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I'm Calling It Now... Abbadon

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I would have to agree with Konig in many aspects of this discussion. Magic is very prevalent in many locations, seeping from the ground at springs and wells, crystals, and caverns. My thought on the matter is that, in all likelihood, they Leylines are merely paths of least resistance that magic flows through within the soil of Tyria. Basically, IMO, paths that lead magic away from the Elder Dragons (who we are told seep magic back into Tyria while sleeping) and out to permeate the planet. There’s no proof of this yet, obviously because we’ve been literally just told that they exist and nothing else, but some of the connections here do exist.

It makes sense to me that if the Abaddon fractal had been made, that it would probably have been about the Leylines as well, assuming they become an integral part of Scarlet’s story. I mean, at his fall, Abaddon’s body was thrown down to Tyria and almost destroyed causing the Crystal Sea to turn into a desert, and the place of his fall to become a desolation. Now, up until now, we’ve assumed the transformation of the land came from the impact and his own raw magic, but it’s not crazy to assume that his fall cracked open a Leyline, releasing it’s magic into the environment and wreaking havoc.

New pale tree dialogue?

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Hmmm, wasn’t there a topic on here earlier discussing the possibility of Scarlet having been possessed by a demon? I’m not saying that she is… but this sheds some possibility on the matter.

There is no “demons” in GW2 world.

Um, imps are demons…

And we already know from GW1 that Demons are out there. So I don’t know what you were trying to prove.

Why five extra days? (A terrifying theory)

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Well, there’s definite reason to assume that the span between the previous rise and now could well have been screwed up. I mean, the races were able to prematurely force the ED’s into hibernation, and with the gods’ use of the bloodstone the magic that they needed was flowing back into the world. The last rise was a complete disaster, if we’re to believe that every time prior they consumed all magic and destroyed near all life forms.

Kessex Hills Tower Ruins Cleanup

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Yeah, it seems likely to me the inclusion of crows would just be an effect of the massive level of destruction and death seen by the toxic alliance. I mean, I know when I watched the cinematic, loads of Toxic Alliance outside of the tower were killed, but that doesn’t include the hundreds (if not thousands lorewise) found within the tower. I mean those guys were blown out of the tower and crushed by the debris. Crows will have plenty to gorge themselves on.

Kessex Hills Tower Ruins Cleanup

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The remains of the tower and roots are still around. The air is cleaned up, and there is some more greenery where there was only black ground, but not much. There are individuals cutting at the roots and the tower pieces, so I would say they will probably eventually clean things up.

Why five extra days? (A terrifying theory)

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Ooookay

*Puts hands up and slowly slinks away hoping not to be noticed

New pale tree dialogue?

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Hmmm, wasn’t there a topic on here earlier discussing the possibility of Scarlet having been possessed by a demon? I’m not saying that she is… but this sheds some possibility on the matter.

Are the Dragons weakening magic?

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True, I mean, the Elder Dragons were obviously not empty of magic when they awoke. I mean a magically impotent Zhaitan couldn’t just raise all of Orr at a whim. So with all of the magic that was still in their bodies at awakening poured into the world, on top of the already high magic levels (compared to Guild Wars 1) it’s interesting what could happen. I do want to point out though…

The Crystal Desert and Desolation were created by an after-effect of God magic, which is inherently different from Tyrian magic in some senses. Because of this, it may or may not be a good example. As for the Searing, Cataclysm, and Jade Wind, these were all rituals intended for the devastating effects that they created. That does not necessarily mean that magic concentrations are evil. It’s like saying nuclear power is bad because of the bombs it can create, while ignoring the energy that it can generate. From what I can see, magic is inherently neutral, and is taken one way or another by the individuals that use it.

My personal opinion, which is not as entertaining as some, is that magical levels will merely increase, allowing magic users to continue to be viable in a time of guns and machines. I could be completely wrong, and ArenaNet is free to go it’s own way, but this is how I feel.

Why five extra days? (A terrifying theory)

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With wings made from beautiful nebula and a tiny pair of speedos with a butterfly on the groin! Say his name with love! PAPILLON! Oh, wait, that’s also pretty terrifying.

