Guild Wars 2

I see Agg are back in SoS now, would like to run with you guys on your visit and learn a couple of new tricks.

Lol can anyone actually answer this without letting there Ego get the better of them?

To answer your question probably FA.

Sea of Sorrows’s Oceanci presence could be arguably the second strongest out of any server, we have yet to face BG yet. The most accurate description of raw oceanic strength is on reset and the night following when not everything is upgraded and have t3 upgrades in which SoS still have lead ppt even in the SoR and TC matchup.

We have many militia during the oceanic slot and 2 main guilds which do active WvW during the slot and have open recruitment.

TS we field roughly 25-40 and AoA which fields between 15-25, the rest of our force is made up of predominantly militia.

depends on what you’re looking for,
i could probably recommend OCX i remember running with them way back, they had a similar culture to TS and were quite laid back.

Shrouded.6450:

Would you really have us stay here? TC is growing and that’s something we can’t control, I don’t want to be in T1, but I don’t wanna be that guy picking on smaller tiers. Trust me on this one, our core would rather be the underdog again…

But it’s random matches, say if you guys miracilously break the t1 triumvirate then who’s to say you won’t continue to face lower tiers like what’s happening in the EU side.

Usagi.4835:

Le Rooster.8715:

A question to some Tc’ers, you guys obviously outnumber all of us right. So why do you insist on recruiting new guilds constantly?

Sorry lol but you have no idea what you’re talking about (mostly because you’re not even on TC). Nobody is recruiting so go away.

I think i do, i’ve been in TC before and have scouted TC many a times following so i’ve been following the trend TC has been following. What started from a honey badger community focused not caring about the ppt militia focus server has turned into a generic t1 power hungry server. I’m sure many of the TC vets have taken note to the changes.

Also in the past 2 weeks, TC has recruited 2 new NA guilds.

Waffler.1257:

Chris.3290:

Everyone not in this match is just having a lot of popcorn reading about all this BP-EB hate while CD is stomping you both.

CD and SoS talk a lot of trash when we fight each other, but we root for them when they aren’t facing us LOL

I think it’s just you. I am promoting you to official CD Cheerleader, wear your title proudly.

Hey it’s Eeyore! What’s going on man long time yeah?

PredatoR.5247:

you guys should stop worrying about playing for points, it is pointless with ANET’s new system. Play in open field, tone up your skills. We will be returning very soon to see the overall progress.

this worries me

Kingzook.1620:

The thing the seperates the Tier 1 guilds from the Teir 2 guilds is quite simply the level of skill the guilds have.

TC, you have the numbers, it just that you guys would not be able to deal with the talent and skill of the guilds that the tier 1 servers house. That opinion may hurt peoples feelings but it is what i believe.

That and the simple fact that you would not have upgraded towers to defend when NA prime times begins, your strongest timezone.

After being wipe by BT, AGG, TW, and so on, the morale of the server would plummet and the fair-weathers would go into hiding, then you could complain about being outmanned. But as you stand now, you have the population of a tier 1 server

Not nescsarily well defninitely not for the oceanic side, when Awe from TC went to t1 for that one week they demolished all othe t1 guilds at GvG, and when we were fighting many of those guilds in open field we were beating them aswell.

electriette.8952:

Le Rooster.8715:

Shrouded.6450:

Nothing to do with you guys really. I’m thinking we’re slowly prepping to get stomped in t1 and trust me T1 is a lot bigger than us.

so what if you’re a little bit outnumbered in t1, doesn’t mean you have to imbalance yourself for everything else.

A… little bit?

JQ greatly surpasses us in numbers, and they are the t1 server with arguably the most coverage issues. A ‘little bit’ is a gross understatement.

JQ are outmanned on 2 bl’s NA primetime, TC have queues on all 4 bl’s during NA primetime

Shrouded.6450:

Nothing to do with you guys really. I’m thinking we’re slowly prepping to get stomped in t1 and trust me T1 is a lot bigger than us.

so what if you’re a little bit outnumbered in t1, doesn’t mean you have to imbalance yourself for everything else.

A question to some Tc’ers, you guys obviously outnumber all of us right. So why do you insist on recruiting new guilds constantly?

Well with Sea of Sorrows we may not have those massive guilds, but we have many coordinated guilds working togethor to come as one through the public teamspeak we have, currently our oceanic population is one of the strongest in all of the servers while our NA population is quite lackluster. For this reason many of our NA guilds have adapted to working togethor with the militia to achieve success.

Currently some of our decent sized NA and Oceanic guilds are
Na:
Fang
FaTe
Bane
SoV

and some of our larger and decent sized oceanic guilds are

TS
AoA

Ofcourse this doesn’t include many more smaller guilds which specialize in small ops and working togethor with each other and the militia to form larger parties.

i will get in touch with you soon to ask more of what you’re looking for and see if SoS would be right for you.

try any server which reguaraly fights t3-t6 etc don’t go t1 it’s horrible or even t2 too many zergs.

