Guild Wars 2

From the same ppl who said that guild challenges were giing to be impossible. Honestly with the class disparity I don’t think that 5% better gear matters. Also exo vs ascended is less then 1 dodge/miss away.

Best class in the game. Period.
Hoping Guardians are not getting that winged boot now ahah.

warherox.7943:

It’s the dragon, confirmed by Roy on twitter.

YES, that’s glorious

Bet the creation got disabled for the login rewards bug

Same here. Also reported via in game support

Is it normal that all my beta characters from BW1 are gone?

All my beta characters are gone. Is it a bug or intended?

http://imgur.com/a/8POV2

Please not the boot ç_ç

edit: thank Dwayna it’s the dragon.

I also want to see how often a druid can go in astral form. Out of it it’s not a bog deal on healing (it’s a cc monstrr however).

What frightens me is that the community is perceiving druid as “the only healer” or “the best healer”. This is not healthy for the game. Even if it’s not the only healer, what the community thinks is important.

I am more concerned about druid cc then heal. It seems way op, like jade winds with no energy cost.
The healing is strong only in cele form and we still have to see how often can you use it.
Plus it does almost 0 damage. Ventari rev can still help dps

Carighan.6758:

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

I would say that Rev has access to more wide range of support but honestly, Why WOULD you ever take rev over a druid for support roles?

Why would you ever take a Revenant for support roles?

I’ll do whatever role my group needs if I can. I’ve already prepared 4 armor and weapon sets, 1 for each legend (dps, tank, healer, condi dps). I’m also testing cleric Guardian in pvp with some friends (against Svanir) and it’s pretty strong. It only needs a cd reduction on some stuff imo, but can burst heal with long cds and do small sustained heal and boons. The elite signet may need a cast time reduction.

I’ll compare it and revenant with druid to see if they are viable

wow, went from 85k dps to 43k dps. Sooo weak.

Nah, could have been nerfed 75%. Sorry, thug life.

jgcd.6041:

Eh, I’ve always seen the Revenant as, like some have said, a jack of all trades, master of none class. It can do the various roles and do them well when properly optimized, but there are individual class specs which do the job better.

Guardian can currently do everything Revenant does, just differently.
Same for ele and probably engi.

GW2 is designed so that every class can fit multiple roles, so this “jack of all trades” is not something revenant-only.
Ranger itself is not only a druid.

Varezenem.2813:

What you linked is a ventari/glint build that isn’t maximazed for healing.

Wrong link, sorry:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQNAW5el8Ah2hY3QwTIQTEHLE1NA+yCAfBVQYmvv9LEA-TByGABAcRAwTJ4Q7PskyvX1EwmOhcfCAJq+TAAEgf7b8NfD8zf+zf+zf2xNuxNuxNOpA8bvF-e

Tempest has more sustained healing, more support via auras and boons and WAY MORE DAMAGE. Druid is virtually a sitting duck delegating the dps to the pet, and if you don’t go full cleric or full tank con the druid than you just have to give up to astral form and waste half of the spec.

Druid has a lot of cc and burst heal, but it’s not mandatory. Cleric Guardian/Revenant has more sustained heal and boons, and I’m sure that over a long fight actually heals more. Actually Guardian probably has more burst heal since has a signet to fully heal a whole group from 1hp to 40k.

Tempest with water traits and aura sharing has a lot of water fields, heal, regen, boons, auras, and does decent damage with great mobility. Sure, has less easy to access bust heal, but the heal is there, just more skill barrier.

Thug Life https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=fK1N_vqJPac

gannondorf.7628:

Carighan.6758:

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

I would say that Rev has access to more wide range of support but honestly, Why WOULD you ever take rev over a druid for support roles?

Why would you ever take a Revenant for support roles?

Yes that’s it. Revenant are supposed to be versatile so they can’t be the best in healing. They’re just gona be complement for druid.

