Guild Wars 2

For SoV first let the passive work in DS did they ever realized CC is the only heal that works in DS or should I say not countered by it?? Make the passive a siphon AKA add damage to it it’s SoV after all,the ICD’s needs to go both active and passive. I would recommend making it an AoE buff 5 stacks per allies so no issues are made with healing and the lesser trait version only put stacks on you so again no issues with healing.

Bloodfiend has regular minion/AI issues(AoE,pattern etc) other than not healing in DS. WoB needs a distinction it’s just so basic along with CPC I would recommend projectile destruction on it,change the field to dark not sure why is it light..,increase the pulsing heal scaling,let it heal in DS. It might not be enough but definitely better than baby steps.

Roe.3679:

It sort of already works that way. Since ranged attacks need targets, you can only really hit them with melee, and any auto attack chain will continue through it’s chain if you’re actually connecting. Plus sometimes skills can sort of alert you. Necro axe will give retal if you hit someone in stealth, and warriors can gain adrenaline, just as examples.

It’s not a bad suggestion, but I think a better one is counting unsuccessful attacks towards revealing. It’s dumb that I can backstab aegis off of someone just to backstab them again.

Out of stealth first before ever thinking reveal on stealth attack mitigated too many random mitigations anyway reveal is also getting more frequent.

We are still getting it.

Cynz.9437:

Eodwen.2613:

I rememver when sic em wad announced and I did say that was only the beginning. People said in response ranger won’t pick it and that its useless and that it’s not that bad blah blah stealrh trap blah blah etc. Well there you have it. The only upside is engis will probably pick speedy kits since the perma swiftness is back. But dragonhunter is coming…

revealed from dragonhunter is at least avoidable and they have to drop something for it

lock on activates on any fart engi makes + healing kit got buffed up the roof so speedy kits is not even mandatory

That’s the issue imo an on hit reveal given to an all out AoE profession engi is the only class I like seeing stacked on my team and hate on other team usually no matter what spec. At least Sic’ Em you have to cast and ranger differs from engi massively the guard trap has a cast time and I can get out of it so it requires thinking from the guard same would go for ranger.

Engi will just follow normal rotation just like with IP.

Laraley.7695:

Sagat.3285:

Laraley.7695:

Quadox.7834:

T raw.4658:

PistolWhip.2697:

Sagat.3285:

PistolWhip.2697:

T raw.4658:

Engi is face roll.

As is D/P Carry thief, what is your point?

You mean meta Panic Strike thief? You’re comparing a whole prof to a spec that uses RNG and procs and thief will be call faceroll/cheese/OP no matter what.

Yes PS of course. It is a very user friendly easy spec in terms of mechanics and requires low play time for most.

That said, you can’t really call a whole class face roll. There are face roll builds on any class.

Celestial Rifle isn’t all Engineer is, and I doubt anyone would say other specs beside this one pose the most issues atm.

After the changes? I don’t know, but neither do any of you. Not even the Devs do (quite evidently). We’ll just have to wait and see.

If an engi loses to any thief they need to uninstall

Thief can win vs engi.

And mesmer can win against a thief. Should it happen? No.

Power Shatter is not all that mesmer can spec for.

Panic strike is not all thief can spec for? Your point? Everyone understood what I meant, are we playing with words now?

I’m just stating the belief that an entire class counters an entire class is false it’s all about specs but conquest limits them. PS thief got Last Refuge gutted, with sigils it’s trickier, Vamp Runes mist form doesn’t allow capping only thing left is mainly the RNG of Improvisation that’s to the devs to be creative. I kind of dislike how significant runes and sigils can become but I don’t think much balancing will happen to those soon.

Laraley.7695:

Quadox.7834:

T raw.4658:

PistolWhip.2697:

Sagat.3285:

PistolWhip.2697:

T raw.4658:

Engi is face roll.

As is D/P Carry thief, what is your point?

You mean meta Panic Strike thief? You’re comparing a whole prof to a spec that uses RNG and procs and thief will be call faceroll/cheese/OP no matter what.

Yes PS of course. It is a very user friendly easy spec in terms of mechanics and requires low play time for most.

