I curious how this is working out, since people that play rangers have such different expectations. Are you guys doing casual everything? Or like “hey guys I want to form a hardcore ascended only WvW roaming group/dungeon group/tPvP”?
I think it would be really funny to get in on like 5+ r40+ sPvP rangers roaming in WvW on pure berserker. That would be devastating and hillarious.
Agree. I want to duo in WvW with another semi burst LB Ranger and focus fire kills
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Yes the Venom Share is for Thieves Guild. The damage seems silly over the top when I use it.
I use perplexity because it does have good condition + in the stats and the added condition does decent damage but also gives me another cover for the poison/bleed. Not that I am married to the idea though and open to something else.
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Just got to 80 today. Will be cruising around in WvW trying to find 1v1 fights. My first attempt at a build after monitoring this forum the past month or two.
Going condition with Venom Aura. Only had a couple of fights so far and did well. I feel pretty slow and vulnerable since no swiftness and not good at CnD yet. I was thinking to use both weapon sets to make sure I get the conditions applied. Not sure if it is a good idea or stick to one set mostly. Both will proc bleed when switched.
My biggest worry is we get the Warrior Treatment, as in to much to fast..
I read the suggestions Allie posted that she wants to pass on to the team, and i’m worried we’ll get a lot of that stuff.
Because frankly, I’d be a monster if I got even half of it..
Crap like wanting Shortbow to have Confusion/Torment/Burning just blows my mind..
That weapon would be so bloody overpowered.
Things like Lowering Trolls Urgent Cooldown + giving it condition removal…TU is pretty powerful as a heal right now..It doesn’t need anything, Heal as One could use something like that.. but not TU
Some of the trait suggestions are fine.. I just don’t want this class to end up like the Warrior.
Which is likely to happen…..and it isn’t surprising because pretty much every game like this evolves that way. The classes play a game of ‘tag your it’ taking turns being the strong class. A class can go from zero to hero with 1 or 2 minor tweaks.
The one thing I will say about Warrior though…and most classes, are their trait lines make sense. Ranger is always going to have a hindrance because their trait lines are all over the map. I never realized how bad it was until I started playing other classes where it seems there are so many more tough choices to make when picking traits. I always feel I am leaving something good out. Too many times with Rangers I end up picking a trait i don’t really want or need …but there isn’t anything else to pick.
Oh trust me, I know games play the tag you’re it game when it comes to balance
I’ve said it before, but I was a Valkyrie Player in DAOC before they got buffed…and it was an awful class at the time.. but i did play it till RR8 before they got any buffs… and it kind of played out like the Warrior buffs in this game.
They ended up getting Charge..Which was pretty powerful, and was a good ability..Then they got what was basically Levi from Reavers…That was pretty over the top..
They they were like screw it, and they gave them a bloody massively overpowered Heal line..
But yea….. A lot of games are like that….I’m just hoping Rangers don’t end up that way..Then again i’ll probably be playing ESO by then so it won’t matter..
No kidding about the Valkrie. A buddy played one off and on. Then after the buff he was pretty much unkillable. We duoed with him on his Valk and me on my Skald. We would cross bridge choke points and hoped to get attacked by the stealth brigade hanging out there. It usually didn’t end well for them.
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My biggest worry is we get the Warrior Treatment, as in to much to fast..
I read the suggestions Allie posted that she wants to pass on to the team, and i’m worried we’ll get a lot of that stuff.
Because frankly, I’d be a monster if I got even half of it..
Crap like wanting Shortbow to have Confusion/Torment/Burning just blows my mind..
That weapon would be so bloody overpowered.
Things like Lowering Trolls Urgent Cooldown + giving it condition removal…TU is pretty powerful as a heal right now..It doesn’t need anything, Heal as One could use something like that.. but not TU
Some of the trait suggestions are fine.. I just don’t want this class to end up like the Warrior.
Which is likely to happen…..and it isn’t surprising because pretty much every game like this evolves that way. The classes play a game of ‘tag your it’ taking turns being the strong class. A class can go from zero to hero with 1 or 2 minor tweaks.