Druid is not only Druid. It’s also Ranger with zergkilling traps, greatsword, longbow and so on.
Ranger is almost as versatile as Revenant.

Gaaroth.2567:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Druid is more about burst healing in key moments as it takes a while to build up astral force to enter celestial avatar, Ventari is more about sustain healing.

Well druid staff has pretty high sustained healing/support it seems.
I’d like to see a little love to ventari#6, make it istant (so teleporting, healing on arrival, not while walking) increase a bit the healing, decrese cost to 5energy or a combination of those.
The elite too could use some tweakes but overall i feel is the #6 that needs it most.
Thoughts?

I partially agree. Tablet needs autosummon on Ventari swap (now swap has cd also ooc, so why not?) and #6 has to be instant cast. I like the effect on the line however instead of landing, but it needs something to visually alert allied that they can get healed if they do not move away.
Otherwise yeah, it’s better to just instant teleport it and heal on landing, or make it travel way faster/extend the radius of the heal.

Is Ventari even able to compete with this? (spoiler: that’s a Guardian build, not Druid)
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQNAW5el8Ah2hY3QwTIQTEHLE1NA+yCAfBVQYmvv9LEA-TByGABAcRAwTJ4Q7PskyvX1EwmOhcfCAJq+TAAEgf7b8NfD8zf+zf+zf2xNuxNuxNOpA8bvF-e
edit: pasted the wrong link

This thing has over 4k passive heal every 10 seconds, 6k, 3k, 3k, 2k, 2k active heals, also heals on symbols and many attacks (a 2k heal every 3 seconds), instant raise and full party heal (that can be a 20k aoe heal).

This without astral shroud, moving tablets around and whatever. Passive sustained heal and active burst.
Also might, burning, retaliation, aegis , regen, fury.

Is Ventari better then this? Is even Druid better then this?

The active heal is huge, but just look at the passive heal via traits, virtues, signet and aegis. Also no need for allies to go around and grab orbs or tablet fragments.

That CC is stupidly strong. 5s cd? Lol.
It’s Jade Winds without the 50 energy cost. It’s going to destroy things in pvp and wvw

Ranger has access to aoe might, vigor, burning chance and regen with utility skills and pets. Also aoe taunt.

I agree, that cc is stupidly strong. Jade winds with no energy cost.

Wuselknusel.4082:

Kidel.2057:

Also it has a lot of sinergy with pets and spirits.

What? Synergy? Where?

You heal your pet and your pet does full damage even if you are in cleric gear

mtpelion.4562:

Kidel.2057:

were people really expect something called “druid” to be dps oriented?

Couldn’t you simply research what druids are in gw lore?

And by the way, Druid is 10000 times more awesome then I imagined. Can’t wait for the sound effects.

And dude, you can have pet wyverns, come on.

No, we expected there to be good news for Rangers. This is basically a new class that the current Rangers didn’t want/need.

So you get a new class for free. Don’t see a problem-
Also it has a lot of sinergy with pets and spirits.

And by the way you got more then 5 new pets (from my data mine there are going to be way more). That’s a huge buff to existing ranger. And the dev already said rangers are going to be polished, as base class.

You’re simply too focused on the healer spec to see the rest. Rangers got the best news among every other class. Guardian is the new ranger.

I know they’re not the only healers, that’s my whole point. I don’t want other healers to disappear.

Also I already posted in the merged thread that druids don’t have much condi cleanse (except via trait, but it maybe has icd) and have almost 0 boons.

However if their heal is too strong, they have the potential to make other clerics useless and become mandatory (like 1 druid and all zerker, just an example of course, rip zerker).

I don’t think that’s what they want: https://twitter.com/RoyCronacher/status/647505334089576448
They don’t want it to be “better”, but just different. Spike vs sustain, raw heal vs utility and boons.

Plus Colin said multiple times that they don’t want situations like “we need a XXX, kick the YYY”, or “we need XXX, so we have to wait” to happen. They want all classes to be able to spec into more then 1 role.

