Guild Wars 2

thewaterguy.4796:

Aomine.5012:

thewaterguy.4796:

Aomine.5012:

thewaterguy.4796:

Oh for…this again?

1. ArenaNet have NEVER said that the precourser crafting system would be easier or cheaper then the current way, it’s not meant to be easier, it’s meant to be an alternative method of obtaining a precursorIf your going to distill everything down to basic numbers, then fine don’t craft precursors just buy them if it means that much to you, but don’t come on the forums and cry about how precursors are too difficult to obtain, a legendary is not something handed to you,

2. What happened to the FUN? I found crafting my precursor super interesting and compelling, having to create a basic weapon then slowly upgrading and infusing it with various magics and strange items throughout the world

Can we please stop with this “discussion” about how ArenaNet “falsely advertised” (Which they didn’t) and quit demanding the system be changed to make it easier, legendaries are common enough already, and now that a non-RNG system is in the game, people still complain… sheesh, if you don’t like it go play a singleplayer game

I bet you’re filthy rich, and skip all the tedious part by buying everything, then you can have your fun in part 3.

Try not to use gold for once and start gathering 8000 soft woods, 6000 hard woods and call it fun.

Welcome to an MMO, legendary weapons are not some super cheap thing everyone gets as a “thanks for playing”, that’s why they are legendary weapons, as I said, if you don’t like it, you shouldn’t be playing MMO’s

LMAO.

All the MMO I know/played give you TOP GEARS by doing the HARDEST, TOUGHEST contents, TOUGHEST bosses, with TEAM EFFORT.

GW2 ask you to do the most boring stuffs: Logging/Mining for hundred of hours for legendaries. I DO NOT consider this as playing the game, or playing MMO.

I’m sorry, explain to me why Arena-net should devalue legendary weapons for all players who have worked so hard to craft them just because a few people whine about it on the forums? Legendaries are something you earn by dedicating time and effort to the game, simple as that, if you can’t understand that, well I’m afraid there’s nothing more I have to say to you

Leaving aside the fact that there’s nothing “legendary” about grinding gold or puking weapons into the mystic toilet, we’re talking about precursors here, nor legendaries. Precursors, I’ll point out again, are entirely ordinary exotic weapons that happen to be part of a mystic toilet recipe.

warbignime.4610:

It’s not meant to be easier either and Legendary should NOT be easy to get..

No, legendaries shouldn’t be easier to get, but their precursors should. It’s painfully obvious from looking at the process of making the actual legendary weapon that the expense was supposed to fall on the gifts (particularly the Gift of Fortune), but somewhere along the way Anet screwed up.

Precursors are just exotic weapons used in a mystic forge recipe, when you get down to it, and no exotic weapon should require ascended mats to make (let alone enough to craft dozens of actual ascended weapons).

I just want the kitten glider, I’m not paying 2000 gems for that.

Swift.1930:

Yeah, we should be able to buy pieces – or at least to choose which sections are shown via the outfit panel. I hate hats/helmets quite a lot, and most gem store outfits include hideous ones. (Also, Guild Wars 1 sold outfits, and you could choose which parts you used. Come on, Guild Wars 2, catch up already…)

You can turn off outfit headgear by turning off your armor’s helm.

There’s very few JPs where gliding would actually be useful (outside of saving yourself from falling damage). Most of them are either in enclosed spaces or the highest points in the area, and usually involve going upwards.

Also, JP rewards are hot garbage so I don’t care that much about defending their sanctity.

It would have made sense to toss the old unobtainable weapon/armor skins in HoT content somewhere, add them as salvageable blues/greens in the loot table or add them to the inventory of the pact mastery merchants or something.

I want my godkitten ed Apostle Leggings!

In before someone comes in to whine about how other people having something he already has will make him sad and shrink his e-kitten.

Rising Dusk.2408:

This thread is incredible.

