Guild Wars 2

Jaetara.4075:

OMG Necros are so OP right now, they kill in seconds and if not they just cannot die, they can tank 3 people and kill 1 of them, I saw it in many different matches, it is CRAZY! They are constantly on Death shroud dealing insane damage. They are so broken, so OP, I used to win them 1v1 80% of the times now I kill only some noobs… this is just sakitten

he only one who thinks this is hyperbole?

I run curse, spite, bm with 2 signets on bar and 2 wells. I guess it could be a little difficult to get 4 stacks without curses…. but at the moment I have no trouble proccing it, and in fights I’m usually sitting at around 15-25 might.

Belial.9350:

NeXeD.3042:

Belial.9350:

choovanski.5462:

EU has better commentators.

Hilarious. 10/10.

NeXeD.3042:

Hey remember when NA had no chance against EU in the first WTS? How’d that go anyway?

Hey remember when Abjured were gonna win the most recent (and therefore most relevant) WTS? How’d that go anyway?

They lost.. lol. Last WTS isn’t relevant, neither is the 1st one. Was merely pointing out to the people who think EU is always better than NA that its not true.

So you gauge the better region by picking one team from each region? Pick any more than 1 (top 2/3/4/5) and I think you’ll find you get different results.

I don’t gauge the regions against each other. Lol. That’s my point.

“Well EU has better teams”

how do you know that? What works there might get pooped on somewhere else.

Too many variables for me to be a fan boy of either side.

Belial.9350:

choovanski.5462:

EU has better commentators.

Hilarious. 10/10.

NeXeD.3042:

Hey remember when NA had no chance against EU in the first WTS? How’d that go anyway?

Hey remember when Abjured were gonna win the most recent (and therefore most relevant) WTS? How’d that go anyway?

They lost.. lol. Last WTS isn’t relevant, neither is the 1st one. Was merely pointing out to the people who think EU is always better than NA that its not true.

I do not beleive MM is the strongest necro build in pvp right now. My bm,spite,curse wells signet build will out tank it and out dps it. Signet builds are our strongest build especially since they fixed stab corruptions.

What exactly did door breakers prioritize before?

Hey remember when NA had no chance against EU in the first WTS? How’d that go anyway?

Oh wait there are already chill threads?

I would actually say final thrust and fire grab are actually pretty similiar in how hard they are to land….

Oh noes now we have figured out his supah secwet build!! Guess I can stop spectating hotjoins to steal his build.

Krileon.8913:

I’ve been running MM soldier for a bit now. It’s my absolute favorite build and class thus far.

The issue you’re having is you are only half using them. Not once do you command them. They all have offensive abilities that you never bothered to use. Command the shadow fiend to attack and the other minions will follow his lead. You can stagger the commands to get them all to focus as needed. The bone minions tend to stick close to you to allow for easy exploding. You can also cause them to focus with #1 triple tap.

Minions are not summon and forget. That’s not how they work.

That you for teaching me how to use minions, you are right if I just command them they don’t die anymore in under 10 seconds.

S/d doesn’t not have better sustain than d/d or d/f. No.

Dunno what comps it’s strong against, even when I go full heals the only one who stays alive for more than 10 seconds is the flesh golem.

Holy kitten I have no clue what the hell is wrong with everyone’s reading comprehension or they are just playing dumb because they don’t want to admit fear probably has too many counters, stun breaks, condi removal, condi transfers, aoe condi removal….. it’s the only condi that gets removed by both condition removal and stunbreaks…. I’m fine with it staying the same, but If it does I think immobilize should get the same treatment

Loop.8106:

skowcia.8257:

And who keeps mes in check..? Another mesmer? Balance archieved.

Cry me a river. There are plenty of builds that kittens on mesmers now. Sure, we are not as hit or miss as we were before the patch. (Not like burst guards)
There are alot of counterplay you can make, basicly fight us on point. If you don’t win, you don’t deserve too. What people seem to be most annoyed with is the PU buff and blinds on shatters, PU is countered by simply standing on points capping. Blinds on shatters, well know you know how it feels fighting D/P thieves or Guards. Deal with it.

I don’t think people are really upset that the shatter can blind, that’s fine I actually like it. The problem is that even if you dodge a shatter you still get blinded. maybe it’s a feature maybe it’s a bug time will tell.

Loop.8106:

NeXeD.3042:

We have to build that lifeforce first and we also don’t have stealth or a truly reliable source of vigor, not all of our builds will have protection, and our stab cmon lol your joking. Our condi cleanse is not superior we have condi transfering which also means we can miss and still have those condis.

I’m not attacking mesmers here, they need that distortion I know that. However necros also need a reliable form of large scale damage mitigation. If they want to tie that to deathshroud I’m fine with that and it would still require us to have lifeforce.

