Guild Wars 2

Elorna.5329:

Substance E.4852:

Crapgame.6519:

Smart play does usually win the day such as knowing when to disengage or use the map to your advantage. However, there are times when even that overcome numbers. We also know the past week or so the patch hasn’t helped any so that also goes out the window

Certainly. It just gets tiresome to see people kitten on zerg combat while holding 3-5v1 roaming up as the golden standard.

In case that’s what you think my unsaid intention with the previous post was, it’s not. I actually have a very low opinion of any and all forms of MMO PvP, GW2 included, just that zerg is an extra category below that considering the amount of players required and lower impact of individuals. Overall, I’m surprised at Anet striving so hard to balance this game based on SPvP (even though they’re not doing a good job of it). PvE is the main strength of GW2, and where the majority of players spend their time. When I feel like playing PvP I chose a different genre.

Then why bother to even post in a thread talking about pvp?

“considering the amount of players required and lower impact of individuals” odd that you hate WvW for this reason yet you like GW2 PvE which is 100% this kind of content for overworld.

Crapgame.6519:

Smart play does usually win the day such as knowing when to disengage or use the map to your advantage. However, there are times when even that overcome numbers. We also know the past week or so the patch hasn’t helped any so that also goes out the window

Certainly. It just gets tiresome to see people kitten on zerg combat while holding 3-5v1 roaming up as the golden standard.

Elorna.5329:

Why are people in this thread even talking about zerg fights as something worth wasting words on? Whatever you bring there, as long as it’s not a “GvG”, won’t matter if you don’t outnumber the other team (or have some other advantage like siege).

I see BG zergs run over larger TC and JQ zergs constantly because of good comp and people who know what they are doing. Numbers only comes into play when its grossly disproportionate or the teams are about even in ability.

So, ya. It matters.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

I can’t believe they patched CB/CotW within hours and engi nade bug still exists…

I’d usually be the first to toot the “Anet just plum doesn’t like Rangers” horn but it’s pretty plausible that the grenade glitch is more complicated than adding a ‘3’ in front of a ‘0’ where the cool down timer for Clarion Bond is located.

Anet works slower than Valve sitting on the edge of an event horizon, but they seem like they will fix things that have easy, ‘no chance of other issues’ solutions.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

MattyP.6954:

• Rangers are so weak!

This is hilarious considering how many “Rangers are OP!” threads there are in the WvW subforum. It can’t be both! Is it safe to assume that we’re somewhere in the middle?

Actually, I think it can be both. Ranger is extremely powerful against poor players and they are the ones that are always crying OP on the forums. Against a good player, the Ranger is fairly weak, comparatively. Some really good players play Ranger though and they make the rest of us look better.

^ This

Make a thread on the WvW forum asking if the Ranger is a good Zerg pick and you will either get crickets, or a sea of “No” in varying levels of politeness.

Make a thread mentioning zerk LB or just use the words Rapid Fire and you will get people almost exclusively using mathematically impossible damage amounts, at impossible ranges, claiming there was “no way I could counter it”. According to them we are walking orbital laser strike platforms. We’ll kittening 360 noscope your noob butt from the Moon and there’s no where to hide!

One group says we’re not a great pick and the other says we’re uber OP.

We do make solid pin sniping teams but everyone hates that and every server pretends they don’t do it so it never really get’s mentioned.

Regen/condi ranger is a whole different animal though and is quite feasible in the BL ruins but is pointless in a zerg and doesn’t attract the ire of baddies so it’s really more of a different discussion.

I don’t see what the bug deal is. Being able to obliterate every single mob that isn’t located in one or two specific zones is what makes a lot of MMO endgames incredibly stale and makes the whole over world feel like just a big running simulator.

ObsiMoth.6342:

SkiTz.4590:

WvW Zerg – pointless. No support, just a backliner that spams 1 and 2 on LB. Thats literally all you do. If you front line with ranger, your useless. WAY BETTER frontliner classes out there… why even bother with ranger lol.

You’ve obviously never played frontline ranger in a zerg before. It is, hands down, the most fun you can have in a zerg. The amount of attention you have to pay to survive is huge, but its probably the most rewarding experience you can have in a zerg.

The only role we can play better than any other class is direct, long range, single target pressure. A team of 5 Rangers is basically able to instagib any person not behind wall of reflection.