Jinks.2057:

JakobGW.5730:

Hadan.2841:

Your just trying to get ebay and BP to clash more so CD can sit back and enjoy first place.

How many folks from CD do you think actually give a kitten about 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place? How many from CD do you think actually give a kitten about PPT?

I can’t speak for the entire server nor would I even pretend I could, but every person I fight with on CD doesn’t care what tier we’re in, who our enemies are, or what place we’re in. We care about fights, whether it be over some building (a tower or keep) or in the open field. We care about improving our game and doing the very best we can even when we’re outnumbered, which tends to happen a bunch lately with our luck in match-ups.

We do not “sit back” and enjoy first place. I can almost guarantee you that if BP and Ebay want to double team CD, no one on CD would give a kitten. It would only make us better.

So go for it, if 1st place is so important to you.

Tell your PvDer’s to leave the server then. Go join T1/2 servers who pay for their services

Cause lemme tell ya this statement right here means crap specially coming from a known off hour coverage server.

Ebay once had the beginnings of off hour coverage and ya know what? I’m glad they kittening left the server. Most players during that time zone are the biggest fair weather-bandwagoning people i’ve ever seen in a video game.

Keep it like we Ebayers NA or bust….sure we got a few off hour die hards, but they know they the true underdogs of this game though. Not much to be done about it really.

MURIIIICA!

CHIPS.6018:

Chris.3290:

ko killer.3692:

Oh please, the amount of times my 5 man groups have had to deal with this same issue from TC and FA is unreal.

Yeah, I was actually laughing when TC sent 30+ people to take out 5 of your guys with a cata outside Klovan. They zerg so hard that I wonder if they ever can click anything other than the #1 skill all week long.

I was laughing the whole time I ran away then got ran over by one of the few FA zergs who dared take a TC camp.

I feel bad for high tier players that are “stuck” on a low tier server. They just gets bitter and becomes a forum warrior. So sad to see.

Bandwagon more.

great choice in kaineng

jul.7602:

Le Rooster.8715:

jul.7602:

Gellor.6497:

Le Rooster.8715:

jul.7602:

JPSnow.8296:

jul.7602:

Serjical.9613:

Hey all,

I’m looking for a new server for myself and guildmates. We’re a WvW focused guild and looking for a server with a good wvw presence and has oceanic/asian timezone coverage(Tired of losing everything overnight).

We play during NA primetime 4-12pm central, So we’d like to find a home in which we’d help make a difference and not just add to a zergfest. Currently during our wvw nights we bring 30+ members and on our off days we’re usually 15+

Reasons for us wanting to leave current server.
- Server is full of 1-4man PVE guilds who make up a completely unorganized zerg.(We’re one of maybe 2 guilds who are WvW focused who bring 30+)
- Server has a very negative attitude which believes you can’t win unless you outnumber the enemy. (Our guild thrives on fighting superior numbers)
- Current group of commanders in wvw are karma farmers who don’t care about wvw score(It’s a PVE server), So they happily trade T3 assets for paper assets.

If you think your server fits the description let me know via reply/message.

So from what I understand.

Your an NA guild looking for a server you can make a difference in (a server with small a NA crew) but you don’t want to get your stuff flipped overnight (good coverage eliminates servers below bracket 2) and you don’t want to always run in a zerg (eliminates t1 servers, TC still questionable).

Possible servers
SOR=- Too many zergs, Heavy NA, stacked
JQ=- Too many zergs, Large NA, stacked
BG=- Too many zergs, Large NA, stacked
TC=- Many zergs, good NA, kind of stacked. + good coverage
DB= +/- Some zergs depending which prime and guild raid schedules. +developing NA + great coverage
FA= – Little to no coverage, good na
EB= No coverage +not many zergs
SoS=- lacks coverage (has an ok oceanic) + Not many zergs.
Mag=no coverage
KN=little to no coverage
CD=No coverage
Yaks=^
SBI=^
BP=^
DH=^
NS=^
GoM=^
IoJ=^
HoD=^
AR=^
DR=^
SF=^
FG=^
ET=^

Anvil Rock 118
Blackgate 250
Borlis Pass 139
Crystal Desert 219
NA Darkhaven 165
NA Devona’s Rest 85
NA Dragonbrand 236
NA Ehmry Bay 178
NA Eredon Terrace 83
NA Ferguson’s Crossing 102
NA Fort Aspenwood 222
NA Gate of Madness 196
NA Henge of Denravi 134
NA Isle of Janthir 218
NA Jade Quarry 248
NA Kaineng 94
NA Maguuma 158
NA Northern Shiverpeaks 172
NA Sanctum of Rall 211
NA Sea of Sorrows 207
NA Sorrow’s Furnace 181
NA Stormbluff Isle 187
NA Tarnished Coast 351
NA Yak’s Bend

DragonBrand would fit your criteria well.

Lol fa little to no coverage. Yes you won last week but we’ve beaten you guys a few times. So far this reset we have been over 300 ppt most of the day and over 400 at night.