The one thing I will say about Warrior though…and most classes, are their trait lines make sense. Ranger is always going to have a hindrance because their trait lines are all over the map. I never realized how bad it was until I started playing other classes where it seems there are so many more tough choices to make when picking traits. I always feel I am leaving something good out. Too many times with Rangers I end up picking a trait i don’t really want or need …but there isn’t anything else to pick.
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I don’t know what the build is exactly so this is likely a dumb question. Why Warhorn rather than Sword in a condition build?
- perma swiftness
- conditions removed and
- converted to boons
- weakness and vigor (good against power based builds)
- warhorn trait is in shout traitline anyways
I am familiar with what Warhorn brings. It just seems that some of it is a little redundant or overkill.
-Already have Swiftness 39 out of 60 seconds
- Soldier Runes remove conditions (3 shouts), Combustive shot removes 3 conditions every 10 seconds (cleansing Ire), Shake it Off
- Vigor is a big one that stands alone
All at the expense of a ton of damage potential with Torment and more bleeds with off hand sword…and also a block.
That’s why I was wondering what the build was. If it was a hybrid power/condi at least you wouldn’t be completely relying on conditions damage only.
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I have a R.A.T.7 Mouse that has two buttons for the thumb
I use them as my F1 and target nearest enemy buttons
I’ve also assigned my Mouse wheel burron as my dodge ^^
I’ve been playing with this control style for over a year now and I couldn’t imagine playing without it lol
Crazy looking mouse. Looks like something out of the Transformers movie. I saw on their website they have a new version called mmo7. More suited for mmo games. Will have to do some research.
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I saw a beauty of a post in the CDI a day ago. The guy started the post with …“I have never played a Ranger, but here are my suggestions how to improve them”
Pretty much sums up the problem.
If you fight against rangers you know what they need ……..
Actually rangers need a skill which people were afraid of, each time people see a ranger they stomp him because they know that rangers doesnt have a real burst skill(eviscerate,mindwrack,elecombo,stealth+BS,etc).
lol yea, that makes them a real expert.
#wow
I’d trust a person who steamrolls zerk rangers in WvW every night over the people who keep trying to act like we have a burst power build because a roided Maul can one shot a distracted person (only folks with less than ~16k health) every ~45 seconds.
They might not know the class inside and out but we also have some of the most delusional, selfish players of any class in the game in our ranks. How often do you see other classes kitten that they can’t just auto range without getting kicked from dungeon parties?
lol sure. Very credible statement.
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Balance is still out of wack. Culling is mostly fixed minus the input lag in ZvZ, normally experienced in T1 and T2. They are nerfing direct damage when condition damage is still weak(and still will be) in PvE but superior in sPvP and WvW. Don’t worry though! They are still providing their mediocre Living Story every 2-3 weeks to keep the PvE players somewhat satisfied. Makes you question the title of the game.
PvE Wars 2 ?
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Why do people get so uptight because Allie isn’t posting here lately? She is a freaking PR person. She won’t be deciding anything when it comes to any class. It’s like phoning your cable or wireless company with complaints. The person on the other end of the line will let you rant….give you a few “I understands” and promise to look into it. Their entire job is to diffuse the situation and let you blow off a little steam.
Placate – make (someone) less angry or hostile. pacify, calm, appease, mollify, soothe, win over, conciliate, propitiate, make peace with, humor
“Their entire job is to diffuse the situation and let you blow off a little steam.” Then let her do it here?
What you wrote is just like what people would expect to happen in this thread, with the little addition of “giving directions”, would it only be in the way of “I feel this is something that would help the class” or “I feel this idea has some merits, but needs elaborations”.
The PR cable guy in your example would also make you do some things at your end, not just listen, stating, “i am listening”…
Even if some people want Anet’s direction, all I ask is for someone to give a direction to the thread… not "Anet’s view is’, but “my view is”.
last post that’s been flamed was the one about sustained skirmisher… PR would have come saying “As a person, I agree that it’s awkward given the current direction of the game, maybe we can move on and try to give a new definition of the ranger? how would you like to see it’s definition evolve from this point, while keeping it unique?”
This does not engage Anet, yet it gives players the impression someone is caring… Which is exactly what I expect from a PR person…
I understand she’s been sick pretty much at that point, but either Anet should have temporarily appointed an other PR while she’s away, or she might have dropped a little note stating “I will be away for a few days for personal reasons – will catch up as soon as I get back – devs will keep reading the posts, though they might not answer, so keep it constructive!”.