That’s the only scary thing other than a butchery of lore mentioned in this thread thus far.

Where can you run? You think Rata Sum can just float away into orbit? Much less even sustain a population enclosed entirely within?

Into the Mists.

The constellations don’t hold souls, as they are celestial bodies themselves and it is their physical replicas (starlight), avatars we fight – they are spirits in no way. They are named after legendary people and represent various aspects of the Mists, namely the ones that became their destiny.

Ohrly?

“Once when humans first walked the world, a man named Chong embodied these virtues, and when the end of his years came, the gods wished to elevate him as a celestial animal. Because he shared those virtues with a humble pig, he chose that as his celestial form. So this year at Shing Jea Monastery, his celestial form descends from the heavens for a great feast. You should not miss it…it will be twelve years before he comes again.”

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Lorespinner_Ri_So

Yes, they are souls indeed. Yes, they do descend. During Nahpui Quarter – those are mere reflections indeed. But Canthan New Year are the celestial beings themselves that descend, and they are indeed souls of the dead elevated into the stars. No reason for the other four to not be the same, even if they do not descend.

Wow! I may have been right???

Why five extra days? (A terrifying theory)

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I’m sorry Thal, but the wording of the descriptors of each celestial lead me to believe that each celestial was the embodiment of the person mentioned. If there is text elsewhere that contradicts this, then by all means I’ll admit that I’m wrong, but I do not remember it. Nevertheless, I stand by my statement that the way in which celestials interact with the world, specifically Cantha, sets the Outer Space of Tyria apart from RL Outer Space.

Why five extra days? (A terrifying theory)

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It would be an interesting theory. We know for a fact that the Outer Space in Tyria is, at least, slightly different from Outer Space irl. We gain this from Factions, where we learn that certain constellations of stars hold the souls of various humans (and possibly other races). And on top of that, celestial beings (similar to the others) came down from the heavens and blessed Cantha every year. So there is something else to outer space, and I, for one, am interested to explore exactly what is going on out there. My favorite theory is that Outer Space is merely a void between Tyria and the Mists.

Are the races just DnD attributes?

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Sylvari and Humans both fit certain Elf types. The Sylvari definitely fit the nature involved side of elves, but they are young. Humanity has much more of the Tolkien-esque feel of the dying elder race. As to tengu, they always seemed more like Samurai to me, due to their code of honor.

The Origins of Madness

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Thank you Konig, for explaining my point before I could get on.

Connecting the dots DO NOT TOUCH towers.

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Because straight lines already make a crapload of possibilities, curved lines, you just made them infinite. You are probably correct though, I would be surprised as heck if the lines were straight and perfect.

The Origins of Madness

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GW1 didn’t have large zerging mobs either, because it was a completely different style of game, lol.

Still I get your point. I personally love a highly political and dramatic story, they just need to have (as you said) some sort of reward or incentive to get the zergers to leave their stations for 10 minutes and get involved, lol. I really, really want this to happen, but my worry is that there are too many other voices on the opposite end of the spectrum (storyless, farming, gear grind)

What's wrong with Logan?

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I think a vast majority of the separation seen in game is politics. From what I’ve heard, during one of the personal stories she actually admits to loving Logan, but is unable to show it publicly because of a multitude of reasons. Being unmarried as a royal opens you up to marriages for power/stability, and marrying a commoner could degrade the way that the nobility look at her. I agree that it may not have been explained/shown in the proper way, but a lot of it does make sense. It reminds me a lot of Dune, in the sense that there is always a lot more love between the main characters and their concubines than their own wives, who are merely means to more power.

What's wrong with Logan?

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I’m pretty certain that Ree had mentioned the spell bond and that it merely connected them, allowing her to communicate with him. It was in no way, shape or form a mind-control system. It was just a scenario where he had to choose between trying to save his love or risking her. He chose what he saw as the lesser of two evils. He could live with himself if the dragon survived but she did too. He couldn’t live with himself if they killed the dragon, but she died in the process. Sure it may be selfish, but it is also very human.

What's wrong with Logan?

