Guild Wars 2

power necro/dd ele lft

Methane your wrong. Sorry. They balance the game with spvp in mind.

Tadsoul.6951:

i saw them mention one of the classes will be getting defiance.
so i get its offical now that necromancer will be a boss class
high hp
defiance
slow attacks
maybe they will even restrict the movement to ai movement just to make the experience real

I thought it was resistance, I didn’t see anything about defiance.

Maybe the ai movement will have better positioning!

I’m curious what they are doing with things like lifeforce pool, attunement recharge, steal recharge etc since they are changing how traits and stats are done and whatnot.

No chance they go for this lol

I has eu acct now!

GrandHaven.1052:

Laraley.7695:

I just don’t get why AI builds need to be viable.

They really don’t.

Are you of the opinion that all builds should be zerker?
Because condi is cheese.
Because bunkers are not killable.
Etc.

Turret engi is a bunker, that can still do respectable damage even while cced.

I approve this change. MM necros say hi! And at least your turrets don’t bug out.

Thx for posting this early, might actually get to participate in a sat tourney. Power necro lft….. if I’m forced to play ele I will but I won’t be happy about it.

S P E E D starr
I am Nexed

I’ve tried this

Nemesis.8593:

SPESHAL.9106:

No doubt that necros are in bad shape and not favorable for high end pvp, but couple of minor things you should have noticed in 101 games:

1. You mentioned dagger 1 didn’t get buffed, but it actually did get a cleave. It’s actually very helpful in team fights. Plus, you will often use dagger 1 to build LF on a down body, so the extra cleave is nice to take out the ranger pet or any squishy that may come by to help rez.

2. Spectral Walk is another escape and teleport…not just the worm. It doesn’t compare to other class options, but it’s probably more reliable than the worm, especially if around a z-axis that you can leverage to your advantage.

3. I didn’t see you running much power or spectral builds. Spectral attunement buff made LF building quite good and gives you much more survivability because you have more DS more often. Also, the extended period on spectral wall can be extremely powerful in certain scenarios (i.e escape or cutoff people to a node/down body/etc).

4. Wells are very helpful in team fights as well as Lich. Condi necros just don’t have enough AOE pressure, so it’s no surprise you found them lacking in team pvp…but fine in duels.

5. You didn’t focus enough on one of the main weaknesses of Necros….long cast times. You can’t have a class that is so susceptible to cc and designed to be a damage sponge, but ALSO give them long cast times on meaningful abilities. Focus cast times need serious reduction…Corrupt boon needs to be virtually instant…Worm needs to be near instant…dagger 5 is way too long…all the healing skills are too long for a class that can’t even heal in DS…the list goes on.

6. Another big weakness you should have spent more time on is the lack of LF at the start of matches. This makes anywhere from 30-70% of our traits useless at the start of the match, as well kitten other skills that include our big damage and survivability tools…not to mention…a necro without LF (or with DS on cooldown) is the squishiest MMO class ever created.

All-in-all though, it was a great job of outlining the issues. Even with the things I pointed out above, it doesn’t change your overall conclusions, but it does provide a more complete picture that doesn’t seem as biased to 1 specific build.

1. I was thinking of actual damage value increase… but you know you are kind of right, it is… something… even though going glass cannon trying to slice a group of people is a suicide sentence…

2. I was making a point that the same “escape” tools are also used to traverse the map at a faster rate then what swiftness provides, and if you are stuck in combat even faster… Spectral Walk is just swiftness as far as mobility is concerned… i can’t use it to win a race to a team fight vs any other class… so that’s why i didn’t count it.

3. The meta power builds are a death sentence… you have 70% the damage of any other glass cannon and no disengage…

4. Only noobs stay in wells… @blinking targets in my video that i couldn’t even damage with scepter auto-attacks which are 1/2 sec cast time.

5. I did mention this aspect, when i showcased in slow motion how easy it is to dodge most necro high CD skills, but i didn’t remained on that fact for too long since i was trying to provide clear bigger picture.
Look what happens when i team fight… vs look what happens when any other class team fights… & 1v1s don’t happen often… & mobility matters for reinforcing locations or fights.

6. It was in the original plan to talk about it, but i cut it out since i had no more room… was trying to keep the video under 30 minutes and still failed… You are 100% correct on this regard.

As for being biased… i did try out multiple variations of condition builds which are the most highly upvoted everywhere.
Every single power necro i met did nothing in a team fight… even if i didn’t personally made sure he dies instantly… @in my video you can notice a few Lich Formed enemies, that didn’t even hit my team once.

To be honest atm you have a better chance at being useful on a power build, I even find the survivability better since people tend to panic a little. even if you die you force people to stomp you or get melted.

