Guild Wars 2

Assassin X.8573:

abbadon is not dead, even though in gw1 the player defeats abbadon and kormir gains his power, it is never stated that he ceases to exist.

Kormir specifically states, once becoming a goddess, that Abaddon is no more. On top of that, we have Word of God (a.k.a. Word of Grubb) that he is indeed dead.

Kalavier.1097:

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Even the races that do care about Lion’s Arch aren’t doing anything. Why should the tengu?

Do note that the NPC’s state Scarlet basically took the entire city in under an hour(it ranges if anything from under an hour to under a day). If you wanted to view it say, the players arrive at the camp 1 day later, that’s hardly time for anything BEYOND setting up the camps (which the orders got set up kitten quick) and the Seraph/Queen sending the balloons to help transport between the camps.

Not to mention each race DOES have their own issues/fights in their borders, they can’t just yoink a massive army from the frontlines and send them away. ALSO the fact Norn don’t HAVE an army, so they’d have to spread out and tell various lodges/hunting camps about this new threat and hope they want to pitch in.

I actually want to note that at the camp with Emissary Vorrp, he states that the raising of the refugee camps was partially his doing. Because the player was able to help him figure out her plans, and the captain’s council were a bunch of dull witted baboons he had a hand in the creation of refugee camps to help save what lives he could.

I guess I didn’t realize that he had the option to choose his own fear. In most personal stories, if you are the “sidekick,” for lack of a better term, you don’t have the option to talk with NPC’s or interact with most stuff. Almost everything has to be done by the party leader. Because of this, I had assumed if I chose something it would account for him as well (which I believe he assumed also). I guess it’s time to hit the whole character delete button and count my two lvl 400 crafting trades, cultural armor, and personal story up til this point as a waste… That or completely abandon the story I have created for my character which, I’ll be honest, kinda depended on that story… No easy choices…

Yes, but this is what confuses me. I was playing on the same character, and he was playing on the same character, that we both chose the “death of an innocent” path on. We both chose the same path (I chose it personally, and he selected to accept it), so why would the game give us a different path? Even though he started the Forging the Pact story, he had already selected to agree with choosing the “death of an innocent” path and thus we SHOULD still be on that page…

I highly disagree that this is not a bug.

Me and this same person have been playing as the same characters through the same story since well before the first battle for Claw Island. I, personally, made the choice that both of our characters would play through the Tonn storyline. I also lead the personal stories for the defense of Vigil Keep and the retaking of Claw Island. The only story that his character (who, remember, accepted my choice of the Tonn storyline) lead was the Forging of the Pact. So unless there is some way that during that storyline his character was able to switch his “fear” then I don’t see why the story should have given us the wrong path. And since this is the game doing something wrong, I personally consider it a bug.

If this won’t get fixed, I’ll have to delete my character and start from freakin’ scratch all because the game system decides for me what my storyline is, not myself apparently. Oh, and screw being a coop game, never play with friends because even though you’ve both made ALL of the exact same story choices, the game will decide to screw something up…

Like Zamalek’s choice, it was likely a joke from ArenaNet, since so many arguments have been had over whether he is being mind controlled or not.

Kalavier.1097:

According to a Q&A I just read, the factions are all working with her because they are in it for the endgame reward

Oh great… They’re grinding for meta-achievement rewards too? lol

Yeah, I had always expected the fight against Zhaitan to take place from the perspective of zoomed out from an airship as the players shoot it. There are craploads of problems with this possibility, but at the same time it would have given the players a muuuuuch better perspective of how large he was. I just hope that they aren’t afraid to give us an altered Arah story dungeon, I’m sure it would be loved my many of the players.

Wow, I’m personally impressed that the Pact was able to create a flying airship the size of a flipping Elder Dragon…

Necro – So Much Fear!

Otherwise I also like So Much Death

Darkbattlemage.9612:

Aethelbert.1497:

Honestly, when I look at people who have no drawing skills whatsoever, their works all look to me like ‘grawl painting’. It requires talent and skill to draw properly, and if you have no – you will always stuck somewhere in 3 years old level. Just because you don’t have the talent and wasn’t taught/self taught.

Problem Scarlet should already possess the skill to draw highly detailed pictures of various things, as evident by the detail put into her blueprints.

There definitely seems to be two kinds of drawings in Scarlet’s lair. Either you have drawings which are made when she is in a moment of clarity (marionette sword, drill, any type of schematic), and drawings made when she is just bat kitten crazy (the “eye of sauron”, tree with red thorns). The image of the dragon almost seems to be in-between. It seems to be much higher quality than the crazy drawings, just vastly abstracted.