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I’m imagining scenes from Silent Hill in Thal’s description of the “disturbing ways” we kill Scarlet.

The Origins of Madness

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Watchknights, killing 10000 humans for every 1 human it protects. Great success!

That’s why Queen Jeenah should abdicate her throne. Her “gift to humanity” failed big time. She cannot run this nation.

She may have better luck as a mesmer fighting for the Pact.

That’s like saying YOU should be punished, because a thief stole your car, and then he or she proceeded to try and mow down as many innocent people as they could.

Ok let’s go to an alternative universe on Earth, in Japan 1940. The battleship Yamato has just been completed. The demigod emperor was making a public speech in front of tens of thousands of civilians, about how Yamato will protect their nation.

Suddenly the Yamato turn its 45 calibre guns toward the crowd and open fire. In an hour thousands of civilians were killed.

It turns out the Yamato malfunctioned. Its computers (remember, alternative universe) has an error that identified the crowd as a threat.

Of course by logic the demigod emperor will loss support. His promise of protection was broken as soon as he made that promise, literally less than 5 minutes after he made that promise. The very weapon that was introduced ends up killing thousands of civilians before it ever protected anybody.

The only way the emperor won’t loss support would be that he is viewed as a demigod. And the Japanese subjects have 100% unquestioning loyalty to him.

Here is the problem: Queen Jennah is not a demigod queen.

Yeah, you forgot to mention that Americans hijacked the system and forced it to shoot on the populace.

You are making it sound like the system just malfunctioned, which is not the case. The Watchknights would have been great at their jobs if there hadn’t been a malicious force trying to corrupt their systems.

If Queen Jennah said, “Yay Watchknights!” and they started massacring the populace with no outside influence, then yeah, it would be her fault. But the real situation isn’t that way.

Yes by equivalent it would have been the Americans who “hijacked” the Yamato. However it is a FACT that 5 minutes after the emperior introduced the Yamato, the Yamato started killing civilians.

In GW2, it is a FACT that 5 minutes after the Queen introduced the watchknights, the watchknights started killing civilians.

This is a fact. Many people saw this.

And yes this is a political gold mine for Caudecus. His propaganda machines will have a very fun time.

Once again, the truth rarely matters in politics. And this is especially true during war and chaotic times. Propaganda (by Caudecus) against a mostly uneducated population (e.g. medieval) is easy.

Actually you are a little wrong here. In the opening ceremony we had one watchknight attack and attempt to kill Logan. This was when Queen Jennah introduced them to the populace. If we go off of a real world time-scale (which ArenaNet seems to prefer) we had two weeks of perfectly working Watchknights before they were hijacked, not 5 minutes. Similarly, although there were loads of deaths, I do not remember seeing anywhere that there were 10’s of thousands dead. I think you need to stop exaggerating quite so much. Was there perhaps a lack of foresight and planning? Perhaps so, but how do you plan against a complete unknown? For all we know, Queen Jennah had people working night and day trying to prevent any further tampering with the Watchknights before they were finally hijacked. It is just that, we are not privy to all of the information about what was going on, not even Logan was.

I mean, if you want to state that Caudecus will try to use this against Queen Jennah, you might be right, but I highly doubt it will succeed. If anything, Caudecus’ inclusion in an event like that would mean that we, the players, would be siding with Jennah and avidly fighting against Caudecus’ political schemes. The real question is whether ArenaNet thinks a political scandal would be intriguing enough for players without dungeons/zergs/farming. I know many players who would, but there are thousands that just love zerging.

The Origins of Madness

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Watchknights, killing 10000 humans for every 1 human it protects. Great success!

That’s why Queen Jeenah should abdicate her throne. Her “gift to humanity” failed big time. She cannot run this nation.

She may have better luck as a mesmer fighting for the Pact.

That’s like saying YOU should be punished, because a thief stole your car, and then he or she proceeded to try and mow down as many innocent people as they could.

Ok let’s go to an alternative universe on Earth, in Japan 1940. The battleship Yamato has just been completed. The demigod emperor was making a public speech in front of tens of thousands of civilians, about how Yamato will protect their nation.