The only reason you beat DB was because TC focused their entire server on DB and limited our points. This is clearly proven by our last couple of matches where you lost by 100K+ points. FA is fighting smaller servers that don’t have much or any coverage at all, so your second point is invalid.

@SoS
If SoS oceanic was that good, they wouldn’t end up losing most of their stuff during oceanic primetime. The only time this doesn’t occur is when SoS is against a server with no coverage at all.

orly?

That was from what 5/6 months ago

Even worse was that DB actually game back and won that match.

Okay cool, i don’t understand your point. You are so desperately trying to recruit that you feel the need to bring down other servers to show DB’s superiority, just focus on showing what DB is about and see if the guild likes it don’t feel the need to bring down other servers.

Why is it all the guild recruitment threads end up in DB trolling.

I simply exposed your blatant lie, bringing down your server was just a side effect which doesn’t bother me at all, it’s none of my concern. The way you hastily used phony evidence to assert something in order to curry favor clearly shows your desperation and lack of clarity.

I’m not desperate, just mindful of facts and critical of disinformation. I simply did a quick analysis of all the servers to narrow down which of them they would find suitable. The guild is looking for the truth, nothing else.

Lol? how did i lie, the picture is what actually happened i jsut replied with “orly?” with a picture showing us ticking wagonbrand to 0 ppt durign OCEANIC PERIOD where a couple of hours later DURING SEA PERIOD db would take it all back.

Anyyyyyways lets not sidetrack the thread anymore deal?

jul.7602:

Gellor.6497:

Le Rooster.8715:

jul.7602:

JPSnow.8296:

jul.7602:

Serjical.9613:

Hey all,

I’m looking for a new server for myself and guildmates. We’re a WvW focused guild and looking for a server with a good wvw presence and has oceanic/asian timezone coverage(Tired of losing everything overnight).

We play during NA primetime 4-12pm central, So we’d like to find a home in which we’d help make a difference and not just add to a zergfest. Currently during our wvw nights we bring 30+ members and on our off days we’re usually 15+

Reasons for us wanting to leave current server.
- Server is full of 1-4man PVE guilds who make up a completely unorganized zerg.(We’re one of maybe 2 guilds who are WvW focused who bring 30+)
- Server has a very negative attitude which believes you can’t win unless you outnumber the enemy. (Our guild thrives on fighting superior numbers)
- Current group of commanders in wvw are karma farmers who don’t care about wvw score(It’s a PVE server), So they happily trade T3 assets for paper assets.

If you think your server fits the description let me know via reply/message.

So from what I understand.

Your an NA guild looking for a server you can make a difference in (a server with small a NA crew) but you don’t want to get your stuff flipped overnight (good coverage eliminates servers below bracket 2) and you don’t want to always run in a zerg (eliminates t1 servers, TC still questionable).

Possible servers
SOR=- Too many zergs, Heavy NA, stacked
JQ=- Too many zergs, Large NA, stacked
BG=- Too many zergs, Large NA, stacked
TC=- Many zergs, good NA, kind of stacked. + good coverage
DB= +/- Some zergs depending which prime and guild raid schedules. +developing NA + great coverage
FA= – Little to no coverage, good na
EB= No coverage +not many zergs
SoS=- lacks coverage (has an ok oceanic) + Not many zergs.
Mag=no coverage
KN=little to no coverage
CD=No coverage
Yaks=^
SBI=^
BP=^
DH=^
NS=^
GoM=^
IoJ=^
HoD=^
AR=^
DR=^
SF=^
FG=^
ET=^

Anvil Rock 118
Blackgate 250
Borlis Pass 139
Crystal Desert 219
NA Darkhaven 165
NA Devona’s Rest 85
NA Dragonbrand 236
NA Ehmry Bay 178
NA Eredon Terrace 83
NA Ferguson’s Crossing 102
NA Fort Aspenwood 222
NA Gate of Madness 196
NA Henge of Denravi 134
NA Isle of Janthir 218
NA Jade Quarry 248
NA Kaineng 94
NA Maguuma 158
NA Northern Shiverpeaks 172
NA Sanctum of Rall 211
NA Sea of Sorrows 207
NA Sorrow’s Furnace 181
NA Stormbluff Isle 187
NA Tarnished Coast 351
NA Yak’s Bend

DragonBrand would fit your criteria well.

Lol fa little to no coverage. Yes you won last week but we’ve beaten you guys a few times. So far this reset we have been over 300 ppt most of the day and over 400 at night.

The only reason you beat DB was because TC focused their entire server on DB and limited our points. This is clearly proven by our last couple of matches where you lost by 100K+ points. FA is fighting smaller servers that don’t have much or any coverage at all, so your second point is invalid.

@SoS
If SoS oceanic was that good, they wouldn’t end up losing most of their stuff during oceanic primetime. The only time this doesn’t occur is when SoS is against a server with no coverage at all.

orly?

That was from what 5/6 months ago

Even worse was that DB actually game back and won that match.

