Guild Wars 2

Gabby.3205:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Mainly the complaints will come from people who have a hard time doing the new content. We saw that pattern with Tequatl v2.0 last week.

Tequatl was an awesome update. I’m sure Scarlet won’t be a let down as well. And yes, these past and upcoming updates are all permanent.

Don’t forget the posts like “I am a solo player, I refuse to join a group, how am I supposed to run this dungeon? Why, ANet, why?”. Just wait.

Oh, and of course, “My party was full of n00bs, I just wasted 20 minutes! Why would you do that ANet?”.

If you say, “I am a solo player” – group content isn’t for you. Scarlet’s last mission let you choose to go in solo or with a group, so there’s no excuse for not being able to do it. As for having a poor group, all you can do it find another one.

Up to you. It all depends on if the item is something that sells often, or if it’s a rare high priced item that moves slowly. If you mark something up, be prepared to be undercut, regardless of the amount. If you do +20%, +30%, or even +50%, I would just go -1 Copper, and I’m ahead.

The only way this happens is when someone else logs in on your PC. So it’s not a hack, but rather someone using a different account on your same client. Do you have friends or family that ever touch your computer?

Mainly the complaints will come from people who have a hard time doing the new content. We saw that pattern with Tequatl v2.0 last week.

Tequatl was an awesome update. I’m sure Scarlet won’t be a let down as well. And yes, these past and upcoming updates are all permanent.

Tachenon.5270:

Ya know, I really like her mane.

My sides…

+ infinity to you

I guess certain people who rather Anet do nothing for months at a time, instead of offering updates. To each his own.

If you want multiple characters to use the unlimited tools, you can purchase multiple unlimited tools.

Wow. You just went there…

/brohoof

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

But but… the challenge!

I’ll make sure to have a fresh bottle of whiskey to take the ‘edge’ off the frustration that ‘challenge’ will induce. haha.

If they put Scarlet and the Clock Tower together, along with a timer based fight, imagine the fun that would be! My hairs would be turning white by the minute!

It’s true Vol. Anet revamped Tequatl from what was once a cake walk, to something that required skill and coordination. I can respect the fact that some people have had a really hard time doing it. But it wouldn’t be a challenge if there were guaranteed paths to victory.

We’re getting tons of updates for free. It’s giving us stuff to do, whether it be updated bosses, or side adventures like the Super Adventure Box. I’d rather be given small additional content every 2 weeks, than to wait a year for a new massive expansion or similar addon.

But but… the challenge!

What a perfect time to combine the two best things that happened to the Guild Wars world. Taking on the theme of challenging content, I hope Anet throws a Scarlet fight at the top of the Clock Tower jumping puzzle. I’ve waited a year for the JP to come back, but we’ve all done it already, so there’s no real surprises. Adding some Scarlet fun to the mix is just want the community needs!

Couldn’t sleep, so I logged back on to say a big Thank You to Commander Cody for helping to make EBG Red. #1 NA Commander.

Geez, this is a really hard achievement to get. Not only do you have to convince 100 players to stop defending the batteries (when you’re already losing), but then you gotta compete with them to use the jump pads.

1) Looks like you had previous bans. It goes from 72 hours → 168 hours → perma ban. Devs do have the ability to skip directly to a week ban, but you’d have to seriously break multiple rules for them to consider that.

2) You can appeal the ban with a Support Ticket

Ohoni.6057:

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The reason why I’m so adamantly against this idea is that Turret gunners are part of the mechanics of this fight. You take away those duties, and leave them to NPCs, you basically nerfed the fight. It takes no skill to just defend NPCs that shoot Teq. They auto aim at poison pools. They auto attack to take off Scale stacks. Then this turns into a basic zerg Teq up front, only with a side quest to defend the Turrets. Sure you can add some portable poison pool removers, but you still took a key part of the fight, and watered it so low, that the fight is no longer as challenging. It would be like asking for the Liadri fight to have a solid ground so you can see all the red circles, and no exploding clones that track you.

I want people to win this fight, but not at the expense of mechanics. You win this with talented players who organize before the fight. Not by lowering the difficulty scale or by bugged timers that freeze.

By the way, with competent people on Turrets, if you lose one or two, you’re not in so much trouble. But for the sake of your troll gunner scenario, if someone is effectively camping on one, just let that Turret break. Don’t heal, don’t Cleanse, don’t defend. Once it breaks, you can have a guy stand by while you repair. Then have them jump back on. Takes only a second to rebuild it, not like WvW where you need to charge up a build.