ANet said nothing about wanting to remove Berserker’s as a viable gear stat combination. What they wanted to inhibit was having your entire team be Berserker’s and outright ignore mechanics because content was too easy. They wanted to change the paradigm from “finishing content as fast as possible” to “struggle to finish content at all”. Thus, what they did was create content that was hard enough and damaging enough to force a couple players in a group to think about things from a different angle, and thus you get healers. Cleric’s Healers. The very fact that people are arguing about how necessary healers are indicates that ANet succeeded at doing exactly what they wanted to do: diversify the builds and roles that people are using. Ten days ago no one in their right mind brought Healing Power to instanced PvE content.

Yes, introducing the holy trinity into a game heavily sold on the specific lack thereof is definitely a good thing that should be celebrated…/sarcasm

Billy.1879:

Can anyone tell me of another game were you have defense stats as a DPS? Because I can’t think of one.

That’s why you get a healer yo, to keep out of down state and max out the DPS like your job as a DPS is

This game was never supposed to have healers in the first place!

Rising Dusk.2408:

Halvorn.9831:

Now count 2 and 2 together, will you? The game is greatly intended for “casual” players and it is doing well. Could it be that it is doing well BECAUSE it is intended for “casual” players?

Sure, it’s doing well in major part because it caters to casual players. Does that mean it should never in its entire lifetime do anything for any other kind of player? Of course not.

The game is littered with content that was supposed to be “challenging”. Dungeons, fractals, Tequatl, the Triple Wurms. The content locust crowd devoured each in turn and then came crying to Anet for more when they got bored with them. What happens when you get bored with this, too? Anet’s resources aren’t infinite, if they start focusing on raids to the exclusion of actually accessible content, people are going to get angry (and rightfully so).

Goldenrevolver.4371:

this is not supposed to be beatable by the vast majority at all.

Good to know the majority of the playerbase is subsidizing content they’re explicitly not supposed to be able to complete!

Frosty.5401:

Still don’t understand why people are complaining about precursor crafting, obviously it has to be challenging/expensive in order to maintain (or not affect at all) the prices of tp precursors.

What makes the price of precursors so kittening sacred that Anet can’t touch them?

Precursor crafting should take time and effort, but it should not take gold or anything that can be sold on the TP for gold (and when it comes down to it, grinding mats isn’t really any different from grinding gold, and it’s even less fun). The ideal would have been a dichomy: craft your precursor cheaply over a long period of time vs pay a lot more gold to get it instantly, with the forge and random drops as wildcards.

Yeah, the wyvern and the tiger being gated behind a huge meta event is really stupid and bizarre.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

The more valuable the Ascended gear, the higher your chances are for good drops. Next time, try salvaging an Ascended Weapon or Armor, and then come back with your results. I guarantee you you’ll get what you want.

Edit – 18 Gold is a drop in a bucket. You’ll get next to nothing with spending such low amounts. Save your money, craft some boots or gloves, and then salvage.

I’d say this was good satire, if I didn’t know that you were 100% sincere.

I have literally seen people run headlong into traps they watched me place, that’s the source of most of the complaints right there.

It’s like when ranger longbow got buffed to actually be usable and people lost their godkitten minds.

The karka queen is dying faster because breaking her breakbar breaks her armor, and karka take a lot more damage after that happens.

Faab.8049:

Why does the Jungle Worm does not do the same huge Knockback as Golem mk2 can do?

It does, it’s just a single one rather than the three in a row the golem’s ground pound does, and covers a smaller area. It also has an AOE fear.

Scribe is a dumpster fire of a crafting profession right now and anet needs to rework the hell out of it. The requirements for making even the simplest decorations are just insane.

If it’s meant to be a real crafting progession, then make it reasonable to level. If it’s meant to be some sort of group effort for the entire guild, turn it into another guild hall upgrade system. Trying to be both is just a mess.

