Guild Wars 2

I honestly don’t know who came up with the idea that using MF makes you a leech lol, certain players want to boost their items, others want to provide the most damage possible, others wear gear to increase criticals, others use…. etc. you see my point? It is a part of the game, a valid stat, should I stop taking people that only wear bersekers? Can I conclude that they are selfish because they want to do the most damage that the foe dies before other can tag it efficiently? Can I assume they need to wear it and kill everything asap because they have no survivability or skill to last in battle? Is that what I should assume? kittening and whinging about MF is just ridiculous, if someone wants to use it then let them, chances are if they are a good player they won’t die, if they are a bad player they will die, MF does not change that. If you are pissy because they have a small increase in loot then you need to go play somewhere else.

It warps you to the HoM where you can get some unique weapon/armor skins for your characters, minipets and ranger pets. By playing GW1 you can acquire enough in game points to use them in GW2 but remember they are only skins so you gain no lead over any other players in the game. They just look nice, if you feel they are super nice then I suggest buying GW1 and playing until you can get them, it is a great game but you do not need to.

Here lies Rossiter ~

“Fell for a bet, Fell to his death”

I tried it a few weeks back an the organ was working, I tried a few weeks before that but the organ was not. Perhaps it resets on server reset? I cannot recall if I have got this achievement but I know I have tried for it several times.

SneakyErvin.3056:

IMO they need to add an inspect option that shows a players MF%.

Ok, while you did state IYO, that is fine but I will disagree with you, it will just add tensions between players. Never has this brought people closer together and it always creates arguments between players and stat-obsessed players. A good theory of what will happen is that people will just carry 2 sets of armor, probably the same look and they will let you inspect, head inside the dungeon and 5 mins in just switch over to MF. Why? Because the only way to get a party is by either paying out for whatever the meta happens to be at the time and by lying about it other times. Inspecting gear does not foster community.

The way I see it, if you assume that all 5 members are skilled enough to get through an AC run without getting downed due to knowing the dungeon well and then 1 member decides to run magic find, then he should be kicked because it makes the dungeon a little slower due to the tiniest bit of DPS? Everyone is so obsessed with finishing everything as fast as possible that other members miss out on loot. MF is a valid stat in the game, just because someone does not wear it does not mean they are good, i.e. you run a set of armor with boon duration but your build is for condition damage; but no MF so that makes it much more viable? A bad player is a bad player, MF does not make you selfish, what it does do is weed out “pros” who expect to get the same loot as everyone else or want to get through the dungeon faster and think that others are not entitled to run their own build the way they want.

I can only see one or two reasons not to use magic find, when the team is in real need of some extra stats for something difficult; arah p4 or fractals 40? Mf does not help to make better stuff drop nearly as much as it should.

runeblade.7514:

If I am looking for a level 80 only speedruns, I deserve to know which party members is using MF gear or non-exotic gear that will slow down the runs.

I strongly disagree. No, you don’t! MF gear has a barely noticeable difference, if you play with players that can play well it does not have squat to do what they are wearing, your just an elitist pig. I have been in groups like yours that demand to know what others wear, whine at players because they are not using range or are not speeding through trash, etc. but the fact of the matter it is that type of player who is so concerned with what everybody else is doing that he is sitting there in his twilight/ascended arah on the floor calling everyone noobs because they didnt do something his way and that is why he is dead. Does that sound like your regular run there Jimbo?

Nihevil.8024:

Name calling – Is common
Stating the game is not challenging – Again, common, and I wouldn’t exclude someone from X for wearing X instead of X or even X level.
Already bored of current content or assuming everyone else is – Not just bored, very bored. Wouldn’t disagree on assuming a lot of people are bored of the current content, because I would be pulling my hair out(due to boredom) after doing the same 8 or so factal dungeons for 20+ fractal levels.

I have never seen anyone picky when doing dungeons, if people really wanted to see your gear they would tell you to link it. Most elitists join an elitist guild therefore not having to group with casuals. Runeblade was talking about speedruns, those are usually guild/friend based and not pugs.