That said, you can’t really call a whole class face roll. There are face roll builds on any class.

Celestial Rifle isn’t all Engineer is, and I doubt anyone would say other specs beside this one pose the most issues atm.

After the changes? I don’t know, but neither do any of you. Not even the Devs do (quite evidently). We’ll just have to wait and see.

If an engi loses to any thief they need to uninstall

Thief can win vs engi.

And mesmer can win against a thief. Should it happen? No.

Power Shatter is not all that mesmer can spec for.

PistolWhip.2697:

T raw.4658:

Engi is face roll.

As is D/P Carry thief, what is your point?

You mean meta Panic Strike thief? You’re comparing a whole prof to a spec that uses RNG and procs and thief will be call faceroll/cheese/OP no matter what.

Abbehemoth.2471:

Horror movie endings.. The bad guy/monster dies.

Not always that’s usually the heavily publicized ones.

If it’s the all condition cleansing that’s the issue then fine if they limit it to 5 I would like my 25 sec CD back and decreased stack of vulnerability 5 would do the trick and obviously significant improvements for the other heals.

Can we get a condition/status effect that negates the boon effects first? That would have been perfect for MoC.

I miss that trait already it was the only reason I would take Trickster over Bountiful Theft there is offensive capability in trap on heal. Mug and SE are two traits I thought I would never not trait for seeing the chance to untrait Mug disappear saddens me.

ronpierce.2760:

Sagat.3285:

ronpierce.2760:

I like the new Dhuumfire. I just wish it also worked with Shroud 4 skills or was bumped to 4 seconds on auto.

Just an increased duration would be fine.

If still like 2 seconds per tick on Shroud 4. It does a great job making our physical Auto a condi move, would be cool if that extended to our 4 as well. I wouldnt suggest 3 though. 1.5-2 seconds would be sufficient.

Interesting thought I always believed our AoE condition was limited because the devs believe we have a slot for Epidemic (vs players that is) it might change but yeah on shroud skill 4 seems worthy.

It will take a while for other heals to reach CC less if they keep nerfing it in PvE anything works SoV does something there at least. There is not really a next best heal.

ronpierce.2760:

I like the new Dhuumfire. I just wish it also worked with Shroud 4 skills or was bumped to 4 seconds on auto.

Just an increased duration would be fine.

PistolWhip.2697:

Sagat.3285:

PistolWhip.2697:

Cynz.9437:

PistolWhip.2697:

Cynz.9437:

Favoritism at its finest.

Tfw the picture calling out another class is posted by someone who mains the most OP class for the conquest game mode.

it took anet 3 years to change LR~
it took them what, 2 days to change speedy kits~

3 years for hobosacks~

I swear the golden child was ‘Warrior’? The trend for who is considered the golden child changes far too fast for me. I guess it must be all those thief shadowsteps abusing various spots on the map and flying above my head.

Wait a minute…how can you compare hobosacks to Speedy Kits?? It’s graphic debate that doesn’t affect gameplay results in anyway, I’m still not sure how the hobosacks thread got so big and you can’t compare to thief and war either. So how can you?

It was meant to be tongue in cheek. Good God, this subforum is the most tense and on edge thing I have ever seen. The tears are ready to flow at the drop of a feather, or a gadget it seems in this context.

Don’t you know, Fashion Wars>Ugly Wars

Meh favoritism always seems attached to engi, the turret burial was a deception :/

PistolWhip.2697:

Cynz.9437:

PistolWhip.2697:

Cynz.9437:

Favoritism at its finest.

Tfw the picture calling out another class is posted by someone who mains the most OP class for the conquest game mode.

it took anet 3 years to change LR~
it took them what, 2 days to change speedy kits~

3 years for hobosacks~

I swear the golden child was ‘Warrior’? The trend for who is considered the golden child changes far too fast for me. I guess it must be all those thief shadowsteps abusing various spots on the map and flying above my head.

Wait a minute…how can you compare hobosacks to Speedy Kits?? It’s graphic debate that doesn’t affect gameplay results in anyway, I’m still not sure how the hobosacks thread got so big and you can’t compare to thief and war either. So how can you?