You do realise that without the traited “shatters removes condis” which reduces our dmg we run with arcane thievery as our only condi cleanse. (Steal three boons from target player and send them three of your conditions.) So basicly, without any enemy, we have zero condi cleanse. if you dodge / blind we have zero condi cleanse.

Would you be happier if I said ele mistform, or ranger signet of stone….. I used a kittening example of an invuln that a class has, I was not attacking mesmers gtfo with this kitten.

Kagamiku.9731:

You need to hint at the notion you were being sarcastic for anyone to interpret it in such a way…

I thought what I said was ridiculous enough on its own… kinda thought that was the point of dry sarcasm. People have had no problem determining it in the past, although maybe we just didn’t have darksteel to call me out on it.

Try playing conquest and "simply don’t get hit:

We have to build that lifeforce first and we also don’t have stealth or a truly reliable source of vigor, not all of our builds will have protection, and our stab cmon lol your joking. Our condi cleanse is not superior we have condi transfering which also means we can miss and still have those condis.

I’m not attacking mesmers here, they need that distortion I know that. However necros also need a reliable form of large scale damage mitigation. If they want to tie that to deathshroud I’m fine with that and it would still require us to have lifeforce.

Yeah I was lol, not that you would know my posts or history or whatever but it’s something I do alot actually….

I actually wish more people would spectate to find builds then they wouldn’t be using decent ones, easy kill yay!

Pve I think it’s dagger warhorn, dagger focus? I could be wrong.

PvP IMO it’s dagger/warhorn staff.

Is it unreasonable to think players may have come up with something pretty close to the meta just by playing on their own and discovering what works well and what doesnt…..

That’s what happened to me. I didn’t copy and paste some ones build I just kept adjusting to what my necro did well and what it didn’t eventually ended up with something very similiar to what the meta power build was at that time. I’m not saying I’m the majority but you seem to be lumping people like that in with the majority simply because they play a similiar build and you ASSume that person copy and pasted.

How close minded is it to think you actually have something truly unique in a game with a limited set of options and a decent sized playerbase?

Darksteel.8412:

NeXeD.3042:

If diamond skin turns into resistance so should berserker stance.

if bla bla bla then bla bla bla also…no. warrior and ele are totally different my goshnerf berserker stance and warrior is free kill….it can’t fight multiple enemies like an ele can….seriously how old, it doesn’t have the protection blind spam or teleports.. pls how old

Bla bla bla bla bla bla I was actually being sarcasic but now I hope they do it to just berserker stance and leave diamond skin alone.

Tim.6450:

Dondagora.9645:

So here’s an argument against fear working: Fear is particularly strong CC effect which not only prevents skills and/or movement, but also outright controls movement as well. Thus, because of this particular strength, it is made to have the weaknesses of both CC and Conditions.

One problem with that reasoning taunt does even better it also controls your target selection and that one is pure cc.

Question is that not going to be necessairy for reaper who chill on applying fear? If it is negated by stab/break bar then it will be a very weak trait.

Yeah didn’t even think of that, that trait will suck hard if they keep it the way it is.

Zelulose.8695:

NeXeD.3042:

Theres literally no reasoning with this guy, we post responses to his posts and he just says see previous post….. I mean it’s completely unreasonable we did read his post and still didn’t think he was making an effective point so we respond and he just tells us to see the same post we just read to which we were responding too…. it’s like an infinite loop that won’t end until we all just say give up or appease him.

This is because you can’t gather evidence and to lengthen your response so you restate what was answered before in a different way. You create a loop so I create a response in a similar loop. I aim to gather different reasons supporting or opposing the original post. Sorry if this seemed annoying.

You are the on creating the loop. You seem to think we all lack reading comprehension because we don’t agree with you. Or we just don’t agree with you or your reasoning. the burden is on you here my friend.

Shadow.1345:

Our reasons are sound and you just turn around to use the “if you don’t support my idea then you must be mindless sheep” response.

With all of the other outlets for people to find builds to use instead of creating their own when they get frustrated or just want something to start with you think the least likely used outlet, spectating hotjoin matches, being changed to hide that stuff is going to fix the problem of the lack of creativity and diversity in builds. It’s like putting a band-aid on a bullet wound. If you wanted to stop it you’d have to shutdown youtube, these forums, other GW2 related forums, meta-battle, etc.

Furthermore fixing it so hotjoin spectators can’t see a build is a waste of resources to make a very small percentage of the playerbase feel better when those resources could be better allocated on new content.

TL;DR This idea is not a fix and a selfish waste of resources better spent on the community as a whole.

Please don’t attempt to use logic, it’s clearly not working.

If diamond skin turns into resistance so should berserker stance.

Theres literally no reasoning with this guy, we post responses to his posts and he just says see previous post….. I mean it’s completely unreasonable we did read his post and still didn’t think he was making an effective point so we respond and he just tells us to see the same post we just read to which we were responding too…. it’s like an infinite loop that won’t end until we all just say give up or appease him.

