8724:

Yup that seems to be my experience with ranked games right now. I know I suck at PvP but in unranked I was right on 50% win rate. Play my first 2 ranked matches and the scores look like this, except I was on the losing team. Lost by over 600 points at Champion’s Dusk.

I know I suck at PvP, but forreal? What kind of matchmaking system put those teams together?

You have 50games played.
This not an insult but at the beginner level you have the most chaotic stuff going on. Its impossible to analyze plays in hotjoin when its closer to dice roll simulator.
In tournaments a lost 1v1 is worth 50-100 pts and a lost teamfight takes 100-200 pts of time to recover. In beginer hotjoin you can decap 1v3 immediately cz they dont look or move elsewhere like a flipper ball.
Random means anything can randomly happen, a few hundred games and youll be having more consistent equal level and logical matches (like holding an outnumbered fight leading to your normal teammates actually winning a 3v4 for example)

Second note,
Champions dusk is stronghold.
You either win or lose.
You normaly get to 100-100 with heroes, kills and gates – and then someone kills the lord and gets +500 pts.

So the match is not 600-100 , but rather “we were X seconds away from killing their lord when they got ours”.

Hope this clears the perspective