Guild Missions can be fun when you have 100 people from multiple guilds running around, trying to organize by Map Chat. One of the drawback to this would be that your server couldn’t guest over to help different servers with the event. You have some selfless people starting Teq killing guilds to help across servers. Not often will I see community cooperation like this.

I see you were up front as a Necro.

/respect

Arcturus.5846:

The hidden achievement is like the equivelant of that free SAT score for writing your name correctly.

But… there have been those who fail even that.

Talindra.4958:

Also, the loot …… tell me, all players, if you are happy with the loot with the amount of time you spent in getting this dragon slayed!

It takes 15 minutes of your time. I waste more time in LA playing with Zommoros, or on TC learning how to RP correctly.

Ohoni.6057:

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Again, I’ve read it, and you keep thinking that the whole fight is centered on 6 people. Let me explain some of the strategy involved.

Turret gunners: Yes you need 6 competent people manning the Turrets at all times. Cleanse is important, and Scale stack removal is important. These are part of the main mechanics of the fight.
Turret defenders: You need around 10 people on each side to defend. So that brings the total people to 26 in the back who are vital to the fight, not just 6.
Teq attackers: You need as much competent people up front as possible. You need Warriors with banner rez. You need Guardians with reflect. You need Eles to drop Icy Bow and Fire Greatsword for DSP. You need Mesmers for Timewarps. You need players who understand when you jump the wave, and when to dodge through the wave.
Finger hunters: You need dedicated group to take out Fingers quickly. The less Fingers, the less poison circles. The less poison circles, the less Cleanse you need.

Everything is connected. If any one of the groups above fail, you all fail. That’s what’s this event is all about. It’s not just about the few people who man the Turrets.

As proof, I’ll offer you this. I’ll join your server for a Teq run. Get all the guildies or smartest players possible, and put them on Turrets. Get the best Commanders to lead the fray. But what will I do? I’ll drag the most funnest Champion that can spawn, the Corrputed Grub, and put him in the middle of your main zerg.

If I were to do that, I assure you that Turrets are the least of your worries. You can’t Cleanse the poison AOE that the grub spits at you. You can only try to pull him away, as killing him takes away DPS from the main group.

Note – Of course I would never do that in a run. This is a hypothetical scenario to explain to you that with what only you think is important, there are many other factors that determine a win or fail.

The way I see, and this is probably were we differ, is that Turret gunners are a part of the group. You have North and South gunners, with someone usually in charge of the area. If one Turret is broken, someone is there to fix it. If a finger AOEs the Turret with poison, the call goes out for a Cleanse (i.e. North Middle needs a Cleanse!). The total sum of the individuals involved in the fight account for the overall victory. Failures in ANY part of the fight can lead to a loss.

By making Turrets NPC controlled, you are essentially “nerfing” the event, since then the computer will know exactly what needs to be done, when it needs to be done. There’s no strategic thinking involved, save for the need to actually defend the Turrets. “Do I Cleanse the group up front, or bring down Scale stacks?” “Do I buff the group with Quickness while they AOE, or do I heal my fellow Turret gunners?” The computer will decide what’s important, even if it’s not a priority to what the group truly needs.

Titan.3472:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

DevonCarver.5370:

Raising it even one would have significant performance impact because you need to think of it over an equation that causes that to multiply very quickly. Until and unless there are significant changes in the engine, which isn’t on the table, we will not be raising the cap on player skill AoE.

Wait wait wait wait. Game programming requires MATH???

Of course…

Is that why my CPU is always running at near max capacity when I WvW?

I’m actually serious. Lodestones are still required for a number of high level weapons. And with some type of Precursor crafting coming up, there will be a spike in the Lodestone prices initially, and a slow trickle upwards once we find out how the process will be put in place. On top of that, I’m assuming Legendary armor will require Lodestones too.

But… using Turrets properly is part of the challenge. Defending Turrets is part of the challenge. Getting Teq’s HP down to each quarter health is part of the challenge. Defending the batteries is part of the challenge. Burning Teq down after he’s weakened by the Megalaser is part of the challenge.

Each part of the fight requires different all players to work together. Each has his or her role to play. I’ve read your suggestion, and all I hear from it is “Turrets are too important, nerf them.” To which I gave you examples of how this event can fail even with good players on Turrets.

Ultimately, if you’re having a hard time, I would suggest guesting to BG or TC. Or even joining the Teq Killer guild. This fight isn’t impossible to do. There’s no need for any nerfs. People will win and people will fail. There’s no need to offer any type of easy mode, since that’s what Teq was before the update. All I would ask is that Anet fix the bug that gives people unlimited time to kill him.

DevonCarver.5370:

Raising it even one would have significant performance impact because you need to think of it over an equation that causes that to multiply very quickly. Until and unless there are significant changes in the engine, which isn’t on the table, we will not be raising the cap on player skill AoE.