Okay cool, i don’t understand your point. You are so desperately trying to recruit that you feel the need to bring down other servers to show DB’s superiority, just focus on showing what DB is about and see if the guild likes it don’t feel the need to bring down other servers.

Why is it all the guild recruitment threads end up in DB trolling.

jul.7602:

JPSnow.8296:

jul.7602:

Serjical.9613:

Hey all,

I’m looking for a new server for myself and guildmates. We’re a WvW focused guild and looking for a server with a good wvw presence and has oceanic/asian timezone coverage(Tired of losing everything overnight).

We play during NA primetime 4-12pm central, So we’d like to find a home in which we’d help make a difference and not just add to a zergfest. Currently during our wvw nights we bring 30+ members and on our off days we’re usually 15+

Reasons for us wanting to leave current server.
- Server is full of 1-4man PVE guilds who make up a completely unorganized zerg.(We’re one of maybe 2 guilds who are WvW focused who bring 30+)
- Server has a very negative attitude which believes you can’t win unless you outnumber the enemy. (Our guild thrives on fighting superior numbers)
- Current group of commanders in wvw are karma farmers who don’t care about wvw score(It’s a PVE server), So they happily trade T3 assets for paper assets.

If you think your server fits the description let me know via reply/message.

So from what I understand.

Your an NA guild looking for a server you can make a difference in (a server with small a NA crew) but you don’t want to get your stuff flipped overnight (good coverage eliminates servers below bracket 2) and you don’t want to always run in a zerg (eliminates t1 servers, TC still questionable).

Possible servers
SOR=- Too many zergs, Heavy NA, stacked
JQ=- Too many zergs, Large NA, stacked
BG=- Too many zergs, Large NA, stacked
TC=- Many zergs, good NA, kind of stacked. + good coverage
DB= +/- Some zergs depending which prime and guild raid schedules. +developing NA + great coverage
FA= – Little to no coverage, good na
EB= No coverage +not many zergs
SoS=- lacks coverage (has an ok oceanic) + Not many zergs.
Mag=no coverage
KN=little to no coverage
CD=No coverage
Yaks=^
SBI=^
BP=^
DH=^
NS=^
GoM=^
IoJ=^
HoD=^
AR=^
DR=^
SF=^
FG=^
ET=^

Anvil Rock 118
Blackgate 250
Borlis Pass 139
Crystal Desert 219
NA Darkhaven 165
NA Devona’s Rest 85
NA Dragonbrand 236
NA Ehmry Bay 178
NA Eredon Terrace 83
NA Ferguson’s Crossing 102
NA Fort Aspenwood 222
NA Gate of Madness 196
NA Henge of Denravi 134
NA Isle of Janthir 218
NA Jade Quarry 248
NA Kaineng 94
NA Maguuma 158
NA Northern Shiverpeaks 172
NA Sanctum of Rall 211
NA Sea of Sorrows 207
NA Sorrow’s Furnace 181
NA Stormbluff Isle 187
NA Tarnished Coast 351
NA Yak’s Bend

DragonBrand would fit your criteria well.

Lol fa little to no coverage. Yes you won last week but we’ve beaten you guys a few times. So far this reset we have been over 300 ppt most of the day and over 400 at night.

The only reason you beat DB was because TC focused their entire server on DB and limited our points. This is clearly proven by our last couple of matches where you lost by 100K+ points. FA is fighting smaller servers that don’t have much or any coverage at all, so your second point is invalid.

@SoS
If SoS oceanic was that good, they wouldn’t end up losing most of their stuff during oceanic primetime. The only time this doesn’t occur is when SoS is against a server with no coverage at all.

orly?

what i think would be great and relatively fair

-BG vs SoR vs TC
-JQ vs DB vs FA
-SoS vs Maguuma vs Ebay
-CD vs YB vs BP

would love to see those matchups

Based on everything you said i can recommend two servers to you.

Sea of Sorrows-Strong militia presence, very resilient, very strong oceanic, decent SEA, weak NA, very friendly and relaxed enviroment with a strong community focus on many of the guilds that are here.

Fort Aspenwood-Strong guild presence, lower militia presence, strong NA, Strong Oceanic, decent SEA, more organized then SoS.

Quenta.2978:

That South Camp fight against FEAR, KISS and HL was intense, just uploaded the fight. Was one of the most memorable fights I have in this game so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqZ_XYRcNzQ

*off to vacation now ;-)

I watched that, that was insane man how did your computer like not lag at all if that was my computer it would have broken in half during that fight lol.

Azure Prower.8701:

Darn. What ever happened to Tarnished Coast? They used to be cool until all these non-RPer wannabes band wagoned to their server.

Maguuma has always been bad.

I actually find Magswags wit and humor very entertaining, much respect.

phaneo.4597:

Night Hawk Ix.7360:

phaneo.4597:

Night Hawk Ix.7360:

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

Dear Seren,

We appreciate you letting us know about this and we on TC will petition ANet to ensure that SoS never has to face TC again.

Instead SoS will only be put into matches with SoR, BG, and JQ so that you are wiped and laughed at by 80-man zergs all the time as requested.

