Guild Wars 2

No really maybe if we turn this into the biggest troll in gw2 history something will get done.

I really wanted to be positive when I read the changes…. but I cant…. most of the other times they nerfed necro I’ve been one to say it’s not that bad. But this patch… this patch is a kittening joke. The small amount of faith I had left is now gone, I never wanted to truly believe the dev’s were clueless. But I’m done with that Kool aid.

Remember a few months ago when I wanted to organize a group necromancer boycott…….

Gryph.8237:

Gryph.8237:

Kill your necro before you start to like it and then learn its huge weaknesses and begin to believe the dev’s understand and want to help. Play a meta class, which are still the best in all game modes. Ele, engie, thief, guardian, warrior, or Mesmer. That will get you a seat in PVP and wvw. In wvw the classes that are not hugely strong on group play, are awesome roamers. Necro is a dud, but wanted in groups for two wells. That’s it. Two wells on rotation for big bombs. Nothing else now

not anymore, wvw groups gonna tell their necros to switch to chronomancers.

EremiteAngel.9765:

Zetsumei.4975:

I think you need a reminder of how necros do in top tier spvp and re-evaluate whether those builds are to be considered ‘strong’. Unless you mean are they capable of killing the average casual pug then sure there are countless gimmick builds in the game that can be considered strong.

you also need a reminder that not everything is spvp…

Edit: even if spvp, all the builds i mentioned above are all spvp viable…I think…I don’t spvp much…just thinking…

They arent. Game is balanced around spvp. It might not be your gamemode but it’s the one that people need to look at first when judging updates. Especially complete overhauls like this.

All the people saying oh this won’t be that bad or that won’t be that bad seem to be wvwers who don’t care because they can just cover weaknesses by mix and matching armor food also runes sigils and armor combos including ascended gear that don’t exist in the mode the game is primarily balanced around.

Pretty disappointed, totally planned on using some sort zerk/hybrid reaper s/w gs. Guess that’s not happening now.

Too many nerfs.

This has actually been happening to me alot lately and I’m pretty much never using plague signet, also pretty much always on a power necro.

The current FoC might be useful after the patch. Although I think increasing it’s lf gain is a good idea.

We are about to be immune to conditions as reaper, give it a couple months

basically you will puss off teammates in soloq all the time if you play correctly. Every game I’ve got morons telling me to stand on point or to take home at the beginning. Sure I’ll take home as a zerker necro with no lifeforce, 10 seconds later I get insta gibbed from stealth, to which my teammates usually call me bad. =(

bhagwad.4281:

I think GW2 must be the only game which doesn’t increase rewards for better play. I mean…the system is designed to keep you at a 50% win rate ideally. Fine, so far so good. But the astounding part is that the progression rewards are the same regardless of your MMR!

Inexplicably, it means that being a more skilled player earns you the same rewards per unit of time than a lesser skilled one, given the ideal 50% win rate! It would make sense if progress in your track was affected by your MMR – but no. It doesn’t work that way.

Inb4 people start saying “Rewards in PvP don’t matter” or “Skilled players don’t care for rewards”. If rewards don’t matter, then Anet shouldn’t give them at all. No reward track progression, no gold…nothing. And while you’re at it, take out rewards for PvE as well. Just make everything free. Because…we’re all supposed to play just for the pure joy of it right? Right?

Bottom line: The reward structure for PvP is deeply messed up. If you’re going to have rewards, then they must be rationalized. Their very presence is enough of an indication that Anet feels “just the play” isn’t enough.

Now why don’t they do an actual good job of it and increase the rewards for those with higher MMRs?

until anet makes you weapons that all look like signs that say “I need this weapon to show other people I’m good because my skill alone isn’t enough” you can always try for that glorious hero armor set.

Also if you don’t enjoy playing pvp for the pvp then why the hell are you doing it. The truly competitive players don’t give two puppies about aesthetics, they know they are good and prove it in tourneys. You should try the same.

