Ok,.. There is nothing wrong with zerging… not when its meant to face a huge enemy in a large escale event. Dragon fights, Temple fights, etc… or the current live event. Zergs on invasions are extremely fun (daily reviver its easy with all the zerklings dead around Air pirates lol).
…but for regular farming, to have a 24/7 farm trains with dozens of players just rushing to the next mob… its seriously NOT ok. Show that to any MMO player from any other game and anyone will be like: “wth!?”, show it to anynone who just bought the game: “This is what you will be doing at 80” and he will have second thoughts about having bought this game.
Don’t say its the player base, a player base is like a bunch of monkeys, they are just after bananas. It is ANet that has to place the bananas in a fashion way for the monkeys to have fun.
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yeah? Funny how most WoWheads here complain the loudest about the temporary content (vs. permanent), which is the new course of GW2, and lack of trinity, which hasn´t been exactly introduced into the game either. But I guess it is more fun bashing with negative buzz phrases than thinking your arguments through.
yeah!? yeah!!?… lol
I said 34% there is still a lot different, enjoy it while is here.
(btw, its easy to remove the trinity if at the same time you remove hard fights).
btw: Blizzard is probably the worst game company IMO. Sad how many kids are blinded by big titles.
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heh, the only reason why I haven’t gone back to WoW, is because of the sub-fee, I’ve already invested into this game, but nothing has really happened in the year yet.
There are many reasons why I can’t go back there… but the one that pushes me farther away is the horrible concept art. More than 50% of the characters are the newborn satan dressed in fire and lightnings. Its so ridiculously childish that I can´t play a game where my character will look like that. I’m crossing fingers for a hide armor and weapons FX in GW2.
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That’s for your response. If I knew that there was freezing events I would have stayed away from the game. It’s very annoying.
My OCD means I have to wait until Tuesday so to get this menial event completed . LOL.
Not that many DEs are broken. Look around for dead Npcs. Sometimes there is an escort dead and it wont move until his buddy is back up (not always described in the DE)
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I hope not… not craftable… aquired through gameplay yes (without stupid RNG), but craftable no please. It’s ANet after all,… its gonna cost a small legendary to craft and it will TP-gated like everything else.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
(Most) People want to feel like they earned their legendary, not bought it directly with gems—>gold (or massive farming) or just got super lucky with drops.
I wish we had some sort of long, solo, hard, instanced quest that just couldn’t be zerked to victory.
It’s good that they are letting us craft them finally, but if it is going to cost as many t6 (or 7) mats and/or lodestones as a legendary that doesn’t really solve the problem.
I agree, such a quest would be the best solution. It should be very hard however, much like Liadri was in the Queen’s Gauntlet (of course with better visibility).
and maybe not one-shot/time-gated fight? perhaps they’d like to include lag victims this time (like anyone who lives far from the servers).
I just meant to refer to a difficulty level, not the exact same fight. Of course it should be possible to complete no matter where in the world you live, as well as being able to take as long as you want to.
If you want to take eight hours to defeat it, by all means, you should be able to do that.
Indeed
They didn’t give me a chance to tire Liadri up so we can talk about her issues and why she is so mad
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Most of you didn’t actually read the entire keyboard description..
The ‘macro’ keys located behind the F-key row are raised so that you can basically slide your finder down from one of those keys while pressing it and land on the F-Key underneath.
This fits exactly with what Anet considers acceptable. It makes it easier to press two buttons with one physical action, but you are still pressing two buttons.
As for the keyboard itself, I agree with the above poster that this is NOT a gaming keyboard. There are much better choices out there.
A macro is not the same as a keybind.
It might be to the Steelseries marketing team.
Well, they might not be as big as they think to re-define the word Macro :P
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Just asking, but what type of macro might people find useful, assuming it didn’t violate the TOS? I ask because I’m thinking of a macro in this situation as an automated key sequence, but I can’t think of a situation where I’d want to use that. (I’m probably overlooking the obvious though.)
MACRO: a single instruction that expands automatically into a set of instructions to perform a particular task.
replacing one key for another is not a macro but a set up on the keybinds. Having a Macro Keyboard in a game that doesn’t allow MACROS is quite contradictory and will probably cause more than one unfair ban (if detected of course).