So if Rangers are mandatory than it’s bad. Also for rangers, because they’ll always going to be forced to play druids if no other class can replace them.

were people really expect something called “druid” to be dps oriented?

Couldn’t you simply research what druids are in gw lore?

And by the way, Druid is 10000 times more awesome then I imagined. Can’t wait for the sound effects.

And dude, you can have pet wyverns, come on.

If Druid healing is too strong, is healing on other classes going to be buffed too? Don’t misunderstand me, I don’t know if it’s really too strong and I’m not saying it’a a bad thing. I like that the berserker meta is going to die and more diversity is coming. I like healer builds and I like Druid.

What would be bad is if Druids are going to be mandatory for raids. I’d like other professions to be able to replace Druids. I don’t want to log on my Ranger because the party needs the strongest healer.

I don’t mind Druid being too strong as healer. It’s an healer elite spec after all.
But I’d like Ventari Rev to be able to replace it, or cleric Guardians, or Water Eles. Are those going to disappear because of Druid?

Thz.7569:

Kailee.8790:

We asked to be in the meta…

What they gave us
“Come with us, sit in the corner over there, do your healing healing crap and we will let you know when you can leave. Oh and face the corner, and wear this dunce cap”

How did you get that from the livestream? What I saw was some good damage with a lot of support utility.

Told you a long time ago thatDruid was going to be a supporter. It’s colled “druid” for a reason.

aside from that, I actually really like it. And yeah, you asked to be in the meta, and this will be in the expansion meta.

My main concern right now is that Druid can be so powerful to be mandatory. I don’t want that. I want it to be possible to replace by using Ventari or Guardian or Ele.

FLiP.7680:

I wanted a shapeshift form

So… Norn racial skills? Druids in GW lore are NOT shapeshifters. It would have been a great mistakes.
Norn warriors are shapeshifters, almost all of them if you have read the books.

I think current cleric builds (Guardian, Elementalist, Revenant Ventari+Glint) are actually going to be just as useful as Druid. Remember that while Druid does great healing, it basically gives almost 0 boons and does very low damage compared to the other clerics (while it actually does huge CC). Guardian gives aegis, protection, reflects, regen, a lot of burning. Elementalist can do the world, plus give auras. Revenant gives perma protection and regen, or perma fury and might, also a very long projectile absorb and will do probably more damage and do stuff on demand since has no cd on Ventari skills. So yeah, I don’t really see Druid so OP, on PAPER at least. I’ll wait for the BW3 to test it out and compare it to other clerics. I’m sure thay don’t want Druid to be REQUIRED in raids.

What it sure does better then ANY other cleric is BURST heal. If it becomes something necessary in raids, I’m sure they’ll buff other clerics or nerf Druid.

And I agree, Ranger does a lot fo condi dps with traps and a pretty high ranged dps (condi or raw). But it requires very specific builds. You won’t be able to do that on Druid, never.
Elementalist, on the other hand, can heal as a Druid and still give auras, boons and do damage.
Guardian is similar to ele, and Revenant is basically Guardian with more raw healing and boons but no aegis.

Honestly I fail to see where Dragonhunters are going to be. They’re basically pet-less Rangers. Probably strong ranged condi dps, but I fail to see any unique role play.
As a main Guardian for 3 years, every other elite spec (and so class) seems WAY more interesting.

That’s my whole stack. Of course, including laurels and other currencies I already have on my account to buy the remaining Ascended accessories.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Hey all,

The Reflexive Hammers trait in retribution is going to be changed after BWE3, before launch. Right now since it uses projectiles that hover around you, they currently don’t work underwater and I think it no longer really fits the line as that is more about damage, plus it muddies the FXs around the character when the actual hammers are around you.

Soooooo…. I wanted to throw out an idea I had about a new GM trait for retribution to place it and see what you all think. The trait would be more dwarf stance focused since we don’t have a dwarf stance specific trait.