Maybe people will stop traiting all this condi clear and a 100% duration reaper necro will ruin kitten.

I can’t say I’ve ever queued and got a match where We got farmed like that unless we had a dc and everyone else just went afk, even then I’m still gonna keep pushing lol

So you want free daily…. I’m usually over 50% winrate…. round 60% usually and I don’t seem to notice that When I’m trying to do a daily, although I could give two kittens about quests I do pvp to pvp. Also they said class mmr is in effect… didn’t they?

Abbehemoth.2471:

NeXeD.3042:

DresdenAllblack.1249:

Do more damage, swing slower. It all evens out in the end.

Maybe for pve, not the case in pvp mi amigo.

Which is the reason why just using dagger #1 = becoming the most amazing loco-killer-ninja-slayer..

I really do see how the speed is more relevant than the dmg being done, truly.

The daggers hit more often, procs rule pvp, if gs attack is slow people will dodge or avoid more often. In pve you stack and kill monsters.

Laraley.7695:

NeXeD.3042:

Skeletor.9360:

I agree completely! That is why everyone is a mesmer!

Wait…um no they are not and actually there are not that many….

nuff said.

I beleive we had established no one plays a mesmer because a thief eats mesmers. The competitive players have mostly abandoned mesmer because there is almost always a theif. You see some still compete in tourneys. Helseth looked pretty good today but helseth is well… helseth.

Yes, mesmers are horrible, that’s why one is going to WTS.

I’m not saying mesmers aren’t good…

Skeletor.9360:

I agree completely! That is why everyone is a mesmer!

Wait…um no they are not and actually there are not that many….

nuff said.

I beleive we had established no one plays a mesmer because a thief eats mesmers. The competitive players have mostly abandoned mesmer because there is almost always a theif. You see some still compete in tourneys. Helseth looked pretty good today but helseth is well… helseth.

DresdenAllblack.1249:

Do more damage, swing slower. It all evens out in the end.

Maybe for pve, not the case in pvp mi amigo.

Neptune.2570:

Ok, I really didn’t want to get involved in the stupidity of this thread, but I’m gonna bite.
Not a single person claiming Mesmers are OP have given anything actually factual about Mesmers. Seriously? Have any of you ever played one? The only legit point without hyperbole’s and straight up lies to be mentioned is that Mesmers Moa from stealth has little counterplay, (that’s if you fail to see the mesmer stealthing or your team doesn’t keep track of it’s opponants glassiest dps dealer).
As for all the GS complaints. Your complaining GS has insane damage. No kitten. GS is a 100% offensive weapon. Every skill on it is about dps with little utility and no defense. A shatter mesmer who just swapped to GS is literally the easiest focus target in the game.

Your right, my bad mesmers are definitely just bad. They can’t lockdown from stealth and spike people for 10k. They can’t completely shutdown all transformations. They can’t teleport vertically, they can’t teleport there whole team to a point after they have stealthed to a point, they can’t proc air fire sigils from an insane range or use their gs as a range finder for enemies. They can’t go invincible every 10 seconds. my bad.

Where’s my hyperbole.

Cynz.9437:

NeXeD.3042:

Your right, my bad mesmers are definitely just bad. They can’t lockdown from stealth and spike people for 10k. They can’t completely shutdown all transformations. They can’t teleport vertically, they can’t teleport there whole team to a point after they have stealthed to a point, they can’t proc air fire sigils from an insane range or use their gs as a range finder for enemies. They can’t go invincible every 10 seconds. my bad.

- mesmer stealth may be annoying but is actually necessary, they are glass after all
- define lock down? most of them are visible
- 10k spikes happen only on squishies and squishies have ways to do same thing to mesmers, really
- moa is really long CD and is interruptable, can be blinded, blocked etc……
- mes ports have relative long CD and oncea gain necessary for their viability; they have low HP, not that amazing heals and almost no condi removal
- mes portal is long CD and forces them to drop other survivality spells; how dare mes to have team support O_O
- air/fire sigils are not class mechanics….
- necros/eles do same thing?
- invul is annoying but once again what is the issue? it is not like class is bunkery by all means and they still eat condis while in it

P.S. i don’t even play mesmer….

