Guild Wars 2

Tadsoul.6951:

The Trait is mediocore I would have to say. I take the trait in my power build but in my condi build i take staff mastery. I agree with lordrosicky that you can’t balance this trait on a 10 or 7 second cooldown.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Well on a condi spec the icd being 10s is irrelevent. You cant go into ds on a condi spec every 10s just to get this benefit and then flash out straight away because then you are super vulnerable. And you should know to only go into ds every 15 s or so on a condi build anyway when doom and dark path are off cooldown.

Then you spend a few seconds at least in death shourd.

So this trait basically reads remove 1 condi every 20 seconds IF you have life force.

If anet is willing to buff this trait to make it more desirable and add more synergy to it with its trait line i’d suggest to convert one condition into a boon when entering death shroud

Call it Shroud of Power?

Ynot.8397:

NeXeD.3042:

Ynot.8397:

I really like shrouded removal for power builds because they really have the most to fear from those immob spamming builds and they usually don’t last as well with condis. I like staff mastery more on condi builds because I use soul marks and it helps to get the extra life force. This is especially true at the start of the match.

If you like shrouded removal so much you should try out the sigils that give back conditions. I think they’re called generosity. I’ve found that those have been really fun in pvp. They are not really necessary but it can be really useful.

Are you sacrificing master of terror for soul marks? not sure that’s the best idea unless you have 6 in spite…. still even then your losing some good cc duration… and sacrificing points in curses For dm traits….. for staff… play what you like I suppose but eventually I think every necro figures out our place in pvp is +1 bursting the living kitten out of people.

You really don’t need master of terror to burst people down. I generally have no issues. With my build I can keep myself up while being focused so the team doesn’t need to keep me alive. I feel like that is well worth the trade off. I also run a much tankier than average spectral build though.

What exactly is the build you are running? From your first comments I though it was condi, but your saying spectral build…. so not condi? Or is it condi without terror? or are you just calling it spectral while taking no spectral traits? Or do you forego one of the only reasons to be a condi necro in Corrupt Boon?

If your build is so tanky then I’m guessing your burst is pretty much nil.

Everyone eventually figured out our role is +1 bursting people down. You’ll figure it out too =)

Ynot.8397:

I really like shrouded removal for power builds because they really have the most to fear from those immob spamming builds and they usually don’t last as well with condis. I like staff mastery more on condi builds because I use soul marks and it helps to get the extra life force. This is especially true at the start of the match.

If you like shrouded removal so much you should try out the sigils that give back conditions. I think they’re called generosity. I’ve found that those have been really fun in pvp. They are not really necessary but it can be really useful.

Are you sacrificing master of terror for soul marks? not sure that’s the best idea unless you have 6 in spite…. still even then your losing some good cc duration… and sacrificing points in curses For dm traits….. for staff… play what you like I suppose but eventually I think every necro figures out our place in pvp is +1 bursting the living kitten out of people.

xDudisx.5914:

Remove it completely would be bad but it could get a nerf on how much hp it heals per second. Maybe 5-10% per second.

This would still screw necromancers so hard….. would have to seriously buff their sustain if this happened… which would of course cause dps nerfs which would then push power necros further down the totem pole.

I know necromancers aren’t the only class to balance around blah blah blah but I feel the need to champion them occasionally and this would be kittening horrible for them especially once the already buggy flesh worm is nerfed into oblivion.

But who would ever put anything in death magic for pve.

That resistance thing could be legit but you would need an icd greater than ntd.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

NeXeD.3042:

also lately I’ve been putting 4 in spite in condi builds instead of dm.

Let me guess: Spiteful Spirit and Chill of Death.

I would not use Shrouded Removal on every build. I prefer it on Unholy Sanctuary builds over general condi builds, since US is typically on Power builds and as such doesn’t have the transfers condi builds do. It’s still better than people give it credit for, however.

Yup, but it also let’s me take weakening shroud instead of hemophilia since I made up the condi duration. kinda sucks not having greater marks sometimes but it helps with eles And engis.

robertul.3679:

Ranger is great roamer, great range, average skill cap. Not amazing in pvp though.

tell that to eura.

That would screw necromancers soooo hard.