Suddenly the Yamato turn its 45 calibre guns toward the crowd and open fire. In an hour thousands of civilians were killed.

It turns out the Yamato malfunctioned. Its computers (remember, alternative universe) has an error that identified the crowd as a threat.

Of course by logic the demigod emperor will loss support. His promise of protection was broken as soon as he made that promise, literally less than 5 minutes after he made that promise. The very weapon that was introduced ends up killing thousands of civilians before it ever protected anybody.

The only way the emperor won’t loss support would be that he is viewed as a demigod. And the Japanese subjects have 100% unquestioning loyalty to him.

Here is the problem: Queen Jennah is not a demigod queen.

Yeah, you forgot to mention that Americans hijacked the system and forced it to shoot on the populace.

You are making it sound like the system just malfunctioned, which is not the case. The Watchknights would have been great at their jobs if there hadn’t been a malicious force trying to corrupt their systems.

If Queen Jennah said, “Yay Watchknights!” and they started massacring the populace with no outside influence, then yeah, it would be her fault. But the real situation isn’t that way.

Random thoughts

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I don’t know about the possibility of Melandru creating the sylvari. To be honest, it is so open ended that it could go either way. We just have no information on the subject.

I don’t think that Balthazar would have created the charr though, as he looked at the humans and told them that they should go our and conquer/kill all the other races (charr included).

As for Abaddon, his gift of magic lead to widespread slaughter on all fronts for humanity and all the other races, though humanity did start losing (by the sounds of it). I would think he would realize his mistake, seeing as keeping magic available would lead to the death of most life before the dragons even awoke. Instead, he fought his brethren because of them taking it away.

Anyways, overall, most life seems to be completely un-tied to the gods, minus humanity. Abaddon’s actions were selfish in the end. And also, margonites were once humans. Being infused with Abaddon’s magic is what made them immortal and sterile.

Living Story recap livestream

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… I personally think that being unable to see this side of her has lead to some of the disbelief of how she has been able to accomplish what she has done, even if you have well thought out explanations for it. I guess us players always like to see to believe, which isn’t always a bad thing.

I get it. We have learned a lot over the past year. When we first started this story, we had to choose where to begin, and we chose to begin with the refugees coming down from the Shiverpeaks because we had limited time to build it and we wanted to begin at a compelling dramatic moment. This relegated Scarlet’s backstory to being just that: backstory. Over the course of the arc, we’ve tried to give you that backstory to the best of our abilities (within our limitations), but I understand that it’s not the same as seeing it for yourselves.

Fortunately, now that we’re in the midst of the story, we won’t have to start things in mid-stream anymore, and we’ll be mindful of creating potential blindspots.

I’m sorry if my response came out as somewhat critical…

I have actually been relatively happy with the living story stuff thus far storywise. I was a bit disappointed with the mechanics in both Aetherblade dungeons, but that isn’t your area per say. And I won’t deny that I was originally angry at the idea that the Krait allied with someone, but I’ve since then made peace with the how and why (I won’t deny that part of the reason I was angry is that I had bet against Scarlet’s involvement and lost gold because of it :P). I want to note that, personally, I loved Flame and Frost. Even when it was something as small as refugees and signposts. I loved it because it was something new, something changing, but it gave some time for anticipation to build. Sure, I’ll agree, it may have been too long, but it is closer to the pace that I enjoyed. I’m one of those people that loves to get caught up in the hype of a story. When War in Kryta came out I was checking all of the pages daily (well 3 times a day) to see if there was another message, or one of Murro’s journal entries. I enjoyed being forced to wait in order to live out the story at the pace of life, in a sense. Of course, Flame and Frost was beat out by the Zephyrites, mainly because the Zephyrites integrated lore from GW1, and there has been so little of that in the Living Story so far that it was a definite breath of fresh air.