I went ahead and built a lead helmet.

I feel as though if fear can get stunbroken so should immobilize.

It wouldn’t slow distribution at all the higher tier players would have no problem sharing most of their builds on metabattle

Aka they don’t exist and or probably aren’t better than what is considered meta(if we even have a meta right now)

Every couple of months we get posts like these. Eventually everyone realizes “oh kitten I’m not a special snowflake… kitten t mom”

How many oher condis in game can be cleared with a non condi cleansing stunbreaker

most of us don’t get off on making it unfair for other players… we are competetive…. nothing wrong with that, you don’t see us kittening about rpers.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Necro sustain with the right traits is already unreal no need to buff it. Healing in death shroud is all the sustain they needed – with the right traits and equip a necro can out-sustain 2 players all day long.

Not if one of the two players is a theif, a mesmer, or a mediguard.

Would it really be broken though? It wouldn’t cc the target it would just do the damage…. so it would be like a burn that can’t stack

Wow. No. It’s not readily available. It’s not a matter of just adjusting your playstyle…. if you do adjust your playstyle for using fitg as your stunbreakable you will without a doubt die way more often.

Quite a while? Only as long as that one fear works… then it’s back to having stab…. so I guess if you spammed signet s…. but then your spamming signets…. and your not even Garuntee it’s stab that gets corrupted…..

it would just go back to how it was before the patch where we could actually corrupt stability…. still nowhere near as effective as it was before skills pulsed stab…. the stab pulsing was a huge nerf to terrormancers.

Sounds like you want to punish casuals and create a bigger disparity in games then we already have……

L Step.8659:

NeXeD.3042:

Quaman.9167:

I bother because I don’t play pve much at all, and I love the whole dark/poisonous theme to the necro. Class really doesn’t matter much in normal spvp and even in competitive spvp, players like Nos prove that necro can be viable. In WvW we are pretty boss too!

The player will always matter more than the class

Player* like Nos.

Let’s be honest there’s really only one high tier competetive necro.

Let’s be honest, in EU it’s harder to pull off a necro in a comp. Many more viable teams. NA had a 2 rampage war comp cheese through to 2nd place in the last ESL.

That team is actually better and more Creative than people give them credit for, ironically I would call the guy who played guard for them the 2nd best Necro in NA and even played something else… so I’m bit sure where the na vs eu necros is coming from….. literally just sounds like another person who always assume EU is better and more skilled than NA. I have accts on both… there’s really not much difference. EU may have more people who are super serious about tourneys… doesn’t mean they are more skilled means they’ve played together longer. NA would have some amazing teams if everyone didn’t hate each others guts

Luke.4562:

NeXeD.3042:

If you haven’t figured out the beauty of a build that is the soldieRS condi transfer build you should try it out before telling someone who has been playing with it since the patch that it “won’t work”

it will even work with marauders if you really want do to some damage.

Do you want me to lend another Mirror to climb on?

Do we want to go comb through everything that doesn’t fit in the discussion to declare most of the Spite-Curse traits are bad designed and useless?

I just see arrogance and absence of objectivity.

The only one being arrogant is you. I’ve given plenty of evidence to support my claims and you just keep dismissing it, I’ve ever offered to show you and you respond with this drivel….

if I had to rate the current lines

Spite
curses
soul reaping
Blood magic
Death magic

Of course I’m lacking objectivity I’m not one of those people who likes to think that’s even possible, I’m speaking from my experiences and from my perspective playing my build…..

How would it screw pulsing stab skills? I literally just explained how it would be useless agaisnt pulsing stab skills.

With the way some of the skills work corrupting stab is useless even if we could, corrupt stab for fear yay! Wait nope it got reapplied within .01 seconds…. wasted corrupt useless fear….. great….

I’m on board for something like that or just make the MoC change the corruption skills to apply whatever condi it would normally apply to the necro make it apply to our target

Extreme.8350:

Rym.1469:

Just make it avoidable and it’s ok.

Lower the burst damage, not utility.

1 hit on the clones and u avoid it if they gonna make it so u can dodge them then they better increase the chance for them to actually walk all the way up to u

problem is on targeted stunbreaks

We’ve been waiting for our corrupts to actually work on stab and then this wouldn’t even be an issue.

It might be worth it on a cleric mm, but that is literally the only build I can see it being really useful on since your making the most out of the healing by always have allies around you, I think it might be worth it on a strictly healing cleric mm.

Life for death really isn’t that great…. even on clerics….. most people who think it’s good go with the omfg it’s a 3k heal every 7 seconds!

Yeah…. but it’s not…. it’s a 3k heal everytime you exit ds…. but that will not be 7 seconds or even 10 seconds unless and that heal will not be there when you need it most…. you’ll probably burn it when your still at full health and then get spiked before you can even use it again