Ps I’m a necro. I can also play a mesmer. People have a much harder time locking me down on a mesmer than they do on against my necro. If it wasn’t for theives I wouldn’t play my necro. I would play my mesmer because then I would have ranged burst (necro is melee), vertical teleport (plz don’t even compare wurm with blink, retreat, and portal) ), true invuln (necro has nothing like that, it has a pseudo invuln with sa and ds still isn’t close to be as good as a mesmer) the only thing I ever have trouble agaisnt when I’m on my mesmer is theives. Everything else I can kite forever as long as I avoid their gap closer combos I’m golden.

I’m not saying mesmers are op in the current meta. I think that is mostly because it is so widely known that theives rek mesmers hard. So the players that would be extraordinary mesmers switch classes.

I wasn’t arguing they were op, my argument was they would be “wreak havoc” if it wasnt for theives.

and the thing that makes theives and mesmers somewhat ridiculous is stealth, so they gave some other classes some aoe and passive procs to death with all the stealth spikes… then you have some people complaining about stealth and some people about passives procs. Both are broken. But only mesmers and theives can truly combine the two to make a ridiculous pain train combo. Yeah I know engi has that one ridiculous combo from stealth but I don’t see too many people playing that engi zerker spec, someone got me with it the other day though literally killed me from 16k health.

Your right, my bad mesmers are definitely just bad. They can’t lockdown from stealth and spike people for 10k. They can’t completely shutdown all transformations. They can’t teleport vertically, they can’t teleport there whole team to a point after they have stealthed to a point, they can’t proc air fire sigils from an insane range or use their gs as a range finder for enemies. They can’t go invincible every 10 seconds. my bad.

Ross Biddle.2367:

vincecontix.1264:

Thief is the main thing that is keeping mesmer in check, if not for thief there would be far more mesmer complaints.

If you removed thieves from the game, comps would change, and something else would sit in play to counter Mesmer.

If it weren’t for theives mesmers would wreak Havoc. Portal plays would become more common and zergfests would be more common without the threat of the theif intercepting and decapping

L Step.8659:

I’d like to throw in some more support for Spectral Walk/Wurm over armor, a lot of times with armor you still can’t escape and just last a couple more seconds, whereas the extra mobility from the first 2 allows you to flat out avoid hits/rotate better.

Armor is still great, I’m just surprised it’s used so heavily over the others.

i use it because id rather stay in the fight then have to run. just dont rotate somewhere your gonna get jumped alone.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNBmQDbkjmWarpx2GOcTcLUQHADwLEVIQ9bMGRLA-TJBFwACuIA62foaZAAPBAA

Try this, if you do it right you can proC 5 total hits when they get to 50% health. Almost like insta death. if your gonna use this build in a 1v1 switch to blood sigils

Dawdler.8521:

NeXeD.3042:

Not really but the human eye can only see 60 fps anyway.

Someone just had to bring it up. The human eye can spot and process a flash image up to around 220hz. On a monitor, frame movement depends on pixel movements, which is not the same as “seeing” fps. Your eye does not see in fps. You can have a static image at 1 fps or 1000 fps and the eye couldnt tell the difference. In a high movement scene 60fps on 60hz vs 144fps on 144hz… It most definetly can.

Oh don’t get me wrong I can see the difference between my old 60z and my new 144.

only time I ever really use axe is in a duel fighting melee classes Where I’m never going to need the range… also the condi transfer has a lower cd so it helps agaisnt condi classes even if mark 4 is more likely to land.

Even then….. I still use staff the majority of the time for the interupt and how easy it is to land marks.

D/w staff is the only way to go one power. You can try and debate focus all you want but it’s garbage compared to warhorn

TheGrimm.5624:

NeXeD.3042:

Pretty sure I was sitting at like 100-130 fps….