When I was moderator in a forum, though not as big/complex, as this one, any time I saw a “noone cares” post, I’d step in with a little “I do, I read though I don’t comment, now get back on topic” kind of comment, which works wonder to diffuse situations.
TL;DR
I don’t expect Allie to tell us where rangers would go, but I expect her to animate the discussion…
That’s my entire point. If she did post more yes, it would placate some people ..but it is meaningless….since she is just a PR person. She will agree that some suggestions make sense …..even though she doesn’t really know the issues …then people will latch on to what she says and run with it …see the pet issue where she said people have a good point about maybe stowing the pet. That caused a kittenstorm until retracted.
You think that was helpful?
Edit: and the cable guy call was after paying a bill or changing the account and you vent about the recent price increase for cable. He can’t do a thing about it but he agrees with what you said….pretty much the same way Allie does
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Boar pet for the forage skills. Iirc you can get the item (bone i think) that lets you stun (or was it daze) that gets increased duration from MoC.
All 3 of the items get increased by MoC, so you’ve got a boosted AoE fear, a boosted long range daze, and a boosted Melee range (idk if it cleaves) stun.
I know the stun is 6s with MoC, and I think the daze is like 8s and the fear is like 6s (when like right next to someone)
A specific porker? I have 2 pigs and none of the foraged stuff is what you listed
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If they’re hesitant, or unwilling, to spend the time reworking a dozen different skills, why don’t they just do 2 things and see what happens:
1. The damage split is supposedly 70% / 30% between ranger and pet. Change that to 85% / 15%
2. Increase base health to Ranger by 3,000
Will increase damage and survivability and then the community can test it out and see if it works.
I agree that the class needs a complete overhaul, but Anet will probably tell us that would take 6 months to a year to do. This is simple, could be done tomorrow by changing a few numbers, and could be implemented into the game for the players to test.
Bottom line is they need to do something and do it quickly to show they acknowledge there’s an issue, and that they care.
Bingo.
That’s exactly what they did for Warriors who went from an under performing class to some say over powered. all it takes is a couple of tweaks like the ones you suggested. No redesign needed.
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Why do people get so uptight because Allie isn’t posting here lately? She is a freaking PR person. She won’t be deciding anything when it comes to any class. It’s like phoning your cable or wireless company with complaints. The person on the other end of the line will let you rant….give you a few “I understands” and promise to look into it. Their entire job is to diffuse the situation and let you blow off a little steam.
Placate – make (someone) less angry or hostile. pacify, calm, appease, mollify, soothe, win over, conciliate, propitiate, make peace with, humor
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1. Community decides on 4 people to represent their class …the Ranger.
2. Internal CDI with the Ranger community and the 4 reps monitoring the debate.
3. The 4 reps talk to Anet to better understand what Anet is able to, and willing to do for the class …IE what is their vision
4. The 4 reps produce a well thought out, legible, accurate report to present to Anet that reflects both the Ranger communities ideas that correspond with Anets parameters.
It’s not like the above format is a ground breaking new idea. It’s tried and true. Strange how it’s not being used.
No.
I don’t want “the best four rangers” to determine how to run my class the best, I don’t want ANet to only listen to “the people who know the class”, because that immediately pushes me out of the focus because I don’t do as much WvW or PvP. And I don’t sit there crunching numbers and stats and agonizing over what to change with the Ranger. I’ve learned how to use what’s there which works for me.
And I have this . . . not unfounded suspicion . . . those people who the community would elect? Wouldn’t care what I thought, wouldn’t care how I want to play, and would put forth a design paradigm which wouldn’t be the ranger I like to play or want to play.
I did this once before where I went looking on PvX Wiki for a ranger build in GW1. Four builds, and I couldn’t handle any of them because of the sheer amount of micro two required, one was gimmicky as all heck, and the fourth was purely PvP focused. I can’t play a class exactly like another person says I should be playing it.
The longer this thread gets, the more I just see if the “top community” gets to work on this, then I won’t be able to play my ranger and I’ll have to make the decision to jump to another class and start learning them . . . or just leave.