We need more than that.

So Consume Plasma won’t get updated with all boons or will it remain the same?

Bhawb.7408:

I don’t understand why Alacrity, the exact opposite of chill, wasn’t made a boon with conversions being between alacrity and chill. It makes no sense.

So thief doesn’t steal it mesmers are scared already >.> and yeah access of it for some reason I feel this was very intended due to necro boon hate theme.

Condition necro mainly lacks sustain and dps in DS. Despite all the cleansing and whatnot I’ll give it another try whether I equip staff or not will depend on how good Parasitic Contagion is, the healing blocked by DS is already an issue. Condition necro and siphon proc don’t sync that well even CPC doesn’t have a hit proc and scepter has it’s own issues but we shall see soon.

I won’t feel bad about not buying HoT unless thief’s specialisation blow me away, I usually try every class for knowledge but I’m not worried of elite specs neither of rev(come on now lol) despite a certain resemblance to initiative. After a while(who knows) they probably will sell HoT only reasonably and go back on their words. I might be the minority but I’m mainly here for PvP and some WvW due to customization I do feel bad for those who wants what HoT offers.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Also why does it have an icd. Its not like we have a billion dodges

Necro bleed stacking too strong -Devs-

Sadrien.3470:

akaCryptic.2389:

Sadrien.3470:

akaCryptic.2389:

I agree with you but don’t care enough anymore. Mained necro since I started last year, but now I’m gonna switch to our elementalist overlords.

I constantly get the feeling that other class developers and necro class developers live in different planets. When every sing class has acces to either one of; a sort of immunity, teleport or stealth (cough mesmers got em all) and necro has none of these. Flesh wurm just teleports me 1 step to the side like 1/3 of the time. We look okay on paper but the class has a low skill ceiling, discourages creative thinking in games like teleport up ledges to escape focus fire or juke (i.e mesmer sword 2) but instead we tank what we are thrown…

Hey, don’t worry. Robet HAS to fix this.

After all the feedback and report from the forums not much changed. If don’t fix things by tuesday, chances are they never will, maybe only minor things. The forum had dozens of AMAZING and creative ideas for GS and existing skills. Some include projectile block on CPC, A Bone wall on GS that blocks then explodes, Death Shroud Elite skill and so on…

I’m pretty sure they’ll listen to reason. If they don’t necromancer need to have some kind of protest

I have no faith in a protest the possible protest over HoT’s price will stomp on ours >.>

FirebrandFrog.7603:

As I said before: Anet fears buffing Necros “too much” or they’ll suddenly have a vicegrip on PvP’s/WvW’s kitten. Which won’t happen because, honestly, anything the Necro does? Thieves and Engineers do it better.

A lot better.

A buff to Signet of Vampirism would be nice, something like it lasting on a static timer rather than being based on stacks consumed via damage (would be better for PvE necros). Maybe a damage/heal increase on Blood Fiend now that it isn’t the default heal you start with anymore.

All I’m seeing is Anet going “We’re willing to make big splashes in the water for the other classes but we won’t even dip our toes in for the Necromancer.”

Why do I feel like DS has something to do with this??

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Every necro should equip Dhuumfire and life blast the statue repeatedly. Make use of that new animation!

Great idea and someone needs to record this not all of us may participate.

Arghh I forgot Plague Signet attracts conditions it’s based from your foes condition damage right? This passive needs a buff it should heal either you or your ally for a small amount and was that it for signet’s “rework”?

Stop saying CC is one of the strongest, the cast time with necro’s nature made it fine/appropriate and yes the other heals sucks and will continue to based on upcoming changes, plz only equip SoV in open PvE.

Bhawb.7408:

OMNIBUS.2913:

This is still worse than what we have now and axe doesn’t deserve a nerf at all, it needs a buff. Or am I missing something?

The 10% damage applies to all damage done to vulnerable targets, regardless of whether you even have an axe equipped. Meaning with this trait you can even use staff + DS to have an even stronger LB build than before.