I guess what I’m trying to say, after talking for hours about off topic stuff lol, is that I’m actually pleased with Scarlet hiding in the background near the beginning, and how she was introduced in a sense. I just wish that perhaps her dialogue had hinted at her silver-tongued trait when she talked with us. At least a little bit. I always find it enjoyable/entertaining when the “evil character” tries to “Grima Wormtongue” their way into the player’s minds and make them doubt their actions. I think that is some part of why I enjoyed Winds of Change content so well. Our character was duped, and had to live with the consequences of their actions.

Anyways, I do want to say that there has definitely been some improvement in the way the living world works, and I am happy with where things are going (according to my speculation). You should all keep up the good work!

Theorycrafting on Scarlet

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That does pose an interesting theory into how the Gate Network may indeed work. I think there is the possibility that, unknowingly, the asura have tapped their Gate Network into the leylines, similarly to how they originally tapped their gate network into Primordus. There’s too much room for possibilities there, though, because we know next to nothing about the nature of these leylines.

The Metronome

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(especially since we’re told no dragons were harmed in the making of scarlet’s story)

That’s a good thing too, because otherwise ArenaNet would be bombarded by responses from TETEDM (Tyrians for the Ethical Treatment of Elder Dragons and Minions)

Living Story recap livestream

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Alright guys, Angel has posted a response to a question/comment. It’s time to bombard this single topic with 1,000 questions in hopes of getting at least one more response

One thing I want to ask, and I understand if you can’t answer, will we (the players) be able to see some of this silver-tongued aspect of Scarlet in game? I only ask because thus far Scarlet hasn’t necessarily tried to be that way with us, and so we see a lot more of her frivolousness, brutishness, and her high levels of confidence, but not the silver-tongued, highly tricksy side. I personally think that being unable to see this side of her has lead to some of the disbelief of how she has been able to accomplish what she has done, even if you have well thought out explanations for it. I guess us players always like to see to believe, which isn’t always a bad thing.

Are the Asura "evil"?

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I highly doubt the asura are any more evil than the charr or humans. They are simply of the belief that their race is superior and that if they ran the other races lives, the world would be better off. I do not believe that Rata Sum floating has anything to do with not being part of Tyria, I mean they have dozens of laboratories on land, and the city of Soren Draa, multiple inquest bases, and so forth. Not to mention, all of their ancestral land is located within the Depths of Tyria. I would say, if anything, that Rata Sum floats for one of two reasons, either:

1) They were mainly pushing the limits of science and magic to the limits and Rata Sum was born.

2) Rata Sum floats because of an engrained fear of once more being pushed out of their home. And the last time they were pushed out, it was by ground-bound flame creatures.

I’m sure there are other possibilties, but I doubt any of them lend to the race as being evil. There are evil members, like every other race, but labeling the whole race as such would be wrong.

Melandru Stalkers. . . ?

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After which Zhaitan’s flood supposedly drowned the whole Battle Isles…

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Question 1: Is there any information about the background of the Zephyrites that you can give me that hasn’t already been given? I’ve found myself thoroughly interested in the group ever since what I consider my favorite Living Story of 2013, mainly because of the tie in with the older GW lore. Examples: Where did they stayed before they took to the skies? What is their ethnic background? Etc. Etc.

Question 2: Will there be any repercussions for the Krait after the Toxic Alliance? I mean after being tricked by both Scarlet and their own Oratuss, I would think there could be opportunity for open warfare with Scarlet, possibly civil war, or even a “conservative” side of the Krait which decide to return to the pursuit of destroying all others, making them even more fierce and determined.

More as I come up with them!

Matthew Medina on Living Story questions

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It would have been a major loss had they left him behind and forgotten about. I’m hoping that Kiel’s investigations on the Consortium get turned to Canach and we, perhaps, become “chaperons” of his as we try and bust the Consortium or some sort of thing.

Melandru Stalkers. . . ?

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My thought on the subject, Ascalon was a wasteland. Easy prey had died out, and to stay in the territory meant fighting much harder prey for food. Perhaps there was a forced migration due to the poor living conditions. Now I know you could say, well then why didn’t they go east, and I can’t say why. It’s just a possibility.

Who owns Orr?