To be fair he’s not playing the right build I doubt he is running vigor traits, without vigor and elemental shielding a d/d ele wouldnt last agaisnt a good power necro.

Yeah I actually agree with rosicky here…. seems pretty underwhelming to me, only build I ever go into death magic is a condi build and I have an extremely hard time ever taking that over staff mastery just due to having more condi spam, transfer, poison fields, blast, and a fear…. on lower cooldowns. also couple with the fact I use WoP more than most people I just can’t take it….. also lately I’ve been putting 4 in spite in condi builds instead of dm.

WOP is amazing. having vigor on a necro is pretty cool and it works for condi necros just as good as power.

Zenith.7301:

NeXeD.3042:

I think with the changes to multiple things and the addition of the specialty necros will be in an extremely good place soon, especially power necros.

You don’t even know what those changes are… and how the other already top tier classes are getting specialties and changes too.

I know one of our biggest issues is mobility and the classes that can abuse that own power necros and won’t be able to jump around as fast anymore. sounds also like lich will pulse stab, making it much more deadly.

Yah I dunno I just do it naturally now. There are a few tricks with necro where you don’t have to wait for the skill to be fully cast to work, some others where you can still stow to cast something else faster.

zone.1073:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

However, speaking of inconsistencies, it is possible to dodge during your cast of Life Blast and not interrupt it.

May I ask how?

Hit dodge right in last 1/4th of the lb cast.

I think with the changes to multiple things and the addition of the specialty necros will be in an extremely good place soon, especially power necros.

Roe.3679:

I can’t speak for EU, but nos is in a league of his own in NA. I only know of 3 other necros that come close, and that’s it. I’m not sure who all these incredible necro pvpers are that could be winning thousands of dollars at pvp but just don’t because they are too chill for it.

^ I agree about the “too chill for it” lol.

hateuy, firebird whose the other one? RIP? rawface?

Hatuey is the only one that comes close as a condi necro. But u haven’t seen him in a whileeeeeee

Wtf do pve players always have to come and be all like “kitten pvp kitten yo couch”

Just makes me feel better when pve gets nerfed due to pvp Balance…

Roe.3679:

NeXeD.3042:

Nos got rekt because he played like kitten, anyone who has seen him play before knows mobility and getting focused isn’t usually a problem for him, he wasn’t expertly porting with Wurm and walk like he normally does so he was never able to build enough life force to matter. Honestly I didn’t see orng focus him particularly hard. He wasn’t the only one who had some bad games either…. phanta and Chaith both also had some bad cames…. pretty sure denshee rekt phanta a few times 1v1 as well as get dropped in the start a little too quickly. I don’t think necros are in a horrible place he just played badly That day.

The guys who have hardly lost a game in months all of a sudden played as badly as you describe on the biggest stage? Or did they get outplayed and it made them look like they played badly?

I dunno I would say a little bit of both….. but I mean if you watched Nos really didn’t play well, and while the cameraman kind of sucked….. so we didn’t get to see some of the 1v1 fights and whatnot… like we had no idea what the kitten happened when abjureds whole team wiped because he was looking at some random point…..

But come the kitten on if you’ve watched Nos a decent amount you have to admit it was more than just getting outplayed, some of them just played like kitten…. it seemed like a few games they had the rotatons perfectly thought they were gonna win relaxed a little then got kittening rekt hard.

Tbh while watching the wts I started rooting for players over teams. Eura’s play was kittening awesome, wish he didn’t go condi ranger. Tage was a kittening animal, rom was just absolutely ridiculous. Denshee was winning every 1v1 that came his way… those are the things I noticed most Aside from Nos just not playing well. Chaith and phanta didn’t have strong games either.

Nos got rekt because he played like kitten, anyone who has seen him play before knows mobility and getting focused isn’t usually a problem for him, he wasn’t expertly porting with Wurm and walk like he normally does so he was never able to build enough life force to matter. Honestly I didn’t see orng focus him particularly hard. He wasn’t the only one who had some bad games either…. phanta and Chaith both also had some bad cames…. pretty sure denshee rekt phanta a few times 1v1 as well as get dropped in the start a little too quickly. I don’t think necros are in a horrible place he just played badly That day.

We don’t need anymore speed, and it’s active is still bad the active should be like rtl where we turn into locust and leech on hit. Bam, sort of a port, more build diversity, looks awesome.