Also our community needs to stop using other games and their communities when it comes to these kinds of things, for example those games get armor tiers on a regular basis and content that require that tier of armor which causes a lot of elitism, we do not.

Elitists are unfortunately all too common, does not excuse it nor disprove my reasons for assuming. I could be wrong though, you are speaking coherently, without cussing and with a slow educated response (the direct opposite of an elitist).

Never saw anyone picky? runeblade here is stating how he demands to see others gear and does not take other players along if they don’t have what he expects, you see his posts but maybe you have not seen it in game but trust me, it does happen. Have you ever seen gw2lfg.com? Speed runs are often advertised there as well as “80s only” so you cannot say that is only via guilds/friends.

When you wish to add the same ideas from other games then yeah it is kind of hard to not bring them into the conversation :/ We are not other games so gear inspecting, mounts and whatever WoW may have had that people are asking for probably won’t happen. As for duels, it more than likely will but hopefully they will use the GW1 name of scrimmage.

Genophix.3098:

First of all I have to say, Turial you made me spill my coffee I was laughing so much, one of my favourite posts of all time

Thank you, I aim to please, lol.

Getting back to the actual thread of demanding more PvE content; PvE is really only a third of the game, PvP and WvW count also so they have a lot of work to do in all areas so it can be hard to focus in one area or release content there without releasing content for the other parts also.

There is in PvE; dungeons, dungeon armors, dungeon weapons, legendary weapons, cultural armor, your personal story, jumping puzzles, keg brawl, world completion and numerous achievements to max.

Part of the problem is not the lack of content but the fact so many players are coming from other games like WoW or GW1 and expecting this game to have the exact amount of content as what they are used to. Hate to break it to you but you just came from a game with 7 years of content, you should not expect GW2 to have that much content yet, they are adding stuff little by little and in 7 years time you may never what it is you used to play before GW2, that is what usually happens. I still get nostalgic over the first Age of Empires game but I doubt I would spend more than an hour on it if I did reinstall it. Do any of you even remember how much content was there in the early days of GW1? It was a year before they released factions, other than that it was just holiday updates.

runeblade.7514:

Wrong, I was able to level all my characters from level 35-80 just by doing dungeon runs and I was able to join a group just fine. Even during times when people discriminate levels already.

So you mean you were at a lower level, you didn’t have full exotics or Twilight on your characters and they still let you in? Oh boy, what a shame if they were to, I dunno, exclude you for having a lowbie or non-max gear. Shame on them for assuming you were a noob based on your gear, shame on them!

Nihevil.8024:

Turial.1293:

Nihevil.8024:

Stop being babies, elitism is not as big in this game as other games nor will it be if armor previewing was added. Why? Because the content is not challenging at all.

sniff I think I smell…..

Nihevil.8024:

domxnik.1453:

I’m pretty sure there is some elitism in this game, as there is in every other game out there. If this is added, there is a high chance more elitism will come with it. There is no reason for this.

Never said there wasent any elitism. No, there is not a high chance more elitism will come, this game is super casual there is no need to worry about if someone is wearing blues or exotics. Fractals on the other hand, wait do people even do fractals anymore?

…. Yup! It’s Elitism. -_-

Please elaborate on your assumption that i’m an elitist.

Sure thing
name calling – check
stating game is not challenging – check
already bored of current content or assuming everyone else is – check

Those are my reasons, a bit more detail; because a lot of players do not want a gear checker because it will increase elitism you say they are babies, gear checker always brings elitism and you assume it won’t, the game may be casual at times but when it comes to dungeons people are very picky at times also, as you can see from posts by runeblade here, if you are not wearing the best stuff he will not take you on his run so it does matter and will affect players, finally, if there is less people playing fractals it is because they were left behind and are not 20,30,40+ fractal level, you might be done with fractals but many people are not.

You can understand my assumption now

EliteZ.1682:

Turial.1293:

Can I assume you are against Cultural Armor then?