Terror is burst.

Siva Mira.3546:

I see…
I am running S/WH with Earth/Geomancy and Staff with Energy/Geomancy, Rune of Krait. From my experience, I think WH is superior to Dagger and Focus. When you add Cele + WH + Barbed Precision, it can get very scary.

I’d prefer the condi transfer and weakness considering I have more condi duration With 30 in spite and with the 5th bonus from curses and ctd and cod and air fire sigils if it crits on scepter 3 or on the third attack of the scepter auto it’s pretty ridiculous. I’m also using double wells sa. It’s a very very very glass build but along with de I’m not losing 1v1s and I can stay ranged until I’m going to suicide bomb someone. And yes I do suicide. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t but I was dead either way when I do it. It’s not as though we can disengage Reliably.

Siva Mira.3546:

NeXeD.3042:

I wouldn’t have used dhuumfire on that, 20% damage increase seems much more potent on a build that is lacking in damage in the first place, I’m not sure how you wouldn’t notice the damage decrease without 300 power, chill of death and ctd.

I guess you are running Power Dagger while I am running Condition S/WH. Also, Deadly Strength gives you 167 Power.

Actually I was running s/d Staff, Proccing cod air blood cod on the third scepter hit when they are below twenty seemed to be pretty nice, I eventually switched to zerker amulet with it and found better results though. Seemed similiar to the old old qt necro build.

Siva Mira.3546:

0/6/6/0/2 is the perfect spot for me.
I tried 6/6/0/0/2 but the DPS wasn’t as good as I expected just a little stronger than 0/6/6/0/2 but then you are way weaker in sustain due to the fact that you have to put DS on CD to use Dhummfire and lost everything in Death Magic line.

I wouldn’t have used dhuumfire on that, 20% damage increase seems much more potent on a build that is lacking in damage in the first place, I’m not sure how you wouldn’t notice the damage decrease without 300 power, chill of death and ctd.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Keep in mind it doesn’t take that much for Unholy Sanctuary to be providing a useful heal. 15 seconds is all it needs with 0 healing power to hit 2k health, and it’s laughably easy to stay in death shroud that long in a spectral build.

Not in pvp it’s not.

Jelzouki.4128:

Bhawb.7408:

Staff does not make every build better. It isn’t that good on anything that isn’t condi, its pretty much only taken in non-condi because power builds want something to do at 1200 range, and yes I’m still really salty about Putrid Mark’s nerf. The fact that staff is even considered decent anymore is a testament to how abysmal our ranged options are.

You are a sitting duck with a/d if someone is ranging you. Being able to cast your marks behind you is huge for peeling. It could use more life force but I love my staff. I agree it could use a damage buff maybe? But It does make every necro build better but whatever floats your boat bhawb.

I’m assuming everyone is basing this off a power build so have you ever tried casting the auto attack then popping your death shroud to get a life blast off and make your staff AA crit? Plus air and fire procs can equate to a lot of damage. The staff auto attack crits between 1500-2100.

In the grande scheme of things, staff is the LAST weapon that needs help on necromancer. Again….this is my opinion. Don’t get offended if you don’t agree with me, just rebuttle with numbers and facts as I have provided.

I usually just los, if I can, but I found the situations where I was screwed from range classes to be less often than when I could use axe 3 and 2 d4 and 5 in conquest. Plus I don’t actually mind dying on point anymore. I can usually take at least one with me.

So I tried cele again and it’s still lackluster best I could do was a 6/5/0/0/3 build.

Bhawb.7408:

Staff does not make every build better. It isn’t that good on anything that isn’t condi, its pretty much only taken in non-condi because power builds want something to do at 1200 range, and yes I’m still really salty about Putrid Mark’s nerf. The fact that staff is even considered decent anymore is a testament to how abysmal our ranged options are.

Sad but true, I’ve actually switched to a/d even thought I hate axe.

zapv.8051:

NeXeD.3042:

Toughness doesn’t actually scale as well as other classes since most of them are getting constant heals which is also why hp isn’t great. Sacrificing dp for fitg is nerfing yur damage even further as is not using air/blood/fire. necros do tend to get focused so ramping up damage with might isn’t as effective as instant spike damage. Bleeds acct for our constant pressure on a condi necro but again it’s the spike damage that makes it viable and terror is what gives a necro their spike.

The point of a cele build generally isn’t to nuke everyone with damage, except engis. If your trying to deal a ton of damage on a cele build your doing it wrong, and would be better off running power or terromancer. Fortunately, that isn’t what I’m talking about. I’m talking about an actual sustain build like eles and warriors have. We have plenty of skills and traits that add healing and sustain, they just currently don’t do enough to make it competitive with ele and warrior as far as damage though we are fine.