Bhawb.7408:

I’m honestly not sure why 2s would be too much. By making it 3 they make it so that anyone with a secured stomp will be able to stomp the person you are trying to res before you even finish casting.

Might help a little bit if it’s a coordinated team a lot of the time they can call out when they are about to die.

I too would love to see a video, an unchopped one from ranked pvp, plz no hotjoin chopped to hell.

spoj.9672:

Regular swaps do not interrupt the auto attack.

I have all that off aswell. And it keeps auto attacking. Entering/exiting DS is the only time it breaks.

I guess I would never notice since I press 1 anyway

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

NeXeD.3042:

NeHoMaR.9812:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

if you just swap weapons and don’t use any skills, then it remains off.

Maybe you have different game options? because mine never stop the autoattack on weapon change, see the video. And that’s the way it worked in 3 years.

Do you have auto targeting or whatever on?

I turned mine off for use with leap skills on other professions, which could be a large part of it.

Yeah I’ve got all the auto crap off too.

as a power necro I’m actually pretty excited about this….. sorry =(

Now maybe I won’t get stuck playing d/d ele everytime I play with people or in AG tourney.

You can place marks behind you when immobilized. use a look behind keybind.

NeHoMaR.9812:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

if you just swap weapons and don’t use any skills, then it remains off.

Maybe you have different game options? because mine never stop the autoattack on weapon change, see the video. And that’s the way it worked in 3 years.

Do you have auto targeting or whatever on?

witcher.3197:

Holl.3109:

Nebulizer.3276:

Just recently came back and had been playing my guard/war/mes in pvp and finally decided to try out power necro. I have to say I’m having a blast and find it hard to believe that we didn’t see it played at all in the WTS which makes me a bit sad, but that said I’ve been absolutely crushing with Power necro in pvp atm. If you slip up you can be bursted in a sec but i’ve had multiple 2v1 and 3v1 on point where i took them down and just flip out at my desk lol.

Nice video and keep up the good work.

3v1? Power necro? On point? Whattttttt…? Even I couldn’t achieve that 0-0 well gg!

He’s likely talking about hotjoin and is questioning the decision of WTS players based on that. kek

Yeah but holl doesn’t it in him to be mean

Have you actually won a game in ranked against decent opponents? I can’t find you on the current or old leaderboards….. not that it matters that much…

Look your trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, and I think after playing enough ranked games you’ll figure it out.

These are the two builds I have been using lately,

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQRBHRhG2IHN90WdjtNc4mAXog8ACgI/gTg62IMeWA-TZBFwACOIAl2fYxJAoaZAAPBAA

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQRBHRhG2IHN902SjtNc4mAXog+ACgWIqPg6zIMeWA-TZBFwACOIA12fYxJAoaZAAPBAA

I have two more that I have been experimenting with but these are my “go to”

If you are having trouble with surviving against certain classes, builds, situations maybe I can help. When I was fist breaking into pvp I too attempted to go the tankier route and I too thought I was “right” eventually you figure out why the meta builds are what they are. It’s because they fill roles…. yours is attempting to fill a role better suited by eles and engis….. also you keep saying theives… as a power necro you should be like 2 shotting them…. if one comes near me when I have daggers out and he doesn’t have a stunbreak I’m going to kill him in 2 seconds. That being said I’m of the opinion that a good theives, mesmers, and medi guards give power necros some trouble…. but the theif has to play perfectly…. if he screws up I get to melt him.

Congrats ORNG definitely deserved it.

your joking right…… I can’t even respond to what you just said….. “oh the only difference is he didn’t go 6 into a trait line that I did” your 6 into that trait line is the only thing that makes your build bad, he also has dp and has chill of death…… 4/4/0/0/6 is a common setup for a spectral necromancer and it’s probably just as tanky as yours while also having a good deal more damage. I should know considering I have been playing that build for a very long time.

No one uses knights…… vitality>toughness. If he is using knights that that’s bad too. But I doubt it.

I have seen the math and rabid is better after two heals or something like that, I dunno about you but I haven’t had many fights where I’ve been IN the fight long enough to get consume conditions off twice.