TC petition? Its for over 18s only and your bad trolling, comments show your only 12.

You’re or You are and not your just like how it is would have and not would of. You must check out urbandictionary.com for these terminologies.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=your

English isn’t even my primary language.

MOM!?

How long have you been playing LagWars2 for?

If you’re gonna call someone a 12 year old, better not sound like someone who’s 7 or someone like this:

4. your

1. The posessive form of the word “you.”

USAGE PROBLEM:
Commonly confused in usage with the word “you’re,” which is a contraction of the words “you are.”
If you misuse the word “your,” everyone will know that you’re a kittening kittentard.

your level of intelligence exceeds even Isaac Newton’s.

phaneo.4597:

Night Hawk Ix.7360:

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

Dear Seren,

We appreciate you letting us know about this and we on TC will petition ANet to ensure that SoS never has to face TC again.

Instead SoS will only be put into matches with SoR, BG, and JQ so that you are wiped and laughed at by 80-man zergs all the time as requested.

TC petition? Its for over 18s only and your bad trolling, comments show your only 12.

You’re or You are and not your just like how it is would have and not would of. You must check out urbandictionary.com for these terminologies.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=your

English isn’t even my primary language.

Oh MY GOD you are soooo smart!

A question what tier range are you looking at?

Wow what happened to the happy go lucky, cheery o TC so trolly lately sheesh.

the system is only broken for ranks 1-5 think about that for a second.

Those 3 way fights at bay tonight were craaaazyyy, i know as a commander i have alot to improve on but congratz maguuma on that hard earned victory.

Also i’d like to think those scenario’s as the quintessential scenario for what WvW should be and is intended to be, prolonged siege and epic three way stalemates.

Jeydra.4386:

Reply to NotInTheFace

I’m not saying grouping up is bad. It certainly has its purposes. But there’s a time to group up and a time to split up. You group up when you need to fight another zerg, when there’s a key point you need to defend (like SM), when you’re assaulting a Keep, etc. But using an 80-man zerg to cap supply camps is silly. Sure the 80-man zerg can blow down the guards defending a supply camp in a second, but they still take the same amount of time to actually flip it as a 5-man team, and (more importantly) they can only cap one camp at a time. The 80-man zerg still needs to take camps of course, but they should only do that in between taking towers and keeps – which they should have as their priority.

In the example you gave, TC certainly didn’t play very well because after the entire episode SoS ended up with more points than they did. But try to figure out what TC did wrong. I’ll tell you what I think: they tried to fight your zerg after the first couple of battles indicated they can’t win an open fight. That means they have two options:

1) Split up and outmaneuver your zerg. In a map with only supply camps, your 30-man zerg (I find it hard to believe than a 30-man zerg loses to a 20-man zerg in open combat) will be easily outcapped by 6 5-man zergs. With towers and keeps, they can still split two 5-man teams to flip camps, kill yaks and intercept any players heading towards your zerg while leaving a 20-man zerg to cap towers almost as fast as your zerg can. This does mean that their 20-man zerg has to avoid a confrontation with your 30-man zerg, but with good scouting it can be done.
2) Start defending their towers instead of fight on open ground. Siege weapons allow 10 players to hold off 30 for a long time.

In this case it sounds like TC had two zergs on the map, which opens up a third possibility:

3) Evade your zerg while keeping tabs on your location, while yelling at the other zerg to come help.

By getting wiped three times, TC was outplayed (more accurately, outcommandered). When we played against SoR a few weeks ago, they did #1 very well. We had a big zerg, they had all-thief gank squads that constantly kept us on the back foot, and the map was mostly theirs even if they probably had fewer numbers.

In the scenario at Mendon’s, 2 ACs would’ve been enough to defend it because DB had no siege. At the very least getting into Mendon’s would’ve forced them to drop their siege weapons.

tl; dr – there’s a time to split up and a time to group up. If you group up all the time, you will lose an equal numbers game against a server that both splits up and groups up (in fact I strongly suspect you’ll lose even if you had greater numbers).

From what I can see, TC has sufficiently large a numbers advantage that they’re going to win even with the best of commanders for SoS, but they don’t have to win by such a large margin. If you want me to tag up, send me 100g, and preferably a couple of hundred of each siege blueprint.

But then what is WvW about, if you focus too much about the score you cause burnout. There are times when all we do is look for open field fights because it’s fun and CERN (mostly) always teaches us a good lesson on how to be better at open field.

if everybody had the same philosophy as you when it came to WvW trust me our score would be much lower as everybody would have given up at the instant sight of Tarnished Coast knowing that we had lost.

I’d also like to add we’ve done very well so far this week we have a 80k point deficit atm from Tarnished Coast and we still have minimal WvW guilds, i’d say we’re doing quite well.

reduce cap by 25% and merge Euro and NA servers.