Playing a front line ranger is just a worse in every aspect warrior. Less damage, less CC, less team support, and less durability. Never mind the fact that even with the new traits, pets are still very fragile in most zerg fights if they get near the AoE’s making our entire F skill mechanic not frontline friendly.

I don’t spvp much but word on the street is burst has become just unreasonable after the patch. Has anyone even had the chance to take full advantage of this trait yet? I mean, floating around 7-10k health for 8seconds or more in a fight sounds like suicide right now.

Justine.6351:

They can’t add serious dmg without tells.

Most of the traps have long cooldowns and take up utility slots. If they balanced them properly you would need to be glass to do big “omg wtf!” hits and losing utility slots on a glass build is suicide if you don’t play well.

There would be no reason to remove the trap concept just to be able to give them a use on power builds.

lol just dusted off my old lvl30 thief and noticed that Flanking Strike flings you around like the old traited Stalker’s Strike did despite Flanking having a listed range of 150 and Stalker’s current range of 250.

More range = you move less. GG Anet.

Klonko.8341:

Substance E.4852:

I’m all for the ranger not getting nerfs but this is a dumb thing to be upset about.

It listed the skill as using Call of the Wild in it’s legit form, 30s cooldown and all. This was a bug that has now been fixed. This isn’t Anet doing a 180 and backroom nerfing us like they did with the other traits.

And they dont fix the grenade barrage that hit 20k in one skill use? That’s flawed logic.

lulwut? Not flawed logic.

It’s either:
A: Other bugs have more serious causes that go beyond entering in a ‘30’ where there was probably previously a ‘0’
B: Anet prioritizes fixing advantageous glitches to the ranger (read the wind triggering fury, man that was a riot) over other classes and y’all should be used to it by now.

snow.8097:

i have the feeling sometimes the roots doesnt trigger well, i got few times since patch that they should hit and no vines come out
and no, no blind or condi immunity

I believe if you block or dodge at the time of the skill activation it won’t spawn vines on you.

Puck.9612:

I got a better solution, lower call of the wild to 15 seconds and change the trait to match.

lol, plenty of use still remember a time when the Ranger had no blast at all when out of combat. Stop acting like this killed the class.

I’m all for the ranger not getting nerfs but this is a dumb thing to be upset about.

It listed the skill as using Call of the Wild in it’s legit form, 30s cooldown and all. This was a bug that has now been fixed. This isn’t Anet doing a 180 and backroom nerfing us like they did with the other traits.

More life = harder?

lol, oh man. God help you if you ever play any other MMO.

It isn’t even harder, it’s just more annoying. You could be the best possible player in the game with a superhuman ability to see 5 seconds into the future and never, ever take a hit while performing flawless DPS and you can still lose because everyone else clicks skills, doesn’t know what dodging is, and lies on the ground dead when they inevitably die.

I would wait till kitten like the blatant OP state of some burning skills and the high amount of burst some builds can put out gets addressed.

Plus, word on the street is pets never got the 150 stat boost by default that they were supposed to get.

Oslaf Beinir.5842:

I just know I miss my extra kitten handy range on the off hands.

RIP Stalker’s Strike half gap closer ;_;7

Khristophoros.7194:

DBZVelena.5186:

Khristophoros.7194:

Arshay Duskbrow.1306:

Khristophoros.7194:

My opinion is not from bigotry. I have a close family member who has been in transition for a few years and I don’t accept it. That is a much more real experience on the issue than most people have.

On the contrary, that means your bigotry is more deeply rooted and prejudicial than average. Most bigots are simply against a faceless hypothetical image, not a real person. But you’ve made the decision to turn against a real person who is part of your life, denying them the love and support they no doubt were hoping for and may desperately need. Your bigotry is on a whole other level than that of a mere idealogue.

This is an extremely disrespectful thing for you to say. You have no idea what my experience is like.

I was actually very accepting of transgendered people until this happened. I’d like to see you just accept it if it happened to you.

I would have absolutly no problem with it. ask them, their preferd pronoun and try my best to use it.
Sure i’d slip up ocasionally, but would correct my self right after.
Depending on if it was FTM ot MTF, i’d offer any help and support they would need.

I Don’t know why you have an issue with it. Perhaps learning of it was traumatic for you? People are all different after all. Perhaps you could go find somebody to talk to about your issue with it? Then you can overcome whatever made you so upset. And in the end be supportive for your family.

You can’t know that until you have the experience. It’s that simple.

Sadly it isn’t something that people who work on a false dichotomy will understand.