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You have to wonder if the Asura will even want their homelands back once Primordus is dead… I mean yeah, they’ll want the old files/research and possibly archaeological information , but who knows if they will be able to go back to living underground. Minus the whole devastation by dragon, they have had generations of their race above ground now. These aren’t the asura who pushed to find a way to bring the sky lower in Eye of the North anymore.

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Legend says something about Doric’s blood being needed to re-unite the Bloodstone. I find it highly unlikely that this would be her plan though. It just seems waaaaaaay too big…

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The waterfall not far from the edge of the ocean never made much sense to me. As much as I loved the stone heads…

@ArenaNet Will more GW1 Lore come to GW2?

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I think there is always a chance that some old lore may come to light. My favorite living story to date was the Zephyrites because of the fact that it connected Glint and the ancient dwarven Brotherhood to the present day. We didn’t get any full details, but it gave us new information and allowed us some room for speculation, which IMO is a perfect scenario.

Can the Pact make real tanks?

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Perhaps when the illusion was destroyed and the watchknight attacks with the purple beam from it’s hands, this is what was basically happening the whole time, but our minds were reading the scenario as a destroyer dropping a molten rock on our head.

Six Guns: All Smoke And Mirrors?

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I would say that the connection to Abaddon is non-existent only because of the appearance of the Shadow Army in GW1. These character models were all literally just white mantle models (armor and all) painted black with red eyes. Even though this happened, ArenaNet stated there was no connection, just re-use of old models. Now we come to GW2 time. The chaos beast is just a re-use of the Shade model which is a creature of the Underworld, not the Realm of Torment. Because of this, it seems very unlikely it could be tied to Abaddon, especially since players can summon them.

As to the magic. I don’t think that any of the magics came from the gods necessarily. Chaos magic, Illusion, and such just come naturally to the profession that was originally taught to early devotees to Lyssa. We’re not absolutely sure how the bloodstones worked, but one perspective has been that your mindset seems to determine the type of magic you can produce, in this case it would be the denial field of magic that mesmers are guessed at using.

I did just have an interesting thought that had never crossed my mind before, though, and if this hi-jacks your thread I will whole heartedly apologize and remove my post before creating my own topic. But we do not know exactly how magic worked in the past, before controlled and funneled through the bloodstones. In the past, different races seemed to have magical abilities different from each other, whereas now most every race can do the same things magically, it is just exceptional moments and individuals that do more. I just wondered about the possibility of the 4 fields of magic having originated from the magic of the 4 elder races that was trapped within the stone (as mursaat likely disappeared before having their magic stolen from them).

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By far, my favorite Mini-game in game. None of my friends agree with me, but I’ll sit there doing it all day while they’re yelling at me to run a dungeon or something…. Eh, we can do dungeons anytime!

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Yeah, if they had every creature that would populate an area there, then you would have dozens of creatures a step, lol.

"Rytlocks" sword: Sohothin

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I would say a magical object like Sohothin could easily have survived the eruption of the Abaddon’s Mouth. The real question is how it went from being there to in the hands of Rytlock.

Six Guns: All Smoke And Mirrors?

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Now instead we have replaced Abaddon’s 6 eyes with Kormir’s 0 eyes. This must be why the gods fully left. Each eye of Abaddon controlled an Elder Dragon, and without Abaddon around they had no way in which to control the Elder Dragons! This is why they didn’t kill Abaddon originally!

Bloodstone, First Gift of Magic for Human

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Wow you are so extremely off base it is crazy. Never have I, Konig, or Aaron stated that human sacrifice was okay. We all fought against the mursaat in our days of Guild Wars Prophecies. You are completely mis-reading the information and refusing to understand the true scenario. The Bloodstone was made, likely, years before humanity ever came to Tyria. Because of this, it would be insane to believe that the Seers created it to require human sacrifice. I mean how can they create something that requires sacrifice of a creature that doesn’t even exist in the world?

The bloodstones were USED to transfer souls to soul batteries by MURSAAT. This WAS NOT it’s original function. It’s original function was to hold or, after the gods shattered it, separate magic into fields. They never required human sacrifice. As Konig stated, nothing seems to state that King Doric died in the creation of the bloodstone, all that is said is some of his blood was used to seal it. Could be as simple as pricking a finger and putting a drop on there. I don’t understand what your trouble in comprehending is.