Did you see a difference on entering the lord area out of curiosity? Was trying to note where the spots that the slowdowns hit but with the limited time of the beta there was a lot to do/try.

Not really but the human eye can only see 60 fps anyway. Somehow my gtx 770 4gb oc version hits over 200 fps sometimes when playing gw2, my fps probably just stays higher due to having very nice hardware.

Anet please tell me I’m good so other people will think I’m good! Please!

brannigan.9831:

Lordrosicky.5813:

StickerHappy.8052:

Lordrosicky.5813:

brannigan.9831:

I agree its no skill pretty much. Probably disagree how unbalanced it is but I feel like its a type of build that is rewarded too much low skill low risk build should be the weakest type of build.

The following builds take no skill/little skill and I will rank in order of how little skill they take:
1, Staff ele – There is a reason all the newbs play this
2, Shoutbow
3, Power necro – 1 spam and passives
4, D/P thief – 2 buttons = kill anything
5, Hammer dps guardian – like a 3 button combo that my granny could do
6, S/D thief – spam, no cd management
7, d/d ele – takes more skill than those above
8, Celestial engi – pretty much just spam
9, Bunker guardian – the original brainless spec
10, longbow ranger – spamming from 1500 range takes no skill

So that means this whole meta takes no skill. And mesmer is fairly brainless. Porting around like a clown abusing bugs and having perma invulnerability = no skill. Although it does take a little skill I give mesmers that. The bad ones suck alot. But its still too storng vs everything in the game except thief.

You forgot turret engie. MM necro.

Those builds suck so no point including them

Some of those classes are much harder to play then shoutbow.

Isn’t that why he rated them?

Pretty sure I was sitting at like 100-130 fps….

Not to mention this is clearly a different game. I know the GW1 people love it. I’m sure it was an awesome game. But we must not live in the past.

Laraley.7695:

NeXeD.3042:

bhagwad.4281:

The problem with “prestige” items like Llamas is that they’re not really available to solo players. I wish Anet would stop worshiping pre-mades so much. The rest of us are players too you know.

do the AG tourney or pugquest, I’ve got like 5 mini lamas at this point and I have always gone in as an free agent, aka SOLO.

I’m pretty sure this is only possible on NA.

Agreed but you could still technically pug the eu AG weekly if you had enough friends that would do it, and maybe just spam it in mapchat.

Long shot I guess but could possibly work.

bhagwad.4281:

The problem with “prestige” items like Llamas is that they’re not really available to solo players. I wish Anet would stop worshiping pre-mades so much. The rest of us are players too you know.

do the AG tourney or pugquest, I’ve got like 5 mini lamas at this point and I have always gone in as an free agent, aka SOLO.

shadaux.5192:

NeXeD.3042:

shadaux.5192:

Oh so you’re resorting to questioning my skill are you now? You have no idea how lucky you are that you’re on NA.. I have probably played every common and less common build in existence on all classes for multiple hours. What do I destroy the most with? The three celestials and the common zerker builds (shatter mes, medi guard, thief). Yes OFC you can play them skillfully but the problem is you can still play them badly and get away with it. The difference between a shoutbow who can properly use his intelligence sigil and one who can’t is minimal. But the difference between a scepter dagger fresh air ele who can pull off a full, proper rotation and one who can’t even tell when his air is off cooldown is MASSIVE. One will one shot, one will get oneshotted. If you really think you are a good player cos u can weapon swap on cheese bow before your bow 3 hits I feel sorry for you. Anyway I knew I was derailing this thread a bit but this has gone way too far and I need to sleep. Have fun indoctrinated meta worshipper cheeseplays!

I can play on eu.

Great counter to my argument there… Cos I totally wanna see how amazing you are at celestial ele.
But if you insist… Where and when?