Holland.9351:

mistsim.2748:

Regarding Opening Strike/Remorseless Maul Mechanic:

here is evidence that indeed neither the +25% damage nor the 100% crit chance applies to the other 4 targets when executing Maul with Remorseless proc. all the numbers are different, only closest golem takes the hardest hit. vulnerability is applied to all 5.

Hasn’t that always been the case?

Even if it was, it shouldn’t be.

It’s a single hit, not a series of hits and thus should apply to every target hit unless explicitly stated otherwise.

Xillllix.3485:

The simple fact that if you reflect their attack they will melt and die in 2-3 seconds is proof that the Long bow damage is OP.

Show me another class where if you reflect their incoming damage they die. There isn’t any, because no class does this much single-target damage in a few seconds, and specially not from that range.

The simple fact that if you reflect their attack they will melt and die in 2-3 seconds is proof that the Ranger I’m fighting is a colossal noob.

I mean, do you people even read what you type? You can reflect the entire attack and cause the person to kill themselves and that means the weapon is OP? Lulwut? If anything, it sure sounds like non-channeled projectile reflections are OP since they can apparently instagib a Ranger.

They didn’t nerf the damage of the skill (that I can tell).

What happened is they nerfed the damage of the whole weapon by removing the 5% damage increase from Eagle Eye and you may have lost some stats with the new system.

I gained some power but lost ~5% crit chance and ~%10 crit damage with my pve/wvw gear setup.

rollnb.8346:

I just wonder Game designers feel free to post in Engineer thread, and totally ignoring Rangers. Why you made this class then heh?

Yaaaaa, you’re gonna want to get used to that.

Ignoring the Ranger forum has been their modus operandi since Day 1.

TakeCare.3182:

. That’s what’s called balance.

I don’t know. You do think zerker LB is too good. I’m not sure balance means what you think it means.

Dott.5672:

What the expansion entails that people who don’t buy it won’t get:
-New area
-New class
-Mordremoth boss fight

I’m not paying 45 euros for that. kitten that.

Woaw now. I don’t recall them saying we would for sure fight the big guy. That sounds more like a LS Season 5 thing to me.

Ashen.2907:

How do you procrastinate on the value of prices?

I don’t know but it sure sounds complicated.

Geneaux.9547:

There is no “value”. That’s a subjective emotion you make up for yourself to justify your purchase.

Truly a tour de force.

Behellagh.1468:

Substance E.4852:

Behellagh.1468:

I think I see the tracks waaaaay over there —-—->

Nope, the train has left Earth and is headed for the stars.

See You Space Conductor…

Pfff. The triple 7? The triple 9 is the only way to travel.

Very true.

Behellagh.1468:

I think I see the tracks waaaaay over there —-—->

Nope, the train has left Earth and is headed for the stars.

See You Space Conductor…

Technically the trait revamp isn’t part of the xpac and I’m 99.9% certain the WvW update won’t be either.

Coffietire.2783:

Consider this, this is the first time Arena up right demanded money for content for years and it is the same price as WoW did for its first expansion minus a subscription.

Every single thing ever added to the gem store has needed money to enter the game. Just because the person getting the item didn’t buy the gems doesn’t mean someone else didn’t.

Also, Burning Crusade was $40 at launch. Not $50.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

The only thing of interest might be the glider skin, but somehow I suspect there will be more glider skins later in the gem store. (I also already have the base game but that’s another story).

Ya, I’m gonna say that this is almost a guarantee.

6 months in and we are going to have glider packs in as many silly styles as Mario Kart 8 does with it’s gliders.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Pockets.3201:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Pockets.3201:

Do you really think they want you using personal guilds for storage instead of buying more storage space from the gemshop?

Suggested by Anet:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/jubilee/Token-Wallet-Thank-you-a-net/page/5#post2529629

I am aware. Now they are “fixing” that.

Source? I’d like to see a quote from Anet that states people with personal guild will lose them if they don’t buy the expansion.

I think the implication is that the removal of favor in exchange for a more robust guild missions system means you won’t be able to effectively grind up to a storage level on a personal guild anymore.

You won’t be able to just play the game as usual and slowly build up enough credits to unlock the storage or upgrades.

This may not affect currently made guilds and the new missions may be more friendly to very small groups such that you can get a party together of pugs and do them but, as usual, we are getting this as a third party from a fan/gaming site featuring an interview filled with vague details, so who knows.