Muchacho.2390:

Flumek.9043:

Ur harder to burst down. 0 heals carrion ehp is biger, 1 heal each theyre exactly same, after 2 heals the rabid ehp is bigger (ignoring condis ofcourse).

This is actually not correct. If we only assume direct damage. Toughness gives more ehp before any heals then vitality (though not much).

Here are the calculations i made for health only: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/I-really-want-to-use-necro-in-pvp/first#post4645252

For DS i also made the calculations and it had the same result (though i am not sure if it is in that post). And yes even if LF generation scales with vitality, toughness still scales better against direct damage.

The vitality vs toughness thing really comes more down to preferance (and how good you can deal with conditions). Toughness is better against direct damage but useless against conditions or lifesiphons (lol), while vitality gives you general defence againsts all kind of attacks (and thus is better against those celestrial monkeys).

The reason why to take carrion over rabid is because power is better then precision for the most part (you still can presure in DS and a mixture of direct damage and condition damage has its advantages). Though some people would argue with the torment sigil, precision becomes good enough to go with rabid over carrion.

Pretty sure we have gone over this a million kittening times… and you say the same hlthing everytime and everytime a bunch of people have math that says carrion is better against getting bursted.

Trybil.1567:

I have tried a variation of this build in sPvP, and I kind of like it. (4/4/0/0/6 with rune of forge, spectral mastery/attune).

With the extra protection, plus longer duration / shorter recharge spectral skills, I find I can both survive better and recharge DS faster; then still do decent damage in DS with close to 100% crit rate. Add Plague as an elite and you can hold a point for quite a while against multiple attackers, and maybe kill one of them before help arrives.
Probably not a “meta” worthy build but a nice change of pace with a fun gameplay to it.

Thats not even close to being close to the same build, that one is actually decent since you don’t put any traits into kitten trait lines.

Ragion.2831:

NeXeD.3042:

Ragion.2831:

Holl.3109:

I’m always up for duels

Damage, well it would take some time to do a video but you are welcome to try the build, if you want a damage comparison, it will be pretty close to zerker because the stats arent too far off.

As for duels, i havent used necro the past few months very much after discovering thief. It would take a couple days of only playing necro to be really fluent with the class again. Its so bad in pvp especially that i sometimes now have to look at my skill bar.

If i were to duel it would be with thief.

I think you should get reacquainted with necro before attempting to “discuss” pvp builds with experienced pvp necromancers rather than just dismiss what we are saying to you =(

The damage of your build will not be anywhere near close to what the “sort of meta” build I use pumps out.

reacquainted with necro? ive played nothing but necro for 2 years, i got 60 of 80 pvp ranks with that class, played quite a lot of it after the last feature pack. I wanted something new then switched to thief fairly recently. The way people play hasn’t changed, the only thing is ive rcently lost some fluidity with my skills but the build’s effectiveness is still the same.

Look if your pure glass necro works for you, well by all means have fun with it. This build is just meant to solve a particular problem with glass towers, dealing with multiple zerkers.

Your solution doesn’t solve the problems well enough to be worth it.

You can use wurm to teleport from the ground to the walkway in clock tower just like theif.

Sounds like EU maybe had population issues? I see people from high level teams occasionally as well and I even had some ranger that killed beast at begging of game then kittened at me after I abandoned him at mid because he was glass it was a 4v2. I ended up decapping far and holding a 2v1 for a minute before fgsing away.

Holl.3109:

NeXeD, You play spectral right? 4/4/0/0/6?

I play both 6/2/0/0/6 and the 4/4/0/0/6 depending on what the other comp is. I change my build and utils slightly while staying power necro in an attempt to counter comp, if I don’t think I’m going to be able to I’ll switch to my dd ele.

Ragion.2831:

Holl.3109:

I’m always up for duels

Damage, well it would take some time to do a video but you are welcome to try the build, if you want a damage comparison, it will be pretty close to zerker because the stats arent too far off.

As for duels, i havent used necro the past few months very much after discovering thief. It would take a couple days of only playing necro to be really fluent with the class again. Its so bad in pvp especially that i sometimes now have to look at my skill bar.

If i were to duel it would be with thief.

I think you should get reacquainted with necro before attempting to “discuss” pvp builds with experienced pvp necromancers rather than just dismiss what we are saying to you =(

The damage of your build will not be anywhere near close to what the “sort of meta” build I use pumps out.