“Sorry you can’t wear certain armor in this game just because you don’t like playing Asura”.

Can I assume that you know the different between a set of armor that every class has access to one for their race and content that would take too long to add 5 differnent versions for each of the classes.

Can I also assume that you know the difference between saying “You can’t wear that armor beacsue it isn’t for your class” and “Sorry, but you can’t run that new dungeon we’ve spent months creating, because you’re one of the 4 classes that have no possible way of getting into”.

Professions can only wear light, medium or heavy armor, if they are not the right class then they are locked out of it. Your point on this subject is very clear, your against race specific dungeons, other than that I assume you must be lazy to not want added content, please use spellcheck before posting also, it wounds me.

You have said your part, move on.

uknortherner.2670:

Reystar.8703:

Yes because some things, are pretty obvious….it’s a fact..

No, that’s your opinion – A million miles away from a fact.

Also, at least provide a source for your copypaste:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1143885-An-Actual-PvE-Endgame-Reality-Check

That user comment was written in June 2012. A lot has changed since then.

Let me first just say haha, BURN!!

I will assume by fanboy you meant me because I responded in a civilised and logical manner, I hate to hand it to you Reystar but are you ever right? I have been disappointed with a lot of in game features of this game, does not stop me enjoying playing it but, because I disagree with you does not make me a fanboy. You made countless references over he next few posts to other MMOs, most notably WoW and since mounts are a key piece of WoW I will assume you were a huge WoW fan, played it to death, got bored of it and now want GW2 to have the functions of the game you liked.

Think of GW2 as a girlfriend; don’t try to change her, she is who she is and if she changes it will be on her terms, if you can’t accept her for who she is then move on to a new one or back to your ex.

If you are not enjoying yourself with the current content then don’t play, it really is that simple. Everybody else is putting in hours the same as you but they are not bored yet, as someone above said, come back when it has content you want to play.

Side Note: I’m gonna make you my pet and call you “Reystar the Attention-Deficit Demon”

runeblade.7514:

Then let those undergeared players play with groups that don’t give a kitten about whatever gear they are using.

I am blocking them from my group only, so I don’t have to suffer kittenty runs.

Well, Master of Everything, that is your name right? How is it up there at the top when all us lowly noobs have nobody like you to help us leech, I am sure it must get pretty lonely up there being so skilled and all.

You are not the only elitist kitten in the game, it is already very prevalent. You say they are only kicked from your run, but they are also kicked by every kitten with a stick up his kitten because they are not wearing full Arah before joining you for a crappy AC run -_-

If you want to only ever run with experienced elitists then by all means join one of those guilds, add them to your list and only play with them, it solve both our problems, you will never have to pug and we will never have the displeasure of playing with you.

Chantry was always in there from the start as a needed PoI, I was unaware of the unclaimed bonus holding back your progress, good to know.

Ewwww don’t talk to me about that hideous thing lol, nothing in the personal story matters in the least, not anything. I has said before on the subject that the most interesting part of the PS is the first 20-30 levels since it is about you and your race and even that is not that brilliant.

More content?

August/September – Game Release
October – Halloween
November – Lost Shores
December – Wintersday
January – Upcoming fractals update

It has content, it is adding content, just because you are bored does not mean everyone is done with everything. Not all players play 12 hours a day.

- More dungeons give it time
- Dungeons with bigger groups wvw has big groups, zerg train dungeons will be terrible and boring
- Fix the God kitten bugs that still exist everywhere i totally agree with this but give it time too
- Better rewarding system since the current one is just for laughs rewards for what? and check the blog post from 2 days ago where it is bringing in new rewards
- More tier amors, give people something to progress in PvE ascended will be the only tier they will add, it has been stated, stats are fine and even if you did do content that was lvl100 and needed a +200 boost on all your stats the chances are you would probably be scaled down anyway, the game is about skill not stats
- Maybe mounts (kinda a controversial matter) definitely not, that is what speed boosts are for
- Faster patch updates !! that is your computer mate, my initial load upon release was gonna take an estimated 15-18 hours, after stopping it, upgrading pc, it was done in just over an hour

One of the points of WvW is to get points to give PvE players a buff, do you play WvW 24/7? If you don’t want others to have a boost try PvP instead.