Sagat.3285:

@Bhawb Scaling defense,utilities in DS,Parasitic Contagion in DS,ranged defense just some,AoE boon hate,low LF gain on condition specs etc. We got some improvements but in the process losses as well and we need to compare necro competitively not to it self.

Just because some things weren’t fixed doesn’t make the huge number of good fixes irrelevant. There was no way they were going to fix literally everything we want in one patch. Also, we did get better scaling defense, we got AoE boon hate, certainly not enough but we did get some of it.

If this is supposed to be big for necro and it came in 3 years so for most of the needed changes…

3 more years to go.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

I still say Master of Corruption should have been 20% Corruption cooldown reduction and gaining 2-3 seconds of Resistance on Corruption use.

Too close to revenan’t- Devs

If it’s supposed to be transfered I would have like transfer on initial use of a corruption not additional conditions when my transfers are already busy.

@Bhawb Scaling defense,utilities in DS,Parasitic Contagion in DS,ranged defense just some,AoE boon hate,low LF gain on condition specs etc. We got some improvements but in the process losses as well and we need to compare necro competitively not to it self.

Zantmar.5406:

KashimKudal.2961:

No heal in the game punishes you for using it like the new consume conditions does. Anet- You need to fix this.

in gw3 maybe -just 6 more years to go

You ruined it..It’s..

3 more years to go

WhiteCrow.5310:

I’d rather deal with self-weakness than Vulnerability. At least then you know the heal you just used won’t be instantly negated. For the claim of transferring it, by the time you do it becomes worthless to have on the enemy and you’re probably better off saving the transfer.

That’s it!! CPC should apply self vulnerability while CC could afford self weakness.

Shaogin.2679:

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
Lich form is actually longer than pre-nerf with trait and benefits from spectral traits. Aka, it’s better now. also, 1 stack of bleeding while in plague form is not even going to come remotely close to killing you. They only added that one stack of bleeding to make it in line with the corruption skills theme. please learn something instead of just jumping on the bandwagon and complaining for the sake of complaining.

Stop comparing the class to it self it needs to compete properly and I don’t trust minion’s AI pattern.

If we have to use cleansing already used against foes conditions adding self conditions on the list was not the brightest idea.

@skowcia I see

@ImdA Unsure but It sounds like another condition based on wording.

ImdA.4701:

30-0.67(33%)=20.1

So with trait the CD of CC will be 20s. That’s not that bad.

Who knows what additional condition it adds…the one on Plague probably pulses and what could they possibly add on top of weakness to CPC. I didn’t play GW but this look similar to their corruptions style the only benefit here is CD reduction transfers are already busy with the foes conditions.

Edit:*doesn’t look

skowcia.8257:

Sagat.3285:

@skowcia They will find a way believe me it will be close even if not next to engi. Let’s remember we only saw the core specialisation of only 1 legend.

We miss power traitline, eltie spec and 2 (dps and cc ) legends or 3 if elite spec turn out to provide another one. Unless they develop more utility skills to choose from i doubt rev will be all that viable.

Also lets not forget that Roy develops revenant, that alone is not a good sigh if we look at changes to war and ranger in general I hope im wrong tho.

I believe he only made Ventari and I believe he’s war/ele we saw old trait system rev lines not new.

@skowcia They will find a way believe me it will be close even if not next to engi. Let’s remember we only saw the core specialisation of only 1 legend.

Sagat.3285:

Does Parasitic Contagion finally work in Death Shroud??

The devs are probably scratching their heads thinking :“What did we do wrong? We helped necro right guys? They are just overreacting let them play with it and they will see the strong potential”.

3 more years to go.

dood.7526:

Plague without the corruption trait is just worse now. Our only super survival skill applies self bleeding to help people kill us faster.

In our tankiest form.

We help people kill ourselves.

Pick MoC and now you have additional self conditions on you the only benefit is spamming blind more often.

Edit: Possibly pulsing ones.

DEATHsCLAW.1978:

no Signet of Vampirism now WORKS while in DS!! thats a big change they announced

Only active that I know of if passive works I missed that, even if it did ICD is still there, the passive is not a siphon, the active is not made for vs players. The only place SoV found it self is PvE because conditions from mobs are most of the time a joke.

skowcia.8257:

Sagat.3285:

skowcia.8257:

I rebember how necros praised Robert for reaper spec.. hahah, praise him some more, tc.