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
(Most) People want to feel like they earned their legendary, not bought it directly with gems—>gold (or massive farming) or just got super lucky with drops.
I wish we had some sort of long, solo, hard, instanced quest that just couldn’t be zerked to victory.
It’s good that they are letting us craft them finally, but if it is going to cost as many t6 (or 7) mats and/or lodestones as a legendary that doesn’t really solve the problem.
I agree, such a quest would be the best solution. It should be very hard however, much like Liadri was in the Queen’s Gauntlet (of course with better visibility).
and maybe not one-shot/time-gated fight? perhaps they’d like to include lag victims this time (like anyone who lives far from the servers).
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
I just read your last comment, for a second I was having a deja vu
ok, i’ll the same comment then:
If they are going to be like the zerg/zerks we have today, then what’s the point?
Unless they somehow force guilds to formations and strategy using a variety of gear and builds, then I see no point in doing it. We already have content to zerg/zerk
It’s not going to be the typical wvw or farming zerg. If they add a lot of different objectives to the raiding instance, all objectives being important the raid will spread out and have to complete different objectives in order to progress further in the raid and at some point defeat the raid encounter.
Objectives could be, for example
A. Stop the naval fleet of the risen at the sea
B. Protect the supply caravans
C. Build cannon, turrets, ballistas
D. Protect the megalaser from being destroyed
E. Slow the main army of undead from reaching point X
F: Collect X to load up the megalaser with more energy
G: Defeat undead dragons in the sky to reduce the danger from above
H: Protect the engineers underground while they plant the bombs to blow up the cave and stop undead from getting into your “base”
etc
But the combat dynamic will still be a zerg/zerk. That is very similar to what guild missions are now. I’d really love to see content where 12-24 or 30 players have to work together in a tight formation rather than just run, zerk, run again.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
I just read your last comment, for a second I was having a deja vu
ok, i’ll the same comment then:
If they are going to be like the zerg/zerks we have today, then what’s the point?
Unless they somehow force guilds to formations and strategy using a variety of gear and builds, then I see no point in doing it. We already have content to zerg/zerk
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Why is zerker gear being the best PvE gear a problem in this game? You give up all passive damage mitigation in favour of preventing damage being a job entirely in your hands and in return you get to deal the maximum damage possible. It’s a win/win, bad players in zerker get slaughtered, good players get to clear content quickly.
One thing to make jormag more rewarding would be to introduce drops on the champions that spawn in the event
This would only lead to people camping the champions instead of attacking the Claw.
What do you mean “lead to”? Its always been far more profitable to kill the mobs that jormag toss out, tag the champs and wait for the wall to come down so that the champs “die” and you can grab their loot. If he does a second set of champs because people took their sweet time bringing down the wall, all the better. For the second part, only the champs are worth it though.
Jormag himself give crap loot in comparison, for me the mobs often yeilded 3-6x the reward in terms of cash.
From the August 6, 2013 patch notes.
““Defeat the Claw of Jormag”: The champions in this event no longer drop loot.”
^
ANet is its worst enemy.
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Talking in pos of concept before looks, a Norn can’t play a sneaky thief role or an assasin… My best advice for a Norn Thief would be to dress it like a pirate; another kind of scoundrel that perfectly fits the role of a rogue in the party. Sword Pistol looks awesome on a pirate
There are many sets that can be mixed to get a GREAT pirate look.- (though the complete pirate set is not very impressive).
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
(Most) People want to feel like they earned their legendary, not bought it directly with gems—>gold (or massive farming) or just got super lucky with drops.
I wish we had some sort of long, solo, hard, instanced quest that just couldn’t be zerked to victory.
It’s good that they are letting us craft them finally, but if it is going to cost as many t6 (or 7) mats and/or lodestones as a legendary that doesn’t really solve the problem.
Didn’t you hear? Thor had to check with his broker many times and stock animal parts like crazy before he could wield Mjölnir
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Edit, i would like to add that it seems like GW2 is a game all around money. If you don’t like to mind money, that’s tough for you, you have to farm because money means everything. It’s like a virtual world of capitalism. It sickens me.
I always had the same impression. Almost everything can be achieved from the TP. Very little is achievable only through “adventuring”.