Well considering that he cannot see your chat, I cannot imagine a use for walking into the enemy base. Did nobody try to kill him?

I do believe Squall has your answer, the reset was last night or the night before.

Hi guys, don’t forget about Bloodtide Coast, the Chamber of Secrets is there…. Uhhh Order of Whispers I mean :P that single PoI does not show but it does count for World Exploration

Can I assume you are against Cultural Armor then?

“Sorry you can’t wear certain armor in this game just because you don’t like playing Asura”.

EliteZ.1682:

So you’re saying that Anet need to spend more time on bug fixing, but at the same time say it wouldn’t matter holding back bug fixes to release something like this. Anet are working on bug fixes and we will see alot of issues resolved within the next couple of months, bugs are not always a days work to fix.

Nor should it 3 months to fix small glitches, incorrect text/icons or map exploits. Your second paragraph is the only meaningful part of your post, something that can actually be discussed. The whole point is to reward players who take the time to explore the game by making other races and not make one character and farm forever. If the dungeon reward was only armor for that race then it would not do anything for you anyway, I see NO downside to having content for players who took the time to level more than one character.

On a side note, do you disagree with every post I have on this forum or are you just being a kitten?

TheKillerAngel.3596:

Maybe some lodestone prices would fall, but they Charged lodestones are trading at nearly 4g, I don’t think anyone would really complain.

No, except for the people with hundreds of them on the TP trying to sell them, if the price dropped due to increased loot, they would cry…. a lot.

Nihevil.8024:

Stop being babies, elitism is not as big in this game as other games nor will it be if armor previewing was added. Why? Because the content is not challenging at all.

sniff I think I smell…..

Nihevil.8024:

domxnik.1453:

I’m pretty sure there is some elitism in this game, as there is in every other game out there. If this is added, there is a high chance more elitism will come with it. There is no reason for this.

Never said there wasent any elitism. No, there is not a high chance more elitism will come, this game is super casual there is no need to worry about if someone is wearing blues or exotics. Fractals on the other hand, wait do people even do fractals anymore?

…. Yup! It’s Elitism. -_-

Balderstrom.5809:

Why not just let us indicate we are AFK ::
Alt+A : Sets a string after your name in Red
Balderstrom [AFK]

The AFK notifier is cleared when you press a key, or move (mouse), and no one is ABLE to revive/res you while you are AFK.

This seems to be the best idea so far, as for worrying how it is abused, just make it optionable and PvE only, that solves it. If it is a choice, it affects nobody else.

You missed the point, I was not asking for this to be implemented and a full large dungeon would not even be needed, this is for players who own more than one race, who take the time to experience more of the game, a small dungeon based just for their race would be a nice little reward. As for wasting resources, they do that good enough as it is by not spending time bug fixing.

Mobs, perhaps, if they all dropped 50c each or so (and even that is not true), this guy stated monsters. Coin is not hard to make but that is not the point here and he is going off topic.

DeadlyDohnut.7052:

…and 1-2 silver is nothing in this game..its like finding a nickel on the ground…

seriously u can kill 1 or 2 monsters in 15 secs and make your money right back in the game… you seriously need to clear your head if your going to be a gamer. learn how the money system works in the game before u complain about loss of money…

Trash mobs drop that much coin now do they? A wise man once said “learn how the money system works in the game before u complain about loss of money…”

No! for inspecting, even the option to toggle won’t matter as these type of players will still insist on not letting you join unless you show your armor “LFG AC – Show armor or get kicked” I think the better option would be that if it is limited to name of armor and previewing it on you, that should be it IF they ever add it.

LOVE the first idea, a great start to a dungeon, then perhaps you need to go through lower caves to save kids or the ale lol, come back out and smash the foes.