Apparently you didn’t read what I posted. Just like the Devs haven’t read the million stupid ideas from non Rangers in this thread. The way it’s set up now..won’t work. It’s a waste of everyone’s time. This is a simple PR stunt that is doomed for failure.
I didn’t say 4 people would decide the fate of Rangers. I said 4 people would be chosen by the community. Those 4 would likely be well respected posters that have shown great knowledge of the class…and also have the credibility to know what is over powered or under powered.
The community would then spam their ideas. Same as they are doing now. The difference is the 4 reps, along with the community, would filter out all the BS spam. They would throw the crap out and put together a package for the devs that was readable and reasonable…that fit Anets vision.
So many posts that have completely redesigned the class is laughable. The bad news is that spam has covered up the actual good ideas. Ideas that are simple tweaks that have an actual chance to be used and would help the class.
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Another day without responses…. as if the Ranger community didn’t already feel alienated enough.
Lets have a goal tomorrow guys. No more pet posts until ANet comes back asking for more. We’ve gone in circles enough. Lets cover some new ground!
Silence speaks louder than words. In the case of this particular thread, it got too long to read. I couldn’t be paid enough to muddle through walls of texts written in mostly broken-English. Collaboration should have happened 1 hour over Skype with top member of the ranger community. This 41 page monstrosity here is a rotting and foul mess that is not fit for human consumption.
Agree 100%
1. Community decides on 4 people to represent their class …the Ranger.
2. Internal CDI with the Ranger community and the 4 reps monitoring the debate.
3. The 4 reps talk to Anet to better understand what Anet is able to, and willing to do for the class …IE what is their vision
4. The 4 reps produce a well thought out, legible, accurate report to present to Anet that reflects both the Ranger communities ideas that correspond with Anets parameters.
It’s not like the above format is a ground breaking new idea. It’s tried and true. Strange how it’s not being used.
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Pro-tip..
1.) Ascended is not required and this ‘vertical progression’ is miniscule enough to be ignored without noticing any improvement
2.) You can get an ascended backpiece without any crafting (and if you use the Forge as an example of crafting, all you do is click buttons a few times and you get your backpiece)
That’s good news. Not sure where or how I can get that piece though.
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I saw a beauty of a post in the CDI a day ago. The guy started the post with …“I have never played a Ranger, but here are my suggestions how to improve them”
Pretty much sums up the problem.
If you fight against rangers you know what they need ……..
Actually rangers need a skill which people were afraid of, each time people see a ranger they stomp him because they know that rangers doesnt have a real burst skill(eviscerate,mindwrack,elecombo,stealth+BS,etc).
lol yea, that makes them a real expert.
#wow
If you are a good player .yes, you know what rangers need, and TBH you only must look at numbers in WvW for example, 1/50 is ranger, 40/50 guardian/warriors/thieves, 9/50 eles,engis,nec,mesmer.
Knowing they need help is completely different than knowing the specific help they need.
Opinion vs informed opinion.
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I saw a beauty of a post in the CDI a day ago. The guy started the post with …“I have never played a Ranger, but here are my suggestions how to improve them”
Pretty much sums up the problem.
If you fight against rangers you know what they need ……..
Actually rangers need a skill which people were afraid of, each time people see a ranger they stomp him because they know that rangers doesnt have a real burst skill(eviscerate,mindwrack,elecombo,stealth+BS,etc).
lol yea, that makes them a real expert.
#wow
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I saw a beauty of a post in the CDI a day ago. The guy started the post with …“I have never played a Ranger, but here are my suggestions how to improve them”
Pretty much sums up the problem.
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Nice job. I play around with a condi build at times. I prefer S/D because the bleed is better and from Range. Dagger main hand sure has a nice fire DOT though with #2
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I haven’t logged into GW2 since I started playing ESO. Aside from having three opposing sides there really is no comparison between the two games. ESO’s PvP is everything that GW2’s isn’t.
Too bad the actual combat in that game isn’t that good. It’s not worth a subscription.
ESO’s in combat Movement, Panning and skill use is HORRIBLE: It’s amost impossible to attack while panning around you to see where you’re being hit from.
However, the pvp system is soo much better than GW2’s PvD system.
That’s because you’re using what basically amounts to Elder Scrolls Movement system as an MMO.
