Climbed the 3 levels, entered all the mini instances; completed the explorer achievement and killed the last champ without dying a single time.
Pro-tip: Hang that zerk gear in the wardrobe and use your pvp set.
Ill say it again…this better not be some ill-conceived attemp at making me get another gear set. I geared my thief for zerker. I don’t want to get a PVT set or something.
Note: I do support different gear sets and builds to promote diversity. I just chose zerker for my thief and I dont want to have to acquire another set to complete this content. What happened to playing the way I want to play?
You are doing it; and, as consequence, are effective as your choice is.
Don’t get a defensive set if you don’t want to, but as it should always be and unfortunately it is not; using a pure dps set is putting you up to some real risk. Get friends or go slowly.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Climbed the 3 levels (and the final thingy for the 4th), entered all the mini instances; completed the explorer achievement and killed the last champ without dying a single time.
Pro-tip: Hang that zerk gear in the wardrobe and use your pvp set.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
So er… am i the only one to have been in a spider queen pug fail attempt at stacking? It’s like most of my runs. I’m starting to think that i’m the problem…
Yes, it happens more often when EVERYONE is on a pure dps set and build and the party don’t know each other… switch to “support” utilities (what ever it has condi removal or group heals) and its cake again.
Pretty much the opposite of this. You usually die if the group has low dps. If everyone is high dps, the spider dies very quickly, like most everything in the game. I’ve only ever seen wipes in pugs with multiple below 80 players.
The day a boss (and their adds) hits with reduced damage because he has lower HP your answer will have any value… till that day comes. You just wasted some bits on the internet.
read again please… HE IS DYING RIGHT AFTER THE PULL BECAUSE THE BOSS DO X DAMAGE AND X CONDITIONS. Its not rocket science to survive that but if NOBODY can heal or remove condis not even for themselves, they will have troubles no matter how hard they can hit.
Besides, before more lies are spread… in a group with support players the only thing that kills you is boredom… HPs bar wont even reach 90%.
Like others said, if they’re dying right after the pull, it was a bad pull – nothing to do with build. There’s no reason to accuse me of lying, considering I’ve done it hundreds of times and you can easily find videos. The lie is that a full support team hp bars won’t even reach 90%, you wouldn’t be able to out dps all that damage.
Bolded makes no sense. Please elaborate a bit more.
The lie I accused you is that support players gets you killed. That is a fallacy usually coming from elitist kids sporting their full dps builds because they and their 4 friends can do a boss in 10 seconds. That is not what will happen in a pug team. Players buy that lie, build their characters following those video guy’s builds and fail. The saddest and pathetic part… is that when that 1 guy that bought the gw2 dream build from a video or an elitist post, come here and blame the other 4 for his failure.
Poison spray is a problem of bad pulling, but is not what I was talking about.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
logic dictates that hitting harder reduces the mob damge right?
get the bucket out of your head man… read what he is wondering… no matter how harder he hits, how faster the mobs dies, if the spider kills the group seconds after the initial pull its not a matter of killing it faster but surviving the initial aoe damage the party suffers.
It will always be faster with a zerk build, but people won’t die because of low dps. If you can’t endure (and die) the spider fight (or any other boss) because its “too long” then you are doing something wrong.
Which is incorrect. People do die because of low dps. Condition removal and invulns, contrary to popular belief, actually have cooldowns.
Yes, but how many pug warriors die in the hands of poison and bleeds without having shake it off equiped? that skill has very low cooldown and works aoe. A party has 5 members, I’m not saying the 5 of them has to equip cleanse and group heals. Everyone knows their character and knows what they are good at… not taking shake it off to get a signet on a warrior in a fight like spider queen is in fact not knowing your class well enough.
And that immobilize will make you unable to evade her regular attack which does quite a bit of damage and applies weakness. Your statement about everyone who isn’t able to endure “any other boss” fight for very long periods of time is “doing something wrong” also implies that you think people should run defensive gear.
No, you are just assuming that. I never said that doing something wrong equals use defensive gear. It means doing something wrong. Simple as that. Besides elite skills (or things like banners with very long cooldown), or utter dps teams.. you will hardly ever kill any boss without using your utilities at least twice, so not enduring the fight is not a matter of gear equiped but utilities chosen and when to use them.
Again, I never talked about gear. And another thing… this was a response to a player who has a problem while pugging. If you are going to give advise that works on your guild party, just don’t. It doesn’t work the same way while pugging. Almost none meta build will work on a pug group. Stop insisting.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Group events should have a small dragon chest… every single group event…
2-3 dragonite and the usual 1-3 blue/greens with a chance at rares or exotics (even that lottery chance of precursor).
Why not?