Duh duh duh I not know what cele bild 4 I think bursten…..

Cele builds are bruiser builds, we actually have a decent bruiser build that I tried a long time ago and tried to use it, even made it into top 100 on the old leaderboards by plaging it. Eventually I found the half second longer I lived from using it wasn’t even close to worth it.

I’m pretty sure if you compared dps from cele necro and other classes cele we would not do very well, especially since the only niche we have is to burst people……

I can pour water in a shoe and drink from it.

zapv.8051:

necrofail.7439:

zapv.8051:

Honestly, necros are one of the few classes that can use all the stats in the same build. The problem is necros don’t bring group utility and healing. If their were some buffs to deathly invigoration (200-300 more healing baseline), unholy martyr (make it convert 3 conditions on allies into boons when using tainted shackles), blood is power(aoe 6 stacks of might), well of blood (bring back proper scaling), and/or dagger 2(reduce channel to 2.5 seconds). Overall, necros have good access to regen through mark of blood, and mark of evasion, dagger 2 scales well with Healing power, and dagger and life blast deal great damage, so with some more group support necros could easily play the same role as shoutbow, or and ele.

So since necros can make the best use of all the stats as you are stating, a cele necro would beat a zerker necro 9f equal skill? Or even a cele of slightly lesser skill would be able to beat a zerker? No. We make horrible use of hp. And toughness really isn’t that great on a necro and since we can’t might stack without using a utility to do it the power and condi dmg is kitten especially the condi damage, without terror our condi damage is absolute kitten mostly due to old nerfs due to dhuumfire.

I didn’t say anything about zerker vs cele necro at all, you shouldn’t put words in other peoples mouths, and make big jumps in logic like you did. I could be like you and say, oh so you think we should bring dhummfire back to the way it was, but I don’t because I actually read what you said instead of being a kittened off kitten.

Now to address your points. Vitality scales better on necro than any other class in the game because it effects DS and our health bar. Toughness is just as good on necro as any class as well, in fact it probably has higher returns than a class like warrior who already has high base toughness. Yes you do have to take a utility to stack might effectively, but along with reaper’s might and sigil of battle you end up with a really good amount of might and you can sacrifice a stun break because of fitg. Our condition damage is not even close to absolutely kitten without terror or dhummfire. Even with terror the bulk of your damage is still from bleeds, and we can stack a lot of bleeds with staff, mark of evasion, crits, and Dark path. Plenty enough to make use of the condition damage on celestial.

Toughness doesn’t actually scale as well as other classes since most of them are getting constant heals which is also why hp isn’t great. Sacrificing dp for fitg is nerfing yur damage even further as is not using air/blood/fire. necros do tend to get focused so ramping up damage with might isn’t as effective as instant spike damage. Bleeds acct for our constant pressure on a condi necro but again it’s the spike damage that makes it viable and terror is what gives a necro their spike.

Rolisteel.1375:

I can’t call a DPS guard that kills me in like 2sec with 30+ k hp while he also having very good defense. “he just outplayed you” man its so high instant dps i can’t see it take any skill just go in and faceroll -> profit.

It’s just an imbalance, total counter or it was a cheater.

Have you every played a guard, they don’t have 30k hp, you got outplayed, you should be able to kill a mediguard with lich, if it was a bunker guard even if you couldn’t kill him he shouldn’t be able to kill you in 2 seconds you can still dodge when lich. But that’s a fantastic attitude he’s either faceroll or cheating because you got outplayed…..

Rolisteel.1375:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

First let me begin with saying that an Engineer was my first character but Necromancer was the profession with which I truly learned and explored the game. After I discovered Necro, everything about Engi suddenly became irrelevant and for the last… 500 days (and 2k hours) exactly today, I’ve been maining a Necro.

I love Necro because I love debuffing. I love Necro because I love being the walking death. I love Necro because life (force) from death.

I’ve given every profession an equal chance and nothing satisfies me as much as popping Corrupt Boon at just the right moment and turning someone’s defenses in to their own defeat. Or dropping a Spectral Wall against a corner and putting someone in time out forcing them to endlessly run in to the corner until the wall wears off. Or intentionally being passive versus a heavy condition build letting them pile conditions on me before transferring them all back and fearing them to ensure their death. Or frontlining a zerg with Plague, watching the bags roll in and dozens of people swinging at me and failing to bring me down because all dat sweet healf.

There are many, many reasons I love Necromancer but let me now say that this is all speaking from a WvW perspective, the one place we truly thrive.

