Guild Wars 2

Malice.8439:

As a lifelong Mesmer, I can tell you that it’s definately the most challenging and rewarding thing to play (if not incredibly frustrating to level).

The class is all about illusions, deception and denial of reality. It lends itself to some pretty interesting mechanics that feel great when you can pull them off, and rather punishing if you should make a mistake.

Deceiving mindless AI. So challenging.

I can’t say I agree with many of these points.

Class stacking is a byproduct of amulet stacking, and that there are singular amulets that are much better than the rest. You can have two necromancers that are completely different because of what amulets they suggest. Whilst what you suggest can alleviate the symptom of class stacking, by cutting it off, removing amulets will just make people min max the same meta builds they were using before, but with much greater potency. It won’t alleviate the problem.

The idea situation of course, is build diversity, that you can have 5 guardians in the same game all running different builds and still doing ok, but I doubt that can happen.

I can agree with toning down the passive stun break procs and definitely can agree with the cd reductions being removed. I can’t really agree with the rest.

Honestly if you can cast the visual vomit that is guild wars 2 you can cast anything.

There’s really no class because the pre-80 pve in this game is garbage and you can get through it auto attacking

Ithilwen.1529:

I like Ele too. Tempest is hard to play at lower ranks except as a point holder. Many players will actually run out or your aoe buffs.

I think at low skill levels you should stay out of the thick of a fight until all the traps and cooldowns go off, then air attunement in for major profit.

Hahahaha was a 0/10 until i read the last dlc. 10/10

Well yeah, i use those in ranked, and also a condition damage variant. Gets pretty boring though

Honestly the game’s rifle Movesets are possibly the most boring of all weapons, i don’t see people’s infatuations with getting the thief to have one.

Oh and also, there are no utilities in the game that specify a specific weapon to use. Another reason why this espec won’t work

Jugglemonkey.8741:

Just a couple of thoughts:

Is the rifle to be a 1200 range weapon or 1500 range? Putting an extended range on a minor trait for a weapon that can’t be used without the spec is a bit redundant by the way, might as well just state the ranges in the skills.

That said, if it’s 1200 brought to 1500 with sonic bullets, it’s gonna be useless for two reasons: firstly druids/dragonhunters will outrange you with their longbows (and even if the range is higher there isn’t much you can do to stop them, they have way better defensive capabilities), and secondly the spec does almost nothing to help you survive a warrior or daredevil getting close. In fact it hinders you, since the spec removes the ability to use survival skills like shadowstep. Where are the stun breaks? I see you have permanent stability while attacking, but without a ranged autoattack to keep stacking stab all I have to do is go defensive while you fire, wait for the reload and you’re up guano creek without a paddle. You can’t run from me or kite without swapping weapon sets, at which point you’re a core thief that’s missing a specialisation.

Outside of daredevil, the only condi cleanse you’d have without utilities is pain response and shadows embrace. You only have one way of stealthing on the set, which presumably will have a cooldown, so you’re going to be eaten alive by basically any condi class as long as they save their spike for when you just swap to rifle.

Then there’s the issue of tankiness. If you make the damage coefficients such that you can be tanky, in order to offset the mentioned lack of defense, then a glass rifle thief will deal insane damage. If you make it so you have to build glass (like the rest of the profession currently works), then it’s going to be useless due to an almost total lack of active and passive defense.

Lastly, it seems clunky. You want us to press the utility buttons in a specific order to load the bullets, while immobile, and then press the utility buttons in the correct order to fire the bullets, with minimal stealth or evades, no passive defense and more than likely glass stats? Unless I’ve misread something, there’s not much point to the 5 skill loading bullets randomly if you press the utilities to fire the specific bullet you want. That and the melee autoattack means the weapon has no sustained DPS at range, and with the lack of defense and stunbreaks it’s useless at close range too, forcing you to swap to your second set when pressured.

I’m not trying to be harsh or anything, I just don’t understand how this is going to be anything but a death sentence when swapping to rifle in its current state.