Jayllyfish.3489:

So wait, it’s hard to farm mats for one of the best weapons in it’s slot and very expensive if you want to circumvent the farm? What a scam! /eyeroll

Precursors are just ordinary exotic weapons, aside from their use in mystic forge recipes.

zombyturtle.5980:

If they cost less than the TP price of precursors it would crash the TP pre economy and have a knock on effect on the rest of the economy. Anet specifically said they didnt want to do this.

Pre crafting’s purpose was ONLY to give a non RNG method, and a non grindy method of gaining precursors. All of the gold skin components dont need to be grinded and can be got just by playing maps.

Idk why people cant seem to understand this.

People understand Anet’s protectionism of their virtual economy just fine, they just don’t agree with it. Those aren’t the same thing.

tobascodagama.2961:

Taxiing isn’t a game mechanic, it’s a side effect of the megaserver system that players have learned to use to their advantage. ANet shouldn’t be relying on it, they should be tweaking event scaling and megaserver sorting so that taxis aren’t necessary.

Hell, taxiing actually predates the megaservers.

Astralporing.1957:

Actually, you do have a point, but only where ascended crafting is concerned. Here, they have just added 3 elonian squares to the cost of each insignia, while leaving the damask at the previous value. It was a straight increase, made to make ascended gear cost more. This at the same time where it has suddenly became more important (due to incoming raids) and also when Anet massively nerfed asended drop rates in fractals.

I’d really, really want to hear reason behind that one.

This is why you don’t let economists dictate game design!

Ragnarox.9601:

When ppl don’t dodge LB#5 attack they deserve to die from traps.
99% ppl have no awareness about whats happening around them, when they die from burst dmg of traps they are to blame ->QQ inc. to forum about DH traps.

Not to mention the number of idiots that will run right up to a Dragonhunter. Admittedly I’ve only used it against trolls in daily arenas, but I’ve literally had people watch me set down traps and then come right at me anyway.

PlatinumMember.5274:

Arena net made it very clear Legendary collections would be hard. Their intent was to keep the value of precursor.

As usual, Anet cares more about their precious economy than they do their players.

And let’s not even get into the stupidity of using ascended mats (in ludicrous quantities because beep boop arbitrary value of item must be protected because reasons) to make an exotic weapon.

ZachAttack.3957:

As for “cheaper”. What should have been taken away from the monetary cost of the crafting should have been added in the time investment it takes you to craft it. Therefore they would be on the same level, with one requiring 100% gold and one 50% gold and 50% time investment. But what ended up happening was the same massive gold cost along with a massive time investment tacked on.

Yeah, this. What precursor crafting should have been was a system that required a lot of time but very little gold (or items that can be sold on the TP, ie ascended mats). That way, there would be a dichotomy of long-term and cheap (crafting) versus immediate but expensive (buying it on the TP), with the toilet for people who feel lucky and random drops as a wild card.

SkyFallsInThunder.8257:

People are deluding themselves if they think ANet would crash the value of precursors (and thus the value of legends) by making them trivial to obtain through running around. From what I gather from people who completed collections, the general trend is that the price is a bit lower through collections, but not by far.

What makes the price of precursors so sacrosanct? They’re just exotic weapons when you get down to it. The real expense in making a legendary should be coming from the rest of the components (I’m pretty sure that’s literally the point of the Gift of Fortune!)

Zaron.1987:

You really expected to get the precursor for only doing challenges and not investing gold by mats ? O.o

The devs already said before releasing it they dont want to crash precursors/forge and thats the right/good way!

The precursor market is a toxic clusterkitten and needs to be lanced like the pus-filled wound in the economy it is.

For Kudzu 1, the puzzle in the last room of Tears of Itlaocol is bugged, preventing access to the flower in the treasure room. I assume this has something to do with the lighting bug that’s making the entire room (and certain other areas in the game that should be dark) light up like the godkitten ed sun, since I can barely even see the pattern on the statue.

Hero challenges should never be forced group content, you need them for elite specs and map completion. Requiring you to depend on the whims of other players to do something that the rest of the game let you do by yourself is bad game design.