For a while, my faith started to slip… I’ve done a good deal of PvP (rank 67) and primarily solo roam in WvW so I’ve had many, many fights. But one day, this Thief… Just changed everything in 20 short seconds by literally spamming Head Shot and interrupting everything. He completely shut me down and stopped me from doing a single thing until I was AA’d to death by him and it left me humbled. I had been having a rough week to begin with and I had to review my opinion on Necromancer and on myself as a player.

I still love Necromancer dearly but it isn’t without it’s flaws (and there are many of them). After that experience I started to drift on to my Warrior which has now gotten a significant amount of playtime under her belt but that’s not without still playing my Necro. It’s hands down my favorite profession and my very temporary (like maybe 3 days) hiatus from Necro after that experience only proved to strengthen my love but also to open my eyes ~

We are the weakest profession in every way imaginable but that only makes victory sweeter to achieve.

Sometimes I dislike all the woes we’re forced to deal with, others I’m glad no one can call me OP even if I totally annihilate them. At the end of the day it all comes down to one thing though… Necromancer is the profession with which I have the most fun. And after all, this is a video game where you’re meant to do just that, have fun (:

They can call you usually when you use lich. Now engineers totally counter it with all their defensive shields, healing and LoS. DPS guard today 2 hit rekt me in Lich form while he didn’t take any damage. Mesmer can moa so again total waste of elite. etc

Lich marks are unblockable, use them on people blocking like engis, and watch a bunch of jagged horrors run after the engi, the dps guard just outplayed you, and moa seems like it’s a pretty good counter to lich and this game needs counters. Lich can’t just be an I win button.

Bhawb.7408:

Attack speed is certainly an interesting way to buff an AA, and it has extra synergy with Necromancer because of life steal. I’m not sure that Scepter should get it though, Axe and Dagger both have crazy good synergy, whereas the only thing that really changes with scepter is it builds bleed stacks a bit faster.

As far as pvp goes it would help scepter alot with poison application. Alot of the time you don’t get the poison hit off in the chain. Not to mention it would help give us back some bleeds we lost due to dhuumfire.

Can we do both the EU and na tourney? And are free agents allowed in eu?

Rolisteel.1375:

Can you tell me the name of the power necro that have 60% win rate and only play power necro and not boosting win rate with premades or proffs like engineer or elementalist etc? Im not using leaderboards to show skill. I just meant to say i get a lot better skilled enemies than before. I have to play against orange logo cheese mode salt premades and others and btw the guy said that Holl is in higher level games. So what higher level games he meant?

Well I for one stay at around a 60% or above winrate and I soloq. As far as matchmaking goes…. I know you saying you are playing agaisnt the most recent WTS champions… and I’m not saying you are lying or anything but with a 50% winrate and the amount if games you have I’d say it’s more likely you play so much that’s why you have seen them in games. You also mentioned you get wrekt by them not surprising I would too…. I think it’s possible playing some games agaisnt orng may just be a little polarizing so you tend to remember those games more, but may forget when you play low level players. I know I for one remember when I end up in games with players I’ve seen in tournaments more often than I remember the games with people where I can just run around pressing 1 with abandon.

I don’t really know what the other guy means about higher level games, but I would have guess holls mmr is higher than yours but if you truly are just getting orng 55HP the French team whatever they are called nowadays consistently when you q then maybe I’m wrong.

Rolisteel.1375:

necrofail.7439:

Rolisteel.1375:

I’m in top20 games with 6-8 mins queue usually.

Please don’t use leaderboards to try and imply some sort of skill. You play lots of games. But your winrate is still average.

my win rate avarage as i made powernecro there with pugs and always playing with pugs vs others and pro premade teams. im between 50-52% its up to i get a pug that can carry for me ( usually not but rarely happens. ) or they just let me get jumped on by 3 peoples that follows me till i don’t die 1v3. Other power necro have better win rate because playing a lot of premade. he is about 53%

You can belive me it’s not easy.

But im always ready too see what you are able to do solo ranked maybe i learn something.

It’s possible to have a good winrate as a soloq powermancer, the good players will stay at around 60% winrate even in soloq. Anything higher is even better, most of the time when you see people with any5hing over 65% they probably only q with premades.

But he is right you shouldn’t use these leaderboards to show skill it does just show you play ALOT. You’ll probably get better from iT though.

Rolisteel.1375:

you use sa wurm and cb as power nec or condi?

It’s not unheard of. Ryms been playing a necro for quite some time so he tailored a build for himself.

As far as subbing something in for wos…. that’s the only well I almost never change out for anything else Too much deeps.