Let me guess, You’re still using Mouse 1 and 2 for Swinging your Weapon and Blocking right?
I use an N52TE pad.. and a Naga, There is no way I could play like that, So what i did was changed my Mouse 1 and 2 to Forward and Backwards like I have it in GW2.
and I simply made My normal 1 and 2 Keys that I use for my 1 and 2 abilities in GW2 my Weapon Attack, and my Blocking Key, This allowed me to basically play the game in Mouse look like I normally do in MMO’s
I cant tell if in the picture it is right side up or upside down? Is the thumb button supposed to be for left thumb or right thumb?
“This guy crit 6k on heartseeker!”
“Its fine cause this guy can crit 8k on eviscerate”
“Yah, but the 6k can be spammed!”
“pff, the guy from 6k is squishy… the 8k guy is hard to kill!”
“But this guy can combo from stealth instantly and drop 15k+ on you!”
“well, this guy can chain-CC you untill you die.”
“…so can this guy!”
“But this one can pierce a ranged attack for 19k!”
“Well this one can backstab you for 11k from stealth!”
Ow, but yah… conditions are overpowered.
It’s called misdirection, and many think using misdirection is a good debate tactic.
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Agree. If you are caught solo by anyone in that type of build…you are dead. I’m sure some of the better players may be able to pull it off. Most can’t.
I played 80% glassy last night. Ran around the edges of the zerg. Stuff dies pretty quick even from 1800 range when your first shot hits for 5k
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Because its filled with a lot of players who honestly shouldn’t be making suggestions about the class, Because they are freakin clueless about it in the first place.
Everyone has the right to have a idea of where the class might go… just because it’s not your idea don’t make it less valuable.
Some ideas I don’t agree with (looks like these players want to make a lesser war out of the ranger), some ideas I agree with (though I think they would need tweeking), and some are just crazy (in both the good or bad way). But they are all visions of what rangers can be / of what their definition/their role might be… because, right now, we have none…
This thread, as I see it, was made to let out some steam, instead of polluting the CDI. It achieved its purpose…
No, they don’t. It’s like when people say everyone has a right to their opinion. That little cliche should be changed to everyone has a right to their informed opinion. People that don’t have a clue what they are talking about yet still open their piehole to bless us with their opinion.
Let out some steam as in…let the kids vent a little and get some stuff off their chest… we already know what we are going to do kinda thing?
Laughable
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I would still like to see anet buff pets to the point that was near the damage output in GW1 with 16 beatmastery when you put 30 points in the current rendition of the beastmastery trait line… Also if we could get a list of ideas they had taken from the thread so we knew were to focus the rest of the week it would be grand.
The people screaming to remove pets still need a slap in the back of the head cause they are kittening off people who are trying to post ideas on how to fix the pet mechanics or possible ways to fix pet mechanics.
It’s not that Rangers don’t want the pets. The problem is they don’t work…and Anet says they can’t fix it. Since that is the case. What is the solution slap boy?
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The players are not at fault here. There was no developer interaction or discussion here. Only one developer ever posted and her posts were few and far in between. We had no positive discussion steering towards the things the developers want discussed. No wonder it was a random suggestion posting bonanza.
Doomed for failure from the start. Was pretty easy to predict what was going to happen. Which reinforces that Anet doesn’t have a clue at times…..or, it was a complete set up and they knew exactly what they were doing.
It’s one or the other.
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I agree with you Chrispy. Tweaks. That is all that is needed to make the Ranger legit. Look what happened to Warriors. Offhand sword added torment….increased passive healing and a 3 condition wipe on full bar of adrenaline.
Class went from laughing stock under powered to laughing stock over powered.
We all complain at times about GW2 but their balance is fairly close. A couple of small, well thought out changes is all that is needed.
Not a total redesign.
….best line of the week ….. The whole thing seems more like a corporate focus meeting rapid fire idea thread that’s just as effective as our rapid fire is now.
lol
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Unfortunately this thread seems to have gotten partly hung up on sustain vs. burst and power creep discussion instead of exploring other ideas. Allie, would it be possible to provide a little direction to the discussion? Any ideas in the last 10 pages that you all think are interesting and we should explore further?
Agree 100%. It’s not good when a Ranger CDI has posts with other classes talking about their problems.