Shiren.9532:

If Trahearne got a random sylvari girlfriend and she’s not adding anything to the story, do we really want to take time away from the Pact or the cleansing of Orr to watch them have a picnic or grow flowers? Can you imagine going through Orr and hearing Trahearne go on and on about his girlfriend? Or finish a mission and all his idle dialogue is about his girlfriend?

This won’t end well…

Seriously though, I don’t personally think any of the major romances detract from the storyline in the way that this Trahearne example would. I believe that if properly included and executed they could add rather than subtract from the depth of story.

I love how they put so much effort into something we never really see, lol.

Much of the plant-life in the brand has been branded, this is very visible in some zones, although I cannot tell which. It has been a few months since I mapped anything in the brand. In the books, it even mentions crystal grass breaking under foot. So plant-life can be branded, just not sylvari…

Well, they did meet in some instances of the Marionette event, although I’ll give it to ya that they probably didn’t have much time to talk. Still, it would be hard for me to believe that their egos would allow them to see each other as equals…

VIVorcha.7853:

There are basically no relationships in the game except for Logan/Jennah (which we barely see) and Faolain/Caithe, and those two other people who have absolutely no depth to their personalities.

Is there something wrong with wanting them to feature straight romances at least occasionally?

In response…

Visteri.3821:

In real life, usual estimates say that about 10% of the population is gay (supposedly about 20% say they’re “not straight,” but let’s be generous and keep it at the minimum number), and I think it’s safe to assume that that percentage would be the same in Tyria. However, the sylvari as a species are not capable of reproduction and view gender as irrelevant when it comes to love, therefore it would make sense if roughly 50% of sylvari pairings were gay.

So let’s make a list of every couple ever mentioned in GW2, as long as we are sure of their genders, and see if those numbers match up. Married or divorced, alive or dead, requited or unrequited (crushes and flirting count too)…all of them are here. At least, all I could find in my research.

The ones marked 1 on the list had their romances mentioned in one or more full cutscenes, the ones marked 2 were mentioned elsewhere in the living or personal story, the ones marked 3 were mentioned in events and hearts, and the ones marked 4 were mentioned in flavor text, NPC chatter out in the world, optional NPC conversations, or out-of-game writings (short stories, etc.).

Sylvari same-sex pairings:
1. Caithe and Faolain
Dagdar and Eladus
3. Cymbel and Nia (Nia says they’re friends, but it seems like they have stronger feelings than that)
4. Roardina and one of the festival-goers

Sylvari hetero pairings:
1. Morrigu and Leurent
Tiachren and Ysvelta
Gairwen and Evart
4. Variella and Hanar
Lintoina and Garrett
Leanuit and Santach
Erisdae and her partner
A citizen and his love in Ronan’s Bower
Two sylvari citizens in the Garden of Night

Non-sylvari same-sex pairings:
2. Marjory and Kasmeer
3. Linnea and a female player character
4. Fronis and her mate
Saldis and her girlfriend
Wjerd and Fibharr
Exiffa and her partner

Non-sylvari hetero pairings:
1. Jennah and Logan
Kazz and Doxa
Tonn and Ceera
Ralena and Vassar
Snarl and Galina
2. Eir and Borje
Braham and Ottilia
Ottilia and Ebbe
Rox and Nonus
Peneloopee and Bloomanoo
Merri and Fel
Lyrica and Ewan
Lyrica and Oswald
Oswald and Zola
Oswald and Henrietta
Oswald and Estrella
Oswald and 4 other women
Fenn and Maisie
Rufus and his wife
Faren and Jasmina
Minister and Lady Wi
Deborah and Beirne
Elli and Zott
Senna and her partner
Caudecus and his wife
Doern and his wife
Forgal and his wife
Citizen that Faren hits on and her husband
Bartender in “Desperate Medicine” and his wife
Uptown Johnny and a female player character
3. Dwayna and Malchor
Cassie and Mepi
Wrelk and Broga
Jaden and Aaron
Remi and Trundle
Famke and Wjerd (unconfirmed)
Pier and Esmet
Levvi and Blingg
Harlow and Dotta
Kalle and Aldis
Eda and her husband
Myr and her husband
Kimber and her husband
Webb and his wife
Gareth and his wife
Traveling noble and her husband
Kevach and a female player character
Linnea and a male player character
4. Eir and Krennak (his dialogue suggests they had something)
Yngvi and Brynhildr
Aggren and Marcela
Gwen and Keiran
Althea and Rurik
Via and Feros
Knut and Gaerta
Bandito and Seraphette
Lord and Lady Marduke
Nellie and Caden
Dugh and Amaybel
Jorge and Bethsha
Diah and Jeb
Russ and Cicely
Welkin and Alicia
Gunther and Ine
Cobiah and Isaye
Tessa and Logan
Citizen in Rurikton and Tessa
Weyandt and at least 4 of the 12-ish people he married, if not all of them
Eliza and her husband
Arlo and his wife
Kol and his “woman”
Lyasa and her husband
Watchful Moon and his wife
Vollym and his wife
Dessa and her boyfriend
Brother-in-law of the citizen in District Promenade and his wife
Citizen who talks to the Priest of Lyssa in DR and the woman he loves
Noble in Ossan Quarter and his wife
Enthusiastically married couple in Ascalon Settlement
Refugee steadholder and her mate (unknown gender but they had children)
Guard formerly of Blue Ice Shining and his/her mate (unknown genders but they had children)
Everyone’s parents