CHIPS.6018:

Dark Aidget.3879:

Just to be clear, GOAT left a server that is not only continually winning, but growing by the week. We didn’t move because we finally wanted to win, we moved because we wanted to contribute. We wanted a server that values skill over numbers and the needs of the server over the egos of a few. We aren’t huge—we rolled 23 at reset—but we are enthusiastic and felt that Maguuma fit our play style and could absorb our small guild into their server without any issues. We’re keeping a low profile while we figure out our place in the established order. To bash Maguuma because GOAT transferred is just silly. We’re still trying to learn the jargon.

Tiers mean nothing anymore. There will be no meteoric bandwagon rise, like Kaineng’s, in the future. Crying ‘bandwagon’ just makes you sound quaint. Expect a lot of volatility over the next week as guilds find their fit. People will shift to where they are having the most fun. Leaving a winning server because the way they won just wasn’t fun made sense to us.

No offense, but the only way you can be considered a “non-bandwagon transfer” is if you transfer to a lower ranked server. BP is ranked 13 while Mag is ranked 7. By going to Mag you guys increased your personal chances of winning, all other things being equal. Hence by definition you guys are, indeed, bandwagoning.

And if you look back, this conversation started when some dude from Maguuma have the nerve to accused me of bandwagoning. Yeah sure, as if Maguuma never got any bandwagoners. If you look at Maguuma’s history, you will know they also got a ton of transfers back then, just before the end of free transfers. Magumma is full of bandwagoners too.

If people want to call people like me a bandwagoner, they have to accept the fact that they themselves is playing alongside many other bandwagoners in their own server. Or they can man-up and force their bandwagoners to transfer out of their server, and pay for their transfer. There is no way around it.

If you guys want respect here, please do not post on forums like the rest of Maguuma. They love to use double standards and never show any respect for anyone. Maguuma is the #1 most hated server (on the forums) for good reasons.

HYPOCRIT!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeydra.4386:

Reply to NotInTheFace

If the commander was attacking Veloka (which I agree is more important to hold than Mendon’s) then why did he go to Mendon’s? If he had no supply (which is a perfectly valid reason not to help immediately), why didn’t he say so?

Also there are good reasons not to follow the commander. A good team raiding the other servers’ supply camps is an example. Hunting down dolyaks is another. And so on. There are things that are better done with a big zerg and others that are best done with only a few people. Also I’ll argue that me and the ~6 people who were in Mendon’s together made the right decision. I went to Mendon’s once the call went out on mapchat that there was a DB zerg attacking it. The commander either reacted slowly or chose to do something else first. The results are obvious: we got into Mendon’s and were in position to save it. The commander didn’t (or more accurately he did, but he got there late, and didn’t actually attempt to get into the tower).

SoS’s commanders aren’t inexperienced; I recognize many of the commanders and have seen them play for months. The problem is they’re subpar. I don’t want to name names, but some of the calls some commanders make just have no sense in them. A few more examples, I had one commander with a 50-man zerg wait 3 minutes outside a supply camp with RI. I had another commander yell for everyone to get on him and stack with the closest battle more than 20 seconds away. I followed his commands a couple of times, but once it became obvious he was wasting time I stopped. (This same commander’s idea of defending a tower against slightly superior numbers is to stack, rush out the portal, kill and get killed, rush back in, and stack again. If his zerg decreases in size, it’s his fault because he’s getting them killed.) I get the feeling that at least part of the reason people abandon the commander is because they have no faith in the commander’s calls. For example, I would switch maps or at least try to do something without the commander if the commander on whatever map I was in can’t be trusted. On the other hand if the commander is doing good work, I will travel across a hostile map to join his zerg. I play for the server, not to serve any individual commander.

PS: about SM I will choose to hold it. It’s more valuable than holding towers or keeps, and it’s not just because of points. Its location makes it especially strategic, and the simple fact that the server holds SM may entice players to join Eternal Battlegrounds. Difficult to hold, sure it is. Impossible though it is not, as TC are proving. The only complaint I have is how much gold (in the sense of upgrades and siege blueprints) has to be invested into holding SM. I envision WvW to be played for points, not to spend the least amount of gold. Presently many players are just abandoning towers and keeps on the grounds that they can’t be held. I would rather that not happen.

Then tag up why don’t ya?

Just to end the forum wars about how rightous which guilds were etc from the guilds which transfered off SoS in our way down from t1 AFS and Tsym were one of the few guilds which actually tried to make it work. in the end we couldn’t stabalize with them so they departed respectfully and we respect them for that.

just started reading this thread and TC it’s easy to claim you outskill your opponents when you outnumber them 5-1 and have t3 upgrades everywhere. Remember that matchup against SoR, we certainly do.

CHIPS.6018:

MikeB.3857:

Mike.4618:

Jeda.5209:

Yet another week facing Zerg Coast….
4 out of 5 weeks we are matchup with TC and now we got guilds maybe looking to leave due to these horrible matchups every week.

We haven’t had one decent matchup since these dumb random matches began.

We’ve actually lost 4 WvW guilds this past week due to this ridiculous charade.

The only thing this catastrophic failure of a system is achieving is forcing even more people onto a smaller and smaller group of servers (wvw people that is).