Not so keen on the second part :P

I always find it so funny when out there in the wide world you sometimes end up with a group full of Asurans or perhaps you are out with your guild and they are just having fun so decide they want a Charr dance group outside CoF. Wouldn’t it be nice if we had some dungeons that are race specific, just for a new tweak of gameplay I know that a lot of people would hate this idea because they hate playing Asura or only play human characters, well this would be a reward to the players who want to experience all aspects of the game, the dungeon could come with tokens and armor but only race-specific to the dungeon. The new writers (fingers crossed all original writers have been fired) could then really get into their favourite race and put some really interesting dialogue there. My last suggestion on it would be that the dungeons be available in the cities of their race, i.e. The Grove has access to the Sylvari dungeon.

Would love some feedback from both devs and players. Keep it clean

TJV.6239:

Both of my points still stand. Find a safe place or go offline. Afk in a dangerous area is stupid regardless of situation. You always have enough time to log out.

Neither of your points stand, mainly because of your attitude about it.

It would be nice if you had a WP invincibility after you move there that lasts until you actually take an action with your character but this may not be viable when certain WPs are always under attack. I think the “Revive Now” option is a great idea and it surely would help but I would hope that it would not be used in a way by players to somehow skip mobs or anything.

Firebird Gomer.9563:

Im sorry but some of you people really don’t get having kids at all…. and I think some of you should NEVER have any to make the world a better place…….

Answer these in a way that allows you to close the game down in a hurry…. A child walks into the room carrying a snake thats getting a little upset at being carried…. what should I do close my game down or run for my kid…..

A kid walks up a hallway and starts to throw up….. Close the game or get to the kid….

Now for those who can’t answer these correctly please go apologise to your parents….. You must have caused them great grief

LOL love the snake one I am sure the people arguing against this don’t have kids and probably can apologise to their parents because chances are they are still living with them.

The problem is a LOT of JPs are so bloody easy that they would be farmed constantly and prices of things would plummet. I would be one of these players that is good at JPs, even with a charr and if I was getting a lodestone per chest then I would hit every JP every day with all my characters. As a player that also “enjoys” the JPs (yes they exist lol) I understand the frustration of taking the time to do a puzzle and getting a single crappy blue sometimes.

It would be nice though if they made some of the more frustrating puzzles contain more considering the crap you have to go through.

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

Oh and:

These are the 5 most recent LFM posts on gw2lfg.com

I smell bullkitten

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

I checked within 5 minutes of your post, and some of the ones I listed were 10 minutes or older.

So which is it?

Yeah OP, your best bet is to start your own group and state you intend to kill, you would be surprised how fast it fills. I also agree with Wethospu.6437, “experienced” pugs are usually 9 times out of 10 the worst possible pugs you will ever experience, 6/10 for clearing the dungeon but the amount of whining and kittening and arguing just makes you want to impale yourself on your own weapon after a single path.

Yes you will get boosted to 80, just expect to die a bit more and the fact that most players are experienced in fractals that it will be hard to find a group that doesn’t just rush off at the start. As for level 2, I have done it lol, the problem is lack of skills and a weapon change depending on your class. You might only have 2 or 3 actual attacks unlocked also, you won’t gain xp any faster than you would in regular PvE but you would net your monthly, providing you finish of course.

ilovemagdab.9724:

Back when Arah Dungeon you can skip the mobs and jump through the rock to get to the boss faster my friend got kicked out of the party just because she couldn’t jump over the rock to go kill boss faster that’s just a really sad excuse to kick a player out. Skipping is starting to get over rated and those people who rage at you because you refuse to do it especially in FOTM they will rage at you if you don’t get in the glitch spot to avoid boss attacks or run pass through all the mobs to get to jade maw sad part is if you die running there the mobs still be there to kill you and you can’t rally back and the whole team either just end up wiping or just going on with out you.

And this is what is wrong with the game; the exploits are not getting fixed so players expect everyone to be able to speed their way through first time and mobs are not friendly to a player who gets left behind (they bunch up because they are trash mobs with no loot and were skipped the whole way along)

Conner.4702:

@Turial.1293 when you condone exploiting it makes you just as bad as those that does it. You made your stance clear by saying the developers are at fault at the heart of it.