I could use an ele but I prefer my necro

Didnt really see the point in counter pointing you’d probably never stop.

shadaux.5192:

Oh so you’re resorting to questioning my skill are you now? You have no idea how lucky you are that you’re on NA.. I have probably played every common and less common build in existence on all classes for multiple hours. What do I destroy the most with? The three celestials and the common zerker builds (shatter mes, medi guard, thief). Yes OFC you can play them skillfully but the problem is you can still play them badly and get away with it. The difference between a shoutbow who can properly use his intelligence sigil and one who can’t is minimal. But the difference between a scepter dagger fresh air ele who can pull off a full, proper rotation and one who can’t even tell when his air is off cooldown is MASSIVE. One will one shot, one will get oneshotted. If you really think you are a good player cos u can weapon swap on cheese bow before your bow 3 hits I feel sorry for you. Anyway I knew I was derailing this thread a bit but this has gone way too far and I need to sleep. Have fun indoctrinated meta worshipper cheeseplays!

I can play on eu.

shadaux.5192:

TIL getting outplayed is fighting a celestial running in circles on the point spamming random buttons 1v1 until the group shows up to kill you with random sigil procs.

Also it’s you’re not a very nice person.

I deleted what I original said in the last line as I’m sure SOMEONE would have been a little kitten and reported me for it.

I was unaware you were a member of the grammar police.

hands up

did you not see the part where I said every game has a meta and every games meta changes?

If you think a newbie can just show up go to metabattle and go pvp with a cele build and be able to do a kittening thing with it your not the brightest bulb in the box.

Also if you think that cele ele or that cele engi is just spamming everything they can then clearly you don’t know how to play one, if you can play one decently then your just full of poop.

even shoutbow, yes it’s easy but it’s also really easy to tell a good one from a bad one.

shadaux.5192:

Coulter.2315:

Are people upset that there is a list of functional builds on the internet and people can go there and see them? xD Wow.. Almost as bad as the “TS is unethical” guy.

Ur sidelining my argument.. My problem isn’t so much metabattle as it is the fact a dev would sooner reccomend the website rather than balancing the game so newbies don’t have to play passive cheese to feel as if they are playing well…

Yeah, or just maybe the devs are actually in the middle of a huge transition but even in the middle of that one of them took the time to help inform a new player where to obtain information that’s been gathered by PvP players.

If you’ve played any other pvp games you’ll see every single kittening one of them has a meta. The meta changes.

If your build ain’t working it’s probably because the other players outplayed you or your build is complete kitten In the game you were in.

If you think throwing a newbie to pvp without any knowledge is good for anet your not a very nice person.

All you people saying metabattle is a horrible thing your wrong and meta builds will kitten you up. There’s a reason for them. At least let the op try some of the normal pvp builds before trying to create his own.

However I’m not convinced ever build on there is the best of the class. I’m not in agreement with the powermancer build. However I’ve been told my changes aren’t enough of a change to even be considered a change….. air fire on dagger, air fire on staff, vamp runes. I call it a procmancer. It’s possible to proc both vamp rune procs, air fire and spinal shivers in one hit =) I’ve only done it a few times but they usually just die.

Darwec.3784:

NeXeD.3042:

Darwec.3784:

Knighthonor.4061:

NeXeD.3042:

D/w staff

/15chars

TY notice major difference.

I personally run dagger /warhorn dagger/dagger. I try to blind stomp people with the dagger/dagger set, but its not necessarily the best idea. dagger/warhorn + staff is more normal.

You can blind stomp with staff and wells and it’s aoe, I usually throw down a well to prevent ressing, but you could use it to try and blind stomp people

It means sacraficing dagger dps if things go south while stomping. Like i said, not optimal, and certainly not for everyone, but its my prefered way. It works especially well on guardians who apply burning and such, so you throw their condis back along with a blind.

Edit:
Let me actually clarify: i run a very strange build that happens to work for the group of friends i frequently run with. So yeah, probably DONT take d/d over staff.

Well first of all the necro shouldn’t be the one trying to stomp unless it’s plague, fitg, or lich (wouldn’t lich stomp anymore better off cleaving and fitg is iffy as well) so basically unless your teammates are completely stupid don’t be the one stomping.