See what I mean? It reads like fan fiction and has nothing about it that makes sense with the current game engine.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQJARWnc0At0g10A22A0biFcBDqNFAOATZhmQVI+KuFDjA-TZRGABrv/gBHCgyvAAdXGAgnAAA

Been using this as my unranked build (because ranked is serious business)

Really liking the quickness hijinks that this build can do.

Drop a well > grave digger
Drop a well > heal
Flash shroud while using a greatsword > grave digger

I think the nightfall + well of corruption can be pretty good for fighting on point as well.

Ithilwen.1529:

So you suggest I play classes I’m unfamiliar with and don’t like instead? That isn’t logical.

I don’t think it’s illogical, it sounds counter intuitive, but you know that phrase know your enemy? You learn heaps.

NEW MANIFESTO please please please. Somebody else needs to talk about swinging swords.

Kahrgan.7401:

ima kongkittenninja.3052:

You are surprised? I’ve seen this coming since November:(

I saw it when ESL became a thing. I believe my words were “The game is so unbalanced atm, why are they pushing any type of esports?”

And here we are.

Bad management, poor design choices, a lack of vision from the game director, and a lack of proper communication.

It FEELS like people at anet are just lazy, I know thats not the case (well I hope, at least), because they hardly get anything done., and when they do it’s a mess.

Axe is in a pretty good place right now IMO.

You know. All of these queuing and stacking problems is born from the fact that there isn’t a selection system like other games. The fact that you enter a game pre-selected is a problematic system that causes all these issues.

Wow…a warrior complaining about fight resetting? That’s rich.

I’m suggesting multiple classes can’t use the same amulet because, for example berserker and marauder can only be 2 total out of 5. It gets licked once you’re in the match.

But i can get behind the one amulet per player thing. Although there are a lot of very similar amulets, and a whole bunch of bunker amulets would still be bad, even if they are all unique.

You’re suggesting the same thing, except the amulet will indicate your queue time. The problem with class stacking is, you can have say two rangers but with completely different capabilities.

The amulet however, essentially defines their build.

Contacting Arenanet support us part of the legendary journey.

So there’s a bunch of topics about bringing back amulets that got removed (no celestial, you stay dead), and there’s a bunch of topics about class stacking. I thought of an idea that might actually solve both problems, and improve the SPvP scene in the process.

So let’s say we bring back some of the removed amulets, even ones that seemed too good, like mercenary. My idea is that once you queue, your amulet is locked. Match making will not put you in teams that’s will stack several of the same amulets together. In fact, the match making algorithms will put together a team that won’t be completely bunkers or vice versa.

Now, you can still change classes at the beginning of the match but your amulet will still be fixed. Yes, if you aren’t aware of what your other class build is you’re stuffed, so change at your own peril.

Maybe they can get some UI upgrades behind this, like let you see what amulets your team is using, and maybe the pool of amulets in PvP currently, so you can adjust your amulet for quicker match making.

The goal behind this is, conquest some what needs defined roles, or at the very least you should be able to tell what your team is capable of, without writing an essay at the start.

Good pvp games all have this. Look at DotA 2’s hero selection interface. The game will compile a teams statistics to let the team know how much there ability to push or defend is, with zero communication. We don’t have that. We need that.

The idea is still terrible. No espec changes the core trait lines. You might as well rewrite the whole game at this point. This sounds like fan fiction

You know…you actually get better by playing every class in the game. You naturally react to animations and just perform better all round. Then you can carry your team.

Ithilwen.1529:

Nighthawk.4687:

It still baffles me Ithilwen how you have such a terrible win rate with the number of games you have played. Like do you just refuse to learn why you lose? And keep making the same mistakes over and over and over and just never getting better at the game?

I’ve seen your play in game, it’s not that great. You spend way to much time making posts on the forums about how stuff is OP instead of thinking “Hmm how can I beat this”? I know you play some weird Mesmer build because you think the meta is lame, but when you lose this many games can you really tell yourself with confidence that your build is working?

Like legit if you cant figure it out on your own I will duel you repeatedly and dissect your gameplay/build. Because clearly whatever you are trying is not working lol.

I freely admit that during loss streaks, I’m a rotten sport.