Are humans most advanced killers in Tyria?

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I don’t honestly believe that there would have been any happy end in a straight up war between a united charr legions and a united human kingdoms. IMO they were built so close to each other in terms of power that to ever get ahead one had to take advantage of some aspect of the other. For example, humanity only got as far ahead as it did because of the death of the Khan Ur and the following civil war amongst the charr. Similarly, should humanity have been better united against the initial fight from the Searing, I do not believe the charr success would have been as great as it was. In the end, charr vs humanity would have lead to both sides being practically wiped out, and whoever the victor, they would not have had much to celebrate.

Mordremoth's minions (confirmed at last?)

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Actually, we have no context for when Mordremoth awoke- or if he is awake. The only thing we have to go off of there is the rough “once every fifty years” model, which would either put him fifty years after the Pale Tree was planted and nearly two hundred before the sylvari began awakening, or yet to come more than fifty years after the sylvari began awakening and nearly three hundred after the Pale Tree was planted. Either way, though, the massive gap between the planting of the Tree and the awakening of the sylvari makes it hard to use Mordy’s awakening as a link to them- unless Mordy awoke before the Tree was planted.

Actually that is not technically true Aaron. As far as we’ve seen, the 50 year model isn’t based on from when their minions awoke, but instead based on each other. Primordus awakens, 45 years later Jormag awakens, 54 years later Zhaitan awakens, 51 years later DSD awakens, and 50 years later Kralkatorrik awakens. This means that for Mordremoth to follow the pattern of the others he would have to fit in 1 of 3 scenarios (assuming this pattern is legitimate).

1) He awoke before all the others, although this would retcon earlier words about Primordus being the first. There’s always the new lands and people didn’t know methodology.

2) He will awake last, which means it should be a loooooooooong time before he appears, I would say likely no less than 40 years. I say that because the number does not fluctuate more than +/-5.

3) He awoke at the same time as one of the other Elder Dragons and because of this his presence went unnoticed. I understand that this is unproven as even possible, but we only truly know of 4 out of a possible 6, and should the world expand there may be more.

Books on lore

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On the original Guild Wars wiki you can look up the plots of Guild Wars Prophecies, Factions, Nightfall, Eye of the North, and Beyond. Beyond was content they added between the release of Eye of the North and Guild Wars 2 in order to bridge the gaps between games. There are also loads of articles under the category of Lore. Any and all of those can be good references, and if you ever need information on a name or location, most of them have references to wiki pages of their own. You see the Guild Wars Wiki has been out for years and it had many, many people working hard to get it to the level it’s at today. Not me, persay, but I still appreciate their work.

Six Guns: All Smoke And Mirrors?

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Oh lord…………….

Six Guns: All Smoke And Mirrors?

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Zhaitan’s immobility is probably not so much forced, but based on the fact that there is so much concentration of magic in Orr that he doesn’t need to move. I mean almost 100 years after he awakens we still see him finding artifacts in Orr to consume.

Can the Pact make real tanks?

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Human tanks would be pretty though!

Square mountains lore question

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Yeah, I’d say the existence of all of those mountains is to be taken lightly, if anything. I mean in GW1 there was a mountain range between Ascalon Settlement and Nebo Terrace and now there is a river. The best answer is that you just have to play it by ear how you treat them.

Does lore matter?

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What? Someone going insane only because they are leading a dying people in a post apocalyptic wasteland with no heir to take your place when you die? Why would that happen? :P

You could argue it was triggered by Abaddon’s influence, but I don’t personally see what goal Abaddon would fulfill by setting that up. I mean the searing of Ascalon was in order to get to and destroy Arah, but if he had succeeded the Foefire would likely have hurt rather than helped him, unless he could have wrangled those spirits to being under his control.

Six Guns: All Smoke And Mirrors?

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Fine, but their existence as gods before arriving lends credence to their magic likely originating from another source. And likely, should a large source of magic appear before the dragons went into hibernation, you would think it would cause the dragons to try for one last meal.