(Yay I’m not banned from forums anymore, I seem to have a fan that really enjoys reporting every single one of my posts)

Narkodx.1472:

What? Are you saying almost 100 games more lost than won is bad or something?

FARMBOARDS 2015

eSports has arrived

EDIT – Why are you checking the leader boards on your phone LOL get a life this game is not competitive

Well now that last little bit is a little unnecessary. I also sometimes check forums, or leaderboards on my phone as I can go up to 48 hours without being able to access a computer.

If I were you op I would call my lawyer I think you may have a case for cyber bullying. Just claim PTSD.

Lexiceta.4156:

Hahaha I doubt it is a bug, happens way to frequently, besides they do patches to change the color of the chat in balloons. I doubt they would let a game breaking bug go on this long, probably something to do with expansion.

It’s a bug they acknowledged it. They also fixed one of the bugs that did it in the last update my guess is they screwed it up even more somehow.

Fiddle Irk.9710:

I felt something was off. it also seems to me like there’s something goofy about well of power. If I recall correctly, it seemed like I couldn’t use it to break stuns or it would be under the effects of a daze countdown or something

It’s got a cast time, one of the only stunbreaks with a cast time in game as far as I know. May be the only one.

It’s hysterical that 5 randoms who happen to be in a party is why constitutes as a premade to some people now wonder so many people are so (don’t you dare give me an infraction for this) whiny.

Didn’t this happen with the patch before the fitg patch?

Can’t be any worse than botting at least the invisible players are actually playing. It’s a bug btw.

Stand The Wall.6987:

lol. its so much better now. worth taking over DP imo. 75% crit chance w/ perma fury isnt too hard to keep up, plus out of ds damage is just as important.

But you lose ctd. It’s not just dp you lose.

Honestly I dunno what was going on but I was getting in matches with high mmr people and wrecking on my power necro and I was using the new fitg.

I maintain a pretty consistent 60% winrate, changed your post I see unicorn.

How did you do that without getting the edit thingy?

I was thinking spectral wall.

Someone is angry they wouldn’t be able to bot to the top of the leaderboards anymore.

People already complain enough about being told what to do or bashed in chat….. those people wouldn’t be able to handle voice chat with literally committing rl hara-kiri.

Wouldn’t hate it myself but I can see why anet would be hesitant in the everyone gets a gold medal culture.

I agree I only want to play if I win, I shouldn’t lose I pay play game so I should win no loss because I play my way and my way I win because I pay so I should no lose because I play my way and my way no lose so I win because I pay

We can apply confusion directly! Not efficiently but we can!

Rising Dusk.2408:

BURDZ.5376:

oh… no… this sucks T_T does Wail of Doom count as an interrupt?

Yes. This bug only affects fear.

But either way it’s pretty dumb to take plexity runes just for warhorn.

Gais gais I lost 700 gaymes in roe but I not #1 on leederbored it brocke ficks it nnaow.

choovanski.5462:

NeXeD.3042:

Still sounds like a bunch of whiners who can’t hack it. So they say the game doesn’t take that much skill even though they can’t break into the top echelon of pvp…. but of course if you “felt” like it you could right…..

i speak as a decent pvp player, go and fight a top player. i fought caed with a pal and it completely changed my perspective on tournaments. those 1v1s were like going back to being a noob again. caed is a beast, and the fact that all of the players are at a similar level, in that they can beat and survive caed.

most people come to these forums and call builds faceroll, cele engi and ele especially. sure, they are faceroll if you are facing scrubs- but not if you are facing good players (nothing, apart from maybe phantasam mesmer is faceroll vs good players). all the qq about passive mechanics and blaming of game systems hardly make any of you look good at all. y’all are probably those scrub thieves i squash on a daily basis.

Thank you. they all think there is just some simple rotation and then they are pro but " I just don’t feel like playing in those tournaments" or some players pull the “I know players that are better than all those players in tournaments they just don’t feel like doing them” yeah kittening right if they thought they had a chance at winning 50k they would have taken it.

The devs in wvw didn’t like roaming dire necros with plexity…. back to nightmare and travelers.

I don’t want to give me opinion or advice for fear I will hurt your feelings. But I will say this. Your build is ALL over the place. Focus on one aspect of necros for pvp. If you want help and are NA hit me up in game.

Leveling is too simple for a guide I think…. either go full damage and Wells or minions for leveling.

Back in the US, be back in Boston tonight around 11 if interested in that duel! Or Wednesday or friday!

Still sounds like a bunch of whiners who can’t hack it. So they say the game doesn’t take that much skill even though they can’t break into the top echelon of pvp…. but of course if you “felt” like it you could right…..