Honestly, the Improvised set would have made more sense as drops in Verdant Brink (you know, Pact survivors creating makeshift weapons to defend themselves and all that). It’s a weird choice for a black lion set though.

I (and multiple other people) got a chest box from a tier 4 nighttime Verdant Brink, so that definitely works. I don’t know if it’s a guaranteed drop or just a possible one though.

You have to wait for the Scout’s little map presentation to finish first, if you skip that it probably messes it up.

There’s a lot of enemies that really need do a balance pass (mushrooms, Coztic frogs, and wyverns, primarily).

dankid.9321:

3)Hero points are not soloable. This one may sort of be legitimate, but not everything has to be soloable. Case in point, I ended up gliding to one of the more hiddent HPs in Verdant Brink and there were two other guys there. They stated they was no way we could take it without at least one or two more. We tried once and got wiped pretty quickly. We then changed things around a bit, and were able to do it the second time. Me being a healer actually made it all possible. So, yeah, it sucked that it was challenging, but it was more rewarding when we beat it. But there are some that are just ridiculous.

The hero points need to be soloable. Even aside from elite specs, they’re required for map completion (which ties into multiple collections and the new legendaries), and locking people out of that due to the whims of other players is bad design. It’s going to be a big problem down the road once the players move on to whatever the newest content is (new zones added with LS3? Another expansion?).

Alessa Sky.9086:

My God, just add chest to Itzel merchant please. i wasting time every day on VB and never get this stupid chest.

Yeah, that. It was acceptable with the Carapace chest because the Vinewrath practically hemorrhaged coat boxes (I swear I must have gotten at least 50, possibly even 100), but the Verdant Brink meta isn’t nearly so obliging.

Ohoni.6057:

People were asking for an alternative as a METHOD of making it cheaper, and everyone was very clear about that. An alternative that does not result in a cheaper price is a worthless alternative.

Yes, exactly this. Anet’s original announcement of precursor crafting two years ago was spurred on by people’s complaints about skyrocketing precursor prices, and there have been hundreds if not thousands of threads on the subject on this forum alone. People calmed down once they announced precursor crafting was actually coming to HoT, but once everyone realizes it’s not any better than buying it or worshipping the toilet those threads are coming back with a vengeance.

Adine.2184:

not until they figure out a way to disable it in JPs and even then it’s doubtful

Most jumping puzzles are in enclosed spaces or significantly higher than the surrounding terrain in the first place, and even if they weren’t they give garbage rewards so who cares.

PopeUrban.2578:

The question is whether its worth the time (and thus money) that it would take to implement for zones that can be traversed just fine without gliding, and that gliding wouldn’t really add much to?

I’d wager that from Arenanet’s perspective it is not. Not only that, they may actually want to maintain the “wow factor” for new players of not seeing anyone gliding around in the core maps. I know when I did my first HoT BWE, just walking in to verdant brink test and watching a guy jump off a cliff I was like “nooooo, dummy” and then he winged on outta there and I was like “woah, cool, that’s different”

On the other hand, seeing HoT-owning people gliding around central Tyria would be like a giant glowing neon sign saying “buy HoT and you can do this too!” to holdouts and F2P players.

There is literally no reason for hero challenges to require other people. NONE. And putting them on a timer on top of being group events is just sadistic (DPS races are the laziest form of “challenge” imaginable).

If you want challenge, go do the meta events. That’s what they’re there for.

They definitely need to provide new spawn locations for the electric wyvern and tiger. Locking about half of our new pets at the end of the biggest, buggiest, and most obnoxious event chain in the game is just a serious kitten move.

Shadow Behemoth’s event ui has been broken since HoT launched, and the Frozen Maw’s has been mostly broken. It seems to only really affect those two, though.

Drow.2081:

Exactly how could they fix this without making it a handout?