Not at all, I made my stance clear when I said that I don’t exploit and if it comes to be 4 party members on the stairs then yeah I will follow for my tokens at the end of the day. The boss takes literally the same amount of time to melee as he does from the stairs so as far as I can see there is no shortcut here, just a risk removal. Also, if your party can make it to the boss then there is obviously no problem in killing it, the party has probably just done it already more times than they can count. Players will be lazy just the same amount of time that the developers will be. I don’t blindly follow or trust Anet since GW2 has been a let down in many areas, you seem to think they have nothing to do on their part? You are wrong I am afraid to say. If they cared, it should be fixed ASAP, not every 3 months. I would be happier if they just fixed the bugs in the game instead of new content.

When you condone long lasting glitches/bugs and lazy devs you are as bad as those that do it. You made your stance clear by saying players are at fault at the heart of it.

Mister Mustard.7203:

I’ll never understand why people will literally spend 5 minutes running around to skip a pack of mobs that takes 30 seconds to kill. I’d wager I’ve spent 4 times as long in my MMO career recovering from a skip-gone-wrong than I have just killing the mobs.

Plus, I play to play, not to skip as much as I can to chase the carrot.

I whole-heartedly agree with you but the problem is not the skipping itself, your numbers are off; the problem is that skipping trash (no loot) mobs is better because they take literally 5 mins to kill when they should take 30 seconds to kill. I tend to avoid these rush/speedclear groups as best as I can.

I have to admit, the non guesting over continents really does scream division of communities, if we are able to transfer accounts over there then I don’t see why we may not guest there too?

One other issue that may come up is node farming. Just out of interest for the people that actually do this, when they whip up all the Ori in their home world can they then guest to another and farm there too? Will this triple players income of materials?

A new bag space will cost you 400 gems but is a waste since you still need to equip a bag and it is only one 1 character. Next up is a bank slot for 600, this is your best choice as it is account bound. Finally your extra character slot for 800, if you do not have 1 of each char then I would go for this, you get 5 bag slots instantly which you can put money in through playing to be 20 slots each so this provides you with the most slots, it does however mean you have 1 more alt to search through for items.

My personal preference would be a bank tab

David.4821:

All I see is a bunch of QQ’in here. It’s two groups of people, more gold and I want to kill everything and spend an hour each path. Personally IMO, the dungeon is fine as is, why force your playing style onto us. The way I see it is, I just run dungeons for tokens so I will skip all I can, boohoo, I miss out on 50s, I’ll make that in the TP in a matter of a few flips. The problem here is the amount of skippers have the upper hand and the others can’t find parties. It’s like the argument on abortion, it’s impossible to fix because there will always be issues if you choose one side over another. Why not increase the loot table and drop rate, lower the hp and maybe add some sort of token. Skippers will skip and it will get up to a point where you stop all the skipping and the skippers will just do other stuff, thus, less people want to do dungeons. I’m already bored of dungeons and just roam around every dungeon trying to find exploits.

Hahaha, just WOW!!! AC runs is now almost the same as abortion? Just to clarify since you did not read more than 1 post before typing many people have suggested, myself included, that the mob counter be an optional measure for those players who want to kill more to make money. Since it would be a choice to do it then you can continue to run your little speed clears and cry when a player wants to actually do a dungeon correctly. As for abortion lol, it is the womans body, there is no other argument and if you think it is not their choice then there is something wrong with you. What a post… omg!

RedStar.4218:

How hard is it for players to understand that they are exploiting a bug ? A monsters which cannot hit you because you are out of range or standing somewhere it can’t hit you will turn invulnerable. This boss doesn’t.
Don’t turn this into “I’m using the terrain as a tactical advantage”. If you want to do that, use pillars and walls to hide from his attacks (or you know, stand near him to easily dodge his scream, even if you are a ranged character). What you are doing is abusing a bugged mechanic.