I’ve been on my server since release day and even I am thinking of moving to another server or quitting altogether =(

I’m sorry but I am at a complete loss to understand such incredible incompetence.

This times 10. My little guild is thinking of leaving too. It’s just bad. The sad thing is that I think this is what anet wanted. More pay to move. Cause you can’t be this bad at something in this day and age of mmos. This match making is horrendous.

Before RE and some of us in Dii moved to TC, we actually heavily considered SOS. We thought:

“SOS already collapsed, and it picking itself back up. It won’t collapse again. It should be stable. "

Little did we know.

I am glad we picked TC at the end. Our friends in BLINT wasn’t so lucky.

One of the reason why smaller server is un-attractive is because any of them might collapse any day. No matter how much people preach about the stability of their server, a smaller server is prone to collapse. I am sorry but that’s the truth.

Big servers will continue to get bigger. For example the EU guild KISS from AG recently moved to SOR, the “already” most EU stacked server on NA. They decided within one day, so I think its fair to say that guild knew exactly where they wanted to go right from the start.

All of this is from the way the WvW system is designed. I really hope Anet have some idea on how to fix this. Maybe a server merge or something.

SoS’s hiccup atm is not something about our community or whatever, most of the guilds that transfered off or have to transfer off don’t want to. Togethor we built a fantastic community it’s a shame that only one person can do so much harm.

I think this may have just hit the nail on the coffen in me quitting.

5 weeks of this crap seriously ANet seriously?

Archer.1658:

Le Rooster.8715:

Jinks.2057:

Slim.3208:

Archer.1658:

Slim.3208:

Amins.3710:

Common now SoS… did you really need to bring 30+ and 2 golems the second time around against us 8 people at SoSBL @ Bluelake, after being pushed out?

Isn’t that just overkill?

LOL, yw for that. We got an order for some pizza at bluelake SoS BL by some Ebay people, so we hopped into our golems and delivered it right to your lords room, but you guys ran away without even paying for them :/

Shoutout to Ranger Mich for coming up with that.

Edit: Oh sorry I forgot to mention, good fights with the GH guild from Ebay, I admired your spirit from the fights we had in the south of our bl

Read as

Since our skill level is low, we came up with a better way to win, bring more people.

You read things in a funny way o_O

O no its general consensus mate

What happened to the allmighty Ehmry Bay that could stand toe to toe with t1 servers during NA primetime?

What happened to the almighty Sea of Sorrows? Oh right, all the bandwagoners left to various servers, and now your left with a medicore at best oceanic presence.

Yeah the bandwagoners cried after we started losing and couldn’t take losing so they bandwagoned off to other servers, bash them all you want we’ll join you at it

Also i want to add this mediocre at best oceanic/general WvW population has been able to stand and get higher ppt then Sanctum of Rall the no.1 server. So we’re doing quite well for losing 95% of our WvW guilds.

Jinks.2057:

Slim.3208:

Archer.1658:

Slim.3208:

Amins.3710:

Common now SoS… did you really need to bring 30+ and 2 golems the second time around against us 8 people at SoSBL @ Bluelake, after being pushed out?

Isn’t that just overkill?

LOL, yw for that. We got an order for some pizza at bluelake SoS BL by some Ebay people, so we hopped into our golems and delivered it right to your lords room, but you guys ran away without even paying for them :/

Shoutout to Ranger Mich for coming up with that.

Edit: Oh sorry I forgot to mention, good fights with the GH guild from Ebay, I admired your spirit from the fights we had in the south of our bl

Read as

Since our skill level is low, we came up with a better way to win, bring more people.

You read things in a funny way o_O

O no its general consensus mate

What happened to the allmighty Ehmry Bay that could stand toe to toe with t1 servers during NA primetime?

Amins.3710:

Common now SoS… did you really need to bring 30+ and 2 golems the second time around against us 8 people at SoSBL @ Bluelake, after being pushed out?

Isn’t that just overkill?

you guys said we don’t defend well enough, this is our answer.

PenguiNet.3420:

fishball.7204:

So when ebay loses their entire BL to DB it’s “lack of coverage” but when SoS loses it all to DB it’s “sucks at defending their stuff”. Cool story bro.

Ask yourself a simple question: when Ehmry “loses their entire BL to DB”, what time is it?

Answer: It ain’t NA primetime. Ask DB what happened to the TG, rB, FIRE raid in our BL last night. They were all hunted down and massacred.

Ehmry has no problem defending its stuff when we are awake. I see SoS lose keeps in their BL when they have 50+ zerging around in Ehmry at Oceanic hours.

That’s not a coverage issue. That’s a defense issue.

Don’t you mean SEA time?

Lanimal.6541:

I think there is less % of TC losing guilds / imploding than some of the current T1 servers. SoR is arguably the most stable server currently, I think way back when they lost one SEA guild to BG in T2. However both BG and in recent history JQ do not have as high a guild retention as TC does.

So realistically unless something drastic happens its probably in the best interest of DB/FA/SOS to face one of the other T1 servers who could have the potential to have more guild shifts down the tiers.