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what most people have said in this thread are correct. if u like using LB in PvP u’ll love it for WvW even better. it has much more use in WvW and is a dominant power weapon in WvW. i tend to run on outskirts of zergs and picking off players as i see em. it works well for me when i do it. i always pack my LB anywhere i go but in dungeons it is utterly pointless to be using. as you are in fact missing out on a LOT of team buffs and your team is missing out on any buffs you may be able to give. since LB gets weaker the closer you target is it is best to run a sword or GS at all times with it. as a result in those team scenarios my bow is the first thing off the bar. so if you really want to run LB in dungeons make sure you’re with players who don’t mind you going off into range.
That is the way to play it imo.
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Short bow is for sissies, run both. Use d/p to gain almost permanent stealth, and then switch to d/d to deliver the usual mug combo.
Scholar runes, traits 30/30/0/0/10 or 30/30/0/10/0 depending on what you prefer. Utilities are assassins signet, shadow step, shadow refuge and basilisk venom.
It’s a cheap setup but you are a thief, right?
That was the exact thing I have been thinking about. Seems like the best of both worlds by not using SB
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Like what? it does massive dps… not to mention the huge mobility. if you dont have a target #4 leaves a trail of fire which if you run in to an enemy that is immo it will almost 1 shot them. on top of that it kills wow siege very good and the treb in pvp it also gives good stat boosts. the only problem i can see is that it does not proc sig of restoration cause its a conjure. and thats not even a problem for me cause i use ether renewal
Not sure I understand that statement
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So is anybody else perplexed by how we’re supposed to present proposals, yet the devs insist on having conversations about different ideas they could possible implement and asking the community their opinion on them, which comes off as contradicting to the CDI and how it was made to seem to be a “present your suggestions in this format” thread?
It seems like the constant flooding of ideas is diluting the conversations that people are trying to have is all…….. .
That’s exactly what is happening. Disorganized and chaos. That is why any meeting should have an agenda, and someone to enforce it. If that doesn’t happen it’s human nature to ramble and segue onto something else….or argue among each other.
Very poor format that was laughably easy to predict was going to turn into a gong show. We have some incredibly intelligent members of the Ranger community who play the class and know it inside out. Who test things, experiment with builds and help others. Those are the guys that should be receiving all the suggestions and creating a package to deliver to the devs. The best Ranger minds in the game are being caught up in the spam from fools who think they know everything.
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I’m a bit perplexed when reading this thread. Regardless of how the CDI thread is supervised and how much you dis/agree with suggestions people make I do not understand the attitude of sitting it out and judging other peoples suggestions while some of you don’t even participate in the CDI yourself.
Don’t get me wrong, the Ranger thread is awesome. But why does that justify not participating in the CDI thread? If you actually care you should be willing to make the effort and make proposals. What is the point of expressing your opinion here and not in the CDI thread?
I do not main Ranger and I therefore might not be the most qualified person to make proposals for this class. I’m sure quite a few people disagree with ideas I have. Still, I do care enough about my Ranger to contribute proposals and discuss ideas from my point of view. How do you guys expect a satisfying result if you don’t even try to make a difference?
There is a phenomena called the Dunning–Kruger effect, where people who don’t know anything about something don’t know that they don’t know anything. For example if you have no idea what human anatomy is like, you may feel fully qualified to perform surgery on someone because you have no idea that you might kill the person (which is hysterically what the first surgeons did, it’s pretty gruesome history that I totally recommend reading about!) A modern surgeon is going to realize he can’t possibly know everything about surgery and will enlist the aid of specialists.
If others here feel the same way I do, we’re not posting because we’re not qualified. It’s not so much that I refuse to post in the thread, I just wish the devs would refuse to listen to the people in that thread. The community can suggest problems with rangers, but most of us just don’t understand the behind the scenes balancing enough to suggest solutions. That’s why the CDI thread is a big pile of garbage suggestions. The devs are getting paid a lot of money to balance video game classes for a living because enough people think they’re good at it enough to manage hundreds of millions of dollars worth of fan money. I get paid to do something else entirely.
One of the only good posts in the CDI thread is a guy who simply lists what is BAD about rangers and doesn’t offer solutions.