You mean like gearing up? Full sets of armor, weapons, ascended gear, etc. all available through “adventuring”. The only thing that isn’t are accessories (though some are available with karma) but they have yet to put ascended accessories on the TP so you really don’t need that much anyway.
No, i didn’t meant gearing up.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
So basically you want a free precursor that you can get in an hour?
You are assuming the “hunt” would take an hour and free.
As it is right now, it is already free and not even takes an hour for the people that got it out of a JP chest, or WvW random kill, or dragon kill… is that harder than a quest? I sincerely think your statement makes no sense.
*If you want to take a gamble and be lucky then by all means. But don’t complain when you don’t get anything, considering that there are non RNG, guaranteed ways of getting a precursor.
If you want a precursor, go buy a cheap one. Go buy The Bard or an underwater precursor.*
Why do you keep making no sense? Who said I have a precursor fever? I don’t want to buy a precursor. I want to earn one. I don’t consider farming gold brag rights to say I earned anything; we all know its just spamming 1 within a zerg.
When I said it would be better to get it from a “quest” rather than more farming you claimed I wanted one for free and within an hour (empty assumption on your side in my opinion). I replied to you saying that the way you get a precursor today is for free and without any effort nor time spent. It is a random reward for the most random things. Someone who JUST hit lvl 80 can get one from a JP chest and still don’t have his first exotic armor. Do you think this method is better? Then we disagree.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Edit, i would like to add that it seems like GW2 is a game all around money. If you don’t like to mind money, that’s tough for you, you have to farm because money means everything. It’s like a virtual world of capitalism. It sickens me.
I always had the same impression. Almost everything can be achieved from the TP. Very little is achievable only through “adventuring”.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
So basically you want a free precursor that you can get in an hour?
You are assuming the “hunt” would take an hour and free.
As it is right now, it is already free and not even takes an hour for the people that got it out of a JP chest, or WvW random kill, or dragon kill… is that harder than a quest? I sincerely think your statement makes no sense.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
My biggest fear is that this scavenger hunt will be another redundant solution based on T6 mats, Ectos, Skill Points… pretty much making a smaller legendary so again, solution will be based on gold and TP.
I have little to no faith in they surprising me with a scripted “hunt” to get it. I’m crossing my fingers to be wrong but history tells me different.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
If it’s something that you enjoy though, then do it. It’s a game after all. Have fun
This is why I harvest. I quite enjoy exploring the world and gathering everything myself.
How do you harvest 250 of each T6 and 100 Onyx Lodestones? I was looking for this answer since forever
Well I would have said ember farm but that got nerfed. Champ boxes are still really good for t5/t6/cores/lodestones though… you just won’t be getting them in the same quantities as they were in CS a couple of weeks ago.
Frost champ farm is still going on, and then we have the current living story (just stick to the champ spawns). It would take you a while, but you could do it this way.
It’ll also give you nummy karma vials + karma for event completion for obby shards, and skill points for upgrading some of those t5’s->6 or cores->lodestones if you wanted.
First of all thanks because I understand you are trying to help. My point was that you can’t harvest this kind of things… you have to rely (like you said) on things that randomly gives you this kind of mats. You don’t get scales from lizards or claws from bears if you get what I mean. The drop chance is so ridiculous that it would take you decades to get them all.
Yea the drop rate used to be higher, but they were over farmed/dropping too many (according to a-net) and then nerfed. : /
The drop rate was fine for none farmers… I used to get not many but enough in Orr lands, problem started when the farmers flooded the DEs. Nerfing the drop rate was the first messure, then the DR but they forget to put rates back up after
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Don’t forget that many people in the forums tend to lie and you might be comparing your bad experience against a made up one. Then again,.. I could also be lying right now (/tinfoilhat)
PS. After 1200 hours I broke my own record… I got the best drop I’ve ever got. 5g sword
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ANet: Is not like we are asking for random minis instead of a predetermined mini… you already know we are sick of RNG.