That makes 31% of sylvari relationships and 6% of non-sylvari relationships. So.

Is that enough hetero relationships for ya? Did ya notice the introduction of Rox’s deceased mate? There are hetero relationships around, people just don’t look for them apparently…

Hey,

I was recently playing through the personal story again with a friend, and for some reason the game chose us the wrong path. In the Personal Story Light in the Darkness, where you choose your worst fear, we chose the “let an innocent die” storyline, similarly at the end of the Forging the Pact, Trahearne mentioned the ship that needs destroyed (a the main goal of the “let an innocent die” story), but the next story it sent us to was the start of the Apatia storyline…

Usually I wouldn’t worry about it, but thus far it’s my friend’s third time through the story (the first two running the Apatia storyline) and he wanted to try something new, but even after doing everything right we get shoved onto the wrong path. So… is there anything that can be done?

I was personally hoping that the alliances would break down and we would see some of the results from that, perhaps even while Scarlet is still around. That way as we are destroying her everything that she has worked to build is falling apart, sort of the complete and total destruction route.

I had thought of a few scenarios that would make sense coming from these alliances (specifically Toxic alliance because they made the least sense to me). One such scenario had the krait starting a civil war between factions of the Oratuss, those that had allowed them to be duped by Scarlet and those who wish to return them to their absolute roots of pure evil, perhaps even specifically targeting the Nightmare Court as a enemy.

In my mind, it could make sense for the Aetherblades and the Inquest to stay together. I mean, the inquest pay them to assault areas in order to receive goods/discoveries, or even have the Aetherblades run tests for them on areas of the map for pay. I can’t think of a reason for these two to separate as long as there is profit to be made for both.

As for the Molten Alliance, it will probably depend on how the other factions of dredge and flame legion think about them. We haven’t really seen any interaction between molten alliance and flame legion or moletariate dredge or rebel dredge, there could be any number of scenarios happening between all of those groups.

I was going to say, nothing ever stated that Kralkatorrik went over Ebonhawke, only that lightning from his storm shattered the wall of the keep, allowing his minions in. As to why a second pass over his minions would kill them, perhaps the concentrations of magic used the second time were high enough to have a negative effect on even those creatures he controlled? IDK.

I don’t know that concept art can be taken as lore, persay. But as of now nearly any of those options have credibility, although I would say it’s far more likely that he breathed a cone-like magic rather than farted…

I was aware, during the battle, that it appeared a Tequatl was similar in size to one of the heads coming out of his mouth, but I couldn’t tell if it was distance effecting me or not. I’m glad to know I was right. Still, as massive as he is, he is still a disappointment compared to the concept art, however impossible the concept art may have been to duplicate in a battle scenario.

Yeah, personally, after seeing the concept art for Zhaitan the in game model was disappointing, lol. I mean the image of this mountain sized monster with airships attacking it left quite a bit of expectation compared to the reality.

Did anyone else almost want to cry watching that preview video? I mean mixing the GW1 krytan music with serene pictures of Lion’s Arch brought back so much nostalgia of the area, only to watch scenes of it’s destruction and the devastation right afterwards? I think I felt my heart ripped out…

But not a mass murdering egocentric prick. I said it’s possible, not that it was what was going to happen. I mean for Alia, they had to take her all the way back to being a naive child for the redemption, who is to say that they couldn’t revert Scarlet back to a naive curious Ceara who regrets her actions.

zwierz.9012:

Prophet Pass – or whatever was the place called in GW1, where one could create a bridge to the Mists and enter Hall of Heroes – It certainly could be a fitting place, except the way I see it, it has Kralkie sitting on top of it. From ones you named, Thalador I would say it’s the best competitor for a major ley line crossing for LA AND it has an Elder Dragon sitting on top of it.