Wait wait wait wait. Game programming requires MATH???

No. Instances are a bad idea.

To each his own. The Tequatl fight isn’t for everyone. If you can’t organize a team, you fail, thus leading to a “poor experience”.

You cannot guaranteed an enjoyable experience, because everyone has a different definition of what’s “enjoyable” or “fun”. So if you choose to not participate in the event, that means there’s just more space for other people to do it.

ps – Be glad you even get a reward for effort. Rewards should have only been given for success. I’ve never seen someone get their college degree just for “putting in effort”.

Sorry to bring this up, but Tequatl already does require more than just 6 people on Turrets. You can have the best 6-man team, and you can still fail.

So if I go along with your thought process, I could say that all the attackers up front should be NPCs. Anet put a lot of emphasis on the 50 people up front, that if they fail, the entire event fails.

See what I did there? It works both ways. That’s why this is a group event. BOTH parts need to work well, or you fail. Simple as that. You can’t just nerf one part of the event because the groups you’ve been in have failed in the “Turret area”. There are groups who have epic Turret gunners and defenders, but the attack group can’t get enough DPS to get Teq to 75% until the timer is way down.

Put all your money into Lodestones. They’re at rock bottom prices, and with certain updates coming, I guarantee you they’ll be in demand in the future!

This again? Maybe John should put a sticky that we can all reference to when we see this sort of thread.

/facepalm

So you want Anet to take away part of the challenge because it makes the event too hard?

Holy Whirlwind.2067:

I totally missed out this weekend since I was without internet from Thurs to Sunday. We upgraded out modem and of course it was not working so we had to wait for a tech to pay us a visit and get everthing up and running.

I definately want another go at him. We did half decent on Wed immediately following the release because a lot of us jumped on the Mumble Maguuma WvW and made a new channl. We got him down very close to 50% which was not bad for 1 day after release…can’t say much after Wednesday though?

I also tried to get an invite to one of the US tequatl guilds, but since I had no internet I could not drop a guild and add them. If there is still an opening for a teq guild I can do that instead? Penguin, are you in SFD or EK? The name looks familar.

I’m in VR as well. #magswag

OMG I want this now!

Um, what achievement are you talking about that requires an event failure?

We tried to help over the weekend. One of the best Teq Commanders is from Mags, from the top ranked VR guild too. Unfortunately, no one was following directions, so it was a total disaster.

Zanthrax.6538:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

This happens when you get a frozen timer. It happens every now and then on Overflow after you hit 75%, and the battle transitions into defense. So basically, you’ll have unlimited time to kill Teq. Not brag worthy, but congrats to those in your party who never beat him before.

It wasn’t a bug it was a legit kill ask every single one of our guildies….we also have the video. Don’t cheapen this with your assumptions -_-

Sorry if I was rushed in my judgment. The timer bug was happening often, so I automatically assumed.

Asmodeus.5782:

In time, when people get their achievements, the place will get completely deserted.

I already maxed my achievements, and I’m still helping to do the event. So are a lot of other people. You still get exclusive drops, and it’s nice to help other servers to get a win. So don’t underestimate people.

This happens when you get a frozen timer. It happens every now and then on Overflow after you hit 75%, and the battle transitions into defense. So basically, you’ll have unlimited time to kill Teq. Not brag worthy, but congrats to those in your party who never beat him before.

SHAKA, how much Gold would it cost me to have you draw a penguin being shot out of a Ballista… that was just flung out of a Treb?

note – I’m not cute like Eva, so I know it won’t be cheap…

Dracatis.1908:

There are two types of players, there are the few people who can do a strategy and there is the mindless zerg. Maybe you should plan out these battles with this in mind, a small party or two can do all the intricate stuff which sets up the boss for taking mass damage from the mindless zerg, the ones that have rezzed themselves in time to run in and take advantage.

Expecting everyone to handle all the intricate ‘boring’ stuff like defending, cleansing people of conditions, not standing in the obvious fields of death is expecting a lot and while I DON’T want you to dumb it down, a pure mindless zerg shouldn’t win, maybe you shouldn’t ramp up the necessity of defending, pushing buttons and being in the right place at the right time. Also for the people doing ‘boring’ parts should get a stronger reward to tempt people to do them despite the monotony and lack of MDK (like, I don’t know, running Dolyaks in WvW).

No. What you’re asking is to take away parts of the challenge because it’s too challenging. And by offering higher rewards for different tasks only increases the amount of people who want to do the higher reward tasks, and makes it unfair to the rest who do the other parts. That can lead to more failures, since players will naturally gravitate to the things that give them the best loot.