• It would give you some way to proc Rite of the Great Dwarf like at some percent health trigger or something and then make Rite of the Great Dwarf (both proc and the skill) have reduced condition damage taken as well while allies have the buff.

Let me know what you think.

I like the idea of making Rite of the Dwarf useful. To me the -20% condi duration/damage effect should be baseline for that skill, given the high energy use and the very low duration (sometimes I cast it and I don’t even get hit once, so it’s wasted most of the time).
I’m not against the proc on low health however, but Jalis needs some more love. Atm it’s not worth getting over Shiro, Mallyx, GLINT and not even Ventari.

Its main purpose is stability and condi cleanse in wvw. I think it needs something to become viable in pve over Shiro and Mallyx. Right now the road requires herald to be decent, the taunt should be more viable thanks to the energy cost reduction, the upkeep still has the “ground is not flat” problem and rite, while impressive on paper, is too short for 40 energy. While the cast time has been reduced, the skill is not instant, so it has to be used in advance, and not when you see an attack, risking to use it too early, so it’s already over when you need it.

All the other skills activated at low health are on something that gives blocks or invulnerability. Rite is not so strong at the moment.

Energy and cast time wise, Rite pales in comparison with Shield#5.
I won’t mind a cd, but an energy reduction or a duration increase (I’d prefer the latter).

However, we are seriously weak to conditions on power builds. Glint would love some condi cleanse.

EDIT: just noticed that this GM trait has not much sinergy with Glint Heal.

Rune of the pack is pretty much useless with Glint existing. Try Hoelbrak

Try this thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/revenant/Let-s-see-your-Revenants/first

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

Valkyrie gear… Rev already has perma ferocity uptime, do I need more from stats?

This sentence here makes no sense. Revenant has permanent Fury uptime, that gives you critical rate (so Precision, not Ferocity) and double compared to normal Fury (so +40%). This makes Valkyrie stats very useful on Revenant.

A full Berserker ascended Revenant with Sigil of Accuracy can reach up to 96% crit chance under Fury by himself, and 111% if a banner and a Ranger is around. Unfortunally we get no benefit from crit rate over 100%, so a combination of Berserker+Valkyrie is actually an optimal way of reaching max damage while adding some survivability.

I usually get up to 52% crit chance with Berserker, then I start using Valkyrie.
Or you can bet and get up to 45% with Berserker, then add Valkyrie. You even get more power with Sharpening Stones compared to full Berserker.

Luvok.5697:

Ele still has horrible survivability but not on-demand damage to justify it.

Low survivability? Guess again, Ele is immortal even in full zerk.

No damage? Sure, 65k dps on Ice Bow linecasting is sooo low. So low that even the strongest Guardian can only reach 15k dps when full buffed. And even without Ice Bow, Ele already has over 17k dps.

Maybe 1 month is not enough. Ele is not an easy class, but at the moment it’s the strongest in the game, by far. Even the other OP class, Mesmer, is not even close to Ele.

Hiki.9310:

DiogoSilva.7089:

I think elite specs are allowed to have new strengths as long as they bring new weaknesses as well (or come at the cost of old strengths).

For example, revenant has limited access to boons and out of combat mobility, while herald has perma swiftness and is entirely designed around boons.

It’s quite possible that we may get an anti-condi elite spec someday, which will eventually come at the cost of not picking Herald.

We already had one; It was called Mallyx and it was killed.

The condi management thing is better now on Mallyx, since we don’t have the self condis to care about. We just have less condi output, but it can be improved.

Oh and Crystal Hibernation has no point capture prevention anymore, as confirmed by Roy recently. Afterall it’s “just” a block+heal now.
And don’t touch my beloved Invigorating Flow please xD

Rym.1469:

Kidel.2057:

Rym.1469:

When using Ventari’s Will, there should be an UI line for the caster between the Tablet current location and Ground-targeted area.