Also for the very same reason as mentioned above; to keep our server healthy and continue to retain our guilds we want to have our rating close enough to be matched up with more T1 servers down the line, even if that means getting stomped every week. There is a higher chance of guilds dying / bored / quitting / transferring in matches like the past two weeks TC has had than ones where we are getting stomped.

This will be my last post as i don’t want to detrack your recruitment thread i respect that but don’t say i didn’t warn ya TC is heading towards the viscious cycle of recruitment that the current t1 servers have, you guys have/had something nice going hate to see you wreck it.

Lanimal.6541:

Le Rooster.8715:

not stomping servers hard enough?

Just looking towards the future when ratings get more stabalized. Also wouldn’t it be best for us to not sit in this awkward T1.5 position and constantly get poor matchups and stomp people due to superior coverage? I think its best for all if we maybe try to improve slightly and close the gap to T1 so that we can have competitive matchups; because we aren’t losing guilds or imploding anytime soon. Our solution to that is small havoc squads.

Also this thread to some capacity is to tell people that we are NOT recruiting any more medium/large guilds especially in NA. We do get a lot of interested guilds inquiring about the server so hopefully this thread will deter them from TC and make them choose potentially DB/FA/SoS if they are NA guilds.

you do realize that there are already three t1 servers, that would mean there would always be a server stomping DB/FA/SOS

Hey Dragonbrand you are allowed to go to Ehmry Bay borderlands you know that right?

not stomping servers hard enough?

Look Sea of Sorrows is the unofficial oceanic server so that time period you are speaking about directly correlates with early oceanic time in which SoS is the most active in PvE and one of the most active in WvW.

Hickeroar.9734:

Kryyg.8576:

Hickeroar.9734:

Le Rooster.8715:

Hickeroar.9734:

WIGZ.8245:

Would’ve preferred a new matchup, this fight is getting dull as the weeks go by.

Just be glad you have fights at all. :-/

The remnants of what were T2 and below are just dull dull dull now. TC is stuck in some weird T1.5 limbo while there’s no lower ranked server that can even come close to creating a real challenge at this point…yet we’re clearly not ready for T1 due to some significant coverage holes during SEA and Oceanic (and a bit in EU).

Argh. This new matchup system is ruining everything. We’re queuing 3-4 maps a night right now so we can wander around doing almost nothing.

Then Stop FLippin recruiting, don’t blame the new system because you would just stomp Dragonbrand and Fort aspenwood anyways, Tarnished Coast did this to themselves nobody said you had to get RE or the CD SEA guilds but you had tooo recruit more. Either leave the server or don’t complain about stomping when you were the ones who caused it.

There really wasn’t a lot of recruiting. Most of it was just guilds expressing interest and then moving over.

Give me a break, TC recruited to become a T1 server. All the guilds that transferred to TC also came to talk to JQ, but you paid them more gold than we could and they went to TC instead. To say they “just came over” is BS and you know it.

Now TC isn’t a T1 server and you over-recruited for T2, it’s your own fault.

Well, it may be BS, but I don’t know it. I haven’t heard of any active recruiting personally. Guess I shouldn’t say it “didn’t happen” though. :-P I’ll take your word for it.

Also, the other T2 servers lost a ton of players too, so it’s not entirely that we have too many. BT and VK moving off FA, now Agg, no one exactly knows the status of RE (DB) and CO, etc.

Exactly so what’s happening is that FA and DB are slowly moving closer and closer to the t3-4-5-6 mega tier where every server in those tiers were nearly equal or close enough to be competitive so the one server remaining from t2 which would still stomp t3 servers, because FA and DB don’t stomp t3 servers they just win by comfortable margins is Tarnished Coast. Obviously you should be proud that you established a solid community in which guilds don’t want to transfer off which is good but to complain that there’s no competition left well TC can control that.

Hickeroar.9734:

WIGZ.8245:

Would’ve preferred a new matchup, this fight is getting dull as the weeks go by.

Just be glad you have fights at all. :-/

The remnants of what were T2 and below are just dull dull dull now. TC is stuck in some weird T1.5 limbo while there’s no lower ranked server that can even come close to creating a real challenge at this point…yet we’re clearly not ready for T1 due to some significant coverage holes during SEA and Oceanic (and a bit in EU).

Argh. This new matchup system is ruining everything. We’re queuing 3-4 maps a night right now so we can wander around doing almost nothing.

Then Stop FLippin recruiting, don’t blame the new system because you would just stomp Dragonbrand and Fort aspenwood anyways, Tarnished Coast did this to themselves nobody said you had to get RE or the CD SEA guilds but you had tooo recruit more. Either leave the server or don’t complain about stomping when you were the ones who caused it.

Gellor.6497:

Phedre Scion.1520:

Jinks.2057:

Imagine ebay with oceanic coverage.

Ya….

Imagine SOS with NA coverage!!

Imagine if DB had SoS’s Oceanic!

Imagin SoS with DB’s SEA coverage.