If things go south staff is a better defensive tool than d/d and normally a power necro still has access to that dagger with warhorn for interupts and the best lifeforce building skill you have. it’s not like dagger kittens very often with the ridiculous wind up and cast time.

also due to our dumb kitten class going double melee probably isn’t the best idea for spvp, you would be super screwed at the start of every game without a way to at least build a little lf by range. With just dagger at the beginning the only way to build lf is dagger auto. Which means you’ll probably need to stand on point and get aoe nuked with no lifeforce.

Also staff 4 will do the same thing as dagger 4 and transfer the guardians burns and blinds, albeit a little higher cooldown and the ability to make it unblockable if you really want too(wouldn’t suggest anyone trait into dm).

No putting points into bm or dm. If you do you’ve just turned a heavy hitting GLASS cannon with 40k health into a cardboard cannon that hits like wet noodle and has like 8k more health or something like that.

Darwec.3784:

Knighthonor.4061:

NeXeD.3042:

D/w staff

/15chars

TY notice major difference.

I personally run dagger /warhorn dagger/dagger. I try to blind stomp people with the dagger/dagger set, but its not necessarily the best idea. dagger/warhorn + staff is more normal.

You can blind stomp with staff and wells and it’s aoe, I usually throw down a well to prevent ressing, but you could use it to try and blind stomp people

They get to use voice comms at the tourneys sounds like the endorse it to me.

Probably wait out the mistform, use it to disengage a little bit burn a heal if you have it, then reengage. If no heal, try to range and nuke the point, pop ds pick someone under 50% health and proc CoD hopefully air fire and insta kill them.

D/w staff

/15chars

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

With the proposed specialization changes coming up, I am more in favor of all-out healing, but I still think the best course is adding it in piecemeal. The only real issue with that stance is ANet’s absolutely glacial balance pacing, but it would make sure we get into the best spot possible. It is possible for us to get too much sustain.

I want them to do it piece by piece as well, I would rather it take a little while to buff so we don’t get the nerfstick for being op.

I’m actually pretty curious what kind of siphon are going to work in ds, imagine sov, us, siphons, vamp aura combined with the new gs siphon… and then maybe blood and leeching sigils will work through ds too?

when did the mesmer gs nerf happen….. pretty sure I was just doing it the other day.

I’d trade lich, downstate, cod, and lifeblast for the ability to pop out of nowhere and hit someone for 11k.

Sigmoid.7082:

NeXeD.3042:

Sigmoid.7082:

NeXeD.3042:

I’d rather have an pseudo invincibility considering I’m going to be full glass. No amount lifeforce is ever enough in ranked pvp as a necro.

I was unaware focus had weakness.

Try using focus in ranked. I bet you manage to pull of 4 maybe 3 or 4 times per match and I wouldn’t be surprised if you didn’t land a single focus 5.

It doesnt just necro in general. Who isnt going to take the stun break shout.
Its not that hard to land. But i do see the merits of horn with more thought to it.

I probably not taking any of the shouts. I plaN on wells all day everyday.

double well spectral armour / you’re all weaklings. or some mix depending on match up. 25s stun break that brants might and causes weakness is also extremely good. It also does damage so can proc onhit/crit effects.

I’m actually going to try and not go SA I have other ideas =)

Sigmoid.7082:

NeXeD.3042:

I’d rather have an pseudo invincibility considering I’m going to be full glass. No amount lifeforce is ever enough in ranked pvp as a necro.

I was unaware focus had weakness.

Try using focus in ranked. I bet you manage to pull of 4 maybe 3 or 4 times per match and I wouldn’t be surprised if you didn’t land a single focus 5.

It doesnt just necro in general. Who isnt going to take the stun break shout.
Its not that hard to land. But i do see the merits of horn with more thought to it.

I probably not taking any of the shouts. I plaN on wells all day everyday.

I would see opponents skill bars…… as opposed to having to pay attention to animations…

I would never look at animations ever again.