Are you thinking Augury Rock? Or the Tomb of Primeval Kings? I had always thought Augury Rock was supposed to take us into the Mists, but technically speaking it merely took us to the Tomb of Primeval Kings, which is where the entrance was… Hmm…

Dakota.4591:

zwierz.9012:

Artesian Waters – Alright, this might be a good cometitor for LA… Place where gods first stood on Tyria. But does it mean ley lines cross there? Hard to say, plus Zhaitan was residing nearby, quite possible he drained the places magic, and even if not, there is no tales of recurring, cyclical phenomena.

From what I remember from a few dev posts read some long ways ago, there’s nothing explicitly magical about the Artesian Waters. It’s basically just the source of groundwater in Orr. Zhaitan used it to help his corruption more quickly flow throughout the island, and Traherne did the same thing. It’s source of magic came from Zhaitan, not the ley lines, but I suppose it’s always possible there’s a line running near.

I want to say that I heard dialogue somewhere that the Artesian Waters had enough magic to attract the gods to Tyria, from wherever they resided in the Mists. So, the Artesian Waters definitely had magic to them.

Part of me has to wonder if Vorpp was wrong in his assumption that she brought something that was already within her, or alternatively if the Dream isn’t much more vast and connected to the Sylvari than we know. I mean, it sounds like something more than a Dragon in my mind when the Pale Tree’s talking about those forces.

CharrGirl.7896:

Even if we don’t kill Scarlet and Ceara lives on, I think she is past any redemption. I mean after all the kitten she has done the only path left for her is to rot in some jail cell or at the far end of our swords.

I disagree. I’m personally seeing a close resemblance to Saint Alia Atreides, of Dune. I very much disliked her near the end, then her old personality came out a killed itself in order to prevent the personality of Baron Harkonnen winning control. She was very much redeemed at the end.

Size from the previous game doesn’t necessarily matter. It could be a situation where the models change between games, much like other creatures throughout the world (Giants anyone?). Because the undead from Guild Wars Prophecies were never shown to have undead that were “crafted” for lack of a better word, it would make sense that at one point in time Orr did have dragons, and it would be possible for Zhaitan to make use of them. I have to wonder, though, what kind of dragons they may have been, since we have no historical evidence of their existence thus far.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

I thought this topic would be about how completely broken conditions are in PVE. Color me disappointed.

I thought so too. Right there with you….

BrotherBelial.3094:

Narcemus.1348:

I’m certain they have a plan for them somewhere, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it had to do with the Zephyrites, who are the inheritors of the Brotherhood of the Dragon, who were the dwarven protectors of Glint/Children.

They are? I didn’t know that. I must have missed that part of the lore.

If you talked to certain NPC’s or listened to the dialogue you could piece everything together. Most people were busier grabbing sky crystals, jumping off the sanctum or (like me) taking screen shots of everything, lol.

Tanith.5264:

During the “A Moment’s Peace” (I think that’s what it was called) instance in LA Rox tells Braham that “We have to talk about it sooner or later!” Braham makes an excuse about cleaning his gear and stalks off.

So, what is “it”? A lot of people are assuming it’s a romantic entanglement, but it could be anything. His apparently troubled relationship (there’s that kitten word again) with his mother. His hairstyle. Ham. Who knows?

I’m pretty sure that the “it” they are talking about is the fight they are having about her joining the Stone Warband and leaving everyone (himself included) behind. That is what their fight prior to that sentence was about anyways.

I’m certain they have a plan for them somewhere, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it had to do with the Zephyrites, who are the inheritors of the Brotherhood of the Dragon, who were the dwarven protectors of Glint/Children.

I would say not, unless ArenaNet made a massive change to the model of the baby dragon. It was significantly smaller, different coloration, and it was a solid being, unlike the Shatterer, which seems to be more like a source of magic holding together pieces of rock and crystal.

What I personally hate is the good possibility that if anything happens it will end up in the destruction of the remains of the old Lion’s Arch below the sea. It is right next to where the “green probe” is and we might lose that forever, much like the original Lion’s Gate lighthouse. (I was really glad to get screen pics of that light house before it was destroyed.)

Idk, personally this release is one of my favorite in a long time, although I have to agree that the content itself is really fast. I cannot say that I dislike that though. I mean I much prefer 1 hour of content that drops this much information and character development then two weeks of achievement grinding for next to no new information or character development. I agree there might be a happy medium somewhere, but this is a step in the right direction in my book.

Well Konig,

Ellen is screaming about an imminent attack to the Council in LA, they just aren’t listening. She tells us this after you’ve finished the story.

MatthewMedina.5419:

I’m confident that our storytelling in this format will get better and better as a result!