Ps. reaper is a joke as well.

In his defense reaper stream was before the chill nerf and they publicly recognized it’s impact, he did not present in the ironically fishy stopped stream right before necro. I’m not saying it’s all bad but the overall idea was good “kittenual miscommunication” happened. Since they are done with engi I would recommend the last finishing touches/reworks to go to necro.

Somehow i cant believe he dindt know about the upcoming changes. After all hes in a balance team.

Lets also not forget that Robert been working on mes as well, you can look what was done to them and compare it with necro.

I think we all can agree that changes to necro are a joke either way, i dont even play necro and i clearly see that something is off here.

See ya guys on revenant, probably another fail profession (it doesnt look promising if you ask me).

We would like him to explain his reasoning for these changes, there is no way revenant will fail not even if you feel like you lack variations and distinctions from others.

@MethaneGas Don’t bring WvW scenarios in balance.

DEATHsCLAW.1978:

Cecilia.5179:

DEATHsCLAW.1978:

the problem about those 3 traits is the Terrormancer who needs at least 2 of them.. I have made a seperate trait about this with a solution idea
check it out&tell me what u think pls
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Terrormancer-not-viable

I like the changes you’ve proposed, but Necro is still screwed until they unnerf Consume Conditions in my eyes.

1. thanks

2. Consume Conditions was one of the strongest heals in the game, but the signet of vampirism isnt bad at all too.. especially since we dont rely on consume for condi remove.. just think of that

2. Plz stop saying that, the cast time coupled with necro’s weakness to CC and overall damage made it appropriate.

SoV still doesn’t work in DS as other utilities and still carry an ICD but as always we’ll settle down for CC. They will have to try harder then that way harder.

ImdA.4701:

Lily.1935:

2) Power-mancer: Strong? No

It’s a lie, powermancer is viable. At least for duels and roaming.

Do not bring WvW in balance if duels were a real mode current necro would lost 9 out 10 times due to no starting LF.

skowcia.8257:

I rebember how necros praised Robert for reaper spec.. hahah, praise him some more, tc.

Ps. reaper is a joke as well.

In his defense reaper stream was before the chill nerf and they publicly recognized it’s impact, he did not present in the ironically fishy stopped stream right before necro. I’m not saying it’s all bad but the overall idea was good “kittenual miscommunication” happened. Since they are done with engi I would recommend the last finishing touches/reworks to go to necro.

Bhawb.7408:

Aseity.9152:

To be honest, I don’t even know if the developers who are in responsible for Necromancer class even checks the forums.

Then you’ve paid even less attention than you accuse the devs of. There were a lot of very obvious changes they made in response to our requests.

True we just have miscommunication with them as usual as they see the class differently.

Zantmar.5406:

i obviously will try it, it looks urber bad on paper(it still does to me)
some necro told me to give vampire signet a try but its not very viable(no really it just dont work)
well of blood seems to be able to fit into the build i wish to run but it does not grant me a cleanse and the cool down is longer than consumes base even after trained and with consume, u heal more if u can get 3 conditions compare to the full 5 second pulse on well of blood. if well of blood can pulse condition removal then it be perfect

or i can just run flesh golem for an elite and take runes of lyssa- but that is hard to work with because golem might die and go on full cool down when u need to use it

I know it’s bad but I don’t see it as worse-ish than now everything got better in some way condi necro will survive somehow, I still need them to clarify why Parasitic Contagion doesn’t work in DS. It’s not like condition necro profits from siphon procs or DS much.

Ithir Darkleaf.7923:

Am I the only one that is not mad about the plague’s change? Yes, I know it inflicts now damage to us every second but I think the use of corruption trait can make up for it with a huge reduction of CD.

That’s my impression for now at least, of course we need to see how it pans out on live servers.

Plague is too restrictive at least with CC you sacrifice a transfer but with Plague you just eat the damage, the only benefit I see is countering other transformations in solo encounters more often.