Well unless you all magically say it at the exact same time it’s pretty hard to prove it’s not following suit =(

NA here and I’m still without lag…. just saying.

I too have had a fantastic time in pvp and I soloq like 90% of the time….. I don’t think any of us are the exception. I think the people who don’t enjoy are more likely to whine one the forums than people are to come on the forums and say how wonderful it is =)

Ragion.2831:

NeXeD.3042:

Ragion.2831:

NeXeD.3042:

US is dog kitten. Your utilities suck besides SA, not very useful in a teamfight, you should swap that offhand dagger to go with axe and use warhorn with dagger. Seems like a dueling build but you won’t be able to beat a decent 6/2/0/0/6 necro or or even. 4/4/0/0/6.

I guess I’m having trouble figuring out what role this build is supposed to fill, no area denial, lacking dps, no group support(not like we can trait for that anyway).

Sorry for the criticism. But it is what it is.

Criticism is welcome. Aside from spec armour the utilities and weapons are flexible. If i want more damage to really damage assist, i can switch the grasp to blood is power which gives almost 2500 power at 50% crit (70 with trait).

Area denial for just over a second is really pointless considering the damage staff does. The fear only serves as an interruption of a particular skill, like heals. It makes more sense to interrupt with spec grasp which gives 22% life force and closes the range for your much better damage skills. Just use ds if you are worried about area defence.

Grasp is buggy and the only reason its giving you lf is because you sacrificed ctd and dp. Use warhorn and ds 3 for interupts, I tried to make it work for a while after holl but he used it to get people in his wells, ds is not an area defense and I said denial not defense….. I wasn’t even talking about staff WvW gwen meta is wells necro. That said staff isn’t a condi weapon it’s basically another utility bar.

I really have no clue what exactly you are trying to combat here…. as for the theif engaging disengaging and reengaging there is literally nothing you can do about that against a good theif…. You can’t win a fight like that by trying to be tanky and out sustain him, best bet is to try and kill him in 2-3 seconds which is very possible if played right and it’s not a dire perplexity theif.

It seems like you are trying to reinvent our class as though no one has tried a build like this…. I know I have and I keep going back to my normal builds death magic just sucks currently. US is weak, rp isn’t very useful without terror and even on the builds it’s most useful people usually take greater marks Lately. Having the extra toughness is nice and all but if you couldn’t hit the target without toughness what makes you think you’ll hit them now?

I updated my last reply.

Re invent the class? this is what the class is, mitigating damage while dealing damage. I have used this build for months and this build only existed as of the last feature pack and there are still a lot of glass power necros roaming around.

For me, a duel and a gank is the same thing, a gank is only several duels happening at the same time.

What im trying to do is very simple, taking damage from multiple sources while dealing damage to one person.

The toughness allows you to inflict chip damage for longer periods on evasive classes. And Death magic is very far from bad. You can start a fear chain with reapers protection on thieves and mesmers for example and we both know fear chains can kill those classes. There is shrouded removal, which is actually really useful, for breaking fears especially. Then theres my favourite, unholy sanctuary, this doesnt even need an explanation.

Sure you can burst a thief in 3 seconds but thief might as well be afk because that is not possible against a skilled and properly built thief.

If you are on NA I can prove to you the death magic and us is crap. I can also prove to you I can burst down a theif. If your on EU I’ll let flow and holl handle it.

Ragion.2831:

NeXeD.3042:

US is dog kitten. Your utilities suck besides SA, not very useful in a teamfight, you should swap that offhand dagger to go with axe and use warhorn with dagger. Seems like a dueling build but you won’t be able to beat a decent 6/2/0/0/6 necro or or even. 4/4/0/0/6.

I guess I’m having trouble figuring out what role this build is supposed to fill, no area denial, lacking dps, no group support(not like we can trait for that anyway).

Sorry for the criticism. But it is what it is.

Criticism is welcome. Aside from spec armour the utilities and weapons are flexible. If i want more damage to really damage assist, i can switch the grasp to blood is power which gives almost 2500 power at 50% crit (70 with trait).