Cut the number of hero points required in half, to 200, and cut the value of the hero challenges in Maguuma (and the costs of getting them in WvW) in half accordingly. Also retune the HoT hero points to be doable solo.

Now, earning all the hero points in core Tyria is enough to unlock your elite spec (and I emphasize “earning”, because people seem really keen to devalue the time and effort put into map completion), or you can unlock it in the new maps while ignoring central Tyria altogether, or do it in WvW, or use whatever combination of those methods you wish.

At the bare minimum, hero points need to be tuned down to be doable solo.

Right now, one of HoT’s primarily selling points (and by far the most emphasized) is gated behind a hero point grind, that’s gated behind a mastery grind, that’s gated behind an exp grind, that’s gated behind a fifty dollar paywall. It’s no surprise people (most of whom wanted to play HoT as their elite spec, not for it) aren’t happy with that.

Spinal blades should count.

Leave it to Anet to solve a problem without actually solving the problem.

If it costs as much to make a precursor as buy one, but takes a lot more time, then there’s literally no point to it at all.

Relshdan.6854:

Phy.2913:

Anyone remember Orr on release?

exactly.
sadly (to me) i see this totally nerfed in a few months……..but it shouldn’t be.

Orr was a miserable, tedious slog pre-nerf, and that on a good day.

The hero points need to be able to be done solo. Locking people out of their elite specs based on the whims of other players is bad game design (on top of the gating elite specs behind hero points in the first place, and those behind masteries, and those behind a boatload of exp).

There is no reason for hero challenges not to be soloable. Your personal progression should not be dependent on the whims of other people, period.

People want to do the new content with their elite specs, not for their elite specs. This is not a difficult concept to comprehend! Especially when HoT’s marketing leaned so very heavily on them (while conveniently leaving out the “grind your kitten off in the jungle” part of actually unlocking them).

I assume it’s part of the spear precursor collection.

bigbobpataki.4796:

A few months ago: We want harder open world content ArenaNet!

Decently challenging hero point challenges that require you to group in a MMO are implemented.

Forums this week: We want easier open world content!

It’s almost as if people didn’t like having their ability to unlock their elite specs and complete the map dependent on the whims of other people! Amazing, that.

Zaklex.6308:

Those that are complaining about group content realize that you don’t actually have to group up to do the content…it only means that there should be a group to do the content. I almost never join formal groups, I just run around the map finding events and do them, if others are there, fine…if not, that’s fine too. You can solo most of the map, it will just take you longer than normal…and HP points are split 50/50 between events and channeling, so it’s an even amount between solo and group.

The only hero point I was able to reach on foot spawned a champion dinosaur on a 5 minute timer. There’s absolutely no way a single person is going to be able to do that (I could probably kill it if I had to, but it would take at least twice that long). It’s like they looked at the worst skill points in the base game (those two near the exit of Malchor’s Leap that have champion enemies on top of them) and thought “yes, we need more of that, but even less fun”.

Think of people trying to get these points 6 months from now, or a year from now, when most of the players have moved on. Hero points have to be soloable, or new players and alts will be literally unable to unlock their elite specs.

Galen Grey.4709:

MrH.2591:

So much of the new content is gated behind massive amounts of grinding, it makes you wonder what we actually paid for. I really don’t know why they changed their game philosophy so drastically with HoT.

Or you know, its not them who changed their philospohy but us who changed the definition of grind.

Elite specs cost more hero points than all your other traits and skills combined, I’m pretty sure we’re not the problem here.

Levi M.7428:

Don’t let the people who want to whole game given to them at launch hate on you. HoT is awesome and has loads of content and something to work towards whatever that maybe. Some people just want to complain they have to do something for once. Then they want to complain there’s no content for the game.

People don’t “want everything given to them” (every single white knight says this, did someone give you all a script?), they want to play the new content with their elite specs. This isn’t a difficult concept to understand.

Go back to Dark Souls where you belong.

Hero points spawning champions, champions on timers at that, is just plain unacceptable.