Probably it would’ve been better something that players would like rather than that ugly mini. I can think of silly things like a different balloon? since its a birthday? Or why not (like we already have a star for world completition) add a little “rank” mark to your char every year; so 3-5 years from now you can distinguish really old players. Just speaking my mind here…
Anything than lottery tickets or things you cannot even have fun with… Mini Jennah: recieved -> bank -> never out again.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
I’m familiar with simple good old fashioned lazy, I’ve played games with far worse exploitation potential, but I’ve never seen an MMO culture with such a widespread epidemic of complete disinterest in the content.
Thank you and your better than mine english.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Is it more difficult dungeons or more difficult bosses that you want? Cause if you will skip everything up to the next necessary thing to get the tokens/loot/gold and get out, then probably you are crying for more Arenas and not a dungeon experience.
I hope you realize that making mobs unskippable will not make a dungeon more difficult. It will just make it take more time.
As for the bosses, I’d like more challenging bosses yes.
I said it in another post, I don’t want to fight endless amounts of trash either but there is something every dungeoneer can agree, some pulls in some dungeons are more challeging that the boss that follows it.
Granted, killing trash is totally unrewarded but so is for players that have little time to play to just skip the whole thing and spam 1 on a boss. I’m here for fun not only rewards.
Again, don’t take it personal. I’m not saying you are doing in wrong and I have the truth I’m saying that it’s on the dev/design side to make trash and dungeons more appealing and not just a straight race to the next boss.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
no, I discuss calling out other ways of running it subpar and your decent cause that is in a way telling people how to do it.
Is this a racing game? are we here to compete on speed? or are we here to actually kill things?
Then its perfectly fine for other players to run things the way they like. The thread was simple, Are dungeons made boring by the community? I answer yes, why? because for me it is boring to pass through things without killing when I’m here to kill things. I think its a simple and straight answer. I’m sorry you have so much troubles with such a simple concept.
This is not a racing game no. But part of my fun in this game is doing dungeons fast. Who are you to tell me that’s the wrong way to play the game.
yara yara
I never told you how you should do it. I simply stated how I feel about dungeons and how I THINK it was planned (using dungeon events and first atemps to stop spped clears by ANet as arguments. It seems they gave up, and yes they said it was fine because not being fine might be interpreted as reportable). You are picking up a fight because someone thinks different or have a different concept of fun,
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Jokes aside, its fine to try to beat your own record. But I don’t think the whole community plays your game. There is this stupid trend, like if “not playing” the game is the best way to play it.
The irony is almost painful.
Since English is my third language; would you be so kind to point out the irony? my grammar and/or syntax might not be that good.
(I rushed that comment as I was picking up a call at work)
pointless rambling
The irony is that you say “But I don’t think the whole community plays your game.” while we are not the people imposing our way of playing the game on others, while you are. You are telling us we shouldn’t skip mobs, because it’s the wrong way to play the game. Yet skipping is totally optional, so technically, if you want to complete a dungeon by killing everything in it, none of us are stopping you from doing so. You however want to stop us from playing dungeons the way we like to do it. Which means you’re trying to make the whole community play your game.
Hope that was more clear than my one liner, which I thought was pretty clear to begin with, seeing how the irony was so glaring.
I see know.-
Of course I’m not imposing anything to anyone. We are discussing, giving out opinions; this is a forum after all.
To see the point you would have to go up and see that “pointless rambling” even though I see no rambling at all.
If you won’t read people’s opinion then I think you are in the wrong part of the internet. Unless you have attention issues and are here just to play cool like you did before.
depends,… do you really run them or do you skip them? Do you fight the boss as you should or do you bug them/pull them away from bodyguards/etc?
Is it more difficult dungeons or more difficult bosses that you want? Cause if you will skip everything up to the next necessary thing to get the tokens/loot/gold and get out, then probably you are crying for more Arenas and not a dungeon experience.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Personally what little enjoyment the dungeons provide for me is seeing that gold number in my inventory going from x to x+1. That’s it.
Mesket – in your desire to change the game and make it more like what you want and like you’d be ruining it for me and others like me.
To me dungeons are a chore. There are other aspects of the game that I enjoy. These aspects cost MONEY. If I don’t farm/do dungeons I’ll never have that money to be able to get what I want and play what I want.
There’s too little content in this game for it not to be considered a chore. Not enough new stuff, to keep you busy and having fun with something new and shiny.
So why not keep things as they are instead of making them worse?
Casuals play the way they want to . roleplayers the way they want to and speedclearers the way they want to. Is it that hard?