And side note, mindless zergs already don’t win.

Grumpy Dolan.5381:

Scarlet suffers Trahearne syndrome – he stole personal story from us, she stole villain place from dragons.

On the plus side, she has a GREAT voice actress. I wish my wife could make the sounds voices she makes.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

What you need is everyone following orders, and not wasting time by lying flat on their face through most of the battle. So far there have been three things that lost us the battle:

• Not enough players
• Players not respawning at the waypoint when they die
• Bad people on the turrets

Really, those turrets are key.

I agree Turret gunners are vital. But in my example from last nite, we did have good people on Turrets. We just weren’t good enough up front. And then the point being it still takes skill, and not mindless spamming.

I would like to congratulate Maguuma for our victory this week… in the skill category!

Clock Tower v2.0. Let the tears flow!

Lord Kuru.3685:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Tequatl is difficult in the organizational skills required to beat it.

Tequatl is not difficult in the individual skill required to beat it.

FYI – The sum of the individuals and their skill determine the outcome. On BG last nite, we had a full map, 6 Commanders, and 90+ people on TS. Laid out our strategy, and yet this group only got Teq down to 50%.

So yes, individual skill is as important as teamwork.

Most of the jobs at Tequatl are for skill spamming. Yes, there are turret men and a few turret protectors, but almost everyone’s job is to spam DPS at Teq while standing at a single spot. That does not require individual skill.

We never had more than 7 stacks of Scale defense on Teq, and never lost a Turret (Flawless), and yet only got to 50%. So are you suggesting that BG failed at skill spamming?

BiteMyShinyMetalAss.3948:

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+1 to you.

lordozone.9167:

Increase the timer to 30 min. But if you do this, the hardcores are going to feel that it is too easy while making the casuals. So lets not do this one.

Add a new mechanic. Once Teq’s life bar hits 75%, a bonus 5 minutes is granted. And again, once his life hits 50% and 25%, another 5 minutes can be added to the timer. This method would give a little bit of hope to the casuals whilst retaining the difficulty that the hardcores desire. If you are so elite and hardcore, you wont even need the extra times and will burn him down in 15 minutes anyways right? If you are a casual player, just work your butt off to get him down to the reward tiers and you will also get rewarded with a few more minutes to finish him off.

Is this really such a difficult solution to provide that would keep everyone happy?

You… just said increasing the timer to 30 minutes is a bad idea, then go on to suggest it.

RoyHarmon.5398:

chemiclord.3978:

I WOULD like to say though… uhh… I bought this game to fight dragons, not touched Sylvari. It would be kinda nice to go back to those big things that are supposedly tearing the world a new one.

I hear you. Nothing against the Living Story, but I miss the days when I was playing through the Personal Story for the first time. It was all customized to my character and stuff, or so it seemed at first. Then it was customized to Trahearne’s character, and we all know how that final boss fight went.

Apparently, this “Pact” is content to sit around and wait for their lieutenants to get more powerful. Speculation on their motivation is beyond the scope of this thread.

Just wait until the Pact goes after Bubbles. Anet doesn’t want us killing all the Elder Dragons so quickly.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Tequatl is difficult in the organizational skills required to beat it.

Tequatl is not difficult in the individual skill required to beat it.

FYI – The sum of the individuals and their skill determine the outcome. On BG last nite, we had a full map, 6 Commanders, and 90+ people on TS. Laid out our strategy, and yet this group only got Teq down to 50%.

So yes, individual skill is as important as teamwork.

Seveleniumus.5973:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Let me answer your questions:

1) Only one server, out of all servers, was able to beat Teq on the first day. Don’t see how you think this makes the content easy since it was beaten.
2) BlackGate is full of really really REALLY good players. Really.
3) Having a map full of people does not guarantee a win. See point #1.
4) If you want to generalize the content in those terms, I could say that beating Tequatl requires you to turn on your computer, log in, play, and win. There’s more to winning than your four steps, and I know you understand it.

Ok, so let’s say I have an active guild of 500 people, I post a message of the day about Tequatl, 100 of them show up, I read a guide 1 time, make sure that all members join on TS, we fail first two times, because people fail on the turrets and we still have not weeded out all randoms, we beat it third time. Was it difficult? No. Now you may say, that running an active guild IS difficult and I will not disagree on that, but it has nothing to do with the fight itself. You either have resources at your disposal or you do not, there isn’t really that much space for skill as the only requirement is to DPS as fast as possible.

And if it wasn’t difficult, you wouldn’t have failed in the first place.

Did you know that there are rumors of players being able to go through SAB Tribulation Mode without dying once?