Turial.1293:

Mountain in CM, obvious exploit and an oversight by the devs, cuts off up to 30 mins of the run and skips bosses, mobs and loot.

I don’t know which mountain exploit you are talking about (players keep finding new places to jump) but I’m pretty sure that none of them saved you up to 30 minutes…unless your team was exceptionally bad. The part players exploit is when you have to either jump on the ramp (P3)/hug the wall (P1), kill 4 silver bandits for a chest, kill 2 silver bandits, a bunch of trash with one or 2 silver, and run to the boss. That’s hardly 30 minutes.

Seriously, what is wrong with this over-sensitive community and arguing about bloody semantics? 30 minutes, 3 minutes, 3 billion minutes, who gives a crap? The point I am making is that it cuts off a far bit more time than skipping a few mobs in TA.

JEEZ!!

Conner.4702:

Sorry but that’s a load of baloney. It’s not on the developers heads if you choose to exploit. Take responsibility for your own actions. A set of armor is each path 7 times. That is hardly a lot and far from getting bored from it already.
Also that quote was about skipping mobs and not exploiting.

Ha ha, based on your reaction to comments in here and another thread you seem to believe I am an exploiter purely because I disagree with you. I don’t exploit, I prefer to play dungeons the way they were intended but still I will skip trash mobs at the end of the day, I have killed them, there is no reward there so why bother. As for the stairs glitch, I would prefer to fight the bosses, as said above, they are faceroll easy but when 4 out 5 party members are wanding him to death, what should I do? Leave to show them exploiting is wrong and miss out on tokens, stay in agro range and die? Chances are you follow where the team goes unless you want to suffer repair costs.

“Why not look for a team not using stairs then?” Glad you asked Conner, more than half of AC runs consist of stair users and at the end of the day I am there for tokens and coins, I don’t care if mobs are skipped or people use the stairs. It is not a huge cut off for time if they do. This glitch has been around since release and still has not been fixed, now almost every player knows of it and almost every player will use it. The problem with the whole situation is that instead of spending time on the forums merging and modding posts there could be real work done in fixing things that are broken in the game.

Hopefully you were not sitting on the Island for 12 hours So assuming you have killed the Risen boss at the bottom of the ship on the island, I hope you made sure all 3 NPCs ran off the island to the west and disappeared in the water. Perhaps only 2 of 3 escaped?

Taking from the wiki;
If they stay on the island, however, the same aforementioned event will repeat itself shortly afterwards, thus not starting the meta event.

Then if I were you I would leave the island and wait by the keep to the east, after my group got all 3 NPCs clear and they disappeared in the water we waited by the keep, it took about 15-20 mins but the event did spawn, we just took turns and checked every few mins while running around the map. Try it again, hopefully it is not bugged as it is kind of annoying to get this one going.

Are you making sure that you are waiting until the other charr leaves to get more cows? You cannot enter the machine until a few seconds after he leaves. If he returns it is locked again.

Sure legendaries cost a lot but adding in one more way to get precursors is a better idea than changing the system all over, the problem is that it is just random chance and people do not like that. If they changed the system you know for sure people will complain, adding an extra way to get it just provides for another portion of players. Then you have a choice of your extremely low chance at the forge, your extremely low low chance of getting it from chests and your low low low LOW chance of getting it off a random mob, but now, you ALSO have a chance of farming up a crazy amount of karma to be “guaranteed” a precursor. The time and effort is still there

Conner.4702:

When people are sick of running them than they should stop running them. Being tired of a dungeon is not an excuse to bypass game mechanics, which IS exploiting. It is not a tactical advantage when the target just stands there due to a coding oversight. It also is on the heads of the players and not the devs. It is called having ethics and simply not cheat.