Still, I haven’t asked a fellow player to commit suicide. Others have encouraged me to kill myself rather than be on there team. I refuse to feel bad about giving back as good as I get. Turnabout’s fair play and all that.

I’ve never claimed to be a great player. My win rate is currently slightly above 50% in Ranked and I’ve improved greatly since last season. This is despite choosing to play a core build for aesthetics’ sake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeYn_W14zTU

Its ok. You know I love you.

Zxavier Augistine.7312:

Woof.8246:

This ^-^
Its not the problem of the top players/streamers , to do this

This, PVP was boring to watch at least with a MOBA i can understand the match and i know when an important objective has been taken and when some big upset happens. in gw2’s pvp if you lose a point 5 seconds later it would be capped again. if a player dies, theres very little weight behind it and considering that theres no counterplay to be heard of aside from “cleanse those condi, pop stab, heal up.”

ask yourself how do you counter a heal or a cleanse? use a CC? how can you tell as a spectator what just happened? boring to watch not too fun to play, and even with skill, Anet’a balance team made little to no effort to open up build diversity or more importantly CLASS diversity.

in short its not the community’s fault the community is what kept ESL running as long as it did, when was the last time someone from the LoL or Smite, or DoTA community talking about how they want to come to GW2 for the pvp? meanwhile Helseth went to Smite, spoke about smite, and is playing smite. dont see a big name from any mobas on our game, and promoting it in the off season do ya?

This. Accusing the community for a failed venture they had little to no opportunity to course-correct is one of the most unintelligent comments said on this forum.

Use the leftover funds (if any) and make another manifesto video. Make it PvP orientated!

I was one of the lucky people to have been trash talked by OP during unranked. But OP lost that match, and to think I may have contributed to that screenshot is glorious.

JTGuevara.9018:

Honestly, I’m not surprised. This esports crusade was destined to fail.

All that esports marketing….for what? 1000 twitch views? OP elite specs? Lack of balance? Broken leagues? No separate queues? Dwindling players?

Sadly, some in this community thought that esports was a good thing was this game, that it made PvP “competitive”. Well…it’s not. It’s failed. Esports was an albatross on PvPs neck that kept it from progressing. Now there’s a chance, if ANet is willing, to finally fix PvP to at least make it fun to play.

I hope ANet and this community learned a lesson from this. A game needs to be fundamentally good before it can be competitive. It’s NEVER the other way around.

“I hope ANet and this community learned a lesson from this. A game needs to be fundamentally good before it can be competitive. It’s NEVER the other way around.”

I was thinking of mailing something along the lines of this as a plaque to MO, you with me?

Zxavier Augistine.7312:

while im happy to hear that Anet’s hubris bit them in the backside and refused to let go in this case. a thought occurs to me, maybe this is because they’re losing devs to other companies?

Mike O said a while ago hes looking for a new lead dev with no announcement on finding someone new, theres been people leaving left and right, maybe they dont have the people to actually do anything about this, or fixing wvw, or producing more content for pve?

dont get me wrong, im still salty over seeing WvW being left behind in the dust and glad to see that competitive pvp not being a thing in the near future, i still think its probably due to the company being understaffed and not fully up to the task at this moment.

still my original opinion stands that at this moment, this is a good thing and bad thing for gw2. hopefully more good than bad, as much as i want gw2 to succeed in turning this around, i want them to take this lesson and actually learn from it.

there was a time when the devs listened to us and wanted our feedback and shared with us, now theyre as cold as ice with us and have turned their back so viciously that a ban or a reprimand or a thread lock is always the first thing on their minds rather than understanding and comprehending the issue thats being addressed.

https://www.glassdoor.com.au/Reviews/ArenaNet-Reviews-E255820.htm

this is interesting, take it with a grain of salt though.

Faux Play.6104:

Ramoth.9064:

Faux Play.6104:

lorddavito.2395:

If only they listened to the community This could have been avoided.

The community doesn’t have the best track record for recommending changes. I would also argue that the community did not go out of its way to make it successful. There were a few people that made an effort to make it successful, but not nearly enough.