Trajan.4953:

I’m wondering if any of the naysayers have ever played an MMO before, or dealt with DLC.

Calm down.

I have. EvE charged nothing for it’s expansions and FF14’s upcoming xpac is only $40 with what looks to be more to play with compared to what we know as facts about HoT’s content.

Sorean.5379:

Of course when the expansion is released they will release a upgrade option for way less than 50$ lol.

Yes, obviously. I don’t suspect we will be seeing $49.99 price tags on GW2: Heart of Thorns copies on the shelf of Target in 2017…

Quintuplebeta.3914:

I think with all the flakk they are getting they will make a slightly discounted version for people who already have the game.

Somehow I doubt it with all the people who’ve already purchased it at this point.

Jski.6180:

Substance E.4852:

Jski.6180:

Substance E.4852:

Jski.6180:

Ashen.2907:

Isn’t $40 – $50 pretty normal for an MMO expansion ?

It is ppl just want it for free.

Nice straw man…

Its not and its kind of silly you bring this up. .

Quote 1 single person in this thread explicitly saying they do not want to pay anything for it and that it should be free.

Any one who wants to use gems to buy it? There a lot more then just this thread and most ppl would buy it with gems or in game gold if they could and comply destroy Anet as a viable business.

A: That’s not a quote implying you are pulling this out of nowhere.
B: Gems are produced by someone, somewhere buying them from Anet with real world money. Letting people pay for this in gems wouldn’t harm Anet one bit.

Jski.6180:

Substance E.4852:

Jski.6180:

Ashen.2907:

Isn’t $40 – $50 pretty normal for an MMO expansion ?

It is ppl just want it for free.

Nice straw man…

Its not and its kind of silly you bring this up. .

Quote 1 single person in this thread explicitly saying they do not want to pay anything for it and that it should be free.

Jski.6180:

Ashen.2907:

Isn’t $40 – $50 pretty normal for an MMO expansion ?

It is ppl just want it for free.

Nice straw man…

Gergrin.6594:

You guys need to READ WHAT YOU ARE BUYING. Those prices INCLUDE a NEW activation key for a BRAND new account. That means with those prices you are not only getting heart of thorns, you are paying for a new account and heart of thorns. They havent released any prices for JUST a Upgrade.

Mouse over the description and it reads “account creation or upgrade”

TakeCare.3182:

How anyone could possibly justify 3k auto attacks from 1500 range is beyond me. With Fire and Air, one auto attack can take out 1/3-1/4 of your total HP. Simply broken.

Yeah, the thief in the video failed to dodge. Maybe he was autorunning, maybe he wasn’t paying attention, maybe he was bad. It doesn’t really matter. The video demonstrates the ridiculous damage one can deal with absolutely no effort from a completely safe distance. Whether you’re on a wall or in a zerg, it’s just not acceptable.

The justification is you live by the glass, you die by the glass.

Full zerk comes with drawbacks equal to the benefits. That called balance.

Duke Blackrose.4981:

I think Burning should be reworked. Stacking is good, but it needs a distinguishing effect.

Maybe it should be the highest damage stacking condition, but perhaps it could be removed on dodge roll.

Too logical. This is a game where I can bleed ice golems and poison zombies.

Killing the pet does indeed stop lick wounds. If the person was swapping pets fast enough to keep reactivating the skill on cooldown, you probably weren’t killing the pet at all.

Sebrent.3625:

For PvE, my guess is either:

• Marksmanship / Skirmishing / Nature Magic
• Marksmanship / Skirmishing / Beastmastery

Klonko is correct. Vulnerability is still capped at 25 stacks. Please read the notes on the changes before commenting on them.

It’s still going to be 6/6/0/0/6 even with the nerfs.

All the pet buffs in BM along with Two Handed overshadow the pet boon sharing trait in NM.

CnaeusDane.2938:

Group play doesn’t mean you have to zerg. And running a group of 10 or 100 it’s still group play. And just because you’re allowed to play that way doesn’t mean it should be encouraged. It takes away from the WvW experience if you can only muster 10 people on your server and there’s 20 people who will wipe you every time. (Extremely simplified)

I play T1 and have seen 20-25 man groups push back and wipe 40-50 man blobs plenty of times. This game mode does indeed promote good skill and positioning.

If you can only muster half their force, muster a good half. If you can’t muster a good half, then you shouldn’t win a pvp mode. Plain and simple.