Would it kill the economy? an extra 2-3 blue/greens in the hands of 3-5 players that gathered in a map to complete the event?
Only thing I can see against my idea is that the devs will have to work locating the chest where group events occur… ANet working outside the gemstore its the hardest thing of my idea.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
I don’t know why people took my comment to a gearing discussion. I suggested that while pugging with random players, switch to group heals / condi cleanse. Last time i check utility skills are not located in the armor slot…
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
So er… am i the only one to have been in a spider queen pug fail attempt at stacking? It’s like most of my runs. I’m starting to think that i’m the problem…
Yes, it happens more often when EVERYONE is on a pure dps set and build and the party don’t know each other… switch to “support” utilities (what ever it has condi removal or group heals) and its cake again.
Pretty much the opposite of this. You usually die if the group has low dps. If everyone is high dps, the spider dies very quickly, like most everything in the game. I’ve only ever seen wipes in pugs with multiple below 80 players.
The day a boss (and their adds) hits with reduced damage because he has lower HP your answer will have any value… till that day comes. You just wasted some bits on the internet.
read again please… HE IS DYING RIGHT AFTER THE PULL BECAUSE THE BOSS DO X DAMAGE AND X CONDITIONS. Its not rocket science to survive that but if NOBODY can heal or remove condis not even for themselves, they will have troubles no matter how hard they can hit.
Besides, before more lies are spread… in a group with support players the only thing that kills you is boredom… HPs bar wont even reach 90%.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
So er… am i the only one to have been in a spider queen pug fail attempt at stacking? It’s like most of my runs. I’m starting to think that i’m the problem…
Yes, it happens more often when EVERYONE is on a pure dps set and build and the party don’t know each other… switch to “support” utilities (what ever it has condi removal or group heals) and its cake again.
What awful advice, like every encounter ever it’s better to have a full team of Berserkers. Someone lowering the team’s DPS by say , wearing PVT is how you get your team killed. At most you want one or two people to cleanse Weakness as it’s applied because it absolutely wrecks your damage.
Semi-related story, was Pugging AC p3, one of the Guardian’s knew the entire order of the burrows so I entrusted him with my Ice Bow, much to my surprise he quickly picked it up and used #4 on the next burrow, only for it to survive with a 3rd of its health left….
#PuGlyf \m/
logic dictates that hitting harder reduces the mob damge right?
get the bucket out of your head man… read what he is wondering… no matter how harder he hits, how faster the mobs dies, if the spider kills the group seconds after the initial pull its not a matter of killing it faster but surviving the initial aoe damage the party suffers.
Think before reply please. Of course we all know (and are sick of) your optimal builds, but it doesnt work for every party set up. Specially for 5 random guys placed together in a dungeon.
Your “related” story has absolutly no comparisson with his story. Its not the same scenario, its not the same reason why they are dying. Its not the same and does not apply.
A PVT player can solo the spider; its cake with heals and cleans; stop telling lies.
It will always be faster with a zerk build, but people won’t die because of low dps. If you can’t endure (and die) the spider fight (or any other boss) because its “too long” then you are doing something wrong.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
So er… am i the only one to have been in a spider queen pug fail attempt at stacking? It’s like most of my runs. I’m starting to think that i’m the problem…
Yes, it happens more often when EVERYONE is on a pure dps set and build and the party don’t know each other… switch to “support” utilities (what ever it has condi removal or group heals) and its cake again.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
It consumes more time than 2, 3 or even 4 dungeons depending on how long you parked your toon waiting.
Its not worth it, and the randomness on its success (since it depends entirely on the quality of random players around you) makes it a waste of time unless they place it as a guild event.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Yeah , finally uninstalled gw2 bout 10 min ago. Tired of these no skill builds , run around and gain life, run around as an engi and make condos into boons have perm swiftness vigor and mass aoe.
I could handle ghese minion necrosis but now so many Engis with aoe spams adding to the warrior and necro bullkitten class list. Good riddance to gw 2 , I may play again when there is actual balance
So, you make it look like its thousands against your poor unbalanced kitten . Where is your group? where are your engies and warrior buddies? Do you plan to success against every situation, every scenario? did you find the everlasting build that can face ANYTHING and has no counters? are you a gw2 genious who just can’t stand the flaws of the game?
less qq more pewpew IMO.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
I’d like to see people melee stacking against the AC troll.
i did it all melee, but you can’t really stack because of what I said in my last post. It will shoot all 5 ground projectiles in the same direction and if only one guy misses that dodge it will be insta-down / dead. If you spread at melee its totally doable.