I strongly disagree. This is borderline victim shaming. They give us a kitten product and expect high community participation, then without making crucial changes they continue shoving it down our throat and expect us to like it? Sorry, not with you here. Not the community’s fault. This is all on Arenanet and they deserved it. #toddlerfistbumpmeme

That is an interesting twist of logic confusing personal accountability with victim shaming. If a game manufacturer doesn’t implement changes you want after you already paid for the product, does that make you a victim? The only way I’ll believe you are a victim is if you in a third world labor camp where you are chained to a desk and forced to farm gold in GW2 for food. If so you better not waste your time on the forums or you won’t be eating well tonight.

Any successful sporting community had tons of champions for the game at all levels. There are plenty of volunteer coaches at introductory levels, and opportunities for players to learn from more experienced people and play the game the right way.

For the most part people only play sPvP for an in game reward, and do whatever they can to get their rewards as fast as possible. They don’t care how their actions affect other players or the community at a whole. Whether it was stacking a pro league team with all the best players, smurfing, queue dodging, match manipulation, afking, flaming someone that made a mistake…

Whether people chose to believe it or not, their actions are just as powerful as the mechanics of the game. There are plenty of games out there that are more or less the same. They all have flaws and their good points, but some are more popular than others. The best technical solution isn’t always the most popular.

You said the community didn’t go out of its way to make it successful. Sorry, but LULWAT? how is it at all the community’s fault? The made a kitten product, they can’t possibly tell us to enjoy it when it isn’t enjoyable.

Zietlogik.6208:

https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Player_versus_Player

Anet needs to revisit their roots…because the sapling they are trying to grow has almost completely withered away.

My suggestion for a basic tutorial (which I have revisited probably 10 times in the past 5 years, completely ignored)
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/again-TUTORIAL-please/first#post6546315

In GW1, at the end of the tutorial you get thrown into a pvp match for a taste of pvp. They needed that here.

OriOri.8724:

You hit the nail on the head with what the problem is. Elite specs offer straight upgrades to class mechanics, on top of the lines already being very powerful for the most part.

Still though, I don’t think you fully flesh out why this happened. Look at chrono and mesmer. Chrono’s mechanic is F5, but lets look at the elite spec as a whole. Its designed to fix several problems with core mesmer (namely, self defeating core mesmer mechanic. Too difficult for shatters to land anymore due to the plethora of AoEs that kill the clones instantly, low personal damage combined with low team support outside of reflects and boon sharing via SoI [base mesmer has no alacrity and its quickness generation is not that good honestly]), and it does “fix” them. However it fixes them by buffing other stuff to the point of absurdity (at least it did at launch) instead of Anet actually fixing the problems at the core mesmer level.

Just for example, ANet could improve the entire illusion and shatter mechanic for mesmers. Then they could do away with both IR and chronophantasma, turn them into more unique traits that don’t just encourage shatter spam. There are just some things that need to be fixed at the core level for some classes before they will be able to compete with elite specs, because the elite specs just fix problems in the design itself of a few classes.

It addresses the core mesmer at a low skill level. I’m not a terrible player but I went up against someone who competed in the ESL who was using a core mesmer scholar shatter build and I was obliterated.

Faux Play.6104:

lorddavito.2395:

If only they listened to the community This could have been avoided.

The community doesn’t have the best track record for recommending changes. I would also argue that the community did not go out of its way to make it successful. There were a few people that made an effort to make it successful, but not nearly enough.

I strongly disagree. This is borderline victim shaming. They give us a kitten product and expect high community participation, then without making crucial changes they continue shoving it down our throat and expect us to like it? Sorry, not with you here. Not the community’s fault. This is all on Arenanet and they deserved it. #toddlerfistbumpmeme

Uh… I think you list the issues well but your suggestions for balance is somewhat a joke tbh.

New language packs. Enjoy GW2’s trash story now available in tamil and bengali

Stronger together – phalanx strength

I actually like the idea behind the fall damage traits but they are garbage in pvp. Get rid of them, make them masteries.

FrostDraco.8306:

How about we just give it 5-10 secs of resistance. then it would be worth using.