If you only ever want to fight on equal terms, spvp is right there.

OtakuDFifty.2965:

Just one question:

What is Fiery Charge?

I’m gonna assume they mean Fiery Rush.

Julie Yann.5379:

So, what is the difference between selling someone a spot in your home instance and selling a spot in a dungeon run that makes 1 OK and the other not?

Anet only enforces rules when things allow people to circumvent the gem store?

If selling dungeon spots somehow cut into gem sales you can bet they would crack down on it.

I can only assume key farming got a free pass because the key was meant as a “free taste” for newbies and Anet had no real way of stopping people abusing it.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Oh, believe me, I thought I was playing Ranger 2.0 when I started also, but I tested every weapon set and didn’t stick to the LB purely for the RP value, so I learned early on that the melee sets did more damage and also that you can swap pets strategically so that you can have DPS pets and still keep them alive. I played quite a bit with pets in GW1 and I like this system better, always having one and the utility role they play as well as contributing to our DPS. Check this pic out for a pet DPS build…

I just think that Bearbowers are typically not people who adapt to changing circumstances and ‘roll with the punches’. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE destroying people with LB zerker in WvW, there is just something so satisfying about massive risk for massive reward. Oh, I’ll throw in another screenshot for your pleasure… I was also clueless at one point, yet I adapted It irks me when others do not.

I think I got lucky in that I really wanted to melee ranger it up. I still mostly play a meh, “RP” build in the overworld to this day lol

Also +1 for the rare picture of the largely now extinct “Ranger Shortbow Bear Bot” in it’s natural habitat.

You can toggle of map chat and the block list exists for a reason… =_=

MiniEquine.6014:

The effects of this are I try to use a skill and it takes 3-5 seconds before it actually activates. Sometimes I have to spam the skill to get it to even trigger.

I’m running with 2GB video memory, 8 GB RAM, 3.4 GHz processor, and I typically can get ~20 fps on boss fights with maximum settings. Lowering the graphics settings does not change this.

That’s the server buckling under the weight of so many actions happening in one spot. It’s the reason Keep Lord Room fights in WvW are horrendously lag filled clusterkittens where you will die because your heal won’t activate when you press the key and why even hypothetical space computers from the future get terrible frame rates during Maw.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Tragic Positive.9356:

Bearbows are like a completely different category that refuse to accept any other playstyle, for some reason. Ever.

FTFY

When I see bearbow (in PvE dungeoning), I know for certain that it is a beginner or someone utterly clueless about the class. Not only that, but they will not accept critique or advice on ways to play Ranger more effectively and completely reject any notion of changing to a melee build so they contribute in a far more relevant way. This is just my experience. I don’t mind carrying the odd pug in my regular guild team, we aren’t about speed, but we do like to have some efficiency and it seems that everytime I encounter LB Rangers, they are just totally stubborn about their right to play how they want to. I don’t get why that is.

I think the biggest problem is that so many of us chose Ranger to play the typical archer MMO archetype. I certainly bought the game back when thinking I was getting a GW1 Ranger2.0.

Blasting through pve with your pet meat shielding you all the way until Orr and most content being virtually infallible by the average MMO standards means people get conditioned to think it’s good because you don’t have to min-max to succeed and succeeding means you did well in most games because failing is a real possibility if everything doesn’t go well.

Most content in GW2 is easy to the point that it gets elevated to speed run status in that succeeding isn’t enough and most of us would like to be done in a reasonable amount of time or even expect it to be done as fast as possible.

It’s a big shock to get into a group that then tells you that what you thought was perfectly acceptable and enjoyable is in fact doing it completely wrong. A lot evidently don’t take it well.

I personally would use the LB at “2pro sniper 360noscope” range, but I value being a beneficial member of the team more. Plenty of us do, but the damage has been done and not enough of us do instanced content to defeat the misconception about the class, myself included. (I take enough flak for playing a ranger in WvW -_-)

The only reason I can think of for why we don’t see it in other classes is because people play heavies to play macho GS wielding knights and play thieves as ninjas stabbing stuff to death. Very few probably pick the classes thinking “I’m gonna be a pewpew gun guy!”

Scholar classes probably avoid the problem because they can still cast spells and mage it up even in melee range. Using the LB in melee range on the Ranger is just bad damage and defeats the point of playing an archer archetype.

It doesn’t excuse people from being willfully bad/ignorant, but I can see where people come from with it.