Manly, you can’t stack/melee him effectively cause hes spam AoE fear inbetween projectile barrage and bouncing stun.
fear is not that big of an issue with aoe condi removal but the stun… oh man that crap is annoying as hell
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
I’d like to see people melee stacking against the AC troll.
i did it all melee, but you can’t really stack because of what I said in my last post. It will shoot all 5 ground projectiles in the same direction and if only one guy misses that dodge it will be insta-down / dead. If you spread at melee its totally doable.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
-Slave driver murders melee if you dont have enough dps. Effigy is completely afk faceroll at range because his attacks all have limited range. Its pretty faceroll in melee but definately a bit more involved.
Effigy actually has a very powerful ranged attack. Not sure how far you/everyone? must stand though.
Only “powerfull” thing I noticed on Effigy is the same as AC Troll. His range attack cast one projectile for each party member; making it deadly if the players “eclipse” with each other. All projectiles casts in the same direction and if someone gets hit it would be receiving kittens together (in the worst case). Other than that, never saw anything range and deadly in Effigy.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Instead of actively fight bots back, they are trying to make the game unpleasant for botting.
The sad thing is that their strategy impacts players as well… so in order to reduce work on their side chasing bots, we have diminishing returns on loot and very scarce rare drops. Hurray!
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Once you get the game mechanics it is: Be a “thief wannabe” (meaning all zerk, fastest weapon 130 range power based) or be criticized. It pretty much resolve to that.
The class you play or the build you like is irrelevant. Not like this is a role game after all.
Wait until someone “smart” pulls the card “because in fractal 48…” as it means anything.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Things that requires time are set for hardcores (some skins are not even measured in human years if someone wants to farm everything for himself… it would require him a couple of lifetimes to get).
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
My warrior is an elder (old face, gray hair, long white beard) Norn. Tough in body, not max tall but tall enough to cause a reaction.
My ranger is a human elonian hunter. He is dark skinned, big body, rasta hair, and wears leather and bones armor (mix n match). Perfectly dressed for the time Elonian Deserts are here.
My necro is an asura, ugly as I could possibly make him… gray and black stained skin, small red eyes, horrible nose lol, it is so funny.
not worthy to tell you about me engie or guardian… but the idea is that depending on the character, I try to make them look different and fit a concept in my head.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Leaving and coming back is no longer an option. Many friends tried it but are disappointed of how far behind they are in: fractal level, ascended grinding, the new crafting to 500 and getting 500 dragonites for a single weapon, laurels, guild commendations and all the many many skins they missed and will never return. They now feel that if they want to “catch up” they have to grind and farm harder than any other game that actually has a treadmill.
Face it, GW2 is closer to Wow than GW1.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Don’t blame ANet, blame dodgeless players that let the abomination stack zerk buff. They are as easy as an ettin to dodge.
Now talking about general elites poppin in any scaled event… I LOVE it, but I’d like to see a drop table associate it to them… killing them knowing they will drop nothing its a bit annoying.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Your lack of knowledge or playing skills of the necro class still doesn’t make a valid argument how 4 elite skills costing a total of 60 skill points are useful. You just gave the usual, “I use it to stealth” answer, which is not more valid than the guy that said he uses it to mine the rich orichalcum time ago. It is still a crappy skill
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
What the heck you talking bout (those who don’t appreciate the racials) the snow leopard is the best elite ever! I’ve gotten out of sticky situations in wvw more times than I can count, I won’t go out without it!
I’m sure that’s what all of you imagine when you read about shapeshifting norns… gaining stealth for a few secs to run away. Impressive…
Same argument used over an over…
4 elite skills… 3 of 10 points, 1 of 30.
Only use so far: newbie “oh crap button”. Until they learn to use something better.
There are no other oh crap buttons for a necro, ergo the snow leopard is awesome.
Necro is the last class to need an oh crap button… F1, spectral break stun, protection, fear, dazes, chill… must I say that the last 3 comes as AOE?
besides,… it is still totally un-justified… 30 skill points for a few seconds of stealth? just to save your kitten running away from combat? do you know how many thousands proud norns are revolving in their graves just because you do that?
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
What the heck you talking bout (those who don’t appreciate the racials) the snow leopard is the best elite ever! I’ve gotten out of sticky situations in wvw more times than I can count, I won’t go out without it!
Some players expect dungeons to be like disney movies, thinking everyone will start singing and dancing on sync… well those elitists disney watchers should know that in real life 5 strangers will never coordinate that easy and it might take extra effort.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
If you allow me… not my Norn (he is more “snow skinned”) but my Human African Hunter (probably need a better screenshot where you can actually see the color of his skin lol)
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Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
You brought up a comparison, I refuted the comparison. As soon as the comparison no longer met your needs you threw it aside.