Yeah an anti condition version of spectral armour, could be interesting

Ryan.9387:

The writing has been on the wall for years, competitive pvp in this game is dead.

Colin Johansen thought it was well and truly alive.

Mr Godlike.6098:

OriOri.8724:

kdaddy.5431:

OriOri.8724:

Good. Hopefully now they will focus on PvP balance for the average player, instead of ESL level players.

I dont know where you placed last season but i finished almost at plat2 .

The last PvP match i did THIS season looked liked this.

The idea of balancing for weak players wont work and it doesnt work the other way either.

I wished i taped it because i would walk into 1 vs 3 fights and they couldnt even force me to use a rebound.

That’s why I’m always asking them to balance around the average player. They need to be balancing around high gold (making an assumption about the distribution of players here). Not around bronze, and not around ESL. You will never have good balance if you balance around either end of the spectrum.

WRONG – ESL players thanks to their experience and knowledge where first ones to discover something broken or overpowered (because when they competed they where first ones to abuse it when real money was on line). Typical Gold player plays mettabattle build or TRASH build. There is nothing to balance about and even if they have experience…too many times they don’t know what rotation is.

I think it’s correct to balance around high level players. But they should still fix skills that are easy pub stomp skills

<_< seriously. now more than ever. do something.

Astralporing.1957:

zealex.9410:

I encountered this when the rework was released i dont see that as much now if ever but i guess for you to say it it still happens.

You don’t see it as often because lot of players just plain stopped doing swamp.

Ramoth.9064:

His comment was entirely subjective

Yes, that’s the point. Whether swamp is one of the best fractals is subjective. There are people (me, for example) that have a different opinion.
In short, it’s debatable.

No, theres no parameter for the debate because he didn’t definitively say it was the best, or the 5th best, or the 9th best, just one of.

the ’hahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahhahahahhaahahahaha’s were the correct response. This is what Arenanet gets for constantly ignoring the community’s issues and suggestions

Nah, not going to happen. Too low return of investment for Arenanet.

Ithilwen.1529:

You know what would help balance a lot? Delete Trapper runes.

You play mesmer. You have no reason to be caught in a trap.

Sublimatio.6981:

i’d like the duration increased to like 1 minute to be on par with mes portal.

Omg this

atheria.2837:

Cheeseball C.8395:

Thief
Traps: All traps created by the thief will have a 1-second arm time before the trap can affect enemies.
Needle Trap: This skill now delivers a strike.
Tripwire: This skill now delivers a strike.

Nope, sorry, the Ghost Thief is well and alive since I’ve been killed by two since ‘the patch’.

Invisible should be a long cooldown, not a bounce off the wall or ambient creature and be forever invisible and able to kill without ever being seen.

You can’t always blame an invisible person you know. Sometimes you just need to stop and ask yourself “am i good enough?”

It might be because you’re encumbered. All those items trying to get into your inventory causes higher ping. You should post this in players helping players section of this forum

But if you get rid of my shivers of dread ill be stuffed!

Vitali.5039:

Ramoth.9064:

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A BETTER DEFlNlTION OF WHAT lS AFFECTED BY STUN DURATlON?

STONE/REAPER’S FROST/JADE. ETC. KTHXBYE

Take a look here
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Stun

its not very useful. stuff like basilisk had to be field tested by players, its still ambiguous. does sigil of paralyzation affect knockdowns? DOES IT?

My experience with FF14 was that it was a lot less glitchy compared to GW2. Nice forum too.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Ramoth.9064:

Astralporing.1957:

CptAurellian.9537:

Bloomy is one of the best encounters in all fractals.

That’s debatable.

Is it really? He said it is one of the best, which is as far reaching a comment as you can get. What’s there to debate about that? He isn’t saying it is the definitive best.

Of course it’s debatable. Someone debated it

More seriously, some people hate the new version of Swamp; for them, there’s no chance it’s “the best” or even in the top 20 (inb4: yes, I’m aware that there are only 16 atm).

I don’t agree with that. His comment was entirely subjective, not objective or in comparison, nor were there parameters to frame an argument around to begin with. It’s like saying oxygen is one of the best chemical elements!