There are plenty of places where you can make that happen if that is what makes you have fun but few to no places where you can “explore a dangerous zone”. This is why I answer that dungeons are boredom for me. It is a personal answer and I don’t expect you (or anyone) to share my opinion.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
I don’t follow commands nor give myself up to the mass hysteria of completing a dungeon in 2 less minutes (unless you tell me you sport it like Cookie and do it with people that are fond with it)..
That’s funny, nor do I, nor did I ever imply such a thing. If a dungeon run goes bad, it goes bad. kitten happens. All I care about that people learned from their mistakes and try not to make them again.
You pretend like we treat every run like a record run, which we don’t. I just don’t see why I should run a subpar teambuild and why people judge me for wanting to run decent builds.
no, I discuss calling out other ways of running it subpar and your decent cause that is in a way telling people how to do it.
Is this a racing game? are we here to compete on speed? or are we here to actually kill things?
Then its perfectly fine for other players to run things the way they like. The thread was simple, Are dungeons made boring by the community? I answer yes, why? because for me it is boring to pass through things without killing when I’m here to kill things. I think its a simple and straight answer. I’m sorry you have so much troubles with such a simple concept.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
I don’t follow commands nor give myself up to the mass hysteria of completing a dungeon in 2 less minutes (unless you tell me you sport it like Cookie and do it with people that are fond with it).
I only do dungeons with friends that have been tried and tested.
In this thread I never implied for everyone to follow the meta. If a lot of people in the community wants to achieve a fast time of completion, who are you to say that they should not?
You have implied for people to follow your “best practice” standard on how to complete dungeons.
I never defined a “best practice” nor did I impose it:
Quoting myself: And when are you going to understand that saying something is VALID doesn’t mean it is the best practice?
For some reason you got sticky with the words “best practice” (my english is limited so I couldn’t find better ones)
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Sorry, just read this reply. No, skipping is very, VERY easy. There is no skill in pressing swiftness and the W key. Specially with a thief or Mesmer in the party.
Would you like to come do Arah with us some time? I’d be mildly impressed if you didn’t go down once
Yeah I’d LOVE to see this, that is if y’all need someone to Record it… I always get most of the Trash-Aggro myself in P1/P2 when running and I get downed surprisingly often the FIRST time through while trying to make sure everyone else makes it in one piece.
And I used to run Droknar’s / Granite Cit / Marhan’s & And also Shards of Orr / RataSum taxi… It’s nothing like COF / SE. There’s more to it than just chaining skills & holding forward.
You just made me cry out in nostalgia. I used to be a runner too. 1 platinum here, another when we get there lol
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
How about people stop judging anet by their “intentions” and judge them by their actions? If you can run past from mobs and they leash, then it is pretty clear what is and isn’t optional. And you don’t have to play junior psychologist guessing games to figure it out.
Because what you call actions can also be unexpected results. They are adding content every 2 weeks and some of them are here to stay. I want to express my opinion as other players do with naive hope that it would be read by a designer.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
I have a real job to be efficient at, this is recreation for me.
you have a real job, i own a real business. what’s the point in mentioning unless it’s some sort of peen comparison?
You want to play casual fine I’m not telling you how to play it, but you are telling us how to play. Some of us unwind with challenging/hard/stressful content.
There are valid reasons pointing out what someone does besides playing video games when you are discussing something such as time taken for something.
I don’t consider myself casual… I play almost everyday if not everyday and when I play, I play. I don’t follow commands nor give myself up to the mass hysteria of completing a dungeon in 2 less minutes (unless you tell me you sport it like Cookie and do it with people that are fond with it).
I do love hard content, though I don’t think hard means doing it fast or don’t doing it at all. My definition of hard means more clever strategic wise without making mistakes;… I’m definitely starting to think this is not the game for that.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
Every loading screen with its original art makes wanna cry when I think about all the glowing and ridiculous wings on players now.
Sorry they’re not to your taste but I really like them…
That’s fine. I just wish I have a checkbox to turn glowings off. It was one of the things that I loved from this game (and hated from cheap art games like most asians MMO or Wow later expansions, the original first edition was cool).
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
there is still a lot different, enjoy it while is here.