That’s called an argument. You lost.
wat? lol ok, I never compared and I never used it as an statement for any point so I hardly see any argument. I just made a comment of how whiners warlocks were (this is not to argue, it is a fact. Go back to the forums and read from 2005 to 2009, can’t tell after that). So… ehmmm…. yeah you win (O.o)! there are cookies on that table, take one; you clearly deserve it (?)
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
I would still call the Ranger the best range class (even thought it still has room for improvement).
The fact we are even entertaining this question shows there is indeed a very big problem with the state of Rangers at the moment.
Yes, you are right. Can’t disagree on this one.
I recall WoW Warlocks forum and the eternal whines no matter how OP they were, it was an habit they get used to. I’m afraid this might happen to the rangers, some blindly put more focus on what others do than what they are capable of doing.
Nope, Warlocks were complaining for a similar reason rangers are complaining now.
See Rangers? even if the reasons are the same, look how it goes after… years after and the hurt remains lol complaining about the class in another game forum.
Didn’t you bring up Warlocks? Wow….you need a bit more insight before you try and write something.
You are just starting to sound like a fool now.
No, I’m sorry. I did not bring warlocks problems to the forums. I bring the horrible warlock habit that is getting started here as well. I compared both communities but I didn’t start a discussion on warlock issues on wow. I thought it didn’t needed an explanation but there is always someone zpezial.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
I would still call the Ranger the best range class (even thought it still has room for improvement).
The fact we are even entertaining this question shows there is indeed a very big problem with the state of Rangers at the moment.
Yes, you are right. Can’t disagree on this one.
I recall WoW Warlocks forum and the eternal whines no matter how OP they were, it was an habit they get used to. I’m afraid this might happen to the rangers, some blindly put more focus on what others do than what they are capable of doing.
Nope, Warlocks were complaining for a similar reason rangers are complaining now.
See Rangers? even if the reasons are the same, look how it goes after… years after and the hurt remains lol complaining about the class in another game forum.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
I would still call the Ranger the best range class (even thought it still has room for improvement).
The fact we are even entertaining this question shows there is indeed a very big problem with the state of Rangers at the moment.
Yes, you are right. Can’t disagree on this one.
I recall WoW Warlocks forum and the eternal whines no matter how OP they were, it was an habit they get used to. I’m afraid this might happen to the rangers, some blindly put more focus on what others do than what they are capable of doing.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Combo finishers, (with trait every skill is combo finisher and auto attack dual GARANTEED finisher), crazy. And you got a superior blast finisher every 10 sec.
Aoe damage. 3x F1 (or more with cd reduction), + 3x skill nr 3 = massive damage, while barrage does a lot of damage, the amount of control, and over time pressure really can’t keep up with this. Aoe = warrior wins.
Hybrid fully viable. Go conditions? With burning you’ll kick butt (and pin down, 6x bleed!), go power? works. Go hybrid work. While SB is more the counter part to it, it sucks incredible compared to warrior LB in this regard.
Yeah I enjoy doing that on my warrior as well BUT, the reason I rolled a Ranger and I am slowly turning it into my main is because if I want to be an archer, I don’t want to be throwing bombs like warrior #3 and burning the floor to be viable, I want to be an archer that hits hard with arrows from far and for that, ranger is far superior. I can go to Orr and wander around killing mobs with the bow before my pet reaches them… on a warrior you can’t really kill things with the bow fast enough unless you waste cooldowns.
Besides, is very inefficient to build for conditions to apply only 1 or 2 conditions… warrior only have fire (and an unsustainable bleeding). I tried a condi warrior long time ago and it was such a huge disappointment compared to classes that can place 3-4 different conditions. It’s not worth it.
I would still call the Ranger the best range class (even thought it still has room for improvement).
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
it is conceptually wrong to try to use a loooong bow in situations where does not apply. If you enter a dungeon with any intention of using a long bow, you probably need to re-read what the weapon is used for… you will be better with a short bow which is better at skirmishing and tight scenarios. Lucky for us, most traits were placed together giving bonus to boths bows with the same trait so you don’t even need to specialize in one or the other.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
1) Anet want you to have a pet. Not to be a thief with long bow.
But its ok to be a Ranger with Stealth – Thief
But its ok to a Ranger with Heavy Armor – Warrior
Damage increase with pet dead or stowed isn’t OP. Period.
Of course, just because you say so. Your authority on the matter allows you not to provide arguments to your point. Perfect.
Ps. We don’t have thieves stealth capability and warriors don’t have our damage with bows. Don’t be like that.
No need to go into details, since its already been covered many time.
Warriors don’t have Ranger damage with bows? LOL. You are kidding right?
No, I’m a warrior and recently moved to the ranger’s world and amazed by how many biased lies I’m reading.
Not gonna disagree that ranged damage as a whole in this game needs a bump but from there to warriors better than rangers with longbow is just too much.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