This is actually a very good idea. I don’t know if they have the tech for it in their current script language, because every ground target skill is not a vector or a dinamic lenght object, but a normal png. Am I wrong?

I have no idea about the tech side of it.

But I’d add that once Tablet is commanded to move, that green line could also appear for your allies, so they can know where to stand.

That’s even better.
I was talking with my guildmates the other day about the best type of buffing skill, if something like shout or something like banner/timewarp (regardless of effect and cooldown). We all agreed that pulsing ones in an area are better if you can see the area where the buff is applied. When I use shouts with my guardian (and I’m not on TS or stacking) sometimes I’m only able to apply boons to half of the group, while timewarp once placed allows far allies to move in and get part of it.

On a side not to your review, I’d add a few words about vengeful hammers destroyed on bridges, slopes, where the ground is not flat, near rocks and so on.

And about facet of chaos 2nd, I understand the frame drop, but I hope it gets fixed via some scaling options instead of a plain effect refactor. I actually love that visual. Best looking skill in the game.

nerf ice bow
/15chars

Yeah, the quartz is the problem. Only 1 each day.

warherox.7943:

Kidel.2057:

warherox.7943:

Kidel.2057:

Is this food enough? I don’t want to spend too much since we are getting 100 more levels on cook

Not enough!

oh, right, the crystals, thanks. I don’t really plan on using condi on Revenant, took the food just in case.

Those particular crystals are the Furious ones that give +100 Healing Power.

I wanted to make them, but they look expensive, right?
Not really a money problem (around 6.4g to make 50), but it takes 10 charged quartz to make 50. Still saving them for sinister gear.

Rym.1469:

When using Ventari’s Will, there should be an UI line for the caster between the Tablet current location and Ground-targeted area.

This is actually a very good idea. I don’t know if they have the tech for it in their current script language, because every ground target skill is not a vector or a dinamic lenght object, but a normal png. Am I wrong?

Nice videos, thanks!
Are you planning to test the new Ventari?

warherox.7943:

Kidel.2057:

Is this food enough? I don’t want to spend too much since we are getting 100 more levels on cook

Not enough!

oh, right, the crystals, thanks. I don’t really plan on using condi on Revenant, took the food just in case.

KronosBaelfire.6289:

Also getting makeover kits and name change tickets. He’s getting the main toon name! Can’t wait! \o/

I took the hard way on that: finding a new main name o_o
Took me ages. Honestly.
I already have a lv1 character with that name taken (just in case), so I’ll just delete it before making the Revenant.

caerulean.4837:

To be honest watching the POI for the Scrapper and seeing some of the things they were given specifically because engineers are weak to conditions, felt like a blow to the Revenant. Conditions are supposed to be this class’ big weakness, but other classes apparently weak to conditions seem to be a lot better off than the Revenant.

I agree with that, but also since basically EVERY class has aoe condi cleanse on power builds, I don’t see really a problem, at least in pve and wvw group play. Could be in pvp or in solo.

However I agree. At this point it doesn’t really make any sense that Revenant only has coni cleanse on Jalis and Ventari, also given that Jalis is probably our worst legend so far (it’s not “bad”, but every other legend is way better, even Ventari with the upcoming changes).

Is this food enough? I don’t want to spend too much since we are getting 100 more levels on cook

Sagat.3285:

Pretty sure it’s next to the line’s icon.

ok, but then the other elite specs have a redundant trait. Again, not complaining, of course. I’m just curious.

Usually the first minor trait in an elite spec is like “gain access to Hammer and Gyro skills”, while with Scrapper it’s a normal trait (gain access to function gyro).

Of course this is not a complain about “being op” (it makes no difference), but just a mismatch in the tooltips.

Am I wrong?

Well, old Ventari? Probably. New Ventari? I don’t know. With insta cast on many abilities the mobility is way better now.

originally they had a pretty high dps. Tested on golems in pvp it was like having Impossible Odds.
Now they’re much weaker yeah.