I have a hell of a lot of faith in how the devs balance professions. They have an actual system and don’t just do things based on whims or community perceptions. They understand that not everything is directly comparable, that there need to be risks vs rewards, etc. The community patently does NOT understand this. You get people comparing things directly rather than the professions as a whole. You can’t compare one utility to another because each profession is far more complicated than a single skill.
Fantastic post. It’s how I feel exactly. To top it off I learned something new.
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Fair enough Prysin but seen it in more than one case that a player who is great on a Ranger will be that much better on another class. I also didn’t I say it was guaranteed. I didn’t say every single person who has a Ranger right now will be that much better with other classes. I specifically refered to people who excel with a Ranger are much much much more likely to be much much much better with another class regardless of anything else. I was also basing it off of my and others that I play with personal experiences with Ranger and then playing other classes.
“Former” Rangers generally appear better because they play a profession that relies on incombat mobility and evasive actions rather then cheesy invluns and stun-locking people from hurting you. This is why they can play any other profession with ease, they learnt how to defend themselves without too much cheese involved.
I do it myself on my ele, lvl 26 uplevel D/D Conjuration. Steamrolled a warrior and mesmer yak-slapper duo couple of days ago. Made a enemy zerg back off a tower untill they had a blob, by just using simple staff rotations to cover the fields in AOE before rushing in with the hammer. Its not that Ele is some super uber class, its just that i dont have issues playing paper professions after being used to playing zerker ranger in WvW.
When you cannot rely on the profession to carry you, you learn to carry the profession and that skill will always be carried onto other professions. However i know for a fact that if i stay too long on my ele, i get carefree and start screwing up. You gotta keep yourself on your toes, but as soon as you get comfortable with “easy” your skills degrade into that of “ezmode cheese heroes”
^^^^ So true. My main is a Ranger. I do alright with him but not as good as some of the people here. Tried out a Warrior for a change of pace. When i came back to Ranger I got slaughtered. Warrior spoiled me. I still haven’t got back to where I was.
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It’s a good thing I’m not drinking when I read through the CDI thread so far, because most of the ideas are so depressingly bad that I don’t know if I’d be able to maintain myself lol.
Seriously though, I’m irritated for putting my suggestions up so early. I mean, I had to do them at some point, but at this point, I seriously, seriously, seriously doubt that this CDI is going to produce anywhere near the result that the community hoped it would produce, due to a combination of the the thread being handled in a way where it’s just “throw out your ideas at us” and people who don’t understand balance or are trying to project how they want the class to play onto the class and make it something it isn’t flooding the CDI with suggestions.
The CDI should have been much more philosophically centered, so that it became an open dialogue between the community and devs about where they think that class is versus where we think it is, and what direction they want the class to go versus what direction we see the class going, and how we could meet in the middle somewhere philosophically while ironing out any physical balance issues that are brought up along the way.
Sadly, entering the CDI thread right now just looks like a spam email folder…
It is horrible over there. I am seeing suggestions from people that I have never seen post in Rangers forum before or if they have posted, it’s about every other class except Ranger. Some of the suggestions are so horribly bad it’s laughable.
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Wannabe game developers that have an “expert opinion” on how every class should be balanced spamming the Ranger CDI
Perfect
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I still take heat for not stacking with 10+other people. I come from Daoc and that’s the last thing you would ever do….which also seem like common sense for any game.
The reason why commanders call for stack (those that know anything about combat in this game) is to control boon timers and for blast finisher effects to spread over more players. If you’re not within range of those boons and combo effect finishers, you’re missing out in vital boons such as Protection, Regeneration and Might.
Spreading out and not moving in a stack is actually the best way to combat a hammer train. Restack when boons run out.
Some most commanders are just bad.
oh I understand why it happens, it just feels very wrong to do it. Also when I watch 2 groups fight I find it amusing they both stack up…do their little blasts…then charge each other..pass through each other…then blob up again for heals. Rinse repeat. Like two Rams fighting or something….or like the movie Braveheart where the two blobs run at each other screaming and clash in the middle. The fights are completely different than daoc and just seem a little counter intuitive.
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Defense is nowhere near what is should be. It should take the attacking force at least 2x the numbers of the defenders to succeed. Currently wall fighting is completely slanted towards the attackers….which is crazy in itself.
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