When people have to farm a dungeon 30-35 times just to make a set of armor or in the case of AC, farm to make money, as it is currently one of the best areas of monetary value at minimum effort then it is safe to assume they are tired of the content. The dungeons currently have no changes, they are the same thing from point A to point B and when you do that 30-35 times and find you can skip a mob or three due to agro range or getting into a room where they cant follow then no it is not really cheating. It is boredom, because the loot is that bad there is no reason to waste time killing everything just because it is the way it was originally designed. There is no reward for players that way, aside from keeping yourself happy I suppose.

If I had a choice of walking through a hallway full of silvers with little to no loot to get to the boss or jump in the water, swim under the bridge and climb out the other side scott-free I would take the jump every time. I would not care about keeping players of the group or devs happy because it is the right thing to do, I might try it once or twice but it would be on the devs head to take note of it and provide a work around; can you fire mortars to clear bridge but with no loot, do you fight the silvers but with increased loot drops, do they remove the water to stop it altogether? The post above this about there being a time limit on ethics is a very smart post indeed, if this “exploit” with the stairs was fixed within a day or two of being known then we wouldn’t be having this discussion but unfortunately the longer they don’t bother to actually do their job and fix it the longer they are saying it is ok to players. That is just my two cents.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

It’s one of those human things to do something with the path of least resistance and danger, especially when there is a reward at the end. I could make enemies never drop their aggro on players and force them to fight every single mob, but I don’t see that as a viable solution right now.
I think the better solution is to look at why people are skipping things, and approach from a different angle. Trash mobs have too much HP, and can’t be counted on for lucrative drops from a Risk/Time vs Reward, so people interested in making money (most groups) aren’t incentivized to do it, whereas the end chest/boss are more guaranteed and accountable returns on time and risk. I also think there is something to be said about interesting trash mob mechanics making them more enjoyable of a fight.

Stairs on AC, tactical advantage and an oversight by the devs, cuts off maybe 5 mins of your run and saves the chance of someone accidently dying.

Mountain in CM, obvious exploit and an oversight by the devs, cuts off up to 30 mins of the run and skips bosses, mobs and loot.

P3 Arah, questionable exploit, FIXED and oversight by the devs, cuts off several revivals and maybe 5 mins of the run.

My point here is tactical advantage should be allowed when it does not skip huge portions or bosses. People that have been running AC for 3 months every day are sick of putting in effort for a boss that could be done afk, that is not their fault. People that skip a mountain in CM are lazy and would favour the “I win” button so yes, something should be done about that. For the people that do Arah, I honestly don’t blame them for looking for cheap ways to get through mobs and mobs and mobs of silvers for no reason, who wants to spend 3+ hours in a dungeon making crap loot?

The exploits/tactics used by players are not their problem, devs released the game with these issues, it is their job to fix them. I don’t put short dungeon runs down to player laziness but to dev laziness. After 3 months of doing the same paths over and over you would easily take the easy path because in those 3 months the devs have still not fixed it.

DancingPenguins.9875:

Take AC, for example. Skip to the final packs of geckos and farm them and the boss. Nothing has changed.

Did GW1 not reward loot to anything that was killed twice such as the bugs outside Doomlore? You could easily make anything summoned not count towards the counter I mentioned above, i.e. Lupicus’ grubs don’t count as he continually spawns them.

Erebus.7568:

i really think its about time that ANET stood up, pulled the finger out of their behind and said:
" EXPLOITING WILL RESULTS IN PERMANENT BANS!!!" and once for all stopped this extreme abuse of buggy mechanics and started a system where people would actually finish the dungeons as they where intended instead.

OR… Or, or…. get this, they could release bug fixes once a week instead of every 3 months once everybody has learned the exploit. I get what your saying, I prefer to kill everything and never exploit but the fault is on the devs who create these dungeons. Shortest route of least possible resistance is always how a gamers mind works, it is hard to change that; but people “pulling their finger out” and doing their job, well that can be changed.

Also, what if there is 2 people kittening up your group? A 4v1 vote won’t work because their friend will just keep hitting decline, 3v2 makes sense and it is a majority vote rather than 2 friends who just decided to kick any member to take the group or make someone miss out on dungeon rewards because it is funny.