I personally would say that this release and the last are proof that it already has gotten much better

Volstag.6371:

Anyone consider that Scarlet replaced the entire captains counsel with Memsered Watchknights?

No, basically because watchknights haven’t used their mesmer capabilities since they were corrupted. Part of me always assumed that whatever Scarlet did to hijack them corrupted that capability.

One thing I want to point out that I found interesting.

When talking about Scarlet only taking in what she had with her into Omadd’s experiment, Vorpp said that he cannot speculate too much further without more information on how the Dream works. Perhaps Ceara’s connection to the Dream allowed her to still bring in something other than herself…

I am hoping that this brings new light into how the Dream works in some sense, we have been speculating about it for a year now :P.

Well, the rest of the captain’s council is obviously working for Scarlet. They’ve been offered positions of power in her new regime :P

I’d agree. Overall, this patch seems to have some of the best conversation, dialogues, and all around character portrayal that we’ve seen in a long time. It gives me a lot of hope for how stories will be working out in the near future.

True, but they aren’t quite the same. Still, you are probably right.

Hydras have always made sense to me. They were only prevalent in Ascalon when it was a desolate place. It would make sense that they would migrate away once life started coming back, probably consolidating back in the Crystal Desert (where they were also prominent. As for the Aloes, reed stalkers, and all other kinds of vegetables that tried to eat us, we can only hope that they are still trying to make a living in the Maguuma Wastes, similar to how I hope that the dinosaurs and simians are trying to survive in the outskirts of Asura/Sylvari society in the western-most reaches of the Tarnished Coast.

MatthewMedina.5419:

Narcemus.1348:

I love it when old threads are re-animated necro-style :P I would definitely say that I’ve got a good feeling that they have SOMETHING planned for this. It just doesn’t seem like them to throw out a thread like this without something behind it. I mean there are dozens of other monster types missing that have no mention whatsoever.

Hrm. I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade but I’ll have to take the blame for inflating this beyond what it is. At the time I was creating the content in Black Citadel, everyone was abuzz about waves of “mysterious” bird deaths and thinking it was a sign of something apocalyptic, when in every case the deaths were quite ordinary and not notable.

When I thought about the absence of gargoyles from the areas of Ascalon where they used to live in large numbers (which, as a player, is a detail I would have noticed), I wanted to say something about it, but without saying what actually happened to them. With the conversation on the scholar in the Black Citadel, I didn’t set out to answer that question as much as I wanted to explore how some people in Tyria, just as they do in real life, respond when presented with things in nature they don’t have an explanation for.

Gargoyles and Mergoyles have disappeared, and at least one person is looking into it. Whether we expand on that story in the future comes down to whether the story of their absence is interesting enough to be worth exploring, and fits in with other stories we want to tell.

That is slightly disappointing, lol. I do hope that it comes forward with some interesting storylines though

I was thinking recently about how Scarlet plans to attack Lion’s Arch, and it hit me. Scarlet is gonna have involvement in the Edge of the Mists map in the coming update. The edge of me mists has at least some connection to WvW which connects directly to Lion’s Arch. What if Scarlet’s plan is to go through the WvW gates and attack Fort Marriner from the inside?

Sorry if this possibility has already been brought up. I haven’t been reading the forums as thoroughly as I usually do :P

I love it when old threads are re-animated necro-style :P I would definitely say that I’ve got a good feeling that they have SOMETHING planned for this. It just doesn’t seem like them to throw out a thread like this without something behind it. I mean there are dozens of other monster types missing that have no mention whatsoever.

In Sea of Sorrows we see that all kinds of risen receive extra/new extremities, tentacles for arms, being the first example that comes to mind. Not only that, but we see risen sewing together abominations in the “factory” where some risen were created. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the wings were just fabrications.

My point is merely that the likelihood is extremely low. No one can say it will never happen because absolutes rarely exist, but the odds are very well against it.

I was kind of surprised that they didn’t even really play a part in the Sea of Sorrows. I could have sworn they were somehow involved in the creation of the new Lion’s Arch, but this doesn’t seem to have been the case. As an order, they kind have seemed to slipped down the totem pole in terms of importance.

Darkbattlemage.9612:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Your point?

My point is that until ArenaNet ends the Guild Wars franchise there is a possibility, however slight or unlikely to some, that ArenaNet may very well bring Abaddon back from the grave or any of his minions.

There’s also the chance, however slight, that the Elder Dragons and gods will ally together and fly around Tyria as great God Dragon Rider Overlords holding the Tyrians to their will. This is why the gods and the dragons line up so well.

@ Konig: I know they gods and dragons don’t line up. I added that line in order to reinforce the heavy dripping sarcasm.