Area denial for just over a second is really pointless considering the damage staff does. The fear only serves as an interruption of a particular skill, like heals. It makes more sense to interrupt with spec grasp which gives 22% life force and closes the range for your much better damage skills. Just use ds if you are worried about area defence.

Grasp is buggy and the only reason its giving you lf is because you sacrificed ctd and dp. Use warhorn and ds 3 for interupts, I tried to make it work for a while after holl but he used it to get people in his wells, ds is not an area defense and I said denial not defense….. I wasn’t even talking about staff WvW gwen meta is wells necro. That said staff isn’t a condi weapon it’s basically another utility bar.

I really have no clue what exactly you are trying to combat here…. as for the theif engaging disengaging and reengaging there is literally nothing you can do about that against a good theif…. You can’t win a fight like that by trying to be tanky and out sustain him, best bet is to try and kill him in 2-3 seconds which is very possible if played right and it’s not a dire perplexity theif.

It seems like you are trying to reinvent our class as though no one has tried a build like this…. I know I have and I keep going back to my normal builds death magic just sucks currently. US is weak, rp isn’t very useful without terror and even on the builds it’s most useful people usually take greater marks Lately. Having the extra toughness is nice and all but if you couldn’t hit the target without toughness what makes you think you’ll hit them now?

BurrTheKing.8571:

NeXeD.3042:

BurrTheKing.8571:

There’s something up on the game’s side for sure. I’ve had games where everyone freezes up and after it ends basically everyone says something to the effect of “What just happened?”

I’ve also seen a lot of desync issues where I hit someone with Skull Crack, then a half second later they jump to where the server decides they actually are. Of course by then I missed my follow up attack.

i thought the when a player does something like that its usually them lagging, just make sure to at least talk to you ISP before you blame anet… im still without lag….

For the second one maybe. However, when the majority of a server all admits to freezing at the same time, that’s not my ISP.

I find when one person claims lag the rest follow suit especially if they are losing or dnt think they are playing well.

Are you EU by any chance?

Holl.3109:

I think the build overall is pretty good, but I need to know what kind of damage it does.

The stats look good, but on 6/2/0/0/6, close to death and DP is what makes do some really nice damage. Without at least on of those, I think it won’t do enough damage to successfully put enough pressure on the target for him to drop.

It wont, and us is useless without any healing power. he’s attempting to make up for lack of dps with sigils, but the other builds use those sigils too, because he needs the offense he can’t use energy sigils and he’s got no vigor so just count the dodges watch for SA and its dead. He goes a little more into curse for crit chance but loses out on 100% crit chance in ds and loses out on ferocity as well as life force, missing that chill of death spike damage removal as well as the the huge dps increase from close to death.

Like I said it looks like a dueling build but I can’t see why it’s supposed to be dueling against.

US is dog kitten. Your utilities suck besides SA, not very useful in a teamfight, you should swap that offhand dagger to go with axe and use warhorn with dagger. Seems like a dueling build but you won’t be able to beat a decent 6/2/0/0/6 necro or or even. 4/4/0/0/6.

I guess I’m having trouble figuring out what role this build is supposed to fill, no area denial, lacking dps, no group support(not like we can trait for that anyway).

Sorry for the criticism. But it is what it is.

his build is better than yours for spvp. Which is prbably why it is widely agreed upon that we are not attrition even if you use US which is still dog kitten. If you are on NA I can show you why.

BurrTheKing.8571:

There’s something up on the game’s side for sure. I’ve had games where everyone freezes up and after it ends basically everyone says something to the effect of “What just happened?”

I’ve also seen a lot of desync issues where I hit someone with Skull Crack, then a half second later they jump to where the server decides they actually are. Of course by then I missed my follow up attack.

i thought the when a player does something like that its usually them lagging, just make sure to at least talk to you ISP before you blame anet… im still without lag….

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQRBLRhG2IHNd22Yj1N83mAXom6JgeBCgoN6MYCyXA-TZhGwAf2fgwJAYZZAAPBgCHEAA

Try this.

fernandinajazz.4068:

Brigg.6189:

transparent banning system

Honestly, this is what we want.

I do have a question. If a team were to run the full Radioactive Build (2 Banner Resbot Warriors, 2 Power Necros, and a res-sustain ele) in the tournament, would there be a limitation on the the resbot warriors?

You guys need a power necro? =)