Here come the Asians to teach us our place.
Mega dorks……ftw.
I’m hype.
Btw it’s *hyped…..you anet weird one.
;P
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This is a very interesting discussion. As a non-thief related example, when I play ele in hotjoin spvp I typically run glassy S/D or S/F fresh air, which is not the current meta (celestial D/D or glassy staff). In fact I got in a long conversation with another ele who spent a while convincing how in every way S/D is inferior to D/D ele because the surivability and mobility are lower and that he thinks that D/D strength runes has better sustained damage, mobility, easier to use burst, and better cleave for trying to kitten up stealth. And he is probably right for most of those things, but I don’t really like to do the same thing in pvp as everyone else. I don’t care if scepter is an inferior weapon. I like the idea of being a glassy magical ninja bursting people down with complicated air burst combos, and even if I am hindered by survivability, mobility, crappy autoattacks, and long cooldowns, I don’t care about that meta because I feel really cool playing this way, and I generally do I great job as long as fights aren’t stacked ridiculously against me
That being said the pve meta is a more serious nature, because dungeons/fractals take time, and we don’t want them to take up more time than needed to get the rewards we want.
In your case, it’s kind of like you working as a doctor but being paid the wages of a secondary school teacher. You love being a doctor, you love saving lives, but most people cannot help but feel that they are just wasting more effort for less rewards.
Slight addendum.
Especially when the option to be work as a doctor and be paid as a doctor “should be” is out there.
Not this poster’s case. He admitted himself that his s/d requires more effort and is also at the same time worse than d/d.
Well I admitted that in theory it is worse. In practice it can be better than d/d in some situations. And in the future the scepter skills could be reworked somehow. And anyway in regards to the doctor analogy, I don’t really agree with it because the scepter builds I run are a bit high risk high reward. In theory it’s inferior because it’s easier to kill than d/d and more effort is needed to get those rewards but overall, the nature of burst means I can kill someone much faster rather than wear them down with gradual damage and small amounts of telegraphed burst while out sustaining them.
I hope that makes sense.
SoH thieves can eat celestial d/d eles alive in team fights and solo, if they are skilled enough. A burst ele can deal with those kinds of thieves very quickly. But zerker eles tend to use up all their utilities in the process of trying or actually bursting down said target.
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That’s a tricky subject. Even a 10y standing juggernaut with a very active dev team like WoW (daily twitter / forum interaction, directly answering player questions, giving statistics) cannot balance classes to a community-accepted degree.
From that + all past MMOs, we can so far generalize that classes in MMOs cannot be balanced.
Otherwise it stands to reason that someone would have managed or at least written about how to do it, yet no one has. Not even close.So sure, maybe classes can actually be balanced. But if that is the case, it won’t happen “now” (in the meta sense). Maybe we’re missing tech. Or maybe it’s more likely that if we pick a genre specifically not about being balanced – like, say, RPGs :P – then we won’t see balance.
However, once that is established, it remains to define how balanced is “balanced enough”. If we cannot achieve proper balance, and for now we can assume that it’s impossible, then we need to define a margin of “ok”.
Only problem is, WoW shows admirably well that no matter how small the imbalance, players will always kick out the “rubbish” class. It doesn’t actually matter whether it’ll make a difference or not.
And that is sort-of where GW2 is right now, too. The loss of efficiency from including a non-necro class (see below for those) in your dungeon team is actually negligible, comparing the right kind of imbalance. Say, DAoC. And DAoC is the closest MMO to GW2 in the past, so the comparison seems apt. Why do players make such a big fuss about such a small imbalance? Good question, I suspect the rather good balance of WoW which everyone is used to plays a major part in it, though.I often feel like the vocal minority of GW2 tends to blow things way out of proportions. But then, that’s the MO for every MMO’s vocal community. The game is apparently always close to dying, the devs don’t get their own game, play personal favourites and lack the skills to handle it.
Given that, I have yet to see an indication that the accusations have any merit in GW2. 5-zerker-any-class do dungeons in speed runs perfectly fine. Well, coming back to that necro thing…Necros… are in a bad spot, PvE wise. But this is due to their class speciality in regards to group support, boon/condition control. Which is about never useful in PvE, as mobs die too fast or don’t rely on these enough.
Anet set out to have a game unique to the rest, dropped an unfinished product and poorly prepared for it in multiple aspects. Then they balanced gw2 around it’s pvp in general, one arch type of the game that only has one pvp mode. Conquest, dumbed down version of alliance battles from gw1 that doesn’t take much to actually win within it.
Failed horribly when trying to bring gw2 into the e-sport picture because of class imbalance or the best one “singular pvp mode with pathetic observation tool”.
When you tried to tear down the necro example you actually forgot that it was a scenario. One of many that can easily display ineffectiveness that should not exist. Why bother to bring a necro when you can speed run entire dungeons with classes that can do a better job (we all know which classes do the better job too). This was already typed by the way, but you still seem confused.
Anyways, pve dungeons are pretty much full of the same brainless grinding that anet promised would not be in gw2. So many promises broken that I care not to elaborate upon because you are simply trying to showcase that balance is impossible within gw2.
If it is impossible, whose fault is it?
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